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America's Middle Class Can't Take Much More Punishment

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted July 23, 2008.


Whether we like it or not, America is in the midst of revolutionary economic changes that are crushing the middle class.
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The following is an adapted version of a recent article by Taibbi. You can read the original version here.

I am a single mother with a 9-year-old boy. To stay warm at night my son and I would pull off all the pillows from the couch and pile them on the kitchen floor. I'd hang a blanket from the kitchen doorway and we'd sleep right there on the floor. By February we ran out of wood and I burned my mother's dining room furniture. I have no oil for hot water. We boil our water on the stove and pour it in the tub. I'd like to order one of your flags and hang it upside down at the capital building we are certainly a country in distress. -- Letter from a single mother in a Vermont city, to Senator Bernie Sanders
A few weeks back, I got a call from someone in the office of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Sanders wanted to tell me about an effort his office had recently made to solicit information about his constituents' economic problems. He sent out a notice on his e-mail list asking Vermont residents to "tell me what was going on in their lives economically." He expected a few dozen letters at best -- but got, instead, more than 700 in the first week alone. Some, like the excerpt posted above, sounded like typical tales of life for struggling single-parent families below the poverty line. More unnerving, however, were the stories Sanders received from people who held one or two or even three jobs, from families in which both spouses held at least one regular job -- in other words, from people one would normally describe as middle-class. For example, this letter came from the owner of his own commercial cleaning service:
My 90-year-old father in Connecticut has recently become ill and asked me to visit him. I want to drop everything I am doing and go visit him, however, I am finding it hard to save enough money to add to the extra gas I'll need to get there. I make more than I did a year ago and I don't have enough to pay my property taxes this quarter for the first time in many years. They are due tomorrow.
This single mother buys clothes from thrift stores and unsuccessfully tried to sell her house to pay for her son's schooling:
I don't go to church many Sundays, because the gasoline is too expensive to drive there. Every thought of an activity is dependent on the cost.
Sanders got letters from working people who have been reduced to eating "cereal and toast" for dinner, from a 71-year-old man who has been forced to go back to work to pay for heating oil and property taxes, from a worker in an oncology department of a hospital who reports that clinically ill patients are foregoing cancer treatments because the cost of gas makes it too expensive to reach the hospital. The recurring theme is that employment, even dual employment, is no longer any kind of barrier against poverty. Not economic discomfort, mind you, but actual poverty. Meaning, having less than you need to eat and live in heated shelter -- forgetting entirely about health care and dentistry, which has long ceased to be considered an automatic component of American middle-class life. The key factors in almost all of the Sanders letters are exploding gas and heating oil costs, reduced salaries and benefits, and sharply increased property taxes (a phenomenon I hear about all across the country at campaign trail stops, something that seems to me to be directly tied to the Bush tax cuts and the consequent reduced federal aid to states). And it all adds up to one thing.

"The middle class is disappearing," says Sanders. "In real ways we're becoming more like a third-world country."

Here's the thing: nobody needs me or Bernie Sanders to tell them that it sucks out there and that times are tougher economically in this country than perhaps they've been for quite a long time. We've all seen the stats -- median income has declined by almost $2,500 over the past seven years, we have a zero personal savings rate in America for the first time since the Great Depression, and 5 million people have slipped below the poverty level since the beginning of the decade. And stats aside, most everyone out there knows what the deal is. If you're reading this and you had to drive to work today or pay a credit card bill in the last few weeks you know better than I do for sure how fucked up things have gotten. I hear talk from people out on the campaign trail about mortgages and bankruptcies and bill collectors that are enough to make your ass clench with 100 percent pure panic.

None of this is a secret. Here, however, is something that is a secret: that this is a class issue that is being intentionally downplayed by a political/media consensus bent on selling the public a version of reality where class resentments, or class distinctions even, do not exist. Our "national debate" is always a thing where we do not talk about things like haves and have-nots, rich and poor, employers versus employees. But we increasingly live in a society where all the political action is happening on one side of the line separating all those groups, to the detriment of the people on the other side.

We have a government that is spending two and a half billion dollars a day in Iraq, essentially subsidizing new swimming pools for the contracting class in northern Virginia, at a time when heating oil and personal transportation are about to join health insurance on the list of middle-class luxuries. Home heating and car ownership are slipping away from the middle class thanks to exploding energy prices -- the hidden cost of the national borrowing policy we call dependency on foreign oil, "foreign" representing those nations, Arab and Chinese, that lend us the money to pay for our wars.

And while we've all heard stories about how much waste and inefficiency there is in our military spending, this is always portrayed as either "corruption" or simple inefficiency, and not what it really is -- a profound expression of our national priorities, a means of taking money from ordinary, struggling people and redistributing it not downward but upward, to connected insiders, who turn your tax money into pure profit.

You want an example? Sanders has a great one for you. The Senator claims that he has been trying for years to increase funding for the Federally Qualified Health Care (FQHC) program, which finances community health centers across the country that give primary health care access to about 16 million Americans a year. He's seeking an additional $798 million for the program this year, which would bring the total appropriation to $2.9 billion, or about what we spend every two days in Iraq.

"But for five billion a year," Sanders insists, "we could provide basic primary health care for every American. That's how much it would cost, five billion."

As it is, though, Sanders has struggled to get any additional funding. He managed to get $250 million added to the program in last year's Labor, Health and Human Services bill, but Bush vetoed the legislation, "and we ended up getting a lot less."

Okay, now, hold that thought. While we're unable to find $5 billion for this simple program, and Sanders had to fight and claw to get even $250 million that was eventually slashed, here's something else that's going on. According to a recent report by the GAO, the Department of Defense has already "marked for disposal" hundreds of millions of dollars worth of spare parts -- and not old spare parts, but new ones that are still on order! In fact, the GAO report claims that over half of the spare parts currently on order for the Air Force -- some $235 million worth, or about the same amount Sanders unsuccessfully tried to get for the community health care program last year -- are already marked for disposal! Our government is buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Defense Department crap just to throw it away!

"They're planning on throwing this stuff away and it hasn't even come in yet," says Sanders.

According to the report, we're spending over $30 million a year, and employing over 1,400 people, just to warehouse all the defense equipment we don't need. For instance -- we already have thousands of unneeded aircraft blades, but 7,460 on the way, at a cost of $2 million, which will join those already earmarked for the waste pile.

This is why you need to pay careful attention when you hear about John McCain claiming that he's going to "look at entitlement program" waste as a means of solving the budget crisis, or when you tune into the debate about the "death tax." We are in the midst of a political movement to concentrate private wealth into fewer and fewer hands while at the same time placing more and more of the burden for public expenditures on working people. If that sounds like half-baked Marxian analysis well, shit, what can I say? That's what's happening. Repealing the estate tax (the proposal to phase it out by the year 2010 would save the Walton family alone $30 billion) and targeting "entitlement" programs for cuts while continually funneling an ever-expanding treasure trove of military appropriations down the befouled anus of pointless war profiteering, government waste and North Virginia McMansions -- this is all part of a conversation we should be having about who gets what share of the national pie. But we're not going to have that conversation, because we're going to spend this fall mesmerized by the typical media-generated distractions, yammering about whether or not Michelle Obama's voice is too annoying, about flag lapel pins, about Jeremiah Wright and other such idiotic bullshit.

Bernie Sanders is one of the few politicians out there smart enough and secure enough to understand that the future of American politics is necessarily going to involve some pretty frank and contentious confrontations. The phony blue-red divide, which has been buoyed for years by some largely incidental geographical disagreements over religion and other social issues, is going to give way eventually to a real debate grounded in a brutal economic reality increasingly common to all states, red and blue.

Our economic reality is as brutal as it is for a simple reason: whether we like it or not, we are in the midst of revolutionary economic changes. In the kind of breathtakingly ironic development that only real life can imagine, the collapse of the Soviet Union has allowed global capitalism to get into the political unfreedom business, turning China and the various impoverished dictatorships and semi-dictatorships of the third world into the sweatshop of the earth. This development has cut the balls out of American civil society by forcing the export abroad of our manufacturing economy, leaving us with a service/managerial economy that simply cannot support the vast, healthy middle class our government used to work very hard to both foster and protect. The Democratic party that was once the impetus behind much of these changes, that argued so eloquently in the New Deal era that our society would be richer and more powerful overall if the spoils were split up enough to create a strong base of middle class consumers -- that party panicked in the years since Nixon and elected to pay for its continued relevance with corporate money. As a result the entire debate between the two major political parties in our country has devolved into an argument over just how quickly to dismantle the few remaining benefits of American middle-class existence -- immediately, if you ask the Republicans, and only slightly less than immediately, if you ask the Democrats.

