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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Is the GOP Cooking the Books to Avoid Recession Until After Election Day?

By James Galbraith, Mother Jones. Posted July 8, 2008.


Two enormous clouds remain for whoever becomes president: the housing slump and the banking crisis. Both are far from being finished yet.
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Is the worst over? Are we on the road to recovery? Will the next president take office against a backdrop of economic improvement, as Bill Clinton did in 1993? Or has something deeper and more intractable gone wrong?

Early this year, the optimists, including Citigroup chairman Bob Rubin and Treasury secretary Hank Paulson, argued that the slowdown was short-term and that a "stimulus" package should be "targeted and temporary." This with rare haste the Democratic Congress enacted. As a result, most taxpayers got one-time $600 checks in May, prefigured by bubbly messages touting "Good News!" if you filed your taxes electronically.

The rebate isn't the only little Dutch boy thrown headlong at the dike this election year. Government spending, especially for defense, will be up: Military spending as a share of gdp is expected to grow by $75 billion in fiscal 2008, enough to neutralize a 0.3 percent decline in gdp. Dick Cheney was secretary of defense for Bush 41; just before the 1992 election he engineered a big run-up in outlays, as the military restocked following the first Gulf War. (It was exposed in the first Clinton "Economic Report.") Is the Pentagon up to that trick again? I'd be astonished if it were not.

Under intense pressure from panicky bankers, Ben Bernanke cut interest rates relentlessly from August 2007 through the spring of 2008. I don't accuse Bernanke of playing politics. But it's worth noting that this is what usually happens. In presidential election years when Republicans are in office, the Fed regularly and predictably pursues a more expansionary policy than when Democrats rule -- after controlling for differences in the rates of inflation and unemployment. (I made these calculations myself; see the chart.) Maybe they just can't help themselves.

But much of the ordinary effect of interest cuts on new lending -- like a rebound in construction and automobile sales -- didn't happen this time. That's because the fall in home prices (and therefore the value of collateral) overwhelmed the benefit of cheaper money to the banks. And the banks barely cut mortgage rates, so consumers saw no benefits at all. Lower interest rates did cut the value of the dollar, however, and that promotes exports and foreign investment. (These days New York Times real estate listings come with a currency converter.) It also boosts the stock market, since multinational firms can report their (unchanged) foreign income as higher dollar earnings.

Possibly all this stimulus will ward off the two-quarter decline that has historically defined a recession. Don't be surprised: Republicans haven't had an election-year slump since 1960. On the other hand, the National Bureau of Economic Research, which has the official call, may describe the early spring as a recession anyway. Republicans will welcome that, too, so long as they can plausibly call the summer a "recovery." Even if they can't stop a recession, they may be able to make it short and shallow enough, this year, to put John McCain in the White House. But all this brings up an important question -- what of next year?

No matter how effective the stimulus, two enormous clouds remain for whoever becomes president: the housing slump and the banking crisis. Both are far from being finished yet.

The problem with a housing slump is inventory. Unlike factories and Internet startups, shuttered houses don't go away. No one declares them obsolete. They aren't boxed up and sent to China. They remain, a drag on the market, decaying and pulling down property values for years. Here in Texas, housing values slumped with the S&L crisis and the oil bust of 1985 and did not recover until around 1993. That slump clobbered the oil patch but was barely felt anywhere else. This slump is the reverse -- it's driving down housing prices just about everywhere except Texas, where the scars of the last bubble helped keep the recent one under control.

Nationally, the subprime debacle is blowing away the homeownership gains of the last few years. Those abusive mortgages were deliberately targeted at vulnerable, even desperate, people who could be steered into financial death traps. Lenders didn't care, because with the help of fraudulent appraisals, the loans could be off-loaded quickly in packages bought by greedy or gullible investors, including your pension fund. Poor people got hit on the front end; 1.5 million homes entered foreclosure last year. Middle-class people got it on the return volley.

