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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Steven Greenhouse: Why We're Working More and Earning Less

By Juan Gonzalez, Democracy Now!. Posted July 30, 2008.


Wages are stagnating, but productivity keeps going up. Author Steven Greenhouse explains why things are out of whack in the workplace.
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Juan Gonzalez: The federal minimum wage increased last week from $5.85 to $6.55. The increase gave nearly two million American workers a raise. The seventy-cent increase is the second of three enacted under a 2007 law that saw the first minimum wage hike in more than a decade.

But, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage remains lower in real terms than it was forty years ago, despite record corporate profits.

A new book by the New York Times labor reporter Steven Greenhouse examines how much of the American workforce is working more but earning less. Wages have stagnated, health and pension benefits have grown stingier, and job security has shriveled. The book is titled The Big Squeeze: Tough Times for the American Worker.

Steven Greenhouse joins Democracy Now! You've traveled all around America, obviously, as a labor reporter for the New York Times, and you take us into all kinds -- not just to factories, but the Silicon Valley jobs, the service jobs, to give us a sense of what is happening to the everyday worker.

Steven Greenhouse: We all love Barbara Ehrenreich's book Nickel and Dimed, and I felt, I'm going to try building on that. And I really try looking across the board what's happening to the nation's workers. I look at, you know, farm workers. I look at Microsoft workers. I look at, you know, factory workers, whose jobs are disappearing to Mexico. And I look at, you know, software engineers at Hewlett-Packard, at some other places, you know, that have lost their jobs to India. I look at janitors in Houston who -- I focus on one janitor in Houston, who, after ten years, is making just $5.25 an hour. I write about a Dominican worker in Brooklyn who works eleven hours a day for just $35 a day. You know, the whole panoply of what's happening, to show that there's this big squeeze on the nation's workers, where, as you were just saying, wages have been flat, health and pension benefits are getting worse, at the same time corporate profits have gone up very, very nicely. Employee productivity has gone up 15, 20 percent, yet wages have been flat, plus companies are pressuring workers, you know, to work harder and harder.

Gonzalez: The health insurance situation, I think you had a starting story about one worker, a security guard, who had caught many shoplifters at his store. He hurts himself in the process of capturing one of them or arresting one of them and then ends up being fired, because now he requires medical treatment that his employers don't want to give him. The impact of the health insurance crisis on America's workers?

Greenhouse: I write about this worker, Mike Michell, who works as security guard for a Wal-Mart in Texas, and he was a great security guard. He caught 180 shoplifters over a two-year period. One day, he runs out into the parking lot to chase after someone who's using stolen checks. The woman's accomplice floors the accelerator, hits Mike, you know, messes up his back, breaks his kneecap. You know, Mike asks for a few weeks off, because he needs surgery on his knee. He applies for workers' comp, and boom, he's fired. And this shows how companies sometimes retaliate against people who file for workers' comp.

And that's part of a broader health crisis in the nation, where, since the year 2000, even though we've had pretty good economic times until the last few months, nine million more Americans are out of work than was the case in 2000. So now, almost 50 million Americans, nearly one-sixth of the workforce, is uninsured. And you think how crazy that is, in ways. You know, we're the world's wealthiest nation, yet one-in-six workers are out of work.

And another, you know, health statistic that surprised me when I was researching the book was, United States spends about $6,500 per person for health coverage, which is more than twice what France and Germany spent, about two-and-a-half times what Japan spent, yet, you know, they have universal health coverage. They have longer life spans than Americans. Yet, you know, we spend twice as much, and one-in-six people are uninsured. So something is badly broken in the health system.

Gonzalez: Now, given the record corporate profits that we've seen and the relative prosperity of so many American companies over recent decades, why do we have this continuing spiral downward, in terms of the living standard of the average worker?


