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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Immigration Hardliners Pushing Pointless SAVE Act Through Congress

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted May 6, 2008.


A perfect example of short-sighted public policy.
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There’s nothing like a lot of well-organized noise to get lawmakers crackin’ on some truly brain-dead public policy. When people scream, ‘do something, anything!!’ legislators usually do, and the results are almost always ugly.

A good example is the SAVE Act, an enforcement-only immigration bill being hashed out in hearings this week on The Hill. It would cause abundant problems for employers and workers — citizens and legal immigrants as much as unauthorized workers — and would do absolutely nothing to fix our broken immigration system.

The bill would require employers to verify 130 million workers against a Social Security database over the next four years. So far, one percent of employers have been participating in a pilot program, and the error rate — the rate of false “no-match” findings — is around 8 percent. The overall number of incorrect records in the database is estimated to be around 17 million.

A creaky federal bureaucracy would be flooded with false no-matches, and they’d have to resolve each case within ten days or the employee — legal, illegal immigrants and citizens alike — would be fired if they failed to do so. If you have faith in the government’s ability to expedite those investigations in just ten days, then I have a lovely bridge you might consider as an investment property.

Of course, most employers who hire undocumented workers know they’re doing so, and choose to operate in our largely unregulated shadow economy because the incentives for doing so are great. That leaves lawmakers a choice between enacting very severe penalties for avoiding the system — penalties which would result in discrimination against workers who look like they might be undocumented — or set penalties that wouldn’t change the basic risk/benefit equation for employers in any real way. And as long as that’s the case, it wouldn’t significantly change the incentives for the workers.

“Enforcement only” has already proven to be ineffective in dealing with the kind of black markets in which employers buy unauthorized workers’ labor. It’s been 36 years since Richard Nixon first proclaimed a War on Drugs, and 35 years since the passage of the “Rockefeller” drug laws, with their long mandatory sentences for drug offenders. 25 years ago, Ronald Reagan promised a renewed effort in the drug war, with plenty of new law enforcement. All of these measures were unveiled with great fanfare amid promises that the “scourge” of illicit drugs would come to an end.

Billions of dollars and tens of thousands of incarcerations later, and anyone reading this in the U.S. can go purchase illegal drugs nearby and without much hassle.

And even if it weren’t an exercise in futility, who would enforce it? We have a sector of the economy where anything goes because the resources for enforcing workplace laws and worker protections have been slashed and slashed again during the past three decades.

The bill would also require law enforcement personnel to serve as ICE agents, investigating those suspected of immigration violations. That’s an invitation to racial profiling — between 70-80 percent of Latinos, for example, are citizens and/or permanent residents, and many would be asked to show their papers, please. But more than that, it’s a collosally stupid prioritization of finite law enforcement resources. Being in this country without paperwork isn’t a crime at all; entering without going through a checkpoint is a class B misdemeanor — the legal equivalent of passing a bad check for a small sum. And Congress would mandate that law enforcement agencies expend man- and woman-hours and other resources to catch these people? I’d prefer they did real cop stuff — focusing on violent crimes or major rip-offs.


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Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.



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Looks like they have set themselves up for an immediate injunction and subsequent losses in court
Posted by: Rune on May 6, 2008 12:48 PM   
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"The bill would also require law enforcement personnel to serve as ICE agents, investigating those suspected of immigration violations. That’s an invitation to racial profiling . . ."

It is also a blatant violation of the 10th amendment, and thus unconstitutional. The feds have no constitutional authority from which they can impose duties or procedures on state or local law enforcement because there is nothing in the Constitution to give them such authority and, there being no right reserved to do so, the states are free to make up their own rules for their law enforcement officers.

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Here's the problem.
Posted by: SOWILO on May 6, 2008 2:28 PM   
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In all of the articles regarding immigration on Alternet, no one talks about repealing NAFTA and CAFTA, no one wants to hold Mexico accountable for pushing the Mestizo's north of the border rather than help them integrate into THEIR society, and no one talks about the real economic cost of integrating the children of illegal immigrants into the "system."

I live in Los Angeles, and daily I see the blight in the communities and the suffering of undocumented Latinos in my community. Amnesty would not work, because that would set a dangerous precedent. Our economy cannot sustain this number of people. Everyday I see undocumented families buying hot dogs from the 99 cent store to feed their obese five-year-olds, diabetics from Guatemala who have no hope of going to the doctor.

What I always see on Alternet are accusations of "xenophobia" to those of us who want successful immigration reform or the return of these people back to their home countries.

