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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Suicide Spreads as One Solution to the Debt Crisis

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Barbaraehrenreich.com. Posted July 29, 2008.


In a culture where credit rating is the key measure of self-worth, the increasing response to huge debts is "Just shoot me!"
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A few days before Congress passed its Housing Bill, Carlene Balderrama of Taunton MA found her own solution to the housing crisis. Just a little over two hours in advance of the time her mortgage company, PHH Mortgage Corporation -- may its name live in infamy -- was to auction off her home, Balderrama killed herself with her husband's rifle.

This is not the kind of response to hard times that James Grant had in mind when he wrote his July 19 Wall Street Journal essay entitled "Why No Outrage?" "One might infer from the lack of popular anger," the famed Wall Street contrarian wrote, "that the credit crisis was God's fault rather than the doing of the bankers and the rating agencies and the government's snoozing watchdogs." For contrast, he cites the spirited response to the depression of the 1890s, when lawyer/agitator Mary Lease stirred crowds with the message that "We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out .... We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary"

Grant could have found even more bracing examples of resistance in the 1930s, when farmers and tenants used mob power -- and sometimes firearms -- to fight foreclosures and evictions. For more on that, I consulted Frances Fox Piven, co-author of the classic text Poor People's Movements: Why They Succeed, How They Fail, who told me that in the early 30s, a number of cities were so shaken by the resistance that they declared moratoriums on further evictions. A 1931 riot by Chicago tenants who had fallen behind on their rent, for example, had left three dead and three police officers injured.

According to Piven, these actions were often spontaneous. A group of unemployed men would get word of a scheduled eviction and march through the streets, gathering crowds as they went. Arriving at the site of the eviction, they would move the furniture back into the apartment and stay around to protect the threatened tenants. In one instance in Detroit, it took 100 cops to evict a single family. Also in Detroit, Piven said, "two families protected their apartments by shooting their landlord and were acquitted by a sympathetic jury."

What a difference 80 years makes. When the police and the auctioneers arrived at Balderrama's house, the family gun had already been used -- on the victim of foreclosure herself. I don't know how "worthy" a debtor she was -- the family had been through bankruptcies before, though probably not as a result of Caribbean vacations and closets full of designer clothes. It was an Adjustable Rate Mortgage that did them in, and Balderrama, who managed the family's finances, had apparently been unwilling to tell her husband that their ever-rising monthly mortgage payments were eating up his earnings as a plumber.

Suicide is becoming an increasingly popular response to debt. James Scurlock's brilliant documentary, Maxed Out, features the families of two college students who killed themselves after being overwhelmed by credit card debt. "All the people we talked to had considered suicide at least once," Scurlock told a gathering of the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys in 2007. According to the Los Angeles Times, lawyers in the audience backed him up, "describing clients who showed up at their offices with cyanide, or threatened, 'If you don't help me, I've got a gun in my car.'"

India may be the trend-setter here, with an estimated 150,000 debt-ridden farmers succumbing to suicide since 1997. With guns in short supply in rural India, the desperate farmers have taken to drinking the pesticides meant for their crops.

Dry your eyes, already: Death is an effective remedy for debt, along with anything else that may be bothering you too. And try to think of it too from a lofty, corner-office, perspective: If you can't pay your debts or afford to play your role as a consumer, and if, in addition -- like an ever-rising number of Americans -- you're no longer needed at the workplace, then there's no further point to your existence. I'm not saying that the creditors, the bankers and the mortgage companies actually want you dead, but in a culture where one's credit rating is routinely held up as a three-digit measure of personal self-worth, the correct response to insoluble debt is in fact, "Just shoot me!"

The alternative is to value yourself more than any amount of money and turn the guns, metaphorically speaking, in the other direction. It wasn't God, or some abstract economic climate change, that caused the credit crisis. Actual humans -- often masked as financial institutions -- did that, (and you can find a convenient list of names in Nomi Prins's article in the current issue of Mother Jones.) Most of them, except for a tiny few facing trials, are still high rollers, fattening themselves on the blood and tears of ordinary debtors. I know it's so 1930s, but may I suggest a march on Wall Street?

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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.


