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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Wall Street's Racket Has Gone Too Far, and We're Going to Pay the Heavy Price

By James Howard Kunstler, Kunstler.com. Posted May 22, 2008.


There's a great wish for American finance to return to business-as-usual happy days of high profits, but there's just too much debt to swallow.
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"Far from normal."

Those were the words that Fed chairman Ben Bernanke has used to describe the financial markets (and by extension, the economy) these heady spring days when everybody else with a rostrum, it seems, has pronounced the so-called liquidity crisis contained. There's a great wish for American finance to return to business-as-usual -- raking in fantastic fees for innovating new modes of tradable paper and engineering mergers and buyouts that generate huge fees plus $100 million kiss-offs for corporate CEOs in the noble struggle to dismantle America's productive capacity -- but apparently events are still out of hand.

The Federal Reserve itself has been instrumental in promoting abnormality by doing everything possible to prevent the work-out of bad debts in the system. Since money is loaned into existence, and loans are debts, the work-out of bad debt suggests the discovery that a lot of money has disappeared -- which is exactly the case. The Fed has postponed the work-out by sucking up truckloads of impaired, untradable securities in exchange for loans to giant banks that don't have enough cash on hand to pay their janitors.

Personally, my theory has been that the specter of peak oil pretty clearly implies the inability of industrial economies to continue producing real wealth in the customary way. In the face of this, either consciously or at a more mystical level, the worker bees in banking recognize that, in order to maintain their villas in the Hamptons, money has to be loaned into existence some other way (than in the service of industrial productivity).

We've tried just about everything else. There was the so-called service economy, an attempt to replace manufacturing with hamburger sales. Then there was the information economy, in which work would be replaced with knowing about stuff. Then there was the tech thing, which was about bringing internet companies that existed only on the back of cocktail napkins to the initial public offering stage of capitalization -- which allowed a few hundred or so 30-year-old smoothies to retire to vineyards in the Napa Valley while hundreds of thousands of retirees lost half the value of their investment portfolios. Then there was the housing boom, which was all about the creation of more suburban sprawl under the theory that houses (or "homes," in the jargon of the Realtors) represent an obvious sort of wealth, and therefore that using houses as collateral would allow humongous sums of money to be loaned into existence -- along with massive fees for structuring the loans into bundles of bond-like thingies.

This has all failed now because the racket went too far. Every possible candidate for a snookering got snookered. Too much collateral for which there were no takers went into the ground. The insane run-up in house values made a downward price movement inevitable, and as soon as the turnaround happened, it fell into the remorseless algebra of a deflationary death spiral. More importantly, however, this society ran out of tricks for loaning money into existence and instead began to experience the pain of money thought to be in existence being defaulted into a vapor -- and worse, these defaults led to logarithmic chains of money destruction in its places of origin, the investment banks that had created the racket.

The important part of this is that the money is gone. What makes matters truly eerie is that the "bubble" in suburban houses has occurred at exactly the moment in history when the chief enabling resource for suburban life -- oil -- has entered its scarcity stage.

The logical conclusion of all this is not what the American public wants to hear: We have become a much poorer society and are now faced with the unavoidable task of making major changes in how we live. All the three-card monte moves at the highest level of finance lately amount to an effort to avoid the unavoidable, acknowledging our losses. Certainly the political fallout of all this will be awesome. But it's not about politics, really. It's about the entire society's inability to form a workable new consensus of reality.

It's hard to predict how long these institutions at the heart of our economic system can linger in the "far from normal" limbo of pretending that money has not been defaulted out of existence. Since the same process is under way in Great Britain and Spain, places beyond the control of Bernanke, Secretary Henry Paulson and the Boyz on Wall Street, and since actions and reactions there will affect the destiny of money here, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that we're at most months away from the brutal recognition that Wall Street has managed to bankrupt itself (and, by extension, the United States). This is the dark heart of the matter of which no one dares speak.