The Republicans wanted to take Social Security, the signature policy underpinning of the middle class, and put it into private accounts -- which is a fancy way of saying that they wanted to take a huge bundle of American taxpayer cash and invest it in the very companies, the IBMs and Boeings and GMs and so on, that are exporting our jobs abroad. They want the American middle class to finance its very own impoverishment! The Democrats say no, let's keep Social Security more or less as is, and let that impoverishment happen organically.

Now we have a new set of dire problems in the areas of home ownership and exploding energy prices. In both of these matters the basic dynamic is transnational companies raiding the cash savings of the middle class. Because those same companies finance the campaigns of our politicians, we won't hear much talk about getting private industry to help foot the bill to pay for these crises, or forcing the energy companies to cut into their obscene profits for the public good. We will, however, hear talk about taxpayer-subsidized bailouts and various irrelevancies like McCain's gas tax holiday (an amusing solution -- eliminate taxes collected by government in order to pay for taxes collected by energy companies). Ultimately, however, you can bet that when the middle class finally falls all the way down, and this recession becomes something even worse, necessity will force our civil government -- if anything remains of it by then -- to press for the only real solution.

"Corporate America is going to have to reinvest in our society," says Sanders. "It's that simple."

These fantasy elections we've been having -- overblown sports contests with great production values, decided by haircuts and sound bytes and high-tech mudslinging campaigns -- those were sort of fun while they lasted, and were certainly useful in providing jerk-off pundit-dickheads like me with high-paying jobs. But we just can't afford them anymore. We have officially spent and mismanaged our way out of la-la land and back to the ugly place where politics really lives -- a depressingly serious and desperate argument about how to keep large numbers of us from starving and freezing to death. Or losing our homes, or having our cars repossessed. For a long time America has been too embarrassed to talk about class; we all liked to imagine ourselves in the wealthy column, or at least potentially so, flush enough to afford this pissing away of our political power on meaningless game-show debates once every four years. The reality is much different, and this might be the year we're all forced to admit it.

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Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

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With Democrats Like These Who Needs Enemies?
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2008 12:25 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's clear that the current configuration of the Democratic Party has little to nothing for real progressives or liberals except that it is not John McCain. The rest is business as usual with the usual suspects totally corrupted in their Chairmanships.

""Our government is buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Defense Department crap just to throw it away!""
And much of that waste is coming from Democratic Districts from funds earmarked by Democrats. Think John Murtha Chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee.

When is the last time we heard the Dems say " We need to cut the military budget" or "We need to close some of those 750 military bases overseas." or "We need to eliminate weapons that were designed for the Cold War"

Wall Street now gives the Dems more contributions than Republicans and we see from Barney Frank (Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.) and Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee) their money has been well spent as tax payers are bailing out banks, brokerages, investment banks and insurance companies. What the public doesn't know, no one does is how bad the loans Fannie, Freddie and the Fed bought from these thieves. The estimate is already in the hundreds of billions ... look for over a trillion dollars of tax payers money to be spent bailing out billionaires ! ! !

What have we heard of Health Care Reform other than more use of insurance companies without any bargaining with Big Pharma. Why can't we have Medicare for everyone, the insurance companies get the healthy while the tax payer picks up the tab for the elderly , the young and the poor. When is the last time you heard the Democrats say we need a health Care Plan like all the other industrialized nations so that 50% of our bankruptcies aren't caused by health care costs?

When is the last time you heard the Democrats say that there is too much media concentration and we are going to break up these Media Conglomerates?

Unless and until there is a real debate about progressive and liberal ideas the left will be the red headed stepchild of the Democratic Party Machine. Unless and until the Democratic business as usual crowd gets the message there will be no real change, just different puppeteers pulling the strings.

As Matt Taibbi puts it so well :

"As a result the entire debate between the two major political parties in our country has devolved into an argument over just how quickly to dismantle the few remaining benefits of American middle-class existence -- immediately, if you ask the Republicans, and only slightly less than immediately, if you ask the Democrats."

Vote Green, early and often ...

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» Not yet.... Posted by: jlohman
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» RE: Not yet.... Why Not ? Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: Not yet.... Why Not ? Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Not yet.... Why Not ? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» I don't know, Zeek 2. Posted by: mcartri
The Onion said the same thing
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jul 23, 2008 1:12 AM   
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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/
recession_plagued_nation_demands

(paste 2 lines together in your browser)

In Satire lies Truth.

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» RE: The Onion said the same thing Posted by: douglashoyt
It is time to change their ways to thrive
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 23, 2008 1:21 AM   
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The problem with the middle class is middle class expectations. The idea that everyone can have a monster home, several cars, a university education, tons of food, eat out six days a week in restaurants, have cable, internet, etc., lots of clothes, private health insurance, and drive for miles and miles, day in, day out, just doesn't work anymore. And nor should it: it is a wasteful and unhealthy way of life.

If people started to make significant changes to their lifestyles, they would start to thrive. A simple list is this:

1) get to somewhere where you can walk or cycle to work and the shops
2) just buy less
3) buy quality only (things that last a long time)
4) save every month and build up a savings pot
5) eat fresh and healthy food and get fit. That will lead to fewer medical appointments
6) only work for employers who pay for training and or education
7) move: if where you are can't provide for this way of life, move. Americans have always moved when it is necessary.
8) stop supporting tax-grabbing measures by Democrats

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» Excellent point! Posted by: Bobsays
» Change Their Ways troll Posted by: penstamen
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Investing Social Security Trust Fund Money
Posted by: Capitalist Pig on Jul 23, 2008 3:44 AM   
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The Republicans wanted to take Social Security, the signature policy underpinning of the middle class, and put it into private accounts -- which is a fancy way of saying that they wanted to take a huge bundle of American taxpayer cash and invest it in the very companies, the IBMs and Boeings and GMs and so on, that are exporting our jobs abroad.

The US Govt is the only pension fund manager in the world that can get away with investing solely in US government securities. Big institutional money (which is mainly union pension funds and university endowments) invests mostly in equities with a slice of money in higher risk investments like hedge funds and venture capital. The Social Security Trust Fund should be invested in equities; it would give better returns to Social Security and force more fiscal discipline on Congress.

Canada's version of Social Security is run with the same discipline as a private pension fund: http://www.cppib.ca/

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IF ANDREW CARNEGIE SUPPORTED A 100% ESTATE TAX...WAS HE A COMMIE TOO !??!!!
Posted by: jay diamond on Jul 23, 2008 3:48 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Look at THIS:

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/rbannis1
/AIH19th/Carnegie.html

Hey Sean Dummity and the rest of the right-wing lying low-lifes out there. If ANDREW CARNEGIE, THE Greatest Capitalist Who Ever Lived, denounced hoarding wealth after death and recommended either giving it away or having it TAXED away, who the heck are Low-Brow AM RADIO LOW-LIFES with ZERO EDUCATION to tell Andrew Carnegie he's wrong !!??

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When The Levee Breaks: The Katrina Model, Disaster Becomes America...
Posted by: gazooks on Jul 23, 2008 3:50 AM   
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... a streaming flood of debt driven pain, poverty, hunger, and homelessness inundating America.

Battered by a relentless tide of corruption, a gale of malfeasance, our mal-engineered and neglected economic levee collapses while political impotence and indifference surges.

A howling wind of alligator shock shrieks throughout Capitol Hill as the stench of rotting lies sweeps down Pennsylvania Avenue and into the alleys of the disenfranchised.

But wait, in the sky, a hovering emblem of promise and hope chatters. It dances merrily on the media breeze and swoops in a smile and a wave of the hand.

No, no not a wave now as it transforms to a single, jeering digit of scorn... then away. Promises gone.

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Massive Improvement on The Author's Pathetic 9/11 Hatchet Job
Posted by: opmoc on Jul 23, 2008 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"These fantasy elections we've been having -- overblown sports contests with great production values, decided by haircuts and sound bytes and high-tech mudslinging campaigns -- those were sort of fun while they lasted, and were certainly useful in providing jerk-off pundit-dickheads like me with high-paying jobs."

Can't really argue with that.

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the bankers are now doing to family homes what they first did to family farms
Posted by: Suzon on Jul 23, 2008 4:03 AM   
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The thief who is poor is limited to what he can steal. The thief that is rich can steal from everyone.

The people to go after are the politicians as they are the enablers.