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Posted by: Elmcorners on Jul 29, 2008 1:01 AM   
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We could say the same thing about the Health Care System. As long as I can afford to pay for it, I'm an asset. If I can't pay, I have no value at all.

Or property taxes. If you can't pay the tax on your house you really have no business owning one.

You don't have to be a deadbeat. You can be hard working and honest. You don't even spend money foolishly, you simply can't earn enough.

Meanwhile, CEOs who lay off 4,000 people are given multi-million dollar bonuses.

I suppose there's a logic and fairness in this but I have to say it escapes me.

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When you have nothing left to lose....
Posted by: Obijuan on Jul 29, 2008 1:53 AM   
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...why not take a few of these bankers with you?

It's a pity this isn't suggested by more authors. There is potentially a whole army of folks with nothing left to lose, and a whole list of folks on whom to place the blame.

Oh....these are people for which the Halliburton detention facilities are being built. Now I get it.

Still, I would tread lightly with regard to putting these thoughts into print. It might get you on a list somewhere as a terrorist.

obi

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» What? Go Postal? Posted by: pangolin
Return of the Robber Barons
Posted by: Richard House on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 AM   
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There is no such thing as economic security. For the middle class. In fact I don’t believe the middle class truly exists anymore just as the America we once knew is gone forever. Some of us who grew up in the 1960s were the lucky ones and our homes are paid for and some of us who bought a property in Europe when the dollar was almighty are even luckier. Of course, there’s still property taxes and if I lose my income I could lose everything too. To avoid that you have to live as though hard times are already here, no matter how much money you have so you can begin to value what’s real for you.

Today, societal norms don’t favor equality, there are no strong labor unions or a progressive taxation system which favors those other than the extremely wealthy. U.S. government policies began favoring the wealthy at the expense of working families in the 1980’s and the Bush administration, whose “evilness” I still have difficulty wrapping my mind around, brought to it to extreme and relentless levels; tax cuts for the rich and a bankruptcy "reform" that punished the unlucky. And they churned out domestic policies as well that made your head spin; almost every domestic policy seemed intended to create the new Robber Baron era.

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March on Wall Street? I'm waiting for the water to rise...
Posted by: feduphoosier on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 AM   
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I won't cry too many tears the day the ocean rises and engulfs lovely, scenic Wall Street. That may be the one anticipated effect of Global Warming that I am actually looking forward to.

And I expect the same lack of interest from the rest of the country that... well that Wall Street showed towards the Gulf Coast after Katrina.

In fact -- maybe we'll all celebrate by going shopping.

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Community and despair
Posted by: inglis on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 AM   
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Growing up in the burbs in the 60s, recent flexibility has gone far towards making community relationships, deep relationships among individuals, almost impossible. Moving from company to company and city to city does not allow for the sort of bonds that used to exist from the ground up in the 20s and 30s. My sister killed herself on Friday in Austin largely because she had been downsized to the point, over a number of years, and had few relationships left. She knew she could pay her basic bills, but did not know how to build a life outside of work relationships, relationships that are at times predatory. Her letter arrived yesterday and she wants no obit, no public notification of her death in her city of 35 plus years. I am heartbroken. Somehow we need to build relationships and oppose the structures of flexibility.

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What is it like?
Posted by: amithist on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Well if you look at my information from social security the highest my gross income reached was 17,000. I spent from 5 years living on the streets until my disability went threw. I am turned away by medical facilities because my state and federal insurances are not taken.

I am turned away from loans because my check is to small. I am turned away from educational grants and state programs because my check is to big.

I am one of those unnecessary people that cant be taxed to death and I can't even contribute to the high prices of Health Care as I can barely find any.

What is it like? I want to know how it feels to take home paychecks like most of the top seated business men do. When is the last time they were denied credit? when was the last time they had to fight for health care and when was the last time they had to stretch their last few quarters so they could eat that day? I can almost bet you that what they pay for a pair of shoes would cover half or more on rent or a house payment for the rest of us.

I would like to know just one time before I die what it is like to not be poor.

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What is it like?
Posted by: amithist on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Well if you look at my information from social security the highest my gross income reached was 17,000. I spent from 5 years living on the streets until my disability went threw. I am turned away by medical facilities because my state and federal insurances are not taken.