Meantime, on the ground, every mook and minion in the land sees the gas pumps levitate beyond the $4 hash mark, and notes with bugged-out eyes the double-digit price stickers on common supermarket items, and feels the rush of blood from the extremities when some checkout clerk at Wal-Mart declares that a certain proffered credit card is maxed out, and some strangers in overalls -- the neighbors say -- managed to hot-wire the GMC Sierra in the driveway, and took it away ...

The candidates for president will have a lot to talk about. I wonder if they'll dare to.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of, most recently, World Made by Hand.



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We have been scammed.
Posted by: Uriahz on May 22, 2008 12:23 AM   
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Congratulations, America! We will now get to deal with a proper Great Depression! Hope you're up to the challenge.

Here we are, an economy 1.7 times greater in size than the one of 1970, and yet after adjusting for inflation, we are 10% poorer as individuals. And now we face the fallout of having our entire credit structure collapse out from under us, utterly crippling people's ability to acquire homes and build and improve businesses, ensuring a damn hard time digging ourselves out of this mess. It's gonna be a rough decade coming up, you can be assured of that. The Troubled Teens, we'll look back on.

And you know what? It's not hard to make a list of who's responsible. We know who's been profiting, or more properly, profiteering off this debacle. We know who benefits, and it's not the upper middle class any more than it's the rest of us.

I recommend we strip them of their assets. They stole it from the American People, and I don't give a damn if they did it legally or not at a time when dollars buy Senators. They are traitors to their people and should be dealt with as such.

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» Yes! Strip Their Assests!!! Posted by: Gravitas
» Yes! Strip Their Assests!!! Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: We have been scammed. Posted by: wbblack
Who Will Tell the People?
Posted by: mmckinl on May 22, 2008 12:40 AM   
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Who will tell the people that we, the United States, are bankrupt and have little to no capacity to work ourselves out of the problem? But isn't that the definition of insolvency or bankruptcy, that not even the interest on the principle can be paid. That the total debt far outweighs the worth of the enterprise. Between Consumer Debt and Government Debt (Federal, State, Local) we owe more than the whole thing is worth.

To add insult to injury all this is occurring as the Baby Boomers head for retirement and the most important commodity in the world, oil, has peaked, and with it any hope of pulling our way out of the quicksand of debt we find ourselves sinking in.

The Great Reckoning is upon us and if you think the politicians will tell us the truth do I have a NINJA Loan for you!

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» RE: Who Will Tell the People? Posted by: obliu222
Tiny bubbles . . . make me happy
Posted by: Rune on May 22, 2008 12:57 AM   
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"More importantly, however, this society ran out of tricks for loaning money into existence and instead began to experience the pain of money thought to be in existence being defaulted into a vapor -- and worse, these defaults led to logarithmic chains of money destruction in its places of origin, the investment banks that had created the racket."

Oh, come on, Howard, have some faith in the all-American art of flim-flam economics. Tricks for loaning money is a renewable resource, is it not?

Why, I bet betcha there must be at least a few sharp finance MBAs working on a plan to inflate carbon credits into the next great bubble, even as I type this. Put together a quasi-governmental network of corporate interests, give yourself rights for a low, low ante, trade a few for kicks, then start the speculative futures market in those goodies while Biff and Skippy start bundling them into new and improved derivative based financial instruments and we got us a whole new round of liars poker to play!

I'm in! What's the margin?

Oh, and pass the cheese doodles, would ya? The line at the market dumpster was unreal, so I'm starvin'!

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Sadder Still
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 22, 2008 2:47 AM   
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The hard working people who didn't borrow and spend to keep up with the Jonses, take a "Home Equity Loan" against vaporous appreciation, play the market like a casino or anything else have most of their retirement tied up in 401k and 403b funds that will have been severely damaged or wrecked by these shenanigans. Mutual Funds are NOT backed by any Federal program and there is not enough private cash out there to cover the losses. These people played by the rules and will still have gotten burned badly.

So we have a society full of personal, corporate and governmental debt. We have a generation about to retire with a declining and uninsured retirement portfolio in the face of heavy inflation of food and energy. We have an economy that makes few things of real value trapped in a debt bomb with a steadily declining currency. We have millions of families trapped 'upside down' into homes worth less than their mortgages would suggest.