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» RE: Corp owned Housing??? Posted by: Purple Girl
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Beth
Posted by: beefee on Jul 23, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. And after we start getting the media to discuss our economy as it really is, let's start to see pictures of this war. See if the American public who has allowed itself to gourge on celebrity and has wasted its own resources by calling the government "they" instead of "us", wake up before it is too late for the decline to be irreversible. We've been fat and happy for too long and we have no one but ourselves to blame. WE are the government. Greed goes a long way to destroy a society and like all great societies, it has us by the ass.

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A Sign O the times...
Posted by: wileect on Jul 23, 2008 5:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think we're seeing a gradual decimation of the Middle Class. I think it was an eventuality. We have the most tax burden, and few options or escape clauses.
Capitalism has ran to it's most extreme, with people seeking profit above all things. When it's not about the customer, the employees, it's just about the almighty dollar. Get Rich, stay rich, and make sure your money doesn't get taxed.
It's saddening that the country that came up with the New Deal, and other social programs, won't insure small children or insure that our schools don't have to fight like dogs for funding via testing.
WE are the richest country in the world, yet we give our citizens the least for the amount of taxes that we impose.
I wasn't really against the war until I saw the treatment of some of the veterans who came back.

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Zombie America taken to the cleaner... Thanks Mindfuck Inc. !
Posted by: TFYQA on Jul 23, 2008 5:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In a country where liberalism = socialism = communism ; what da F do you expect when the concept of Class War rears it's ugly head ?

Who wants to be remembered that our happy few 1% owns 80 of the wealth or that 5% of our wealthiest owns 83% of Wall Street's shares.

Greg Palast nailed this topic in his : "Today's Pig is Tomorrow's Bacon" Google it for size !

Now does the time spent on the woes of those poor bastish every night on any business report sound disproportionate ? Not in a plutocracy buba ! So stop your whining, get a third job and prepare for the worst, cause … There's no way to delay that trouble coming everyday !

Meanwhile…

GOING UP !
Top 1% share of total income
Income gap between rich and poor
Foreign debt as a percent of GDP
Age at which one can receive Social Security
Hunger
Consumer credit debt
Housing foreclosures
Severe poverty rate

GOING DOWN !
Real income
Real manufacturing wages
Percent of single women and mothers in the workforce
The bottom 40%'s share of national wealth
Older families with pensions.
Workers covered by defined benefit pensions.
The savings rate
US manufacturing jobs

ALSO...
Protest restricted/ignored
Dissenter labeled terrorist/traitor
False-flags
Elections suspect
Leaders benefit from wars/disasters
Use of propaganda/lies & partisan mass-media
Claims that War is needed for everchanging false reasons
Secret/extrajudicial/torture camps
Curtailed/suspended civil rights/liberties
Wiretap/intercept/surveillance net
Stealthily expands int'nl influence/power
Judiciary/Opposition ineffective/ignored
Legislation to defy Constitution

BTW, have you noticed that the good guys always win execpt on the news ?

MINDFUCK INC.

Serving our interest, whatever !

"The tyrant, who in order to hold his power, suppresses every superiority, does away with good men, forbids education and light, controls every movement of the citizens and, keeping them under a perpetual servitude, wants them to grow accustomed to baseness and cowardice, has his spies everywhere to listen to what is said in the meetings, and spreads dissension and calumny among the citizens and impoverishes them, is obliged to make war in order to keep his subjects occupied and impose on them permanent need of a chief." - Aristotle

EXECUTIVE RESUME
http://whitenoise.webnode.com/

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Send this article to everyone you know
Posted by: eksommer on Jul 23, 2008 5:32 AM   
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This is the best explanation and analysis of the current situation in the United States that I have read to date.

The fault of our current dilemma lies with ordinary citizens who have been lulled into zombie land by the availability of cheap entertainment and until recently inexpensive resources such as water, gasoline, and food. Our economy is fueled by meaningless consumption and vapid entertainment. It is our fault that the media can afford to pay Angelina and Brad $11 million for photos of their babies.

Who cares? Obviously enough of us to be able to sell millions of tabloids with the photos. Let's stop wasting money on entertainment opiates. Let's get out in our communities and do something. Find community based ways to get your jollies. Stop paying big media for getting your mind off your drudge job, mounting bills, and bleak economic outlook.

We're making them rich. Let's get out of Iraq and back into a sensible lifestyle where the media conglomerates and the banks and ersatz food companies and the corrupt insurance companies are no longer running our lives.

We have the power. It's in our hard-earned incomes--what is left of it.

But we may be in too deep. The conundrum is that our economy has become dependent on consumerism, and so just like the alcoholic or drug addict, we must go through a period of withdrawal. It will feel worse before it gets better.

It is worth the effort. Resist paying to look at the spawn of the stars. Look at your own kids instead, or the children of your neighbors or relatives--if you have wisely chosen not to have any children.

Look at them and envision their futures. Then decide if you want to support their demise by buying a tabloid today or by tuning into a mindless television show about overpaid celebrities.

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Get The Lawyers Out of Congress!
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 23, 2008 5:35 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Then shut down 1/3rd of the US law schools

for starters....

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Corpirates 10 Trillion, Middle Class 0.
Posted by: williameon on Jul 23, 2008 5:40 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Phony: Media, Government, Mortgage Companies, Bankers & Schlock Market.

It’s all for me and none for you!
You’ll get your pie in the sky after a little trip to a CIA water park.
Get the message?
You've been privatized, outsourced, spied on, lied to, terrorized, beaten, poisoned and imprisoned, by
The Corpirates.
Dead Eye Chews puppies and spits out propaganda while The Chimp
Gets drunk, dances the gig and pisses on the World.
The Corpirates are imploding from within
GREEDY
Billionaire
PARISITES!
They want to take you to
Davy Jones Locker!
Stand aside and wave good riddance.
See you in Sing Sing!
Your last stop before Hell!
The Puppet Show is over.

SURGE
PURGE
UPDATE and
REBOOT!

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Quit complaining.....
Posted by: nomoreblinders on Jul 23, 2008 5:45 AM   
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...to those in government, that is. You're setting yourself up for more social programs and taxes to 'help' you! It's about time we approach 'not enough money' the sensible way. Earn a paycheck? Look at the deductions column....what's the highest deduction there?....oh yeah, the Federal Tax.....now this may surprise some, or others reading this may shake their heads and laugh, even curse, saying I'm a nut case or un-American, whatever that is. No, I'm a nurse residing in Ohio that is fed up with idiots!...THERE IS NO LAW REQUIRING THE AVERAGE WORKER IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO PAY A DIRECT TAX ON THEIR LABOR. Period! That's ME, and i'lll bet that's you, too. We're being STOLEN from, people and NO ONE CARES!! Our forefathers went crazy over a few percent tax on tea...enough so to cause a revolt----and yet we're being RAPED with upwards of 40% tax and we sit back and do nothing!! Hearing people whine to senators, etc. is soooo disappointing and pointless!....they don't care for you!!!! I'll let you in on a secret (THEY want MORE of your money)!! We have to care for each other, and for the TRUTH....As a nurse working 3 12 hr shifts a week, getting paid every 2 weeks (72 hrs), the gov takes 425.00 from me (not counting state, city taxes, social security). I can help a lot of folks with an extra 850.00 a month-----get where I'm going? We'd have MORE for our families if we weren't being stolen from. Watch and LISTEN over and over again to the lady in red.......she's my hero...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuxc2rl38rg

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What Can the Middle Class Take?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 23, 2008 5:50 AM   
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Let me begin by saying that I agree with most of what I read in this article. However, the title kept bringing thoughts into my mind such as:

Before 1990, what did the middle class in Iraq think they could stand? Surely not what they have lived through since then.

In 1948, what did the middle class in Palestine think they could live through? Or the middle class in Vietnam or Cambodia.

These examples show how very bad things can actually get and somehow people still survive. Whether people can remain middle class is another thing, however.

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Oh Taibbi, You're a Conspiracy Theorist
Posted by: fedupwiththings on Jul 23, 2008 6:06 AM   
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You're such a conspiracy theorist. There hasn't been a plan to rid the nation of its manufacturing base and squeeze the middle class. This isn't some secret plan by the rich to take all our money. You must be in a dream world.

Alright, enough of that stuff I just said. I just wanted to prove that what the left is saying about the economy and especially the war in Iraq with the deliberate manipulation of intelligence to go to war is a conspiracy theory. It is not just incompetence but deliberate intent to do harm and commit crimes against the American people and the World.

Now that we have got that out of the way, it still doesn't make sense for the left and alternet (and especially Taibbi) to be so combative and hostile towards people who are trying to find the truth out about 9/11. The 9/11 Truth Movement has facts just like these about the economy and the war that proves at the very least government complicity and at the most, government involvement, along with other governments, on multiple levels.