I am turned away from loans because my check is to small. I am turned away from educational grants and state programs because my check is to big.

I am one of those unnecessary people that cant be taxed to death and I can't even contribute to the high prices of Health Care as I can barely find any.

What is it like? I want to know how it feels to take home paychecks like most of the top seated business men do. When is the last time they were denied credit? when was the last time they had to fight for health care and when was the last time they had to stretch their last few quarters so they could eat that day? I can almost bet you that what they pay for a pair of shoes would cover half or more on rent or a house payment for the rest of us.

I would like to know just one time before I die what it is like to not be poor.

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» RE: What is it like? Posted by: CountDown
Barbara is Right!
Posted by: Israel on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Barbara has hit the nail squarely, if ironically on the head! The international bankers who own the Federal Reserve,[THE MAN] (Google Eustace Mullins, the share holders of the FED are a matter of record!) and loan the US government every single dollar in circulation (look at the bills in your wallet, the word "Note" connotes a debt!)looks upon us income producing assets the way a farmer looks at his livestock!

He knows how much he is going to get for each pig and chicken. THE MAN knows that he will extract 60-80% of All the money each of us makes during our lifetime!

30-40% of our wages in Income tax, which is nothing but interest payments to THE MAN on his loan of money to the Federal Government.

10-15% is taken in interest on our mortgages. They have set up mortgage payments (amortization schedules) so that the first 5 years are interest, then you move or refinance and start the clock over again. To find the True interest rate you are paying on your mortgage, divide the amount of interest in your payment by the total payment. That is basic 5th grade math, but THE MAN doesn't want you to look at it that way.

10-15% in interest on consumer purchases. Ever figure out how long it will take you to pay off your credit card debt if all you can make are the minimum payments? Credit card fees and penalties not withstanding. (they make up 1/2 of the banks earnings from credit cards!) THE MAN's Supreme Court has ruled that No Usury Laws apply to the credit card companies!

10-15% on the Excessive Markups we are conditioned to pay on things we purchas. THE MAN has us hooked on METH! (More Everything Than Him) We value each other by the labels in our clothes and the car(s) we drive. Therefore, we pay Excess Markups, ($700 for a pink, Baby Phat cell phone!) with much of the profits going to THE MAN who finances the companies producing this crap!

So, it is obvious that if you have failed and can no longer maintain your proper role in this conspiracy as as a consumer, you should, as a matter of honor, kill yourself.

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Cute girl in pic on front page
Posted by: rugger on Jul 29, 2008 4:06 AM   
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Give her my number, I'd be glad to help her out.

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Easy to see
Posted by: jackburns on Jul 29, 2008 5:05 AM   
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"Capitalism: Nothing so mean could be right. Greed is the ugliest of the capital sins."-Edward Abbey

I don't believe it's impossible to change the current centralized, hierarchical, coercive and inherently inegalitarian system.

It's a totalitarian economic hegemony, and we'll need some help from Mother Earth to help undo it. The good news is that help is on its way.

Industrial capitalism is the enemy of all living things, because it requires constant growth; growth that destroys ecosystems, non-humans and humans.

I've been embroiled in my own personal battle with the IRS for a number of years, and under threats of garnishment, I've considered (and told them) I'd just end it. The problem is they want monthly payments I can't make, payments that would force me to lose my home and not be able to care for my family. Often, the only way out seems like death and letting the life insurance pay off the debts.

But in the end, violence only brings more violence. My children would be damaged forever and the chances exponentially increase that they too might become suicidal.

The constabulary probably wants nothing more than a few folks to take up arms against the machine. That gives them an excuse to send out militarized police forces and quickly put down any civil disobedience. Play with their toys. Justify their existence. This ain't 1930, and the police are much better equipped to deal with a poorly equipped citizenry. The rebellion would end quicker than it started. They're highly trained killers, and the old scatter gun won't cut it.

Perhaps our only chance is to find some sane, rational mixture of socialism (employee owned companies and cooperatives) and small scale capitalism. Family owned, small enterprises. The community bakery, butcher shop, grocer, small scale organic farmer. An economic system that not only exists within biological and geophysical limits (taking all species into account), but one that is kinder and more compassionate.