What I NEVER see on alternet are programmatic solutions and a step by step plan to successfully integrate these people into our society at a low cost to naturalized citizens. Nor to I see a programmatic plan to successfully reform immigration or humanely send them back home.

All I see are accusations, sneering at plans like what is written about in the article (which I agree won't work) but no concrete plans otherwise. Alternet's plan seems to be "deal with it" with no real help for these immigrants.

What's going on, Alternet? What's the plan? How are we supposed to get Universal Health Care, when a good portion of our citizenry (20 million) may be undocumented? How can we say "racial profiling" of Latinos is "bad" in the fight against illegal immigration, when most of the illegals are Latino?

This isn't working for any party, and YES, these people do cause violent crime- many of them here in Southern CA are involved in gangs, cock-fighting, animal cruelty, the drug trade, etc. Last year the state of CA, in year where we have around a 26 billion budget deficit, spent over 10 billion on the integration of the children of illegal immigrants into the public school system. Plus, with Mestizo immigration, we are finding that many of them speak Mixtec and actually do not read or write Spanish. Many cannot read or write at all.

This is a bigger problem that we in the progressive community realize and there is more nuance to the issue than having a bunch of spoiled middle-class "liberal" brats from Portland accuse us of being "Xenophobic."

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I'm a little confused
Posted by: antiapathy on May 6, 2008 2:29 PM   
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After your article last week, it was apparent that you say (and I totally agree) that the demand for undocumented labor is what is fueling the immigration issue in this country. So what are we to do about it? There are obvious flaws in this legislation, but at least it brings attention to the root of the problem: employers who break the law and hire undocumented workers for unsafe and underpaid jobs. If we don't require all employers to verify citizenship, how are we supposed to catch the violators? Why don't the Dems put forth a competing bill to do this without all the harsh provisions and unintended consequences?

Better yet, is there any legislation from pro-immigrant groups that would provide for better enforcement of labor standards? If I'm calling my congressman I would like to have a positive example to point to, rather than just being against everything.

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» RE: I'm a little confused Posted by: Joshua Holland
Joshua, I'm not convinced.
Posted by: SOWILO on May 6, 2008 5:29 PM   
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I see your points, but I'm pretty sure that this wave of immigration is going to tear what's left of this society's fabric completely apart.

What I've seen here in LA is pretty frightening and its spreading.

I do not think that the Hispanic community is going to uphold the Socratic values that the West holds dear, and I think what we are going to see is widespread, Third World poverty.

I also feel that Muslim immigration in Europe is going to cause unrest as well.

I am not unaware that consolidation of wealth by our "oligarchy" is mostly to blame for the situation, but I do think this immigration is going to set back women's rights, abortion rights, etc. etc. etc.

I see no progressive movement toward a better educated society coming from La Raza or any movement. I see separatist values and people looking out for their own.

I would like for all of this to work out, but the evidence I literally see right in front of my face shows otherwise...

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These Numbers Don't Add Up
Posted by: desidid on May 6, 2008 5:36 PM   
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The measure is so broadly written that critics say it would potentially criminalize social services agencies that serve immigrant communities, mandating prison sentences of up to five years for helping someone out without first checking to see that his or her papers are in order.

I seriously doubt that would happen as these groups get federal money through the census. That is precisely why illegal immigrants are urged to comply with the census takers, it brings more money to the churches and social service agencies that serve them. These half truths on the part of neoliberal media is no better than the half truths being extolled by MSM. I would expect writers and articles on sites like Alternet to be more investigative. I would like to think I can trust the story because the things I do know about this subject are stated in your article. So far that still hasn't happened.

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Failure of public eduation?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 6, 2008 10:50 PM   
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So far, one percent of employers have been participating in a pilot program, and the error rate — the rate of false “no-match” findings — is around 8 percent.

It's a nine digit number. I could give you expected odds of a false positive, but that would be patronizing.

So, we're left to assume that governmentals can't do math? I mean, looking at the budget...we already knew that...

...But still.

Wow.

Maybe that whole government in a bathtub (overseen by a fauceteer who can add AND multiply) makes sense.

Not that the inability of governmentals to calculate and understand 4th grade math has any bearing on the religiousimmigrationfiascoamnestyopenborders "debate". But...err...still...

It's extremely telling, and an extremely useful figure to cite when discussing the many failures of the public trust our massive government is guilty of.

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» What are you talking about? Posted by: Joshua Holland
"United" America through seragration
Posted by: larazzafilms on May 7, 2008 6:46 AM   
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Keeping this short and to the point.