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That's something the gun toter in Knoxville should have thought about.
Posted by: jwverez on Jul 30, 2008 12:45 AM   
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Instead, people like him blame the liberals when in fact it was 28 years of piling conservative polices that lead up to this shit. Too bad the voters are going to have to pick between twiddle dee and twiddle dum come November. This country has sadly become economically and socially DYSFUNCTIONAL !

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"You Know"
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 30, 2008 1:10 AM   
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You know, ______________, you know, __________, you know_______.
I might have a higher opinion of the interviewee and his book if he, like, you know, spoke proper English.

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» RE: "You Know" Posted by: leafsong1
You know...
Posted by: Ms. DuFontagne on Jul 30, 2008 7:51 AM   
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People do a lot of vocalized pausing and punctuating when speaking. I don't understand why Alternet thinks they have to include every "uh," "like," and "you know" in the transcription of an interview. It's not necessary and makes the interview very hard to read.

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» RE: You know... Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
The point being....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 30, 2008 8:51 AM   
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While I was a little dismayed to read the er, uh, Ah's, the point is real people have not prospered nor will they in the future. As Americans we bought into the "indivual" cowboy b.s. that has been overly hyped! In the meantime the welfare state has been enacted for the rich! I think it's time for welfare reform for the rich and corporate elite!

I believe that we have allowed ourselves to be polarized by those "cultural issues" (GOD, gays, abortion, etc.) that really are individual choices. If you don't believe in abortion than don't have one - but until you start taking care of the children that are here already - don't make the choice for everyone else! Remember until you have walked in the shoes of another you have no right to judge their actions.

I do believe there are "social justice" issues around which we all can coalesce: universal healthcare, quality education for all, living wages, quality infrastructure: roads, bridges, etc., environmental justice.

I think it is high time that welfare reform for the gilded lilies and corporations comes to an end! I think the pay to play in Washington D.C. should be killed. I think it's time that we start protecting the "90%" of the population that lives by the rules the rich and spoiled feel they don't have to!!

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Bush's Voodoo Economics
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 30, 2008 8:58 AM   
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Wall Street is expressing concerns about a possible recession or even a depression. All these prognosticators of gloom and doom have not fully understood the effectiveness of the Bush Administrations clever economic policies which are based on Friedman’s economic magic.

By involving the United States in two wars at the same time spending over two trillion dollars, Bush has applied the tried and true formula of war to stimulate the economy. If World War II rescued the country from two the depression of the thirties, think about the effect of two wars. Naturally Bush’s extensive knowledge of history was a major factor in implementing this policy.

On the one hand, economists postulate different theories about stimulating growth, but on the other hand, tax cuts seems to be the solution of choice given certain conditions. Having researched the various options, Bush chose to implement huge tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy. The genius in this solution is that even though only the top one percent of the population benefits, they are the big spenders whose extravagant consumption will spur growth ensuring that consumption remains at satisfactory levels.

Since Friedman, Hayek and the Chicago School of Economics has become the latest fad in sound economic management, it has become an axiom that the private sector is the key to long-term stability. To strengthen the private sector at the expense of the inefficient, wasteful government agencies and departments, President Bush has infused large corporations with billions of dollars, based on no-bid contracts, for the reconstruction of Iraq. Although reconstruction projects are either permanently unfinished or non-existent, the end result is that companies such as Halliburton and Bechtel have benefited in a major way. Bush has achieved the goal of free-market economics by not interfering with an inefficient bidding process or burdensome regulations.

Bush demonstrated his insight into complex economic principles by creating a huge budget and trade deficit and the largest current accounts deficit in the world. These policies have forced countries such as China to invest heavily in the U.S. every day. Who says you have to go to war to defeat your enemy?

All of these policies have lived up to the economic philosophy of the Chicago School of Economics which has built a reputation over many years of successfully ramming free-markets and privatization down the throats of countries that were fortunate enough to be targeted by the United States. Just ask Jeffrey Sachs. Bush clearly deserved more than the “C” when he was a student of Yale. I will bet that his history professors are scratching their heads now.