On top of that we have, thanks to shortsighted and greedy tax cuts and rollbacks, a national infrastructure falling apart before our eyes due to a generation of neglect- starting with Jarvis' Prop 13 back in the 1970's and no tax base with which to raise the money needed to repair it.

The Emperor has no clothes, is broke, uneducated and ill-informed, over-weight, out of shape and past his prime. The Emperor is still largely deluded into thinking he is still the unrivaled master of all he surveys. The Emperor is the USA.

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» You may be a bigger chump Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Sadder Still Posted by: speakingout
Have the lessons been learned?
Posted by: xvictor on May 22, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Just a few short years ago, the reichwingers derided anyone who criticized Bush and his economic policies, foolishing believing we have entered a new era in prosperity under the benign administration of the Repugnican Party. They have also denounced those who possess gold assets. Wall Street can do no wrong for the country, so it's better and patriotic to hold stock and bonds than hard assets, so they erroneously believed.

Actually, the "prosperity" we had been experiencing was simply from debt and using homes as ATM machines to finance purchases, giving the illusion of the prosperity. I could run up my credit card debt and feel rich as well, but I'd feel stupid in the end, and justifiably so.

Ill-advised tax cuts, over-liquidity and running up debt: that pretty much sums up the economic policy of the last several years. God help us. God help us all.

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Stop being suckers
Posted by: keyinside on May 22, 2008 6:06 AM   
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If you are a voter that keeps voting Democrat or Republican, you are a sucker.

These two sides of the same elitist coin have been screwing us for decades now.

Are you tired of it? Yes? Are you going to have the guts and integrity to stop voting for them?

The Green Party of the United States is the only political party that does not take special interest funding, and supports real, sustainable economics.

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» RE: Stop being suckers Posted by: dockboy
Good piece
Posted by: fifthworld on May 22, 2008 6:07 AM   
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Kunstler always seems "spot on" about the states of affairs under corporate capital and growth at all costs. If he'd lose the Zionism he'd be a lot better in the rest of his writing...

Oh and the answer to his closing rhetorical question is "no" - Obama can't touch Wall St. - duhhhh.

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The second great depression...
Posted by: Farasien on May 22, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Is here. What middle america fails, in fact, CHOOSES to ignore is that we're just about to drop off the financial edge. There is alot to be said about how this was engineered, how long ago and by whom, but at the heart of all of this giant tumor are 2 giant, nasty roots... greed and complacency. When the fed was given free reign to rape the USA, nobody stood up and demanded heads, and its been an issue nobody's willing to touch for generations. Thanks alot, great-grandma and grandpa. When Truman warned us against the military industrial complex, we went back to our plastic lives and passed it off as laughable. Thanks alot, grandma and grandpa. When the war was stopped dead in VietNam, the hippies quickly learned the love of money that gave us the yuppie tidal wave and everyone forgot about making the world a more livable, less horrid place. Thanks alot, mom and dad. When the bushco stole their way into office, my generation shrugged and went back to their damn playstations and watching reruns of Friends. Sorry folks. The incoming generation barely understands politics and money at all, and thinks it too boring a subject to pull themselves away from their Xboxes and american idol for 10 minutes to look into. Though they haven't gotten THEIR chance to FUBAR the system yet, its coming and I have little doubt the ball will get dropped yet again. Though people are finally starting to get a sense that there is something fundamentally wrong going on, nobody is yet willing to really do anything about it but bitch and moan a little, if even that. The people losing jobs are still somebody else. The (multiple!) wars overseas are still little more than a slow news-day's fodder on TV. In today's world, corruption is fashionable, ignorance is acceptable, illusion is more important than reality, blind acceptance better than competency or questioning, morality and ethics are ambiguous and work, sacrifice and action take too much effort, so here we are and down we go. We can't vote ourselves into a better world, folks. Fighting from within will no longer work. The system itself is at fault, and we are accomplices to its decline. We are about to pay the price for literal generations of idiot culture, and in the coming environment, all the rules of civility in society we've come to understand will be made invalid.

Where we go from here is the main question nobody seems to be asking lately. I don't know if its because people don't believe there will BE a future or laziness or fear that's stopping us, but we need to do it, and soon.