And middle-class homeowners are now getting hit a second way: in the declining value of their homes. You don't have to be holding a subprime to find yourself underwater. That means that home-equity loans will dry up. (As of April, California homeowners in default were already a median of eight months behind on those loans.) Many people will be tempted to walk on their houses and mail the keys to the bank. Incidents of the foreclosed expressing themselves to their lenders by yanking the plumbing and the wires on the way out the door are on the rise, as is arson by desperate homeowners, according to the Los Angeles Times. Will students, small businesses, and other borrowers still be able to get credit when this is over? God only knows.


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James K. Galbraith is a contributing writer for Mother Jones. His new book, "The Predator State: How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too," comes out in August.


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Chart?
Posted by: synx on Jul 8, 2008 12:27 AM   
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Uh... what chart?

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Cooking the books?
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jul 8, 2008 1:55 AM   
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This website has amply documented and condemned the teeming idiocy in this nation. Among the few remaining lucids, can there be any question that the pathologically lying sub-human in the White House can do other than "cook the books." C'mon folks, this asshole's idol is Ole Rawhide, who wholeheartedly endorsed David Stockman's "voodoo economics." We have endured 28 consecutive years of utter criminality in the White House. Quare: Are we really entitled to change or betterment? No way Jose, this dumb tank is filled to overflowing with too many others seeking space for themselves.

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Cooking the books
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 8, 2008 4:15 AM   
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is standard operating procedure for criminals, but it won't persuade the rapidly growing number of bankrupted, jobless and homeless citizens to vote Republican. So, there are only two ways for them to either win the election or cancel it -- fix the electronic voting machines, or go with Israel to attack Iran and launch WW3. They have already successfully fixed the last two elections in 2000 and 2004, so that would seem to be their best bet. WW3 is a global wipe-out that only the likes of wacko Armageddonite Rev. Hagee lusts after whispering in Bush's ear.

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Is the Pope Jewish? Get REAL! BUSH/Chainey Mission Admonished!
Posted by: williameon on Jul 8, 2008 4:55 AM   
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They've cooked everything else so far. What do you think they're going to do now, turn into Choir Boys? They have outsourced and privatized 75% of the CIA, Military and GOVERNMENT,
Destroyed the Dollar, Looted the Treasury, Doubled the Debt and Quadrupled the price of Oil. Mission Admonished! Put that on your FAUX News Show and smoke it! They have maimed, tortured, lied to, stole from, terrorized, spied on and destroyed America. No small feet, while the Media cheered them on! It’s was all Clinton’s fault! Reality left the Country in 2000 after he stole the Election. We’re in Bush-Zarro land now. Guess what? They’re still working on the Grand Finale:False flag and BOMB Iran!
Right out of the Nazi play book
Selection 08!
McPain = More of the Same!
100 more years of Slavery.

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Is the wizard in???
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 8, 2008 5:30 AM   
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Lets see, I buy a house that I know is way out of my range.. The bank offers me a deal too good to be true, and it is, and I blame the government for not taking care of me because I'm too stupid to know better..

Now, the economy is in the dumper driven by oil price record hikes. Jobs are going away - NAFTA at work. Dems wont take any realistic actions re oil and NAFTA is their baby.

Yep, vote democrat - they will solve everything. I wonder if the wizard has any brains behind that mirror!

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The Rest of the world knows it: IMF finally knocks on Uncle Sam's door
Posted by: Phred42 on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 AM   
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IMF finally knocks on Uncle Sam's door
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Der Spiegel wrote that the IMF had "informed" Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke of plans that would have been unheard of in the past: a general examination of the US financial system.

The IMF's board of directors has ruled that a so-called Financial Sector Assessment Program is to be carried out in the US. This, Der Spiegel wrote, "is nothing less than an X-ray of the entire US financial system", adding that "no Fed chief in US history has been forced to submit to the kind of humiliation that Ben Bernanke is facing". The fact that the IMF is knocking on the very doors of its parents and waving legal papers about who lost the house, the car and the kids will, if the past is anything to go by, be buried in the US by pom-pom waving on CNBC telling all what a great time it is to buy. But the news that the US Fed has now lost its last vestige of credibility did not end with the German report. The Telegraph from London weighed in, following the Royal Bank of Scotland's statement last week (also lost on the US public) that it was time to head for the crags, and reported Barclays Capital's closely watched Global Outlook analysis that said US headline inflation would hit 5.5% by August and the Fed would have to raise interest rates six times by the end of next year to prevent a wage spiral. If the Fed hesitates, the bond markets will take matters into their own hands.