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From Family Farm to Suburbia, from Japan to the USA
Posted by: artie on Jul 29, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Suicide has become "the solution" throughout the world for farmers who have lost their livelihoods (sometimes on the shoulders of family generations) - not just in India, but in China, the UK, and the US! These noble deaths can be credited to the WTO, the World Bank, ..., all pivoted on the thirst for cheaper mangoes, avocados, rice, coffee, cotton, ... - our thirsts! Somehow this conspicuously esoteric consumption is the barometer of a good, happy life .... Exploiting our fundamental hopes for a home, domestic variants of the WTO and World Bank are allowed to deceive the consumer to sign pernicious conditions that ultimately negate the dream itself. Nor is the problem dissimilar to the problem of global warming: the very 'techne' that we think have secured our survival will, in fact, negate that very survival itself - another variety of suicide, perhaps. Japan has taken "the lead": life insurance policies no longer pay on a suicide... Despite how trite it sounds: what has happened to our sense of values? We Americans seem to lack any sense at all of how precious Life is.... As a single father with two sons to care for, with two sons who continuously remind me of how precious and inexplicably miraculous Life is, I can't understand what is wrong with Americans - but, when I look at our White House, harboring war criminals, it all starts to make some sense .... I watch our media outlets spewing only hypocrisy: how dare we criticize, the Iranians, or the Chinese, or conspire in Hussein's "murder," when we ourselves do the very same, and have done the same for over the past 50 years! It is no wonder that suicide has become an option ....

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len
Posted by: lenteach on Jul 29, 2008 5:23 AM   
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What we have is a crisis of values.
America is still a land of incredible opportunity. Just ask all the people from other lands who own
more wealth here than they ever could where they were born. And their success holds lessons for us.We were born here and take it all for granted.We assume that we deserved it all,schools,parents,teachers,friends and families.

We grew up with all of it and didn't earn any of it.We thought it was a given,the good life,plenty of fun for all,restaurants,booze,clothes,drugs,cars etc. Well, now we know.Nothing is a given here unless you sweat for it the old-fashioned way.And that means not just working.

Our answers lay in our past history,something none of us is interested in knowing, since we are so busy living to the hilt in the present. History has all the life lessons to teach us about how America got to be such a land of opportunity and wealth.

We need to find out about our forefathers and pioneer ancestors and what challenges they faced and how they vanquished their enemies.They had no chance to commit suicide,they were too busy dying of so many other things. But their legacy to us is lost and we are a rudderless ship.

The world is after us and wants our secrets.Millions are coming out of poverty into the light of day and see us for the first time as people they can aspire to be.They want all we have and fast.If we are going to hold on to ourselves, we must know who we are,what it means to be us.

We can only find that out from looking back to see who we were,who we came from,how we got here,what we faced here and what made us survive against all the odds and eventually prosper.How did our ancestors beat the odds,all the adversity that came at them,full force,relentlessly trying to destroy them,from colonial days to the Second World War in the 1940's?

We must look back to the simple times
of daily survival, to our roots,our past and re-discover our true nature,our love for freedom, our powerful spirit,our desire to live free no matter what kind of sacrifices it takes. We are drowning in our own despair while we are still surrounded by more chances for success,for life worth living,than most people ever dreamed of having.But we don't know how to "access" those opportunities because we have no plan,no underlying strategy, no commitment to
struggle,sacrifice,suffering,starting over.

For so long we have "had it all" that we don't know our own strengths.We have to dig deep inside ourselves, to our core as Americans,to the secrets of success that were time-tested and start over.Just one example is enough.

Neither a borrower nor a lender, be.


That lesson can save you if you let it.It can help you to pull yourself up from the bottom of the pit you have made for yourself,from the false
belief that you must have everything you took for granted to keep on living.Living doesn't mean having cars and gas and clothes and phones.Living means personal dignity,self-respect,self-control and independence.When you have those, you will feel reborn and able to make the right choices about what is right and what is wrong and what you are really all about,inside yourself.Look back in time to those who conquered a continent and built a nation greater than any in human history.They are your role models.
Shun the worthless persons around you
and in the media.Turn them off and tune them out.Talk to yourself about who you are and what you want to be.