As New York City already exsists as a seragated communiy of immigrants, I believe that if the United States was also to seragated it self, following suit to it's well established Blue print. I think this would work for the most part, as "Latinos" already reconginize the southwest reigion of the United States as thier native lands and have been acustom to it for Hundreds of years prior to the arival of Euro colonist.

These seregated reigions would be governed by a United Goverment formed and made up by a culturaly deversified but equal voted upon body. This New and improved form of goverment would strikly have the best of intrest for its Country's population protecting and serving it withot any souly saragated intrest and as the best intrests for a countries melting pot.

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» Conforming to stereotype Posted by: Joshua Holland
Illegal Immigrants are not only disease ridden criminals...
Posted by: fanny666 on May 7, 2008 8:36 AM   
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They are also litterbugs.

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Galant effort
Posted by: lefty010 on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM   
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Well Joshua,

Looks like your article pulled all kinds of...er...different folks out of the woodwork.

I know it's not productive to attack the others that post here, but really, it is so hard to read such words of hate and intolerance without wanting to address it in some way. I admire your patience and willingness to keep at it with some of them.

To SOWILO: Please just stop typing until you look up the word PROGRESSIVE. And really, before you begin to speak for ALL progressives on this site, make sure you know what being progressive is all about. I don't know if you are just really young and naive or if you are a conservative trying to pull off being a progressive. If it the later (second one)please stop because you have posted nothing here that could be considered anything but ANTI-PROGRESSIVE. If it is the former (first one), then you might want to do some research about your "position".

My own personal opinion--and I'm sure something similar has already been written here on Alternet--is that the republicans devise this legislation KNOWING that it will never fly so that they can APPEAR to be doing something about the problem. Just because they have legislation on the floor does not mean that they have any more of a workable solution than the other side. They draft this crap though so they can say, "See WE drafted something, so where's your plan?" all the while knowing that the legislation is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Besides, it is conservatives who profit the MOST when it comes to exploiting illegal labor. They are not going to do anything that would truly threaten their profit margin.

If someone like the aforementioned moro...er.. poster believes that conservatives would EVER do anything to threaten their profit they are beyond any definition of naive.

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explain
Posted by: SOWILO on May 7, 2008 3:07 PM   
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what is progressive about amnesty for illegal immigrants?

what is progressive about large families in crushing poverty that is not alleviated from a move to the states?

what is progressive about out of control gang violence?

we can't be everything to everyone and I agree that the right uses illegal labor and exploits them.

i do not think amnesty is the answer because once that happens, the floodgates will open.

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Here's what I find hilarious.
Posted by: SOWILO on May 7, 2008 4:25 PM   
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We can sit and read articles bashing this Rev. Hagee and his ridiculous views, but if you in anyway attack the non-progressive religious beliefs and misogyny of a "minority culture" then you are a *racist.*

What I find curious about multiculturalism and why as a liberal, I struggle with this, is because we are forced to accept "less-than-progressive" values being expressed by immigrant cultures and minority cultures otherwise we are a "hater."

This is what I'm trying to say.

This immigration issue is also an issue about multiculturalism.

As a "progressive" I am for women's rights, sustainability,environmentalism,anti-corporate sentiment, anti-war sentiment, sexual freedom, population control, creative freedom, freedom of religion, and FREEDOM TO CRITICIZE RELIGION AND CULTURE.

I do not like how we can criticize Western culture, but when we criticize any other culture, shrill fingerpointing ensues with that dreaded "r" word.

Why is that?

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» RE: Here's what I find hilarious. Posted by: Joshua Holland
Joshua- Can you help ???
Posted by: ptown on May 7, 2008 9:10 PM   
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Joshua- Can you help ??? I have a young friend who just turned 18. He is now facing deportation. He's been in the USA since he was 7 years old. He needs an immigrants rights activist to marry him, like RIGHT NOW. Today. Got any sweet girls under 25 who will walk their talk and get this guy legal?
He's a sweetheart but he's impulsive so he does have a felony and tons of juvenile priors. Truly, I'd marry him myself but I'm 30 years older than him...

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» RE: Joshua- Can you help ??? Posted by: Joshua Holland
I HAVE AN IDEA
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 7, 2008 9:49 PM   
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Lets replace everyone at alternet with an illegal alien or undocumented worker. The first one to be replaced would be Joshua Holland. Then lets see how long it would be for them to quit writing this crap.

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OH, DON'T FORGET ALL THE HARD WORKING LATINO GANGS
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 13, 2008 2:10 AM   
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THAT SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED A LOT MORE OF. MORE MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS, DRUNKIN DRIVERS, GUNFIGHTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, KIDNAPPING, PROSTITUTION AND ON AND ON AND ON.......

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