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» The awful truth is revealed ! Posted by: Last Chance
» Is help on the way? Posted by: bobtr900
YES... next question?
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 AM   
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I suggested this to people a couple of years ago & was told by liberals that it was paranoid to suggest it.

I'm sure 'Fine Upstanding Citizens' said the same thing to Siegelman.


NeoCons are corrupt bullies & cheaters... & ALWAYS LEAVE SOMEONE ELSE HOLDING THE BAG... so they can point their fingers & say its someone else's fault.

its the perfect windup to their next run at authority, "things got worse when we LEFT"... ASK YOURSELF IF YOU BELIEVE ANY PERFORMANCE METRIC THEY PUBLISH or if they'd demonstrate RESTRAINT while sucking dry the public-owed resources...

There is no 'we' in corruption


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The NON Recession of 2003
Posted by: DrSuess on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 AM   
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I am a computer programmer who remembers vividly (and painfully) the NON recession of 2003-2004. Every day the financial wizards would come on the TV shows and declare that this is not a recession. I still cannot watch Nightly Business Report because of the steady drumbeat it had in that period.

In Indiana, just at the start of the recession, the state came out with unemployment figures- and they were challenged. People asked how so many factories could close, and not have any effect on the unemployment rate. So the state “revised” its figures. But after that revision, the numbers remained the same- no matter how many factories closed, no matter how many stores put up “Going out of Business” Signs. The unemployment rate was “pegged” to a specific figure that appeared to be handed down from on high. Any proof I needed that the figures were cooked came the day that United shut down its operations in the city. Massive numbers of people hit the streets in a 24 hour period, and it didn’t change the unemployment rate one iota.

When the war started, hiring stopped- and stayed stopped for over a year. You couldn’t even get a job at McDonalds- I know- I tried. I was laid off just before the war started, and was in the unemployment office looking for positions the day after we went into Iraq. I saw the ads change from “hiring” to “on hold due to political uncertainty” and then vanish entirely. I hunted for a decent job for 20 months, a year and a half. I would go up to a group called the Business and Professional Exchange, a group that helped white collar people find jobs. During the good employment cycle of the Clinton years, only low skills people were looking. During the 2003-2004 non Recession, there were people who had 20 years of experience in highly marketable skills who were spending 5 , 6 , 7 or more months- and still not finding anything. There were computer programmers who would have commanded five thousand dollar signing bonuses in 1999 who were looking for over a year.

It wasn’t that I was too proud- I took jobs as a cleaning lady, and graded tests. I worked for a soup kitchen to keep food on my table. I have never looked so hard for a job, with so little success as I did at that period. Since I help out at the charities, I got to see what they were seeing. There were people who had once been managers at companies, who were coming down to the Food Stamp office to get emergency food stamps, since they had run out of their life savings. The charities said they had never seen it so bad- and were being overwhelmed with people asking for help.

I had computer programmer friends who stocked shelves at B Daltons, who helped out at charities, and who worked for free for companies so they could keep their resume clean, and their skills up. Computer programming was the hardest hit area in the 2003-2004 non recession. And it’s easy to ignore a “geek”. The press is great about it. But I am also fully aware that I was not the only one who was hard hit by the turndown.

There was an article a year or so later talking about how the state of Indiana came within $100,000 of running out of unemployment funds. Some time later there was a period when the state “delayed” payments for as long as they could. Of course the fault lay with us “silly” computer programmers who had messed up the computers.

