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Fat Cat CEOs Too Dumb to Use Computers

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2008.


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Just what the hell is going on in the boardrooms of corporate America? From Angelo Mozilo's callous reply-button fuckup to chat-room lurks from execs at Burger King and Whole Foods, the nation is under attack by suits who make way too much money to know so little about how their computers work.

Let's start with Mozilo, whose Countrywide Financial Corporation has been one of the worst offenders in our housing meltdown, which is to say, our full-blown economic recession. The Calabasas, California-based lender's stock plummeted by 80 percent after it amassed nearly $100 billion in losses while servicing gamed loans and foreclosing on those who should have known better, had they only possessed enough common sense to spit out Countrywide's Kool-Aid. That was bad enough to swallow, until CEO Angelo Mozilo declared that, during this scam, he walked off with $1.9 million in salary, $20 million in performance-based awards and another $121 million in liquidated stock.

Thanks for playing, and fuck you very much.

But when it came to his computer, Mozilo couldn't buy a clue. After beleaguered homeowner Daniel Bailey Jr. sent the Countrywide CEO a form-letter email plea for a rate adjustment, a pissed-off but still filthy rich Mozilo hit the reply instead of the forward button and sent Bailey this message on Tuesday: "This is unbelievable. Most of these letters now have the same wording. Obviously they are being counseled by some other person or by the Internet. Disgusting."

A Los Angeles federal judge's recent ruling paved the way for a shareholder lawsuit against Mozilo and other Countrywide execs. The lender can add that black eye to its already packed list, which includes everything from a class-action suit alleging overtime violations to an outcry from homeowners impacted by Hurricane Katrina alleging broken promises.

But it wasn't the reply button that screwed Mozilo; no, that honor belongs to an online forum serviced by LoanSafe.org, whose form letter Bailey copied in his plea for leniency to Countrywide. Like any clever consumer, Bailey used the internet to his advantage and posted Mozilo's boneheaded response, which caught fire on LoanSafe and in the world at large shortly afterward. Any tween or teenager alive could have apprised Mozilo of the internet's power, especially to ruin those who underestimate that power.

If he didn't want kids to tell him he's dumb, he could have easily asked Burger King VP Stephen Grover or Whole Foods CEO John Mackey for advice -- both have been caught lurking online while posing as someone else. In the case of Grover, that would be his daughter, Shannon. In the case of Mackey, that would be an online anagram of his wife, Deborah. I guess it's true what they say about keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Grover impersonated his daughter by using her online ID "surfxaholix36" to defame the Coalition of Immokalee Workers (CIW), which has been lobbying Burger King to improve working conditions for tomato harvesters by increasing their price per pound by one penny, which would add $20 to their daily wage of $50. McDonalds and Yum! Brands, which owns Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC and more, have already agreed to it, but rather than follow suit, Grover instead slammed the CIW on YouTube and other sites with posts like this: "The CIW is an attack organization lining the leaders pockets. ... They make up issues and collect money from dupes that believe their story. ... The people protesting don't have a clue regarding the facts. A bunch of fools!"

After getting caught red-handed while dumbly sending such emails from Burger King's corporate headquarters in Miami, Grover finally gave up on his greed. While it cost Burger King around $300,000 annually to give the CIW what it says tomato harvesters need, the company's CEO clocked over $4 million last year while the company as a whole posted revenues over $2 billion in the same period. Before that happened, however, CIW had to be spied upon, tomato harvesters had to be harassed for what amounts to pennies a pound, and Grover had to blow it on the internet.

At last check, Burger King's company motto, adopted in 1973, was still "Have it your way."

Whole Foods CEO John Mackey seems down with that motto, as illustrated by the litany of anonymous posts he submitted to Yahoo! Finance message boards under the pseudonym "rahodeb." If you thought that Grover's lurking was bizarre, wait until you read Mackey's posts, which are, unbelievably, still online. In them, he shares everything from insider information on acquisitions, openings and stock issues to his open dislike of rival Wild Oats, which Whole Foods was poised to take over at the time.