It's time you stop calling people who want to find the truth about 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" and start realizing that conspiracies do happen as the left so readily admits with their belief that intelligence was intentionally manipulated to go to war with Iraq and for their oil (that is to keep it in the ground). Same with the economy. I agree with all of this. I just don't know why you cowards (not all of you) are so reticent to investigate 9/11 further and realize that if they can help kill over 4,000 of their own soldiers and over 1 million Iraqis, what makes you think they're going to care about 3,000? Hell, if you guys know now, the Gulf of Tonkin was staged and over 50,000 U.S. soldiers died in Vietnam for it. People in power don't care about you on multiple levels and especially about your life. Remember that. Oh yeah, political party doesn't matter either since both are controlled by the wealthy elite.

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» Is that satire, opomoc? Posted by: Smackback
"Conditions on the Ground"...OURS!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 23, 2008 6:28 AM   
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I am so nauseated and outraged everytime I hear that Phrase. We have spent (and are indebted to foreign countries) Trillions to hand Iraq all our assets and apparently Freedoms. the US looks more & More like Saddams Iraq everytime I open a Website or turn on the TV.
'The Surge is Working' is another infuriating statement. 'working' at what bringing US to our knees Economically!
I never had any doubt this fiasco in the M.E. was in the name of Oil Profits and Acquistion, but have been dismayed that the ultimate Goal was to End the International Influence and civil liberties of the United States,relegating US to an Backward ass country- economically and Jusidicially.
No Cave Dwelling Saudi Son could have caused the devastation which has been committed during the last 7 yrs with more precision and scope.When W. Claimed 'they hate us for our Freedoms' I knew this was an attempt to deceive the country. the targets were purely those of the MIC which cause the attacks on 9/11- by their global Stratedgy - if not their direct assistance. The Actions of this Admin, congress,SCOTUS and the Corps points to WHO actually has Hated Our Freedoms and Power as a Nation.These are the Enemy Combatants who should be arrested, inflicted with 'interrogation techniques' and imprisoned without the benefit of Habis Corpus!

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AMEN!!
Posted by: Animal on Jul 23, 2008 6:29 AM   
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I don't read tabloids or watch anything about celebs. I can't stand 99.99% of reality TV. I prefer the History Channel over the majority of what the networks put out.

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GOD IS PUNISHING AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR TAKING EVERYTHING FOR GRANTED !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 23, 2008 6:30 AM   
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And by the way, the term "middle class" has been redefined over the decades. Today's "middle class" is far worse than the 1950s lower class.

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So?
Posted by: PakiBoy on Jul 23, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Isn't this what the people wanted? Why else would they have voted for same parties and politicians again and again and again and...

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If The Middle Class Disappears Or Gets Eliminated Or Wiped Out....
Posted by: Animal on Jul 23, 2008 6:46 AM   
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I just wonder who the business types and their politician buddies think will buy the cars, the computers, the DVD players, the Ipods, the designer clothes, health insurance, etc, if/when 70-90% of America is either unemployed or working for fast food and/or WalMart type wages? The poor certainly can't afford them. Ultimately they'll be fucking themselves over. I guarantee if this keeps up, every restaurant, every movie theatre, every music/video/book/toy/liquor/jewelry store, every bar/nightclub, and other business not selling a product or service that's absoluely needed to survive will suffer. Most will either have to close or lay off staff, creating even more unemployment. What happens to them?

I'm afraid that barring a MAJOR improvement, that things are gonna get very ugly and very violent in this country. I'm betting that we're looking at a revolution and/or civil war within the next decade. Certainly serious and violent upheaval. America is now a powder keg waiting to explode.

I've said this before and I'll say this again. I advise all those who don't currently own a gun to buy at least one and learn how to use it. Stock up on durable food, water, medical supplies, and ammo- preferably the standard NATO round of 7.62mm for rifles and 9mm for handguns. Also invest strongly in precious metals, because the dollar is about to become worth less than toilet paper- we should take note of what just happened in Zimbabwe with their introduction of a 100 billion dollar bill. The 1923 German Deutschemark had more value than that.

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Not all dems, not all republicans. Only the ones in office
Posted by: reelectnoone on Jul 23, 2008 6:58 AM   
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There will always be a Congress and it will always be comprised of parties. It is not the name they are known by that matters...it is who has bought their seat for them that matters.

Since most of today's members are bought and paid for by Big Business, most need to go regardless of their party.

The only chance the middle class has is to unite behind one idea. Re Elect No One and voting in the "underdogs" new members will earn a respect for the voter they have long since lost.

Big Business will tire of funding people who lose or can't be bought. But it is up to those of us who own the one thing politicians can't do without, our votes, to take control of our own futures. Tune out the political ads. Those are paid for by BB. Vote for the guy who can't afford those ads because he is more likely on your side.

It's YOUR choice America...keep putting the same greedy people back and it will just get worse.

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Corporations are evil in human hands
Posted by: nfamous on Jul 23, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Corporations are not evil in and of themselves but when in the hands of greedy and unscrupulous men, the vast majority of which are white, there is no end to the collateral damage they can and do cause to make their corporations immortal. I believe white men see corporations as their legacy, a piece of them that lives on after they die. The irony of this is that corporations are killing all of us so eventually there will no one left to run them. The nation-state system born out of Europe and all of its accouterments are bad for people. White people do not know what is best for them but refuse to listen to the sagacity of others.

The US deserves to become a third world country because we have been on the top for too long while the rest of the world suffered, bled and died. Just looking at some of the responses that suggest living a more meager lifestyle below make me sick. That is not the solution. We are the problem. Americans allow their government to perpetrate evil all over the planet and many tacitly support it in the name of patriotism that is really nativism, a by-product of the stupid and anti-humanist nation-state system. Now our silence to the screams of our brothers and sisters overseas are coming home to haunt us. I, for one, applaud it.

I laugh when I see how middle and lower class whites have been betrayed by the elite. White privilege has become green privilege in this country. Skin matters less and less and green matters more and more. What are those whites doing in response to this new racial dynamic? Predictably they are projecting their anger, hatred and resentment of the elite onto nonwhites like blacks, Arabs, Indians and Mexicans. It's always been like this and will not change as long as whites are in charge. It's almost as if whites want to die and take everyone else with them.

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» RE: Corporations are evil in human hands Posted by: anonymous black writer
I Know It's Borderline Futile, But.....
Posted by: DaPoorChimp on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM   
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.....I think I'll just keep saying it anyway and hoping for a socio-political miracle. Let's make it our policy, with very few exceptions, to vote the incumbents OUT of office each time, every time, every election. And let's vote IN minor party candidates and independents, people who haven't yet had the opportunity to become corrupted by the loot being stuffed into politicians' pockets by the lobbyists for the vested/monied interests (that ain't most of us, by the way).
Then, next election, let's vote THEM out too, as many will surely have succumbed to Green Fever or the lust for power in their 2, 4 or 6 years in office.

The professional office-holders simply must get it through their business-as-usual heads that millions of us are mad as hell, and we're not gonna take it much longer, and that their cushy jobs (sinecures?) are very much at stake. If most of us screwed up at our jobs like these people seem to be screwing up at theirs, we'd have long since been escorted off the premises by security and asked never to return. By re-electing them (what's the rate of returning incumbents to office nowadays? 95%? Are 95% of them really doing that good a job?) over and over and over, we allow them to come to the inevitable conclusion that their actions/inactions will have NO serious personal consequences. Is that the message we really want or need to be sending just now?

How long would we have to keep this up? I don't know, but not long, I suspect. What do you think will happen the first time 95% of them are NOT returned to office?

I think that if we don't begin now to take some rather drastic actions (benign, orderly, kinda corporate protests and petitions being viewed, it seems, as mostly toothless and eminently ignorable), then the middle class in this country is an endangered species, and a viable middle class, near as I can tell, is the backbone of a strong, civil society.
We need to put a stop to this deterioration of the middle before it comes to blood.

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Corporate Media, Corporate America and Congress
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 23, 2008 7:15 AM   
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You will never get media to take an objective look at how big corporate America has dominated government and ruined Americans lives.

Not only is media part of big corporate America, they make all of their money from advertising from big corporate America. As long as that connection is there, you can forget about corporate objectivity. That is why we get boatloads of crime shows with drunk drivers and violent offenders and nothing regarding corporate crime.

Even someone like Bernie Sanders has spent so much time in the Congressional Corporate whorehouse that it sounds like he is unsure what is really happening to the average American. At least he cares, unlike 98% of the rest of Congress.