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» RE: The NON Recession of 2003 Posted by: VZEQICVA
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» RE: The NON Recession of 2003 Posted by: richholland
The NON Recession of 2003 cont
Posted by: DrSuess on Jul 8, 2008 7:24 AM   
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If you read the alternate press there were discussions about how several states had run out of unemployment funds- and had to go begging to the federal government for help. Michigan did not run out of unemployment funds when there was a 15% unemployment rate because the auto workers were being laid off back in the 80’s and 90’s. The mainstream press, on the other hand- had nightly reports saying that no one was having trouble finding a job. Only Business Week and the Wall Street Journal went against the crowd, and had a few articles that discussed how bad the situation was.

The major difference between this recession and the one that hit is 2003-2004, is that major highly visible companies like the auto are being hit. In 2003-2004, the government hid the recession by removing all the protections in mortgage lending and allowing people to use their houses as ATM machines. That spending hid the downturn from the pubic. It appeared to many people who could get dream vacations and all kinds of other things by tapping their home equity- that times were good.

But the life was going out of the economy as more and more good jobs vanished, and people stepped down in their income. Now we have reached a point where the life blood of the economy in 2003- housing, is buckling under the strain of holding up the economy. You cannot send all the manufacturing jobs, and all the service jobs, and all the technical jobs out of the country- and still have something left to hold up the economy.

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POLITICIANS ARE NOT ECONOMISTS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 8, 2008 8:56 AM   
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They are reckless spenders and see nothing wrong with it.We are in serious trouble because the regulations in place to prevent such disasters were seen as unecessary. We need a president who will not interfer with regulators who prohibit creative lending and act in the best interest of the consumers. Markets can't be allowed to go unchecked. People should the run markets.Not sit back and see what happens. It doesn't work. Thanks, ANNA

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THE BOOKS ARE INHERENTLY COOKED
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 8, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Whether or not growth in the GDP has dipped below zero or not is irrelevant. GDP is a critically flawed measure for evaluating the performance of an economy and its impact on the population.

Negative counting such as oil spills, car crashes, divorces are all negative events and have an adverse effect on people, yet they actually contribute to the GDP because they involve the consumption of goods and services. (lawyers, courts, salvage operations etc.) As well, the GDP completely ignores the distribution of wealth and who is benefitting from the growth. Quality of life factors such as crime and healthcare are not counted.

If economists used the alternative, the Genuine Progress Indicator, they would discover that the U.S. has been in a recession for a while.

With the second highest poverty rate in the OECD, the highest incarceration rate, 45 million without healthcare and the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world, its quite a stretch to suggest that the U.S. hasn't been in a recession for years.

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» RE: THE BOOKS ARE INHERENTLY COOKED Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca
The US economy is THE MATRIX
Posted by: Trazom on Jul 8, 2008 9:24 AM   
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Book cooking has been going on for decades now. This is nothing new. The only relevant difference is the amount and severity of cooking that the establishment is now so brazenly willing to throw in our faces.

The CPI used to be measured against a fixed basket of goods (load of bread, gallon of milk, etc), during the Carter administration. At various times during the last 30 years it has been systematically assaulted to resemble nothing based on any form of reality. This is why our inflation will never appear to be too bad even though we may be in a hyperinflationary depression!

Now we have all kinds of tricks like hedonics, geometric weighting, seasonal averages, substitution, and the like that has completely dulled the sharp edge of the inflationary blade. Rather than go into specifics, I urge everyone to google Boskin Commission, and be prepared to be amazed.

Also visit shadowstats.com or look up John Williams on youtube. Shadowstats points out that if we used the pre-Clinton era method of CPI calculations that today's inflation rate would be closer to 7-8%, not 3-4%. Additionally, rates are even higher (upwards of 12-14%) if we used the method that was employed back during the Carter administration.

As for unemployment figures, that too is a farce. Again, using older methods our rates would be closer to 10-12% unemployed. But now if you give up looking for work after 6 months, you're not considered unemployed. You're also not counted if you're underemployed. AND, best of all, the members of the military are now counted in the official employment statistics, whereas they weren't just a short time ago. Since the military is practically the only segment of GDP growing at double digit rates per year, we all know what kind of effect that's having on overall employment.