It isn't easy to do but nothing worth doing ever is.In the long run it will build personal character and integrity for you.
Rid yourself of the phony,self-indulgent and superficial ways of living, the self destructive habits all around you and be real.

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A little understanding please!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 29, 2008 5:30 AM   
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""Suicide is becoming an increasingly popular response to debt.""- it's a shame that the author displays little understanding of suicide.

A crises may be the trigger but in most cases there will be a trigger- if it's not rising debt it will be something else - no vacations; stress of managing too much money; marital problems; business etc..etc.

In many suicide cases most people say "I never say it coming.. They seemed so "normal"". Symptoms are like an iceberg - most of them are hidden.

This article trivializes a serious illness to something that is no more than a response to rough times!

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» RE: A little understanding please! Posted by: peacefullaim
All of this was intentional
Posted by: Farasien on Jul 29, 2008 5:31 AM   
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As I've said in reply to many other articles, none of what you see is going to change until there is mass starvation or worse. Its good news that, finally, someone besides me is saying it may be time to take more direct action against the system and its authors. The reality is, unlike what many well-meaning progressive folks believe, history bears out the fact that the only way to stop elites from literally snapping a collar around your neck and marching you off to a concentration camp- both literally and financially speaking- is to fight. Nobody likes the idea of fighting these days- we've been fed the lie that we live in an 'enlightened' society where violence isn't required anymore (unless you're one of the lites, anyway) to effect change. As with most things we're told as a society, the opposite is true. Elites will always use their access, money and power to secure a better and better position for themselves in the world, and in a world of finite resources of ALL kinds, that means some people have to starve, live on the street and lose their freedoms and rights. Don't fool yourself- they don't see it as an unfortunate necessity or necessarry evil, many of them relish their power and look on it as manifest destiny- in many of these assholes' view, God, the universe or some other force has decreed them better than all of us, and therefore its OK to do whatever they want. Such people don't have a conscience- hell, most consider right and wrong an outmoted, backwards, pesant idea. The only thing us filthy masses have to combat that is our fists, weapons and sheer numbers. Until that magic moment where the last straw breaks the camel's back and people start waking up and doing as the article suggests, we're going to get more of the same. Until the elites are being guttend and left to die in the streets like us, this is what we're going to get. While we have ourselves, ultimately, to blame for these bastards sucking up everything, its ultimately , once again, up to us to correct the situation. Until we realize that, and we understand that its only through force that we'll get there, feudalism will continue to reign.

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Maybe it's time we all quit trusting gubbmint siding with the bankers and became ECONOMIC VIGILANTES
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 29, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Hey, I'm doing it and I'm not turning back. If you people want something better, start private by being an economic vigilante and learn to accept the fact that we the sheeple must counter-infiltrate the system just the way Paul Kersey countered the corporate goons in Death Wish IV and V.

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» When the justice system fails: Posted by: makeadifference
It's Only Money
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 29, 2008 6:51 AM   
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It's only money, and you don't go to debtor's prison if you can't pay your bills. Walk away, live without credit, just pay as you go. Get away from the idea that you are what you own (or owe). Life goes on. Rent a small place (you can still find landlords who don't do credit checks), file bankruptcy, deal with it, get support from family and friends, don't blame yourself (most important of all). There's plenty of time to "learn your lesson" from the experience; for now, just get through it. It'll be OK.

There is a shared responsibility here, for most people anyway. Sure, mortgage companies, credit card companies, etc., are money grubbing thieving bastards, but most people are not up to their eyeballs in debt because they can't pay for necessities. Our culture, over the past 30 years or so, has become so credit-based that people routinely make many purchases on credit. The average household has more than $6,000 in credit card debt and that's a lot of money. As for mortgages, the allure of owning a home can blind people to what it says on those papers they're signing, and they're also easily led by mortgage brokers and real estate agents looking for a commission. "Your income will be higher five years from now, so you will be able to afford that balloon payment, and if you can't, you can always refinance at a lower interest rate," blah blah blah. Sure. If I lose my job, or get sick or become disabled, what happens then?