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Finland vs. U.S.A.
Posted by: BigRon on Jul 23, 2008 7:46 AM   
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I was in Helsinki not long back. If you think you've got "economic problems", they barely compare. At the end of WW2, Finland was saddled with substantial reparations (ironic, as their "crime" had been to fight off an invasion by the Russians that took place before WW2 and continued through it.) A sizeable chunk of Finland's economy was devoted to paying off the debt, and even when the debt was paid off, the to economies were inextricably linked. So when the Rouble collapsed... The Finnish economy went down the pan at the same time. Mass bankruptcies, mass redundancies. Not something the Finns could have forseen nor avoided. Potentially a situation as bad as the worst days of the 1930's. But.. FINLAND IS NOT THE USA!

Rather than adopting "If the lazy bums just LOOKED for work, they wouldn't be unemployed!" viewpoint, they took a "there but for the Grace of God, go I" attitude. Taxes were hiked sharply (for those still lucky enough to have jobs) and there were few complaints: "We're all in the same boat". School canteens provided universal free meals for ALL kids, 364 days a year. (If you're a kid and it's luchtime, you don't head for McDonalds - you head for the nearest school - even if it's not the one you attend, even if it's the middle of the holidays.) The government also hiked maternity pay: two years paid leave for each child born (get pregnant during the two years, they just add on another two years.After three kids, the amount you get paid INCREASES! This served a double purpose: Finland's population was falling (now it started climbing again!) And parents who are at home looking after kids aren't looking for other work - if they being paid enough. The measures put in place fixed the problem: Finland's a nice place to live. It could easily have suffered from the kind of problems that often arise when the factory closes in a "one factory town": rises in street and domestic violence, family breakdown...

But, as I said, Finland isn't the USA. They didn't have "why should I care about some other b*stards problems??" They didn't see it as an opportunity for the rich to get richer on the back of unavoidable misery (from the security of their "gated communities"). They didn't regard tax rises as some kind of work inspired by the AntiChrist. In fact, curiously, they adopted many of the ideas espoused by Jesus, rather then the weird "Jesus wants us to get rich quick" ideas of America's "Christians".

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Corporations are evil by LAW
Posted by: witchjug on Jul 23, 2008 8:29 AM   
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The CEO of a corporation is obligated to increase stock share value by not only the board of directors (large corp. shareholders) but also by FEDERAL LAW. In fact hundreds of federal and state laws exist that are at odds with each other. Some support the idea of protecting shareholders investment while others support ideals of ethics and transparency. Guess which ones get violated? Guess what the most common defense is when they are caught? So when XYZ incorporated has to choose between using an American work force and an Indonesian work force which way is the CEO OBLIGATED to go? In short corporations are simply doing what they were designed to do - increase share value. As regulatory law has been stripped away (going on since almost immediately after regulatory laws of the 1930s were created) citizens / consumers have paid a heavy price. And as all things are finite what we are seeing now is all the edges are starting to touch and the biggest corporations in the country will fail as they have bled the very consumers they sell to, to death.

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"Great Grampa, What's A Middle Class?"
Posted by: Animal on Jul 23, 2008 9:07 AM   
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"Well my great grandson, it was what Americans aspired to when I was your age, when there were jobs that payed enough that we could all hope to have our own house and car, not the cardboard and wooden shacks we live in now. We could look forward to our children being able to attend college with financial help with the tuition, and get good paying jobs when they graduated. Then the big corporate business owners, speculators, and their friends got the drop on us, started shipping jobs to countries where they could get away with paying workers only 5 cents an hour, then they started jacking up gas prices, which caused food and heating costs to go thru the roof until most Americans were reduced to poverty. My parents cried when they lost our house and they had to compete with illegals for minimum wage jobs at Burger King...."

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Yeah, but we are just a bunch of WHINERS!
Posted by: Jacquie420 on Jul 23, 2008 9:09 AM   
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McCain's good ol' boy Gramm says we are a bunch of whiners which justifies my belief that our 'leaders' (thats an oxymoron) are so out of touch with the majority of Americans. They live a fantasy life separate from us. As we 'whine' because we can't buy groceries, gasoline, or pay our bills they continue to live the lavish life. If gas went up to 20 dollars a gallon it wouldn't cause them to blink an eye.

Gramm comment was only a few words- but it spoke volumes!!!! Like the bumper sticker says IF YOU AREN'T OUTRAGED YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION.

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divided, and therefore conquered!!!
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Jul 23, 2008 9:16 AM   
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Since the assassination of J.F.K.,THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN AT WAR AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! We no longer have a government of, by and for the people, but a government, of, by, and for special privilege!!! America, "has no class", let alone a middle class!!! If your not of the ruling elite, your just a slave to the system, the more that you make, the more they'll take, until they have it all!!! The middle class, joined the elite when they were getting rich at the expense of others, with the war against drugs...and now that they have divided America, with money and special privilege, the middle class is the only ones with enough money, to perpetuate the addicted greed of the elite!!! It has become time to outlaw class distinction altogether, and give the bill, for all of the worlds problems to the rich, till there are no rich/ elite no more!!! For they have created this debt, by dividing!!!

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We need game-changing ideas
Posted by: jimprues on Jul 23, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Yes, we know the Dems are little better than the Repubs - it's all about Fascism and Kleptocracy.

But there are glimmers of a new world view.

World 5.0
http://world5.org

peace, hope and love. They're already here, we just need to tap in.

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» RE: We need game-changing ideas Posted by: mike montagne
Biggest Problems
Posted by: KevinJames on Jul 23, 2008 9:27 AM   
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I think the biggest problems in our country like the article stated is that the real problems are never addressed until it is too late. I blame a lot of this on our so called leaders who are really serving their own interests and I also blame the media. More and more you are seeing dumb issues become more important than the real issues. I know some people says well it the people's fault that they are in the situations they are in. I think those people need to understand not everybody has the same background, education, or knowledge they may have. So before you look down on people you should be happy that you have some knowledge of financial management and second you should try and spread your knowledge to the disadvantaged people who would really appreciate it. I have always believe there should be courses in financial management in high school. It is sad but the average American does not know how to manage their finances which is sad. We put more emphasis on spending and this illusion of a lifestyle that most people can not afford. The marketing people sells this idea of an American dream that a lot of people buy into but they never give you the American nightmare. In conclusion, I just wish people in power stop thinking that we can not handle the truth and stop lying to us.

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» RE: Biggest Problems Posted by: Knot_Rich
Be citizens, not "consumers"
Posted by: redceres on Jul 23, 2008 9:32 AM   
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Democracy and capitalism are not the same thing.

Capitalism and corporate welfare are not the same thing.

Citizenship and consumption are not the same thing.

Oh, and "business" and "culture/society/civilization" are NOT the same thing.

We have allowed ourselves to be bought and sold for the sake of minor, meaningless comforts. I can get behind the idea of, say, air conditioning (forgive me) as a glorious luxury, but owning and frequently replacing a collection of enormously expensive shoes as a RIGHT?

The promotion of the idea that there is an entire gender chiefly characterized by the urge to SHOP?

The acceptance that the most important segment of our society is (somehow, miraculously, considering the inordinate power of the rich) BUSINESS, so that the rest of us--say, in arts, education, and humanities--have to continually prove our worth using models from the business community (excuse me--INPUT? OUTCOMES?) that will obviously completely fail to note the crucial features of who we are and what we do as they force us to provide plenty of fodder to those who would disempower and destroy us? I'm sorry, but if one more person asks me to identify an "objective" for an arts project, I will scream.

Just yesterday on WPR, the Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor--the head of the state arts board and hailed as our chief defender-- was on. You would have thought that you were listening to a !@#!$ economist. One example of the brilliance she had to offer? The arts "help to train the kind of creative thinkers that our business leaders demand."

So the !@#!$ what. I never heard so many artists and educators blather on about how their funding shouldn't be cut because we're training good workers and consumers. Every single giddy idiot who called was proud to explain how his or her art class/project/institution was training the BEST darn little bees for the hive that WlMart could ever hope for.

You cannot accept the framing of the enemy and expect to be treated with respect.

The business community in this country is so full of its own self importance that it can't even recognize that it is WRECKING this country and everything in it.

And, by the way, I am a citizen, not a consumer. Anybody noticed that Americans are just about exclusively referred to as "consumers" on the news, unless there's some moralizing about sex and god going on?

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"Revolutionary economic changes" my ass
Posted by: willymack on Jul 23, 2008 9:38 AM   
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Call it what it REALY is: Grand theft.