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» RE: Bush's Voodoo Economics Posted by: Spiritgirl
64 youknows - must be a record.
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Jul 30, 2008 9:44 AM   
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This is why we have less money...Thanks republicans
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jul 30, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Middle Class died when Nixon got elected!!! Now it's become 'middle income', which is an even bigger farce! Why do I say that? Let me run it down to you.
This comes straight form the govt's own figuring. Say you live in a place like Appleton Wisconsin,pop. 69.000+. What Uncle Pissy Pants calls 'Medium Level LOW INCOME for this area is 42,000/yr. Yes, $42,000/yr. That's with a family with 2 children, if it's just you and your mate, $ 36,000 per year.
So the TOP 1% of LOW INCOME with a family would be $125,000/yr or approximatly $85,000/yr. for a couple. Now remember this is LOW INCOME for a town 60,000+
If you live in NYC,LA, of any other BIG city it's $ 53,000, $44,000 and $ 145,000 respectivly, all LOW INCOME for those areas.
Now think about this.....70% of Americans are LOW INCOME. This is unthinkable in a country that used to pride itself on the opinion that a person who had a family of 5,working a 40 hour week,making $35,000/yr, could own a house,have a good car and a vacation spot, pay all the household bills and keep the kids in the latest of things without being 'showy'. I don't know anyone making $35,000/yr. with three kids that has that kind of ability today.
According to the feds, MID-LEVEL MIDDLE INCOME, 350,000/YR!!!!! That's barely good enough to get you an efficency appt. to 'own', as a fixer-upper, that costs $500,000 in the Big City. This is also unthinkable.
For 70% of us the cost of Living is almost unbearable. They don't factor in food and gas when they tell us 'prices have gone up only slightly'. They don't tell us the 100% utility increase was due to the fines the Power Company had to pay for over pollution fines. Try asking your boss for a 100% raise the next time you've got a ticket to pay.
70% of us are having the money sucked out of our wallets faster than a hoover in overdrive. 70% of us are still waiting for the light to even flicker in the tunnel or even see the 'end' we're supposed to meet. We're the people that need the most from any sort od governance,NOT the Coperations or Upper Middle Income and Upper Income People. They hoard the wealth of the Nation on the backs of the LOWER INCOME.
70% of us have the absolute power to change the way the system works!
70% of us can be the change we want to see in the world. There's one small hangup though. 70% of don't have the money. That's true. That's why there needs to be an Executive Order written that relieves all taxes on the Low Income. Think of what you could do with NO TAXES ON LOW INCOMES AND GREATLY REDUCED TAXES ON TRUE MIDDLE INCOME AND 91% TAX ON THE WEALTHIEST INCOMES AND BUSINESSES.
Then we stop the second drain on your monies,compound interest rates.
The banks steal your money for doing nothing. The house you own will cost three times as much in 'interest payments' as you paid for it. You are being robbed buy the banks! They should only be allowed to charge a 'Flat Rate Interest' no matter how long you had to pay it off.
70% of us can make these things happen. 70% of us can build a better society. 70% of us can bring Peace to the World.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez, It's the only vote that counts!!!

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You know, I'm all, uh, like...
Posted by: DavidGeorge on Jul 30, 2008 11:07 AM   
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You know, I've, like, been, you know, told I'm, uh like, a speaker with, you know, great, like, idea's and I, like uh, get them across with, like, a terse economy of, you know, language. Follow?

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well
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 AM   
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It took around 200 years of industrialism before there was any actual benefit for the workers at the bottom of the ladder. Why are you working more and making less? Because those in charge of our economy.. or should I say THEIR economy.. want to work less and make more.

Where have all the profits gone? What about all that extra productivity that computers brought about? Why are our benefits going out the window? All one has to do is look at the pay for executives and the dividends for shareholders and how much they have increased to know EXACTLY where the money has all gone.