This culture has to change; we need to go back to using cash. It's ridiculous that a person can't even get a cell phone without a credit card. I tried to get one last week, after not using credit cards for the last 10 years and not owning a home or having a loan balance. Yup, I don't owe anyone anything...but I was turned down for the cell phone because I don't have a recent credit history. It's insane that although I signed up for a cell phone plan costing only $29.99 a month, they wouldn't give it to me because I don't owe anyone any money.

Our society is sick with credit. We forgot how to live within our means, and our worth is determined not on how much we have, but how much we can borrow. This is beyond weird.

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» RE: It's Only Money Posted by: logic
» RE: It's Only Money Posted by: beautifulady2003
Fall on your swords you filthy cowards!
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 29, 2008 7:11 AM   
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There are millions of americans who'd be doing themselves a favor if they fell on their own swords right now. These are the people who live in total denial about everything. They are completely ill prepared to be thrust headfirst into the real world.

If you arent ready to commit to a life of extreme hardship, then you best find the most peaceful method of moving on... because what karma has in store might not be all that peaceful.

There are billions of people around the world who posess a true desire to live in this world even though their life is much harsher than the life of anyone who is reading this. How does their passion for life compare to yours? Does it send you to the depths of depression to think about the fact that they are perfectly willing to live in this world even with only 1/10th or even 1/100th of the fossil fuel energy slaves we have working for us?

How does it make you feel to know that there are at least 2 billion people who wish they had what you have, and yet you still continue to waste it? How does it make you feel to know that more and more of these people are going to be competing to get what you have? And soon, through mechanisms such as debt and currency devaluation, to actually take what you have?

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But when the middle class is totally wiped out . .
Posted by: snax on Jul 29, 2008 7:26 AM   
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who will pay for the prisons?

'Passionate Conservatism' - is it any wonder we are in this mess when a term like that is allowed to stand???

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» RE: they are already built..... Posted by: thealltheone
My Dad--a farmer--remembered the 1930's
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 29, 2008 7:27 AM   
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In the 1930's there were mass foreclosures of farmers and evicting of farm families. My Dad told us kids stories of how he participated in a spontaneous movement that grew up in my area to physically resist foreclosures. There was one judge in Le Mars Iowa--well known for his connections to the local bankers and a harsh "kick 'em out" attitude--the farmers broke up a foreclosure hearing at his court, grabbed the judge, put a rope around his neck and paraded him around town.

Our grandparents had a lot more guts back then then we have today.

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» RE: My Dad--a farmer--remembered the 1930's Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Not Worth it
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jul 29, 2008 7:42 AM   
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So sad and so not worth it. In most states, there is litte unsecured creditors can do but call to harass you on the phone between 8am and 9pm. Just change your number (to a non pub) and dont give it to ANYONE but close friends and family.

JT
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Suicide/murder, a solution?
Posted by: wallisp on Jul 29, 2008 7:55 AM   
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The republicans are just following the Milton Friedman ideology.
This country seems to be a situation where, Shock and Awe, will not work,(the Milton Friedman Ideology). So, I guess they are driving people to suicide, to create an alternate means of re-training, the public, as to the new diaster capitalistic direction for this country.

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I'm in love with Barbara...
Posted by: littlemanintheboat on Jul 29, 2008 8:00 AM   
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are you married? Gay? If not, I have a boat we can live on and I'm not really that little...

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I'm sure voting for a corporate controlled party will help....
Posted by: alexalexa on Jul 29, 2008 8:24 AM   
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But probably not.

All you liberal sheep be sure to vote for democrats, and watch while you're screwed over just the same.

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Should we be suprised
Posted by: Andrew_S on Jul 29, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Quitely and cleverly over the last three decades our new bureacratic professional class has inserted itself and it's parasatic top heavy mentality into the politics of life. This bunch of ne'erdowells has quite literally taken this country into third world status, increasing it's dependency, while quadrupling it's employment. Reducing the social, political and supporting infrastructure into an incentivized but temporary free for all. Someone pointed out the class differentiation, but it is not. We have simply shifted the emphasis and societal model. We have a three tiered system, the owners, the managers and the workers. Remind anyone of any model from the past, albiet there are immediate benefits to the advocates for now. For the whole system to be reduced to what it is we did need a catalyst, and guess who that was. I do believe nature has to make a house call sometime soon, that should shakes things up a bit.

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