"Would Whole Foods buy OATS?" Mackey asked as "rahodeb" in 2005. "Almost surely not at current prices. What would they gain? OATS locations are too small. ... (Wild Oats management) clearly doesn't know what it is doing. … OATS has no value and no future."

Evidently, as Whole Foods finally absorbed its chief rival two years later, a tampering complaint lodged with the SEC ended up ... clearing Mackey, who also happens to dislike unions as much as he disliked Wild Oats. That is, before he owned them.

Now, lest you think that this type of clearance gives you the stamp of approval to complain about your corrupt job or boss, think again. Whistleblowers from every corner of the corporate-governmental nexus, even outside of the United States, have been fired or demoted for airing their grievances. Maybe they should have gone online and posed as their daughters, or netted a few million in annual salary.

It could be said that these executive bunglers aren't bunglers at all, rather just oblivious all-stars who could give a shit. But the shareholder lawsuit against Mozilo and Countrywide or the SEC investigation of Mackey's Whole Foods malfeasance prove otherwise: These are happily ignorant offenders whose increased finesse on the internet could have saved their companies much trouble in the courtroom and the court of public opinion. After all, just because McDonald's agreed to CIW's demands doesn't mean they're all of a sudden corporate angels. As "Fast Food Nation" author Eric Schlosser has claimed, McDonald's has infiltrated organizations such as Greenpeace with clones of its own.

No, even at this late stage of the internet, CEOs and other suits have yet to realize how much the internet relies on details, like IP addresses, reply buttons and online IDs, and how their ignorance of these things can catch up with them some day.

Just not today.

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Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, Wired and others.

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Posted by: mbruton on Jun 11, 2008 3:36 AM   
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Anybody who ever thought a CEO was smart enough to use a computer has never met a CEO.

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Can we do without the expletives?
Posted by: Biflspud on Jun 11, 2008 4:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Seriously, is "fuck you very much" useful at all to the expose piece?

Any point in reading this article that decries the folly of, what, two or three, CEO strawmen, is lost in the shrill tone of the piece. You could write a similar piece on how my grandmother, who has been using AOL for about twenty years, is also an idiot with computers, then call her a douchebag for it. The audience would quickly side with my grandmother for you having insulted her, and the main gist of the article would be lost.

Oh, and Bill Gates... he's been a CEO before, right? I'd wager he knows how to operate a computer. Just an aside.

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» Oh Brother. Posted by: terradea42
» Forest, trees much? Posted by: Biflspud
» RE: Forest, trees much? Posted by: Chistoso
» RE: Forest, trees much? Posted by: Biflspud
» "Fuck" limits the audience Posted by: pete ess
Here's the bigger story....
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 11, 2008 5:04 AM   
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""The New York Sun spells out details here: "James Johnson, one of three people tapped by Mr. Obama recently to oversee the search for his running mate, took at least five real estate loans totaling more than $7 million from Countrywide Financial Corp. through an informal program for friends of the company's CEO, Angelo Mozilo, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday."

More: "The Journal said at least two of the mortgages, among a series of loans made available to people Countrywide officials called "friends of Angelo," were at rates below market averages, though it is difficult to predict a market rate without access to nonpublic information about a borrower's credit history and other factors that can reduce interest charges on a loan."

About James Johnson: He's part of the permanent government of this country, a long-time Democratic fixer (Mondale and Kerry campaigns), former CEO of Fannie Mae, and as such a big buyer of Countrywide loans. He's a guy who sits on a bunch of corporate boards, etc.

Outrage: "That reeks most high," said Bonnie Russell, a public relations specialist and vocal critic of Mr. Mozilo, according to the Sun. "Where's the 'change to believe in' if they're playing the same old game using the same old players?"""

Who cares if he can use a computer..democrats are tied into corporate America and are playing Americans for fools..just like the repubs..and Obama is smiling all the way to the Whitehouse!.. I wonder if he borrowed from countrywide to "buy" that "house"???

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» RE: Here's the bigger story....not Posted by: carbon-based
I don't believe any of this!
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 11, 2008 5:27 AM   
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CEO's who lead a corporation into deliberate violations of law are criminals, not bumbling nitwits. They're smart enough to grab big salaries and big bonuses, they're smart enough to know exactly how those perks were justified to their Board of Directors.