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I wish Senator Obama could read this
Posted by: steven w on May 22, 2008 7:14 AM   
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article. This would be a good campaign talking point(s).

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The Author made many astute and correct observations but misses the real point of the current crisis
Posted by: yellow on May 22, 2008 7:54 AM   
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The author of the piece blames the FED for "not allowing bad debt to work its way out of the system." Perhaps, but to refuse big banks liquidity at this point would mean a dry up of credit, foreclosures and massive homelessness and a deep depression from which no one would gain anything. The point is to provide relief, recovery and reform in the form of massive financial regulation as well as a program of progressive taxation on speculative wealth that could be used to fund new, real wealth generating sectors of the US economy. This would create full employment in such new programs as a universal health care system, urban mass transit, renewable energy and infrastructure repair.

The author also follows the observation of the 1970s era hollowing out of America's industrial base with a number of schemes for creating illusory wealth such as the dot.com craze, financial speculation, services and housing and equity bubbles. What in fact he is observing is the post-Fordist phenomenon of financialization. Industrial capitalism, based on rising middle class incomes and the production of consumer durables and housing and all the related services became burdened by overproduction and a falling profit rate. An increasingly skewed distribution of wealth led to low effective demand which lowered investment and slowed real GDP growth. Unable to continue profitably on the Fordist model, capitalists switched to financialization and the continued concentration and centralization of capital on a global basis. The problem is not to restore manufacturing. There is already several trillions of dollars of domestic manufacturing output produced annually in the US economy. The problem is that this output requires very little labor compared to years ago. The real option for recovery is massive public investment and progressive taxation.

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Unbridled Capitalism is anti Democratic....as we are seeing everyday..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 22, 2008 8:07 AM   
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~They suffer least who suffer what they choose~

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Cheer up!
Posted by: kackermann on May 22, 2008 8:14 AM   
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You want the troops home? It's coming soon.

In fact, the collapse of Wall Street kicks the legs out from every Republican ideal. They will all be liberals soon.

The New Deal came about from economic collapse. The New, New Deal will too.

The government is a contract between citizens for our common good. The well was poisoned when corporations were given the same rights as people.

The New, New Deal should strip that provision.

Is the government going serve the people, or does it want mob rule? Watch what happens when someone's child starts missing meals. You just watch what that parent will do.

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» RE: Cheer up! Posted by: shinseiji
You Guys Kill Me
Posted by: dockboy on May 22, 2008 8:59 AM   
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The economically clueless trying to tell the rest of us what's wrong with our economy. The answer is always, "strip the rich, and give me their weath." What the heck have you done to deserve that wealth anymore than they have?

The problem is, "progressive" elements in our society and government have agreed to allow board members to ignore stockholders. But you don't care, because you'd rather buy computer games, beer, etc rather than save your money to invest for your retirement (which means becoming stockholders, rather directly or indirectly). You seem to think stockholders are just greedy bastards who deserve less than you, who would rather sit around an your asses, and just bitch & moan.

Make corporations and board members responsible to the stockholder again. When they're not protected from being voted off the board, they'll shape up and do their jobs.

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» RE: You Guys Kill Me Posted by: badkitty
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» RE: You Guys Kill Me Posted by: JSquercia
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» RE: You Guys Kill Me Posted by: radagast_23
Who Began Buying Up The Gold Decades Ago?
Posted by: Von on May 22, 2008 10:26 AM   
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They, ( the US corporate - goverenment ) began buying it up while they 'basically' confiscated ' We The People's '.

While they were buying up something real..something Tangible....we were seemingly appeased or kept happy or kept at bay on CREDIT or Federal Reserve Notes.

Just how much gold will this Federal Reserve Note get us if a day ever comes to go back to a gold standard? Not much.

The BANK'S lethal game they played on us by paper money and credit has reached it's final stages. Not only did this DOG chase it's own tail, IT'S NOW BEGAN TO DEVOUR ITSELF. The DOG ( the BANK ) applied a ploy as if it were Our Best Friend...........but it has turned rabid.

