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America's Richest Will Pay More Under Obama's Tax Plan

By Sam Pizzigati, Too Much: A Commentary on Excess and Inequality. Posted August 1, 2008.


A debate between campaign economists on taxes shows a clear divide on tax policy between Obama and McCain for America's wealthiest.

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The ideologues who manage the Wall Street Journal's editorial pages have emerged, over recent years, as America's most unrelenting -- and shameless -- defenders of wealth and privilege. They enjoy the work. They do it well. No one turns reality upside-down any better. Take, for instance, the Journal editorial last week that defended George W. Bush from charges that his administration tilts to the wealthy. George W.'s tax policies, the Journal pronounced, have actually "caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history." Any Bush "giveaway to the rich," the Journal editorial added, exists only as "a figment of the left's imagination." The Journal offered some evidence for these bold assertions. According to just-released IRS statistics, the paper noted, America's richest 1 percent paid 40 percent of all income taxes in 2006, their "highest share in at least 40 years."

Case closed? Not quite. The rich, as a group, are indeed paying a larger share of the nation's income tax dollars, but only because they're pocketing a much larger share of the nation's income. As individuals, the IRS data show, the rich are actually paying less -- far less -- of these incomes in taxes than they have in years.

In fact, if average taxpayers in the top 1 percent had paid taxes in 2006 at the same rate as the top 1 percent paid taxes 20 years ago in 1986, those average top 1 percent taxpayers would have each paid $136,518 more in 2006 taxes than they actually did.

What do the McCain and Obama campaigns feel about this top-tilting tax status quo? Both campaigns had a chance to explain last week in the nation's capital, at the 2008 Presidential race's first debate devoted purely to taxes. The host for the event: the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, two bedrock pillars of the capital's policy wonk community.

Tax Policy Center researchers last month published a preliminary analysis of just how the McCain and Obama tax plans would likely play out. The researchers unveiled an updated analysis at last Wednesday's debate, 56 dense pages of numbers and charts.

But one set of numbers stood out in that numerical mass: the Tax Policy Center's comparison of which Americans would pay more in taxes under the McCain and Obama plans and which would pay less.

Under the McCain plan, the Tax Policy Center figures indicated, Americans in the top 0.1 percent -- that's everyone making at least $2,871,682 -- would average $192,645 less in taxes in 2012 than they would if the current tax situation were simply extended.


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Sam Pizzigati is the editor of the online weekly Too Much, and an associate fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies.

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Tax plans are taxing to the brain!
Posted by: carbon-based on Aug 1, 2008 6:14 PM   
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First of all, if one really looks at the plans one thing is evident no one can claim to make sense as to what will happen. Thy both have agenda and goals but thats about it. The tax implications cannot be nailed down until it is in much more detail.

first Obama defined middle class as anything below $63,500 . Now it's below $250,000. Then there is the inheritance tax.. Then there is the payroll taxes.. Then the Bush tax cuts... Is Obama planning on letting them expire, letting the tax rates go up and then cut from the increased levels so net net we pay more than under Bush but less than Obama originally planned?

Now, lets look at corporate taxes. We have the highest corporate tax structure in the world. We mitigate it somewhat by providing tax incentives to accomplish specific actions. Obama raises that tax structure then what happens to the effective tax rate..does it really go up, or do we still provide tax incentives .

Neither candidate really has a handle on the specifics and details of their plans.

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» Highest in the world? Posted by: suprmark
» RE: EVERYONE their fair share! Posted by: sasquuatch55
Commondreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM   
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The only way to stop this abuse is to enact higher taxes and possibly retroactive ones, on the overpaid banker geniuses who got us into this mess. In all seriousness, we must get this done if we are ever to see any kind of fairness in society.

How the "supply siders" got over is beyond me. It was a good bit of sophistry and deception and intimidation. That phrase is of course entirely wrong. It presupposes that only one group is entirely responsible for the economy humming along. Of course what they forgot is that bankrupting your customers (read: ordinary middle and under income Americans) just doesn't work....because they will not be able to buy your products once you've broken their wallets. Exactly what has happened here. Pointless greed, enablement of more of the same by egregious and unjustifiable tax cuts...have brought us to corporate tyranny, amoral and anti-family policies, and so on. Symbiosis - a commonly taught principle of life in school, has been entirely forgotten here. Let's not forget - there are no self made men or women and there is absolutely no one who deserves to live this high on the hog at the expense of others.