So which was it? Did organized crime move into corporate America, or did corporate America adopt the tactics of organized crime?

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» I think . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: I think . . . Posted by: Last Chance
Only with adult supervision
Posted by: TheDreamer on Jun 11, 2008 6:15 AM   
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I spent 30+ years as a programmer/systems analyst before retiring early due to medical disability.

During those years I developed and maintained ever more complex data processing and reporting systems for the marlketing and finance corporate suits in the two fortune 100 companies I worked for.

Back when there were group secretaries, these low paid executive aids knoew more about computers, software and comapny business than all the suits combined. This was the rule in groups I worked for. If a suit presented a lengthy powerpoint presentation to roundfs of applause from his peers, it was always a secretary who actually did the analysis and work.

In one job I worled long hours developing and expanding the comany's worldwode reporting system to allow an aklmost infinitate numer of reports, sliced and diced in any way a suit could dream, also allowing direct feed to spreadsheets, pdf or MS Access.

What was funny at the big celebration pow wow announcing the upgrade, the worldwide VP of reporting got a $250K bonus and I got a pat on the back. My boss was furious and protested that I was not even mentioned since I developed the entire system on my own.

After the meeting the veep stopped me in theb hall and asked what this reporting system was and where was it since this was the first time he heard of it, but he got a fat bonus for it.

I regularly had to help high level suits using email, web browsers, Excel, etc.

Many of the low level managers (my bosses included) usually had a moderate to advanced knowledege of computers and programming. We little people knew all the business rules and ow to implement them into systems. Suits viewed us as a necessary evil, treating us like children and eccentric geeks, but if it wasn't for us they couldn't find their own asses even with a rear view mirror, a jar of vaseline and a box of twinkies.

If a suit screwed up it was a backslapping good ole boy joke among hteier peers, but if a peon screwed up there was hell to pay. We were always cleaning up their messes.

When a veep or director requested something and we came through, we had to explain what it was they requested.

One funny event was when early one morning in the early days of the web a veep called me in his office to ask if I could fix a problem. He acted very embarassed and when he turned his monitor so i could see it, the home page was a large picture of a woman getting gang banged by a bunch of bikers. Seems he had been surfing porn sites and some virus infected his machine hijacking his browser and no matter where he clicked porn showed up. He swore me to secrecy claiming it must have been one of the night cleaning staff....sure it was. I wound up cleaning up his PC a few times.

But there were a few suits who were really sharp, know the business and were power users, but they were usually amoing lower line managers.

My boss once said to me chuckling, "he who is not capable of doing and producing anything useful, rises through the management ranks."

The compamy I worled for from teh 70's through the 90's had a fabulous CEO and founder who himself was a techno geek visionary. After teh flood of MBA'a a coup snsued and he was replaced by a guy who my boss wamred me "be afraid be very afraid, this will spell the destruction of the company", and sure enough he
drove the compamy into the ground and got a huge bonus after he sold off all the businesses, and all we got was a lousy tee shirt and a small severence package. I swear the new CEO had Bush blood in his family.

I began writing a book about my years in high tech, abandoned the project but may resurrect it again.

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» Re-frame Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» RE: e-frame Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Only with adult supervision Posted by: Blue Heron
» Write that book Posted by: pete ess
» RE: Only with adult supervision Posted by: lavendula13
» RE: Only with adult supervision Posted by: TheDreamer
Remember that FedEx commercial . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Jun 11, 2008 6:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Where the floor manager--a no-nonsense black woman--finds the new boss in his office with his feet up on the desk, reading the paper. She takes him on a tour of the office, pointing things he'll have to learn and be responsible for . . . until he gets frustrated and tells her: "I don't think you understand, I have an MBA."

To which she replies: "Oh you have a MBA! Sorry then . . . I'm going to have to show you how to use the photocopier."

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CEOs only need to know about management, not programming.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 11, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Besides, they're rich enough already. If they were even smarter, you would be even more ripped off. DON'T WAKE UP THE SLEEPING GIANT.