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 23, 2008 10:23 AM   
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In 1892, the Peoples Party platform said, we are becoming a nation of two classes, millionaires and tramps [homeless migrant workers]. It is repeating and Sanders is right. It is also interesting that Sanders is not even permitted to state his party, but must go by "Independent". He is a Socialist, one of two parties whose presence in seats of power is necessary for a democratic government, the other being Greens.

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Since when is the single mother the measure of an economic system?
Posted by: billwald on Jul 23, 2008 10:34 AM   
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In other words, why should the average single mother living on her own NOT be on the poverty end of the bell curve? Isn't there an economic advantage to having two adults in one household?

What economic system except communism or extreme socialism is geared towards the single mother? Should married people and people without dependents subsidize single mothers?

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» Probably correct Posted by: billwald
The middle class is a failed experiment
Posted by: billwald on Jul 23, 2008 10:37 AM   
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In the history of the world, our large middle class is a 100 year experiment that has failed. We are reverting to the world norm.

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Finally
Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jul 23, 2008 10:45 AM   
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It's good to finally see somebody mention something I've mentioned a few times, property taxes, and although Tabbi is partially correct in that some increases have resulted from a decrease in funds received by the local taxing authorities she hasn't hit the worst of it. Property taxes are most often levied by local juristictions, states take income and sales taxes, counties and school districts tax property. Here's why I believe we don't hear much about property taxes, I see whining here about not enough money for the schools, but guess what, look at who pays for most of the school expenses, and who pays to construct those fancy buildings. Bingo, Mr. and Mrs. home owner and local businesses thru property taxes. I'd venture to bet that most areas are just like here and everywhere else I've been and seen, school property taxes far exceed any other property taxes. During good years people don't care, "It's only a few dollars" and "It's for the children". But school administrators grow accustomed to being able to constantly increase taxes and unrestrained spending, and when things get tight they find it impossible to go on a diet. So they continue to tax more, and everyone should know what happens to your home if you can no longer afford the taxes. Yep, you'll learn rather quick who really owns your property.
Another major cause of property tax increases is, surely you've heard of them, unfunded mandates. Everybody wants the government to do this or that for them, give me day care for my kids, wash my car, whatever, and they squeal to their federal and state representatives, who in a frenzy to get re-elected promise a chicken in every pot, then pass the responsibility down to the local governments to pay for and implement it. That way, it's your local council member who takes the beating for raising taxes while those farther up the chain come off looking good. People never stop to think, EVERY new service or benefit they demand from the government comes with a price tag, and most of it comes right out of the pockets of middle class America. Nothing is free from the government folks, we all pay.
Another major cause of property tax increases is job outsourcing. It takes a certain amount of money to operate local governments, you want police, fire protection, sewer lines, local road, a sheriffs office, someone to record your deeds, someone ot make sure you pay your property taxes, hundreds of things we take for granted every day. Local industry, no matter what you like to think, pays a chunk of those taxes, it's even a lot if you consider they might be getting FILOT breaks, but most get past that, have depreciated everything as much as they can, and are paying a hefty contribiution to the community. Ask your local county representative what 1 mill is worth in your area, you'll get just an inkling of what each $10,000 loss in tax revenues from industry will cost you as the burden is passed on. A company shuts down it's mill and sends the jobs off to China, considerable taxes are lost, and where else is there to go for more but the homeowner. If anything, if your county or city, or both, have local option sales taxes, the Bush tax breaks have been a help, any money the federal government doesn't take is normally spent in the local economy, increasing sales tax revenues. I've seen not a single home lost because of Bush's tax cuts but I've seen many lost over the past few years because of outsourced jobs and the inability to keep up with taxes. This has only just begun as the outsourcing of white middle class jobs is gaining momentum. We're going to learn the real cost of cheap overseas labor folks, and it's not going to be pretty. So maybe Tabbi needs to do a little more local research when it comes to property taxes, we can't blame Bush or Republicans for everything all the time. Remember who's major achievement was NAFTA and signing the free trade agreement with China. A hint, it wasn't Bush.

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» RE: Finally Posted by: pomes
You All Should Have Voted for Ron Paul
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Jul 23, 2008 10:48 AM   
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The creation of $4 trillion dollars in the last 4 years has a hell of a lot to do with the rising prices of everything.

Whose fault is that? The Federal Reserve.

Who wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve? Here's a hint, it wasn't any Democrats, it was only one Republican.

Next time vast swaths of internet geeks get excited about a candidate, cheat off of them for your candidate like lots of others cheated off of them back in high school and college on homework and tests.

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Actually.............
Posted by: anneliese-nyc on Jul 23, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Businesses do not care if we stop buying their made overseas crap. Those businesses are now looking to "emerging markets" (it ain't us...)
to sell their crap to.
OUR SO CALLED GOVERNMENT allowed corporations to move our manufacturing overseas where labor was pennies and then ship it back and charge us for crap / We were "bred and reared " to be consumers and most paid a small fortune for "crap" that was worth pennies because NOW we did not have the high paying manufacturing to buy anything except the crap . The ceo's etc of those corporations became VERY wealthy and then could afford to lobby and press our so called government to support them in their endeavors which the government did because 99% of politicians HAVE TO BE VERY WEALTHY THEMSELVES to be elected .
I figure most corporations will just leave the USA because they basically are "done" with us.

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» RE: Actually............. Posted by: anneliese-nyc
CAPITOLISM, IS AMERICAS RELIGION
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Jul 23, 2008 10:54 AM   
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MONEY, is Americas God!!! It doesnt matter what color, or what sex, or what religion, that you are in America, it just matters, how much money you have!!! Money has become, the biggest discriminatory device known in human history!!!

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So much grief -- so little time. Put the passion to carving a new path instead...
Posted by: reikini on Jul 23, 2008 11:08 AM   
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Sorry -- I mistakenly posted this as a response rather than a new comment after reading the "Since When Is...comment suggesting that single mothers belonged at the "poverty end" of the bell curve unless you are a "communist or extreme socialist," above.

A better question is: How is a "poverty end" a reasonable or appropriate feature of any statistical model that describes the state of the human condition?

Referring to "communism or extreme socialism" is backward-looking, in that species survival over the next few hundred years is likely to require a complete socioeconomic reorganization of such scale that we have yet to "name" it.

Maybe we will be intelligent enough to come full circle: you know, like those "primitives" -- who are every single human being's ancestors -- when they worked out how to share the available resources so that every one was able to survive and, crucially, able to make a meaningful contribution (That, by the way, they were respected for making).

The idea of "right of ownership" as a deity is dying a slow, ugly, cruel, and, sadly for all of us, lengthy death. But perhaps by the time it is all over those fanatics who insist on it and on the dominant need to get it at all costs will kill each other off. Then there might just be few enough humans left to have a real, common sense conversation about basic needs, cooperation, and a human experience that is evolving in a forward direction by intention and commitment -- rather than this same old hackneyed tug-of-war and blame game.

I wish more of my fellow humans were able to rise to this occasion, humble themselves, and get off the culturally brain-washed soap-boxes, and instead get credit for and take pride in their developmental abilities to participate in evolutionary progress as a coherent, just, practical, species -- myself, included.

The vision, the leadership, the communal will, and the practical architectures are even now being developed, critiqued for applicability, shared in some circles, and implemented slowly in others. Let's get growing! FAST.

We can do this, Si Se Puede, Yes we can. Come along, now -- reach for something truly meaningful. Come on...........

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have you ever played monopoly
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Jul 23, 2008 11:16 AM   
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with a couple of people, who conspired against you, the little guy, for position, forgetting that there is only one winner at the end of the game!!! I know that were not talking about a game here, but it will have the same results: 1 winner, everyone else losers!!!

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scary stuff
Posted by: jstepp590 on Jul 23, 2008 11:57 AM   
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This is scary stuff, considering the roots of both communism and democracy. Both are nothing more than wars between the haves and have not's. All of them started in violence.

So be it. The best thing we can do at this point is educate our children as best we can, sharpen our knives and wait for the collapse. Once we all band together through sheer necessity our government officials and corporate execs are screwed if they stay in this country.

Everyone that thinks we need to get rid of guns in this country is a fool. They may be the only way we will ever get out of the class wars as victors, just like what happened with communism and democracy in the past.

Unfortunately, political power is force, as these non politically educated highly intelligent morons would know if they cared to learn.

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» more scary stuff Posted by: makeadifference
Here You Go.
Posted by: TheJamea on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 PM   
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Subject: 545
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility; I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way .

There are no insoluble government problems.