So is the government cooking the books? Absolutely. They've been doing it for 3 decades without nary a cry. Don't believe the lies that you hear on the television, particuarly any "official" CPI or unemployment figures from the talking-head morons on the idiot-box who refuse to use their brains. The government will continue to manipulate the numbers as they see fit, so you see the whole thing is merely a contrivance. The question as to whether or not we're in a recession is pointless - they can cook the books for as long as they want to make sure we never officially cross that line. Those of us on the ground though, know better. We are already in a recession. It will be a deep and long recession. We are headed for something much much worse.

Don't believe anything from the idiot box and/or from your financial advisor (if you have one). Trust your gut and what you see when you go to the store. We as a society have been adrift for a long time now and as a result things have gotten severely out of balance. We have just begun the rebalancing act that will be required.

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Texas housing market
Posted by: Lauren on Jul 8, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Here in Texas, housing values slumped with the S&L crisis and the oil bust of 1985 and did not recover until around 1993. That slump clobbered the oil patch but was barely felt anywhere else.

This slump is the reverse -- it's driving down housing prices just about everywhere except Texas, where the scars of the last bubble helped keep the recent one under control.


I remember that slump because I was obsessing about housing markets and following oil fortunes, my husband is a geologist. That means the jobs in his industry rise and fall with the fortunes of oil.

The REAL reason housing has not fallen in Texas, is oil money. The area is awash in oil. That bust was oil based too.

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» RE: bankruptcy Posted by: Lauren
Economic Chaos
Posted by: bh on Jul 8, 2008 9:51 AM   
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It took only eight years for the Neo-Cons to destroy our economic foundation. Couple that with the fact we don't manufacture in this country anymore. It is a bleak future for our kids and grandkids! At least the Repubs will suffer right along with us...

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» RE: conomic Chaos Posted by: Lauren
» RE: conomic Chaos Posted by: pomes
Here's another take on the problem with banks
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 AM   
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silverbearcafe.com/private/7.08/panic.html


I don't quite agree with this guy, but he does raise some important issues about banks and their ability to create chaos (for their own ends).

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DUHHH!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jreal on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM   
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Yeah. Isn't it obvious. It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of getting it out to the public since they haven't figured it out yet. I have not even read this piece yet, just the title.

This whole economy has been bloated up...
Fake statistics in unemployment, and inflation, and many other things. Changing the how statics are gathered so they look better or at least as good on paper compared to the past. And heavy speculation pumped out by friendly organizations to pump up the stock market. Interest rates too low so company's can keep doing there phony business practices. And the preying on everyones credit cards.

This economy is basically held together by debt. Soon it will all burst but at least the crony's got all our money.

I will now read the article.

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Defunding America
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 8, 2008 11:48 AM   
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And this is what they call Pro-life and Family Values. I call it the defunding of America, the defunding of the middle class and the lower class, even more so.

The Rethug 'Culture of Death', be it economic death or physical death for oil profits is still death of one sort or another. The fabric of our society is being rent asunder by those who claim that they are about the preservation of our civil and social order when in reality it is they who are doing the rending.

It is no different when Pinochet was slaughtering tens of thousands of Chileans and one of his supporters was the Catholic Church, my religion. And the same thing happened in Haiti. And the same thing is now happening in America. Where Rupert Murdoch, that darling of the religious right and the Rethug empire is given a 'Free Pass' for his porn business. Where once again Big Business values from the Values Voters just trumps all else.

Now some of my fellow Catholics will jump up and down and scream that it is not ones religion, it is ones politics that leads to such behavior. I beg to differ, and strongly differ, it is religion that is the source of support and an Imprimatur that allows the Rethug party to go along it's merry and totally corrupt way. Hitler also got such an Imprimatur.

Moreover, there is something terribly wrong and in fact quite Satanically evil when a religion goes along with, encourages and supports the Repub party 'Culture of Death' for profits and political power. And continues to give that support from St. Reagan to the present day.