BTW, aggregate taxes paid by the wealthy - who cares? The only thing that matters is the percent you are paying out at what income. 30% of $50K hurts. 30% of $200K or above - sorry, doesn't even come close. Why? Because $40-50K is the new minimum wage...they just don't want you to know it. But if you do the numbers, you'll see (just try it - try never to go into debt...try to pay for housing and everything else without credit on that. And a vacation? Forget it if you have kids...you're going into debt). So let us not listen to this garbage about the rich paying so much in taxes - this article is brilliant to point out that they took home so much, it's no wonder. They took that from others...and they should pay alot more to repay their debt to society.

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» RE: Commondreamer Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Commondreamer Posted by: CommonDreamer
» Culture of old? Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Culture of old? Posted by: CommonDreamer
» RE: Commondreamer Posted by: john mont
» RE: Commondreamer Posted by: marie.vorrath
» RE: Commondreamer Posted by: CommonDreamer
Its simple; TAX WEALTH
Posted by: phoolish on Aug 3, 2008 9:53 PM   
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The whole thing is upside down, taxing work and not interest, inheritance, or speculation. If there's such disincentives to business because of taxation, why haven't the workers quit? Because people want to work, to contribute, to create. The neocon argument that taxing wealth disinclines them to start new ventures or grow their business is just hooey.

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» Exactly! Posted by: fanny666
Of course Obama's tax plan hurts wealthy citizens. That's why,,,
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 6, 2008 3:25 AM   
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Unfit McCain is fighting so hard to win in November. He and his wife, Cindy, have mucho dineros to lose with a net worth of $100 million. Why else would he flip-flop on Bush's 2001 tax cuts that unfairly favored rich people?

That's one of seven reasons for defeating McCain which I listed on my new nonprofit Web site, www.UnfitMcCain.com.

Here's another one of my Web site arguments for voting against the Grumpy Old Politician:

If McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a better future than that.

If, after visiting UnfitMcCain.com, you agree with my findings, please tell your family and friends about the Web site.

----------------------------------------------

PS: Seven days ago, I started tracking hits on UnfitMcCain.com.

On the home page, I request visitors to recommend the site with five emails that ask each recipient to do the same.

Amazingly, after 202 hits on Day One, the total jumped yesterday to 105,211!

Thanks for your support, AlterNetters, and please keep the Anti-McCain Straight Talk Express rolling.

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Great News!
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Aug 6, 2008 6:06 AM   
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George W.'s tax policies, the Journal pronounced, have actually "caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history."

This is truly great news. Democrats can reverse the Bush tax policies and show that the WSJ has shown this to actually be a tax cut.

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» RE: Great News! Posted by: dangerouslysane
Social Security ceiling
Posted by: mr.ed on Aug 6, 2008 6:16 AM   
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I'm mystified that there's no talk about lifting the ceiling on Social Security deductions. While I don't have the figures, could that mean the saving of the system, a reduced rate, or just more cash to steal to run the government and to leave a bigger IOU for my grandkids?

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» RE: Social Security ceiling Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
The richest should pay more
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 6, 2008 7:00 AM   
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When I grew up in the 50's and early 60's we had no National debt,we were'nt a debtor nation and we had no recession. Why?? WE HAD A 91% TAX ON THE RICH. The rules were simple 'The more you make the more tax you pay.' Too bad we lost our way as soon as Kennedy got in. He was the first to cut the tax on the rich. What happened? Before the decade was out we had a national debt, became a debtornation and started down the path of a nearlt 20 year recession. That's what giving a break to the greediest,wealthiest poeple in the country does for you....NOTHING!!!!
We need someone that's not afraid of the wealthy to make them pay their fair share,
without loopholes. Obama won't do it. McCain sure as hell won't do it. But I would!!! Taking effect about five minuyes after I took the oath of office. But then again I stick up for the poor and working classes so to the rich I'm a wannabe dictator. Actually I'm a wannabe 'equalizer'. Are we really ready for someone that will 'Walk his Talk'? I think so.
WRITE-IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
www.myspace.com/jeffrey1776

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And don't forget to cut back on Big Military wasteful spending.
Posted by: jwverez on Aug 6, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Despite all those spending increases for the last 8 years, America has won NOTHING from it so far. The tax cuts for the wealthy and the war spending funding are coming mainly from borrowing from China. Funny how them anti-commie kkkonservatives don't want to tell you that "we hate the commies but we gotta borrow their money and labor to prop up our BULLSHIT !"