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By the way, don't limit this to CEOs. From my friends experience, gov't depts do this too.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 11, 2008 6:57 AM   
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For one year, he had a government contract position as a Systems Analyst and Programmer. He worked in BIA. After he successfully built a web site and database based on the customer feedback and requirements gathering, corruption among the leaders was exposed and so too were the financial scams and accounting misreportings and security loopholes that their 1970s outdated terminal system allowed. He had to run a one-man show and in the end, despite the great progress, he was laid off while lazy ass do-nothing fed employees were given "promotions". He now works in the Secretary of Treasury but loves his new contract and is currently working on his master's degree online towards IT Management. These are the kinds of business leaders we need. Knowledge, experience, and power to fight back corruption. Ok, he's working on the last one and I'm helping him out on that one.

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MISSING THE POINT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 11, 2008 7:03 AM   
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CEO's are not stupid. They simply refuse to do anthing that someone can do for them. It's a way of shirking accountability. anthing done on a computer is forever. E-mail doesn't go away. High level mgmt. knows this. So they get someone else to do it for them. They try to be amusing by pretending to be stupid. It's a clever way to avoid taking responsibility. People fall for it all the time. These same people often "don't recall". Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: MISSING THE POINT Posted by: Last Chance
Excellent Article and TRUTHFUL
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 11, 2008 7:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
LOL, I have been in the IT department for a large hospital for many years and this article hit the nail on the head. Seems with all the education and diplomas hanging on the wall they would have at least some common sense when it comes to computers. but they don't.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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Dumb CEOs
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Jun 11, 2008 8:20 AM   
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Dumb CEOs? In my America?

It's more likely than you think.

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Ignorant CEOs
Posted by: sunlakedude on Jun 11, 2008 9:04 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm not sure why the author was talking about Burger King and the tomato growers union (a fight I took online action on) and then suddenly, at the end of the story,is talking about Mc Donalds. Anyway, the reality is and the way things are today, there are rules for upper managment (CEOs) and then there are rules for everyone else. If I screw up royally on the job, I will get fired and I might or might not even get my unused vacation pay. But if a CEO screws up and drives the company she/he is running into the ground, well, then they might have to give up their job but they won't suffer financially for it at all. I understand that shareholders of many of these corporations are starting to put their foot down about this issue but there is still too much of this going on. If a CEO fails and is dismissed he shouldn't end up get awarded financially for his failure and, right now, that's the way things are.

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Write Your Congressman
Posted by: dockboy on Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM   
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Write your congressman and ask him/her to sponsor a bill requiring computer literacy in order to become a CEO.

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A Good Laugh (or cry)
Posted by: BigElectricCat on Jun 11, 2008 5:18 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Unfortunately, the rewarding of incompetence filters down to all levels of middle management as well. Years ago I read "The Dilbert Principle" (I believe Scott Adams' first book). Interspersed with the comic strip and broad humor, you'd think it would be good for a laugh.

Upon reading it (it is hilarious if you've ever worked amid company politics, and actually had skills!), I realized it could be a text book. As broad and ridiculously comical as all the situations were, everything put forward was 100% accurate!!

Here's a sample:

"Employees Are Our Most Valuable Asset"
Let's say your boss has a broken desk chair and there's no money left in the budget to replace it. is it more likely your boss would;

A. Sit on the floor until the next budget cycle.

B. Use a non-management chair despite the lower status it confers on the sitter.

C. Postpone filling a job opening in the group, distribute the extra work to the "most valuable assets," and use the savings to buy a proper chair.


I guess you can laugh or cry, depending on which chair you sit:)

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TOP 8 MORONS OF 2007
Posted by: SouthernWolf on Jun 12, 2008 3:47 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
From an email list:
1. WILL THE REAL DUMMY PLEA STAND UP? AT&T fired President John Walter after nine months, saying he lacked intellectual leadership. He received a $26 million severance package. Perhaps it's not Walter who's lacking intelligence....

We are being managed as a people by stupid corporations which in turn are managed and mismanaged by stupid and grasping men who manipulate the public through the media then pilfer, helped by government, from the public its wealth and inalienable rights. Would our esteemed founding fathers and mothers have tolerated any more this tyranny than they did monarchical tyranny?

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