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Congressmen and Senators out of touch
Posted by: cyr3n on Jul 30, 2008 11:11 AM   
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The congressmen and senators that are at the helm are way out of touch with the average american worker. It's too bad be can't just slash their wages back the way all of ours have been slashed. Drop their pension funds like so many other workers were dumped by Verizon and megacorps. Oh and that "minimum wage" that they claim is so feasible. That should be what THEY are making. Lets see them try to live on that sum.

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Continually increasing productivity
Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jul 30, 2008 11:27 AM   
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I remember back a few decades ago, living in the Lehigh Valley, closed shop blue collar union world of heavy industry. I remember how Bethlehem Steel workers would laugh about how they slept 4 hours out of every shift because they could meet their union mandated production quotas in that time, and they surely wouldn't produce more because then the company might start to expect more. I remember working in a steel fabrication shop and having to stop work and sit it out for a half day because my light bulb blew out and of course, union rules dictated it was an electricians job to change it so I wasn't allowed, I'd be stealing his job. I'm sure every one of you out there in the real working world know of coworkers, maybe even you, who loaf half a day, spend the other half gabbing on the phone with personal calls with grandma. So, why can productivity keep increasing while the number of workers gets smaller, well, even a college student should be able to figure that one out. Could be we just plain lazied ourselves out of a job, doing as little work per day as we could get away with, obviously we're capable of more. Decade after decade, before global competition, we kept demanding more money, more benefits, more time off, for less work. But of course we never really came out ahead. When I earned $6.00 an hour I could buy a house for $20,000 and a new car for $2,000, now everything is 10 times that, and now we're competing with those economies that are 10 times cheaper than we are. The company I work for has eliminated over 50,000 American jobs to shift production overseas, jobs like mine are gradually shifting to India, because I can't work for those wages and survive. We're off scale. Shrinking home prices are not necessarily a bad thing, and it's just the beginning of the meltdown. We need a period of deflation, falling prices along with falling wages, and American workers have to get their asses back in gear to compete with foreign labor. We can't sleep half a shift while foreign workers are busting their humps for 8, we can't spend our work time chatting with mom about her hair dresser appointment. We're reaping the rewards of our allowing ourselves to get fat and lazy.
They're building a casino where Bethlehem Steel once stood, the blast furnaces stand as historical reminders of what once was. Huge buildings that once manufactured Mack Trucks now house pigeons, dead leaves blow along the floors. Once companies of global influence, their products fueled the industrial revolution, supplied the wars, can be found around the world, now stark reminders of where we're heading if we don't do some major attitude adjusting in this country. We've lost our edge and we're being pushed out of the game. It was a great ride, the bill is already in the mail.

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hi everyone
Posted by: mingus455 on Jul 30, 2008 11:32 AM   
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i am new here

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The tale not told...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jul 30, 2008 11:36 AM   
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Is the tale of the worker who has watched all their fellow employees disappear, but not their workloads. Year after year the workloads get larger. Those who can't manage it are no longer 'qualified' for the job. Workers with health problems or older workers are legally discriminated against because they can't compete with the younger wage slaves. Those who do manage to hang on find themselves forced to take multiple prescriptions to keep their bodies going. For businesses that offer health insurance the prescription drug benefit bankrupts the program.
How many poor shlubs have to be laid off so that CFO making $220 million a year can get his annual 20% pay raise?
The economic pyramid has been turned on it's head and is no longer a stable structure.

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Interesting points...
Posted by: pinkfloydd on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 PM   
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Save for those bashing the interviewee for his linguistic problems. But hey, everyone wants to feel superior to someone, right?

The entire economic model this country has built itself on the last few decades is mainly the cause of why American workers work more (than any other modern nation) but make less and less. That economic model is greed. Really, what can one do with $20 billion that one couldn't do with $10 billion? Well, one can feel superior to those who don't (can't) make $20 billion.