These governments..these weapons manufacturers..these 'do-gooders' in America and other countries seem to use their citizens as props to try to give themselves a 'right of existing' or a that they are doing something productive.

Imagine being at one of the Arms Bizarres where countries are seeing , inspecting and buying weapons. What kind of talk is going in in these Weapons Shows? " This baby here can avoid early radar detection and slip into a city with nobody suspecting anything until it's too late."

It's Madness

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who has been POLISHING the package?
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 22, 2008 12:01 PM   
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I mean... its all pretty inbred, corrupt & we all know it...

what lingers in my mind?

who the hell is polishing the Balls as the Wall comes down?


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» this made more sense... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
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Wall Street-War Criminal
Posted by: matthood on May 22, 2008 1:41 PM   
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It seems that now days that the only thing that Wall Street does is to fabricate new ways out of old ways to cheat the public in their get quick rich road to wealth. Subprime needs to be called what is! Loan Sharking, usury of the ungodly kind that destroyes cities by the wrath of God. Subprime is a form of coveting thy neighbors wealth by fabricating a way to rob him through stupidity. Will a day ever come when their will be no scandles on Wall Street.

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Healing Hawk
Posted by: healinghawk on May 22, 2008 1:48 PM   
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What no one has said here is that the root cause of this mess was when Congress repealed the Glass Steagal Act and Brother Bill Clinton signed it into law even though he knew nothing replaced it. By this action, the financial industry was unregulated, and by one who calls himself a Democrat, last I heard. As a person from the Green wing of the Democratic Party who works with the Obama campaign, I say it's time for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party to take over from the Republican Lite wing. It's too late to prevent massive suffering in the US, but with Obama we can get a new New Deal and rebuild the social and economic safety nets. If we do it right, it can be made irreversible.

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We got what we deserve
Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 22, 2008 2:40 PM   
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For all of you that voted republican, I've got to ask - what possessed you? Couldn't you see that trickle down voodoo economics weren't trickling down to you. Were you not paying
attention to the scandals - savings & loans, Abramoff, etc.? Do you think those are just the
fabrications of the "liberal media". Well here's a clue George W. Bush has never successfully run
a business, as the Gov. of Texas - that state had the highest teen pregnancy rate, a high rate of illiteracy, one of the lowest student aptitude scores, and the highest death penalty
rate, etc. The supposedly "liberal media" gave
him a pass. These were things no one ever questioned, so much for "liberal media" doing their jobs. But you people lapped it up. And yet you're surprised that we are now in the position that we are in as a country. You people have been voting against your pocketbook for the last 30 years, and yet you continue to buy into the lies of the "cultural issues", as these people are stealing us blind.
Forget the welfare queens, the biggest welfare
recipients are the corporations whose CEO's are
paid mega $$'s while stiffing the shareholders
and paying the rest of the employees a pittance.
Instead of blaming the immigrants for taking your "jobs" maybe you should look at how many people whose jobs have gone overseas. For the lies about who is "taking" your job exactly what
job are you talking about - from what I see the
immigrants are working construction jobs and many times they are stiffed on their paychecks,
they are the clean-up crews, they are picking the vegetables, and working in the fast-food industry - because as Americans some of us are
too good to work in those areas.

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Why are Americans so vulnerable, so ignorant?
Posted by: Cathyc on May 22, 2008 3:16 PM   
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Google GORE VIDAL JON SNOW INTERVIEW CHANNEL 4 (UK tv) -- if I could, I would post the link of this interview (22 May 08) here, but, for some reason, I never succeed in posting links on Alternet.

NB. I'm not saying I agree with everything Gore Vidal says, but its an interesting interview, nevertheless.

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Walls Come Tumbling Down.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 22, 2008 4:54 PM   
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The supposed beneficiaries,of such a con, don't start asking questions until,the good times end.
The switching on of brains is, long overdue ,and comes,just as the whole system is creaking..