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Pop
Posted by: Pop on Aug 6, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Tax is the best way to place back in line fair wages. Most of the well off don't earn their wealth but manipulate it unfairly from those that do the labor. Proper taxing would help to repay those that really earn.

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» RE: Pop Posted by: dangerouslysane
The rich shoould pay more
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 6, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Growing up in the 50's and early 60's we had no national debt,were'nt a debtor nation and had a balanced budget. Why? WE HAD A 91% TAX ON THE RICH. Kennedy got in and killed that. By the time 'Tricky Dick' Nixon got in,in '68
We had a budget in the hole,national debt and become a debtor nation. It used to be simple;
Make a lot of money,pay a lot of taxes'
Giving the rich a break of any kind has'nt ever benefited the middle,working or poor classes and it never will.
Obama won't put that kind of tax on the rich. McCain damn sure won't either. But I would.
Why? Because the people,the environment and healthcare are worth more that any single income and when you give tax breaks to those whom don't need it you force the rest of the country to suffer,unjustly so, to keep the wealth at the top of society. Right where it does no good at all.
Rock music got it right back in the 80's 'EAT THE RICH'
Bar-B-Qued Millioniare slow roasted over a burning pit of their own bullshit. It may come to that if things don't change.
I stick up for the people,the environment and for healthcare, for that I'm called a 'wannabe dictator', by the rich. Maybe I should become a 'Wannabe Chef'
WRITE-IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
www.myspace.com/jeffrey1776

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Taxing the rich? yes
Posted by: Wattshill on Aug 6, 2008 8:32 AM   
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This is a no brainer! All one has to do is watch the travel channel and do some checking.
The rich are paying 500 dollars to 10,000 dollar A NIGHT, yes a night to vacation. It the old days the rich businesses put money back into their product improvement and quality and ALSO to employee salaries because a happy employee is a good worker. BUT, not today because all the rich do is keep every penny buy more toys and hire Mexicans. You would be suprised at the Manhattan, New York houses and apartments the rich own (thier 2nd or 3rd or 4th, etc house) that they never even use at a modest cost of 6 to 12 million dollars. Have you ever seen a list (books) for any of our oil companies. How much does the ceo keep, how much goes to alternet energy, how much to their employees, how much to more refineries (0), etc. Of course not. Want to save America? Tax the rich a fair share and Don't vote Republican or Democrat. We need a third party because the current ones LIE and DO nothing for us.

GOOD LUCK WE NEED IT!

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It's all baloney.......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 6, 2008 8:55 AM   
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For all of the talk of tax cuts - the only people that have benefited have been the wealthy! If the average American actually goes back and looks at the taxes they have paid over the last 10 years they might pass out! Everyone should have learned a lesson from Ronald Reagan and his "voodoo economic" - the trickle down hasn't even trickled! The fact that once again you people put W. in office and thought that something would change is astonishing!

If anyone had actually paid attention to his record as governor of Texas, they had the highest illiteracy rate, the highest rate of teen pregnancy, led the nation in death penalty sentencing & follow thru, the reason soo many rich folk are there is because they were given so many breaks! Exactly what "adults" were sent to govern this nation!

That the rich finally need to start paying their share, and they are whining about it, is hysterical! The truth is corporate fat cats can take there business over seas, but if all Americans are unemployed who will buy their stuff! Maybe the share holders can cut the pay of the top fat cats, just an idea. Maybe the oil companies don't need to be subsidized (especially since their profits are insane!), maybe we can stop paying agri-business their subsidies, maybe we can stop subsidizing those "gentleman farmers", maybe we can cut the military-industrial-complex! Yes there is so much pork that needs to be cut we can actually finance social programs (healthcare, social security, quality public education, infrastructure, etc.)

Yes, let the rich whine and complain because they may actually have to pay their fare share, the 90% of Americans that have been financing the shenanigans that have been going on for the last 30 years need a break!

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» WE is the key Posted by: logic
The Plan
Posted by: logic on Aug 6, 2008 9:00 AM   
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The severe difference between the haves and havenots has been a deliberate unfolding of their elitist plan. The chosen ones apart from us masses. Do you seriously think an election will change that when deals and seats are traded behind closed doors before the election. The integrity of the vote count has been removed and they've chopped and cropped the constitution to suit their purpose. Politics is a rich man's game. Change that fact and there may be some hope that we could actually become the nation our founding fathers envisioned instead of the same regime they created America to get away from.