The Church's and businesses and Repug hate for Communism extends to Socialism and now to the American people, the 240+ million of us who did not vote to put their cabalof evil into power and keep it there, starting with St. Reagan and continuing to this very day with St. Russert, the great enabler for the Repub party. And who gave Russert his marching orders. The same one(s) who gave Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito their marching orders. Their religious values conflated with their Repub values gave them their marching orders.

Blind and unrelenting hate and religious ideology is how religion connects with Big Business and corruption. That is exactly how the Rethug party, the party whose highest value is nothing else but dollars, the golden idol, mammon, the great foul and decadent beast of mammon continues on to this very day, unabated.

Dollars the Repubs get, and souls the religious right gets. What a corrupt trade off. I was taught, by the nuns, that ones soul comes from God and goes directly to a human being, there are no middle men, no church men involved. That soul belongs only to that person, until it returns to God at the time of death. But so many church men being the 'moral relativists' that they are think they are the arbiters of and for that soul while it resides on this earth. That strikes me as the very definition of the sin of Pride, the taking unto oneself that which belongs only to God. As the phrase goes, 'and the worst of these is the first', referring to the sin of Pride.

If religion stuck to religion, as Jesus asked, and grew some Humility as Niebuhr felt was needed, and chose to not support the Repub party, religion and the Repub party might be a lot better off. And so would the hundreds of thousands of souls who suffered and died for oil profits and Repub party political power.

How is the Repub party so easily able...

Cont'd below.

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» RE: Defunding America Posted by: aussidawg
Defunding America. Cont'd from above
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 8, 2008 11:54 AM   
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Cont'd from above.

How is the Repub party so easily and endlessly able to merge church and state and thus continue on it's path of death and destruction for oil profts and political power? Right wing religious people keep voting for it because their religions tell them to do so.

Lest we forget, Jesus said: 'render unto caesar...'. And the laws of God , the Commandments, say: thou shalt not kill(Iraqis and our troops), and thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods(Iraqi oil and maybe Iranian oil) and thou shalt not bear false witness. But they do kill, and covet and bear false witness.

I'm off thread, I know. But it is all related, because right wing religions are completely bereft of the greatest of all virtues, Humility. Without that virtue they cannot find 'the path', the straight and narrow path. Without that virtue they are all sociopaths and megalomaniacs. Humility is what we all use to keep us on the 'straight and narrow', which isn't actually all that narrow and really not all that difficult to follow, as most of us follow it every day, in our daily lives.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

And to get back to the thread: yes, I'd bet the GOP is cooking the books and right wing religion is aiding and abetting that act of misleading coruption.

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» jnick Posted by: bobtr900
Buy gold and silver
Posted by: jc1234 on Jul 8, 2008 12:47 PM   
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in physical form and watch the financial destruction continue unabated while gold and silver go on a price trip to the moon. The goose that laid the golden egg has been cooked and the fed, financial press and the dimwitted economists (propandists actually) with 'Phd' after their names are in a concerted effort to minimize the implications. Armando Falcon was fired, by bush, 1 day after he released a report, two years in the making, from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight warning that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were facing a systemic crisis.....back in 2003.

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Screw gold and silver
Posted by: pomes on Jul 8, 2008 4:05 PM   
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Buy STORABLE FOOD AND WATER and buy it fast. And stash it. Learn to garden, learn to hunt, learn to forage. I'm learning.

If you want "currency" in a post crash economy, I don't think it will be gold and silver. It will be basic necessities, followed by "prison currencies" such as alcohol and smokes, and hell, maybe gasoline too.

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DemoPublicans
Posted by: gellero1 on Jul 8, 2008 4:48 PM   
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Neither party controls the money supply. They both lie to the public. There is no real difference between them. The real rate of inflation is about 12% now. An Obama admin will change nothing.

The dollar has been inflated to pay our debts. Classic governmental policy. 16% increase in dollar volume this year. It's published weekly. Most people never look at the volume of money in circulation.