We used to beleive,that we needed a manufacturing base.This has been replaced,with non-productive,stockmarket lunacy.
The huckster's, con artist's and business guru's have been trusted with,our money.
Dracula, has literally, been left in charge of the bloodbank .
These Masters of the Universe told the world:

"hey,don't worry , you can do anything with numbers"

,and that

"the old rules don't apply anymore"

The discipline,of balanced budgets has been thrown out of the window.

This is the ethos of Enron..those lauded, modern alchemists,who were exposed as wearing the Emporer's new clothes.
Enron claimed,to have produced a miracle ,and were "The Economist"' magazines,most admired corporation for several years.
Even,so called heavyweights,who should have asked questions earlier,failed to do so.The problem is,that these people, bought into the mindset,and disengaged their brains.
If I was as bad,at my job,(nursing),i'd have been sacked years ago.Bloody amateurs.
Sadly, people brought it,because they were riding the gravy train.

Those masters of economics JM Keynes, and JK Galbraith,firmly warned against, those upstarts who claim to have divined, magical new economic theories,which render the essential rules redundant.

The greatest trick,the Bush Gang have perpetrated on America,is that it is somehow "Un-American"to ask questions"..
Keep nibbling the cheese,and turning the wheels you zombies.
But you aren't alone,here in the UK,people have borrowed,against their property,and maxed out on their card's,thinking that the good times will last forever.It's a global phenomenon,these days.

We can't say,that the warning signs weren't there. Enron was merely a symptom ,of this rottenness.Certainly the sub-prime disaster, bears the same hallmark of overreaching arrogance,and again..putting greed before discipline..I would guess,that there are a lot of frauds and misaccounting fiasco's waiting to be discovered.



Unrestrained capitalism has a tendency to eat itself,and everything in it's path.It is the id,and the id needs to be controlled.
The most successful capitalist societies,always had mechanisms of restraint.These societies..like Social democrat Sweden,or newly industrialised Germany,invested in a long term future..They put the money back,into new machinery,and high quality training.They also shared the fruits of success.

Sadly in the post-Reagan world,the markets,have become bigger than any government,and not answerable to the people..(or in the case of Bush..the government is merely the executive arm of the corporations).
This historically,unprecedented, concentration of corporate power in few hands,has eroded democracy.Now the lack of scrutiny, (as seen in the sub prime market for instance), lack of regulation,and ignorant acceptance of hogwash economics,have dragged us all to the brink of imminent depression.

The problem is ,that as recession bites deeper,many good people,will suffer,while the baddies will waltz into the sunset.

Conversely,this could be a time of opportunity..to increase democracy,and stop the market ruling us.We should never have allowed so much power,to be grasped by the unelected Murdoch's of the World.Wouldn't it be fantastic to grab,that power back.

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israel
Posted by: durruti on May 22, 2008 8:51 PM   
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wall street stolen money? building atomic bombs in Israel.

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Who does Kunstler think he is? Daddy Warbucks?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 22, 2008 10:55 PM   
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What is the relationship between a journalist who has made his reputation writing about how ugly our nation has become and how lousy our community planning is and the same journalist giving us investment advice?

I can look out my window and verify what Kunstler says about the concrete jungles and peak oil. But when it comes to Wall Street, if he does not add a time and date to his predictions, he is just shouting "boo."

Well, boo to you too. Stick to cosmetics and leave the serious stuff to those who already have their lives on the line trying to make it work.

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I know who will tell the people
Posted by: cwilsondrum on May 23, 2008 12:50 AM   
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China. when the chinese come to collect their debt. and we don't have it. they will in essence own the united states of america. and don't think we can shrug it off. by then, Blackwater will be working for the chinese(they will have real money to pay them with),so we will be foreclosed on by the chinese with blackwater as their enforcer,(still protected by the Iraq War,paul bremer,laws of no laws.) get ready to live in the street.

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A DEPRESSION comes along only every once a Century of so.....
Posted by: cgandpg on May 24, 2008 3:42 AM   
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Bravo, Mr. Kunstler, for the excellent Big Picture overview of our economy and how we got into this mess! You are right about the Consensus Reality being in limbo right now. People got caught up in the myth, which quickly morphed into mania, that the Housing Boom would continue forever! For sixty years, on a national level, that had been true, thanks to the FED inflating every year to juice the economy.