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» RE: Here You Go. cont. Posted by: TheJamea
Fight Back.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 PM   
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I suggest that small "investment" groups start within the poverty class.

Get two, three or four desperate people together and do armed robberies. It is a low skill job which anyone can learn quickly.

The poverty class has nothing. If they get caught they get rewarded with a warm comfortable bed, clean wholesome food, medical care as needed, some entertainment, educational opportunities, etc.

When the ruling class becomes tired of having themselves robbed by the people they have been robbing, society will change for the better.

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» RE: Fight Back. Posted by: makeadifference
» RE: Fight Back. Posted by: douglashoyt
John Edwards based his campaign on this issue
Posted by: Shakti on Jul 23, 2008 12:18 PM   
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Wasn't this the very issue that Edwards made the cornerstone of his campaign? Does he not deserve some credit for that? And did not the MSM trash him, essentially?

I think if you look carefully at the Edwards campaign, you will see that he tried to make an end run around the MSM, tried to reach the American voters directly with his message that he understood what was happening to the U.S. economy. Unfortunately, the MSM made sure that his message got mangled and his image tarnished.

I'm not sure that Americans really understand what is happening in this country. I think people realize that they are getting poorer, but they don't understand why. The corporate take-over of the government is nearly complete and almost invisible. Who can be a balance to the power of the Military Industrial Complex? What entity can do this? As long as the people are in the dark about what is really happening (and they are), there will be no reversal.

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Ordinary citizens are resorting to suicide as Free market fundamentalism runs amuck
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jul 23, 2008 12:23 PM   
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Woman commits suicide due to foreclosure...

Well, as Republicrats bail out their billionaire friends on the Wall St, ordinary citizens are resorting to suicide as there is no escape, thanks to Bankruptcy reform law passed few years ago.

And Bush jokes about the economic mess.

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No kidding...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 PM   
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As an artist I've felt this coming for a couple of years. We are like coal mine canaries in a way. The bulk of my art sales are historically to middle class people. 2 summers back sales began to fall off, last summer was ridiculous. This year I'm not even bothering with most of the art fairs and festivals because I won't make back the exhibitor fee. Many of my former patrons are now in foreclosure or some other huge financial trouble. Yeah, the economy is pretty bad and from what I see it isn't even close to bottoming out yet. So if you're still doing fine, enjoy it while it lasts.

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» RE: No kidding... Posted by: Quannah
Foreclosure & Suicide
Posted by: rider3 on Jul 23, 2008 12:32 PM   
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After reading this article, I switched over to Boston.com for my local news. The first story was breaking news. A woman in Taunton, MA, committed suicide today about 1.5 hours before her home was to be foreclosed upon. She noted to her husband and son to pay off the house with the money they would get from her insurance policy. Hopefully, it won't be denied. But, we, as a country, are really in trouble here. I wonder how many more will follow in her footsteps.

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» RE: Foreclosure & Suicide Posted by: buzzsaw
» RE: Foreclosure & Suicide Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
Politicians took us to war, raided the SSA funds, started taxing taxes what else?
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jul 23, 2008 1:59 PM   
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There needs to be a total revamp of the political system. It is that and not the Constitution that needs the change and upgrade. The middle class does not exist folks it hasn't since the fifties.

We are all working poor or unemployed poor if we make under $150,000.00 a year. We don't like that and we are in denial over it but it is fact none the less! If you make less than $250,000.00 a year you may not make ends meet if you have two children and a four bedroom home.

To be considered moderately wealthy you have to be knocking down 1.5 million a year after taxes! So let’s not BS ourselves about middle class....it just isn’t there. The assholier than thou politicos and their bigot friends have taken all our production out of the country to more control their own dollar.

I already spoke in a letter to the blog about my dad and his take on Retirement Funds. This is the pertinent excerpt:

My father and the fathers of half the population over 60 were young people 1n 1933 when SSA was proposed! It was a fund WE ALL PAID INTO, if we wanted a retirement benefit for old age or an insurance against premature death!

This is a fact! Also among the facts is that these funds are all but gone due to Political predation on using public funds to fund black projects ostensibly to protect the American People from insurgency of foreign powers. As time passes and I look at the Facts (whether I personally like them or not) I come to the unalterable conclusion that NONE of these people are serving the populace. In fact they serve their own wallets as best they can and devils take the hindermost.

We are in a recession because of unwise spending, fraudulent actions, cheating of allies and abuse of personal power by politicians. Politicians Beware! Planet wide there is a bounty on your heads, it is well deserved by my lights and for the sake of the nation I wish you to be solved. You cannot keep passing the buck to someone else, YOU are the ones in power now . It is only right that you inherit the sins of your forerunners UNLESS YOU WANT TO PROSCECUTE THEIR ASSES FOR TREASON AND THEFT AS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW!
Baring that you should take the hemlock yourself and preempt being fed it by force.

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And, you're informing us because we don't know.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 23, 2008 2:15 PM   
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Those people that are struggling are already aware, and then there are those of us that either know them or have adjusted as much as possible to accommodate.

The idiot in charge is so un-affected as to not want to realize that anything is wrong. And the spineless Congress refuse to do anything!

Of course we MUST bail out the very corrupt financial institutions - and as for the rest let them all eat cake.

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WORD!
Posted by: Stell on Jul 23, 2008 2:17 PM   
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"We are in the midst of a political movement to concentrate private wealth into fewer and fewer hands while at the same time placing more and more of the burden for public expenditures on working people. If that sounds like half-baked Marxian analysis well, shit, what can I say? That's what's happening."

WORD!

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"The Plan"
Posted by: jc1234 on Jul 23, 2008 2:47 PM   
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according to the NWO types, illuminists and corporatists is going exactly as planned and on schedule.

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Americas working class has been largely edited out of American society .
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 4:08 PM   
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There seems to be a sleight of hand trick,played on the US masses.Its a trick that has in the past served to keep a certain status quo.

Im referring to the class categorization which convinces members of the working class,that they are middle class.

The middle class is essentially the managerial and small business strata..who were mentioned in this article..but are usually lumped in with a catch all middle class including... well everyone above a line, of houseowners.This appears to be a very very broad definition of middle class,perhaps too broad .

The other side of this coin is that the term working class appears more pejorative when applied in the states ,than when applied in other countries.

By contrast,when growing up in 70s and 80s Britain,there was a powerful sense of working class pride.Even the better off skilled manual
workers,(who had some lifestyle commonality with the middle class)were staunchly defensive of that working class identity.
This identification with the working class,probably enhanced the militancy of the skilled manual workers,particularly in the 1970s where the engineers for example,were as strike prone,as the unskilled workers,and maintained elements of the us /workers and them/bosses framework.
Admittedly the reality is complex and there is some counter evidence to suggest that this skilled group were happy to negotiate single trade wage deals,and effectively undermine any solidarity with the unskilled and semi-skilled workers.

Relatively speaking though,a comparison between skilled workers in the US and the UK ,reveals greater radicalism and militancy in the UK,and a different class identification.

In the US a feeling of status and acheivement,proferred by the commonly used classification of social class,has given the better off workers a self identity of middle classness,and by extension a feeling that they have a stake in the preservation of inequality.
The raison d'etre of this group has become one of preservation ,rather than one of challenging the inequities of US society too much.

That these defined as middle class are finding it tough is no surprise,they have been marginalised politically and economically for some time in the USA..as wealth moves increasingly upwards.

Now the "middle class" are finding that they have more in common with the poor ,than the relentlessly aquisitional elite..whose loyalty is distinguished by its abscence.

This article illustrates to me the collapse of the shared illusion of many members of this so called class.Loyal to the market,and many of its conservative aspects,they are now betrayed by it.

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Bush's Mom Thinks It's All Good....
Posted by: Animal on Jul 23, 2008 5:17 PM   
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Chimpy's mother, Bitch In Pearls, seems to think it's all working out just fine for everybody, because we were underprivileged, anyway. She basically says "I'm not going to worry my beautiful head about it".

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So glad to see
Posted by: ArtemInox on Jul 23, 2008 6:24 PM   
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That this didnt turn into a bunch of BS about political parties and making a difference with the vote bwahahahaha

There are no parties any more, and no solutions are going to come from government. The End.

This kind of thing wouldnt ever have gone this far in times past. Because people were willing to fight and die to stop the bullshit. Now, most people are too pussified and comfortable. Until that changes, things are only going to get worse because those slimy fucks know they can get away with it.