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Even Warren Buffett believes the wealthy should pay more!
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 6, 2008 9:14 AM   
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To me, this says it all:

"In 1986, this month's newly released data from the IRS document [shows], America's top 1 percent collected 11 percent of the nation's income. In 2006, these top 1 percent taxpayers took home twice that share, 22 percent."

They think we're too stooopid to figure this out. Perhaps they will change their minds when they see the trouncing the Republics are about to take come November.

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AlterNet removed my comment on today's thread about the rightwing GOP!
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 6, 2008 10:54 AM   
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Early this morning, I posted a comment on the How Washington's Right-Wing Wrecking Crew Robbed Us Blind thread. My comment was titled, "Unfit McCain -- America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON."

The subject matter was a result of two years of research on my part into the rightwing GOP -- specifically PNAC.

When I began my study in 2006, one of the first things I did was search the archives of my local newspaper, the Los Angeles Times. Incredibly to me, I found only TWO articles in the previous 10 years that covered Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist organization.

Alarmed by the lack of news coverage, I set out on a mission to warn freedom-loving Americans about the neoconservative threat to our democracy.

Even so, because I'm a Vietnam veteran and lifelong registered Republican, I created a Web site last year that supported Sen. McCain's run for the White House. In May 2008, however, I changed my mind about John's integrity when his campaign team unleashed a Karl Rove-style attack on Barrack Obama's character.

In June, to help offset Republican smear tactics, I launched a new NONPROFIT Web site, www.UnfitMcCain.com.

One of the selectable pages (titled "McCain Necon Ties") details his connection with PNAC and presents information NEW AlterNet visitors deserve to read. But that won't happen because an AlterNet editor playing God decided to remove my comment due to "non-compliance with community policy,"

Unfortunately, AlterNet.org's Web site does NOT explain what constitutes "non-compliance." So I called AlterNet headquarters in San Franciso this morning and left a message expressing my outrage. I'm still waiting for a promised return phone call.

Stay tuned.

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If I were ruler of the world...
Posted by: mercianomad on Aug 6, 2008 10:58 AM   
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I wish avarice were looked down upon as much as being completely destitute is.

Instead we glamorize it. Not to pick on Jay Leno in particular, but as an example, People Magazine loves to talk about his 60-car collection and his various homes, etcetera..."Don't you want a home in Malibu, two in Paris, one in NYC, and a small island near Tahiti?"

Everyone wants so damned much all the time, the world population is going up and up, and there's only so much of the earth to go around. Meanwhile we have people in the very smallest, thinnest sector of society wanting to own enormous amounts of stuff when they already own too much of it. They won't stop or ever be satiated with what they've already got. Too much is never enough. It really is a cancer, this conspicuous consumption bit, and it's not frowned upon at all.

I wish there was such a thing in America as income and property caps. I would even allow people to be rich if I had my say. Keep capitalism, fine, and allow people to get nice and fat and rich, but none of the real over-zealous makes more in a year than the equivalent of what today would be - say - $500,000. How could you feel sorry for someone that makes that much, just because a system limits them from making more? Screw anyone who wants more than that, because that's already way too much.

What on earth do people want to own anyway? What is the appeal to that much stuff? Why isn't it looked down on as a grotesque character trait? And why do people in America think that class is only defined by income? You don't acquire upper class "sophistication" by buying it. Ugh.

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Do you really want to understand and appreciate what Obama will do?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 6, 2008 11:48 AM   
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Wal-Mart Defender To Direct Obama's Economic Policy

Aren't you tired of the SOS from the ruling elite?

Vote Nader

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Flat Fair Tax
Posted by: cyr3n on Aug 6, 2008 11:56 AM   
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14% consumption based tax. period.

it'll never happen because the lawyers and CPAs that have tons of money dont want the system to change because then their knowledge/service is useless.

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Stop The Trickled On Tax Plans
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 PM   
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I'd be happy if it means that I'm no longer being trickled on by the top 2%. I'm really tired of three decades of being trickled on.

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Wrong! We Pay Their Taxes For Them!
Posted by: HeatherC on Aug 7, 2008 4:04 PM   
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Do you really think the rich have ever paid one dime of their own taxes? They simply pass the cost of compliance on to the rest of us. It's the little guy who pays all the taxes. The little guy has no one to pass it on to. Get a clue!

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Boo Hoo...
Posted by: ranchero42 on Aug 7, 2008 7:00 PM   
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Who? I want a list of names. I want to see video of all of them paying their taxes with wheelbarrows full of nickels. In fact I own this reality show idea, none of you bastids better steal it.

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