The Credit/Housing Bubbles burst only when UBS (Switzerland's $3Trillion Bank) got a bit concerned with the build-up of Billions of Mortgage Securities it had on its books, and decided to experiment by selling $100 Million on the Market to see what would happen. Guess what! The highly rated Mortgage Securities only fetched $50 Million! Ergo, the World-Wide Credit Crunch ensued from discovery of Mark to Market within a matter of days last August. (Remember only last July when Business Week and other U.S.magazines had celebratory covers: "The Economy is as Good as It Gets!") The warehoused bundles of securitized mortgages were stored in the dark, and only the growing early defaults shed light on the nature of these "science projects" which were totally untested.

The populace is still rather shell-shocked, despite the many "bottom-seeking" stories. as Kunstler pointed out. However, Richard Russell of the Dow Theory Letter, has turned bullish once again as he did last JULY, and even the Bookies in Las Vegas are now betting there will be no recession. Warren Buffett, the Oracle of Nabraska, says there's plenty of liquidity around, just the dumb money is gone. However, can there be a return of "happy days" when Housing is still in a freefall? Without the Bedroom ATMs, the average American is broke -- has only 19 days of reserves left. There are 28 Million Americans on Food Stamps, as was reported by London newspaper, the Independent, which ran a cover story showing New Yorkers in a long line waiting to receive help, with a caption over the bleak photograph, which read: "The American 'Greater Depression of 2008' ". My greatest concern which could trigger off a Panic could easily come from the $62 Trillion Credit Default Swaps, which caused Bear, Stearns demise. We haven't had a Panic since 1991. This next one, I believe, will be greater due to its global scale.

The BBC has recently accused the United States of being responsible for the massive starvation of 73 Million People in the 33 poorest countries due to artificially low interest rates to aid the insolvent banking system. This has made all Commodities go parabolic, making the main food source, rice, so unaffordable as well as unavailable, that people in Haiti and other poverty-stricken countries have resorted to eating Mud Pies just to fill their belly! A dire prediction by Dr. Robert Shiller of Yale, a favorite economist I resonate with, of the Case-Shiller Index, believes the FED will be forced to cut interest rates all the way to ZERO before the end of 2008, a la JAPAN style, as the economy worsens.

The prognosis for the United States economy hardly sounds all that promising when you get beyond the hype. I agree with Mr. Kunstler that Wall Street (and its Banksters) will be exposed for their unmitigated greed and total disregard of the consequences resulting from their unsavory actions.

We have been in a Financial Economy for over three decades. The SHADOW BANKING SYSTEM created from out of thin air Trillions of Dollars in ABCP "funny money" backed by the Subprime Slime Securitization, falsely rated Triple-A, which contaminated the rest of the world markets seeking yield through our junk mortgages. The recent $300 Billion Bailout for Homeowners (i.e., the insolvent banks, that is) will not work. Why not? Because 75% of these defaulting mortgages (according to Caroline Baum/ Bloomberg) are owned by Overseas Investors. Whatever the FED/Congress does will only make matters worse.

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How will it happen?
Posted by: worksg1 on May 24, 2008 1:25 PM   
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Kunstler's point has been made before although not always with such eloquence. David Walker, the head of the Government Accountability Office, has been telling us this for years. When, as the Comtroller General of the United States, he says we've passed the point of no return, only a fool would doubt it.

The burning question is, how will the catastrophe unfold? Will we have deflation (scarcity of money) as in the Great Depression? Will we have a runaway inflation (worthless money) as Germany did in the 30s and Zimbabwe has now? Or will we try it Japanese style, by "discovering" the problem little by little and stretching the agony out over decades? However we do it, the poor and people depending on Social Security, Medicare and fixed incomes will suffer the most.

But let's try to remember that we did this to ourselves by living beyond our means. Fixing it will take many years. Let's not go the way of the Weimar Republic and elect a Hitler who promises a quick fix. There isn't any.

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The US government is not bankrupt.
Posted by: Von on May 24, 2008 11:39 PM   
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Someone prove to me that the US government is bankrupt.

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