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hackbut
Posted by: hackbut on Jul 23, 2008 7:28 PM   
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I agree with just about everything Mr. Taibbi says, coming from a family of factory workers who, through their sweat and eventual sacrifice of their health, were able to give me and many of my cousins excellent opportunities they did not have. They would no longer have that capability today because those jobs are gone to the Third World so that the ruling class in this country can buy cheaper there and sell at the same price here as if it were produced here, not even having the wit to recognize that this practice is self-defeating for at least 3 reasons: (1) their market here for any good will dry up as we get poorer; (2) they live under the protection of the laws of hte United States yet everyday they undermine that which makes that protection possible; (3) if this continues it will resurrect the politics of the deed because of the idea that if they will not let us live, why shoule we let them live, and that would be a sea change which would make this a very different and worse country.

One criticism of the author is that he is somewhat selective in his examples of government spending not directed towards our needs. He omits the recent appropriation with the agreement of both parties of $50 billion over 5 years for HIV/Aids in Africa. If Rep. Sanders' numbers are correct that would provide basic health care in this country for 10 years. What is the logic when the country is broke to try to solve the problems of Africa on the backs of the poor and middle class of the U.S. We have unfortunately come a long way from George Washington's warning against entangling alliances.

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Commondreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 23, 2008 7:41 PM   
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Decimated by anti-growth, anti-family policies! Ironic, isn't it? Bought it lock, stock and barrel - and yet the prescription was just the opposite of what builds up a healthy society.

Now the devastation can only be stopped by progressive policies (as extreme as the regressive policies we have been laboring under for the last decades). We must take back America from the plutocrats and stop listening to whining corporations and overpaid CEOs about how they need more, more, more. It didn't do any good - in fact, the giveaways ended up being a betrayal - they took even more! - Incredibly, as they ran up the prices of everything, bankrupted the American consumer, drove down wages - NOTHING was enough. Except now. Now their customers are broke, their country is broke (except for the over coddled top) - now what can they sell? More bogus ideas? I don't think so - finally, I don't think anyone will be drinking the rancid koolaid of extreme conservatism.

We must restore morals and modesty, not avarice, as the primary motivator in America. We must be frugal and stop lining the pockets of the undeserving by going into debt for things we can't afford (and that weren't meant for us in the first place). McMansions were for the wealthy only - not for middle and under income America...and no ridiculous loan will change the fact that prices were driven sky high by yuppie hype.

Until we rout these marauders we won't get a rest from the mauling of this country, its workers and the middle class lifestyle...until we restore balance and some kind of equity it just won't happen. I hope the new president is brave enough to implement New Deal style policies and throw out the lobbyists who made this happen...we have to hope for that or I don't know what hope there is to restore America to its people's rule - not to the rule of plutocrats and mercenaries.

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it's time for the rich to step up
Posted by: problembear on Jul 23, 2008 7:47 PM   
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it is time for the wealthiest 1% of americans (>6M) to step up and do something important for the country.the middle class has done enough. I think there is a plan that is doable. please see it at http://problembear.wordpress.com

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Rage Against The Machine
Posted by: opmoc on Jul 23, 2008 8:08 PM   
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Fucking Over The Moon

That Rage Against The Machine Are Headlining Reading Festival

FUCK YOU

KILLING IN THE NAME
Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

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» RE: Rage Against The Machine Posted by: BlueGorilla
Iraq cost is $2.5 Bil per WEEK, not "day"
Posted by: irenderit on Jul 23, 2008 8:08 PM   
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but some months have cost $12 Bil .Add $1-2 Bil/month for Afganistan. Seemingly, most Americans don't care. They voted Bush the 2nd time, remember?

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These Are Our Mates Doing RATM in a Pub in London Last Year
Posted by: opmoc on Jul 23, 2008 8:29 PM   
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I reckon the American Guitarist knows these guys and knows they will do a storm at English Festivals This Year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWIxa0x9U4

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"Middle Class" morons elected Cheney/Rove/Bush TWICE and are getting exactly what they deserve !
Posted by: hadashito on Jul 24, 2008 1:06 AM   
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As always, Taibbi gives us a direct, blunt assessment that tells it the way it is; no pussy-footing around the obvious truth - - as the media always do, and as do most politicians of both parties.
I perused Taibbi's long article fairly quickly, so maybe I missed it, but I did not see anywhere in the article the simple, central fact that has led to the current sorry state of the "middle class"; namely, that they voted Cheney/Rove/Bush into the White House - - TWICE !
I am a member of that "class" and I am disgusted at its failures in being led around by the nose by a transparent moron, a secretive monster, and an arrogant, college young Republican wise-ass like Karl Rove.
The "middle class" eagerly sucked down Bush's the Kool Aid line of crap about "compassionate conservatism" while Cheney and Rove maneuvered behind closed doors to set up a government their own extremist, pro-business way, grab (steal ?) two elections by very questionable tactics, and saturate DC with their cronies and flunkies from the military, the corporations, corporate lobbyists, and
criminals like Abramoff and his greedy flunkies in the House of Reps. The current plight of the "middle class" is a direct result of their own mindless folly in voting into office a rapacious team of dictatorial thugs.
Remember that Dick Cheney was still running Halliburton in 2000 just before he selected himself V.P. Did that not tell us something ? Were very many members of the "middle class" paying any attention ? Moron Bush had very little to do with establishing this criminal administration; he has been a mere puppet, Cheney has been the boss, and Rove was their political hit man.
Then the "middle class" chumps who elected the Cheney/Rove/Bush cabal in 2000 were so frightened by 9/11 that they were very easily "convinced" that the same administration would be the better one to save their helpless hides from those horrible terrorists by voting the same crooks into office AGAIN in 2004 !
Insight ? NONE. Intelligence ? NONE. Perspicacity ? FORGET ABOUT IT !
Irrational FEAR - - that's what drove them.
While it is true that our more well-off Republicans helped elect their own, our hallowed "middle class" was primarily responsible for the disaster it has visited upon itself. Cheney/Rove/Bush could not have gained the White House, ruined our economy, and corrupted our government so thoroughly without the support of the benighted "middle class".
They are a bunch of distracted, easily duped, selfish dullards who are now getting what they have deserved for eight years. No excuses. They are just as guilty as Taibbi's ass-holes in the White House and the Congress.

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jeffrey
Posted by: prfctsolar on Jul 24, 2008 1:24 AM   
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I just want to feed my family, and quit working before I die.
We need to put MADE back in America.
As far as inflation 5% is a good headline, but way off. Many daily items gas, food, and yes cigarettes are 10 times what they cost 35 years ago yet minimum wage hasn't even doubled.
write in jeffrey mcmurphy for president

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At This Time I'd Like To Give A BIG FAT "THANK YOU"....
Posted by: Animal on Jul 24, 2008 3:07 AM   
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....To everyone who thought that keeping gays from marrying was more important than keeping our economy strong, healthy, and viable. Good job, you've made it possible for these gangsters to destroy our once great nation. The neocons, robber barons, and crypto-fascists couldn't have done it without you.

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okiedokey
Posted by: okiedokey on Jul 24, 2008 1:38 PM   
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When is the middle class going to quit pissing and moaning? PSSSST Do Something. Unfortunately we have reached the late stages of Orwell's "1984" where to say anything against the STATE is treason or sedition. What are we going to do, shoot spitwads at Bradley tanks? Throw rocks at the snipers who have us in the cross hairs a thousand yards away? Use wrist rockets to shoot marbles at fully body armored Gestapo/Stasi carrying M-16's? Maybe those militia's will save us? Oops, more gestapo minded idiots with pee shooters. About all we can realistically do is bend over and kiss our asses goodbye. Or is it? Think outside the propaganda! Damn, now I'm on that F**king list!

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» RE: okiedokey Posted by: Animal
» RE: okiedokey Posted by: peacefullaim
Commondreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 27, 2008 7:37 PM   
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Bravo again! No, this is not WJWD (what Jesus would do) or wish on society at all, of course.

This is warped religious fear mongering and unchecked greed and amoral behavior all at once - not Christian in any way - unbelieveable that they got away with hijacking "family values" for this long. Not for much longer as the nice little house of cards begins to fall......

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this edited version better
Posted by: whealeydj on Jul 28, 2008 2:24 PM   
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than the july 19 post

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WHY DON’T THE DEMOCRATS REVERSE WILSON’S ERROR, AND REPEAL THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT?
Posted by: mike montagne on Jul 29, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Matt,

I've written you before about mathematically perfected economy™. Let's wake up. You're a smart guy. Why don't you lend to solving this proven mess?

WHY DON’T THE DEMOCRATS REVERSE WILSON’S ERROR, AND REPEAL THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT?

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