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of course the books are cooked and have been since Reagan
Posted by: whealeydj on Jul 8, 2008 6:12 PM   
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my recollection of elections since 1980 was that the the Fed manipulated the economy during election years to benefit the Republicans. One of Bill Clinton's biggest errors was to reappoint Republican Fed chair in 1998 and the Fed managed to create a recession in 2000. Obama economists should criticize the Fed for interfering in American elections if they have evidence.

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Finally!
Posted by: lamar on Jul 8, 2008 9:05 PM   
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I know the housing slump is supposed to be bad, and it affects other markets. But I'm happy that I can finally afford a house.

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And, still the bottom hasn't come
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 9, 2008 2:09 PM   
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As the MSM has glossed over yet something else, and an unwilling to do anything Congress refuses to put IMPEACHMENT on the table, I think all of them should be put out.

The American public must also bear blame for falling for the lies, when the reality is all of the policies that have been put into place have gone against the pocketbook of the "average American". We have been lulled into believing that "free trade, free market, get the government off of our back" hype and this isn't even scraping the bottom yet. Just wait until they leave office - that's when we really will hit bottom!!!

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Predatory Lending was corrupt but was also a result of the US economy's excessive financialization
Posted by: yellow on Jul 9, 2008 2:14 PM   
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Today commercial banks account for a mere 24% of all financial assets down from 56% five decades ago. Shifts in the US financial system began slowly in the 1980s. Our system went from being based on heavily regulated commercial depository institutions to deregulated, highly globalized and complex capital markets. As people shifted their savings from commercial banks to pension and mutual funds in response to the promise of higher earnings from record high interest rates, these funds in turn went in search of profitable investment outlets. Corporate borrowing began to shift from standard commercial loans from banks to the issuance of securities such as bonds which were eagerly bought up by various money market funds also seeking high interest earnings to cover their financial obligations. Capital markets became increasingly diverse, complex, globalized and unregulated. Capital markets became the center of gravity of the global financial system that now boasts over a quadrillion in notional value. It is clear that neither the US Federal Reserve Bank, nor any other Central Bank, was designed to oversee, control and regulate these highly complex and globalized capital markets.

High interest rates and skyrocketing energy prices in the early 1980s drove the process of financialization and globalization with which we are now coping. This system was less about freeing up trade than about establishing a new set of global institutional arrangements designed to allow the hyper-mobility of capital, the lowering of middle class wages and incomes, the shifting of manufacturing output-and now various services-to low wage areas overseas in order to import back the output of US foreign subsidiaries and the concentration of wealth and profits world wide. This system is not about free markets but corporate domination. Globalization cannot be reversed through tariffs. But we can tax excess wealth, stop financial speculation, invest in an expanded public sector to create needed services and stimulate full employment and spend money to meet human needs. The survival of the planet depends on it. We now face a stark choice of socialism or barbarism.

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CRASH @ the KOOL-AID STATE
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 9, 2008 10:02 PM   
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The gutting of America is tragic but hardly new.

The same happened to England at the foul end of its own "empire phase" when the usual oligarch ruling class and its Corporate Monopoly State organized crime regime went on to run a gullible new vehicle (the U.S.A.).

This is about fully socialized and concentrated FASCIST power run through a puppet circus out of Washington, London, Tel Aviv, etc. And to a man, every significant founder warned this would happen.

Most of the gruesome details are outlined in the blog CRASH @ the KOOL-AID STATE.

The late, great George Carlin said it as well as anyone…

"Forget the politicians. They’re irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU. They own everything.

They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses; the city halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies…They’ve got you by the BALLS."

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We All Know There Is A Recession
Posted by: tommy57 on Jul 10, 2008 10:01 AM   
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Only the rich and idiot republicans think there is no recession. However those who know what is reality are not being listen to as long as the mainsteam media of over paid pundits by into the so called expert opinions. They have no idea of the suffering, even when thye see it they don't really understand. they need to experience first hand by living the experience..

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