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» RE: Interesting points... Posted by: Livemike
Alternet Has Recently Been Swamped With a Swarm of Miserable Doom Merchants
Posted by: opmoc on Jul 30, 2008 3:03 PM   
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Lighten Up For Fucks Sake.

The most important thing is your health, your family and your friends.

So everyone is going to lose their homes, their jobs, their money, their food and water and we are all going to starve to death.

Well - we are all going to die anyway - eventually...

So some take the final solution

What is the fucking point in carrying on?

Look - when you get chucked out of your house and are on the street - a Security Guard will escort you from your home to the gutter - to ensure that you don't burn it down.

So your homes will still be O.K.

They will still be there.

And food will still grow in the fields.

Sure you might have no money to buy it - but you can just go and nick it whilst its growing.

You will still survive.

My wife and I have just spent 6 out of the last 10 mights living in a tent.

It was O.K. - we actually enjoyed it.

We had a little gas burner and some tins of beans.

We survived.

So can you.

Get off your arse and take control of your destiny.

Buy a Tent - and a guitar - and people will give you a bit of food if you can entertain them.

Stop being so Fucking Miserable.

It really ain't that bad...

Look on the bright side

There are going to be all those millions of empty homes sat doing nothing

Do what the British do

Squat

Oh 2 Buckets are useful.

One for water to drink

And one to go to the toilet in

Just like the conditions of around one third of the human population live in on this planet.

America - welcome to the club.

You brought it on yourself by allowing lunatics to control you.

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I DON'T Know!
Posted by: Employee Advocate on Jul 30, 2008 5:32 PM   
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You know, there were so many “you knows” in the article, you know, that, you know, I found the article, you know, impossible to, you know, read, you know?

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Ok, let's get one thing straight...
Posted by: Livemike on Aug 1, 2008 3:35 AM   
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the United States is NOT an example of the extreme free market. It's less free market than most of Europe was in say 1900. It's so not free market that pretty much anyone could be arrested for an economic "crime". It's so not free market you guys are about to go broke paying welfare in effect to people who can buy there own homes. It's so not free market that what was done to electricity sales was mistaken for deregulation. When Ron Paul gets elected it might become somewhat free market.

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EVERY COMPANY AND MAN FOR HIMSELF.
Posted by: EMPOWEREDRAGONESS on Aug 2, 2008 12:57 AM   
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There is a lot of behind the scenes reasons for the wage and labor problems. Remember the big labor unions and how proud people were to be a part of them and all the big money they knocked down? Where did all the jobs go? To countries where labor unions are not even discussed as an option. Unions achieved nothing when they let our jobs get passed on to new countries.
New minimum wages mean nothing when all the retailers adjust their prices upward to absorb your new wage increase. Oh and they do that when they hear the minimum wage is going up...not after it goes up...they do not want you to think they were trying to take your increase away. I saw the attitudes of employers and workers change in the late 1980's.
All of a sudden companies started down sizing and getting rid of workers who were close to retirement and had been there many years in order to hire new inexperienced workers with fresh new ideas who would beg for a place to start in their chosen field. THEN!!! The workers saw there was no loyalty in the corporate structure and that it was acting dis-loyal to them....so...we became a nation of merc's. Mercanaries who work for pay only and they became like their employers had become. Each man for himself and wanting to know (what is realy in this for me?) A pat on the back and goodby when I get a few benefits and raises? Then the internet came along and suddenly the employee did have time after an exhausting day to hunt an new job if he felt pressure at work. He just sat there tired at home and applied for a new job without having to run across town in a suit with a smile on his face. He got back at the big corporate giants who snubbed him in the first place. Then the idea of two decent paying jobs became more desirable than one great paying job because he actually felt more secure with two jobs. So suprise Mr.corporate giant all you get to hire now are a bunch of self-interested MERCENARIES who are looking for something better the minute they come to work for you. Down sizing was your down fall. The employee's down fall was thinking the labor unions would save him from anything and make him more money...Hey they closed the coal mines down over the labor unions and are not going to open them until people are begging for jobs and stop thinking about unions. I do not see any pretty solutions to any of this. The only thing I see some time in the future is a nation wide re-enactment of the movie Mad Max.

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OMG.
Posted by: J_Mo on Aug 6, 2008 9:03 AM   
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I, like--you know--couldn't, like, get past the 2nd page! You know?

*headache*

I'm sure this writer (the book author) has great things to say; however, his use of that ubiquitous phrase makes this inteview like--totally unreadable!

~J-Mo

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High Time for Books Like Greenhouse's . . . But Are They *in Time*?
Posted by: wordsmithy on Aug 15, 2008 9:29 PM   
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Books like Steven Greenhouse's _The Big Squeeze_ are not only needed--it is long past time we start seeing the mainstream media catching on to what millions of us have known and lived much of these last 30 years.

But is this new awareness *in* time? Or hsve things already gone too far for us to have any hope of taking back our country, our economy, our rights, and the American Dream?

Recently, a poster on Barbara Ehrenreich's bulletin boards wrote that "after many years of temp, unemployment, and bad jobs--$38,000 sounds pretty good right now."

Think about how much your and my average pay would be had it advanced at even one-half or one-tenth the pace at which the "average" CEO's pay has risen over the same time.

For us "overqualified" (read: older and experienced, and therefore worth every penny we should get!) workers, this legalized theft and our longstanding economic plight hit all the harder. Many of us remember firsthand how we were all told we'd succeed if we got good educations, worked hard, applied ourselves, developed our skills, and were loyal workers doing superior work--before the "American Dream" was stolen out from under us.

Sad--and frightening--when so many of us have become resigned to merely surviving, not really living, at pay levels that in many U.S. communities now actually fall below the minimum threshold for rent assistance. Sadder to realize that so many of us now believe we must simply accept this--and have no choice but to submit to worse to come.

Yup. That's exactly what many of those now in power in business and government want you and all of us to think.

Having myself--at age 49, after graduating from college in 1981--*cracked the $38,000 *(gross, not net)* mark, endured multiple downsizings and, at one point during a long bout (in 2003) of unemployment and sporadic "temping," fear of being unable to afford either health insurance or rent of a modest apartment, I know firsthand what we and our society have had stolen from us. Indeed, $38,000 per year in today's America barely lets one survive, but not really live or build any autonomy and security for the future.

That, too, is part of the Grand Design. Many employers and government officials don't want happy, secure, and free workers--they want cowed, indentured servants, always fearful for their jobs, fearing they will always have to work (notice how nicely the assaults on pensions and retiree health care fit into this?) on employers' unilaterally set terms.

Those now in power want us all to feel not only fear of displeasing our employers, but isolation, helplessness against employer demands and abuses, and hopelessness that we'll ever be able to do anything about it.

Hence, such once-unthinkable abuses of our hard-won rights such as massive layoffs, pay and benefits cuts, and the like for us amid "golden parachutes" for executives, widespread workplace drug testing, unwarranted pulling of credit reports, and, most recently, the increasing practice among many employers of snooping online for "digital dirt" about your and my lives away from work (gotta make sure we don't hire anyone who still dares to express any pro-worker or other progressive, "boat-rocking" ideas in our Brave New Workplaces now, can we?) are now so common that most such outrages now draw little if any public protest, or even notice.

The message: Thou Shalt Obey Thy Almighty Employer--or face (fast rather than slow) destitution, going without health insurance (and thus, often, health care), foreclosure or eviction, homelessness, starvation. . . .

To take back our futures and our rights, our country and its economy and government--to have *any* chance of survival--we must make the coming years an era that will make the 1960s look tranquil. We need a New New Deal, if not a Second American Revolution.

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