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Experts: Clinton/McCain Gas Tax 'Holiday' a Joke

By Sam Stein, Huffington Post. Posted May 2, 2008.


It's "so ridiculous ... it takes your breath away."
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Over the past several days, some of the nation's leading economic and political pundits have weighed in critically on the proposal of both Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain to institute a gas tax holiday this summer.

Paul Krugman of the New York Times said on Tuesday that Clinton's idea, while less "evil" than McCain's, was still "pointless" and "disappointing."

One day later, Tom Friedman, also of the Times, called the idea "so ridiculous...it takes your breath away."

And Jonathan Alter of Newsweek piled on: "Hillary Clinton has now joined John McCain in proposing the most irresponsible policy idea of the year -- an idea that actually could aid the terrorists."

Surely, however, there must be someone out there not associated with a politician or a candidate who supported the idea of a gas tax reprieve -- especially if, as Clinton suggests, it would be paid for by an excess profits tax on oil companies.

I emailed Howard Wolfson, Clinton's spokesperson, asking him to put me in touch with an economic or environmental analyst who favored his boss' plan. He never wrote back.

So I took the task upon myself. I would call experts from all sides of the ideological aisle to get a sense of where the debate stood. In the end, every single analyst I surveyed judged the gas tax holiday proposal to be, roughly speaking, a silly, superfluous, or outright pandering idea.

I started with what I thought would be my best shot, the libertarians. Jerry Taylor, a fellow for the Cato Institute, unfortunately, called the proposal a "holiday from reality."

"What would happen more likely than not, gas taxes would be cut, but pump prices wouldn't go down, service stations would just continue charging what they are charging," he said. "I'm a Libertarian and I don't mind that. But you might not be a Libertarian and you might believe the federal treasury needs that money... Now if this were a permanent reduction of the tax, I would be all for it."

Alright, one "no." Perhaps the free-marketers would be of a different ilk. I was wrong.

"I think it is close to political pandering," said Max Schulz, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. "It is bad policy and political gimmickry. If you want to deliver relief to folks you have to do more than just this little holiday from the gas tax. You have to address what is driving the price of crude oil, even problems with the weak dollar. You aren't going to win any points doing that, however. But you will get points if you get up and say let's suspend the gas tax for a few months... I never have seen the wisdom of playing gimmicks games of the tax code."

Who, I asked, would favor the proposal? "Political advisers to candidates," was Schulz's response. "It is entirely due to the focus of the presidential election coinciding with the summer."

From Schulz, I moved on to the conservative crowd. But Ken Green, an energy expert for the American Enterprise Institute, ended up being similarly dismissive.

"There would be economic sense in eliminating the gas tax completely and replacing it with tolls. That would make sense," he said, "but if you remove the tax now, the things being funded with the money will still need funds. Or it will be funded with taxpayer's dollars from other things. So it will be less at the pump and more in your tax bill."

He went on: "All of these candidates claim to be environmentally conscious people, so what do they want to do? Lower the cost of driving in the summer time when it is the highest demand in the first place."


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C.



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A good sound bite though
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 2, 2008 9:12 AM   
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To the layman though this sounds like a good idea. So the effect that McCain and Clinton want is still going to happen. It's a good idea politically, and they will be rewarded for it.

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» Heroin, not cotton candy Posted by: frantaylor
» RE: A good sound bite though Posted by: niliadis
» RE: A good sound bite though Posted by: abbadon2007
» have a little compassion Posted by: bornxeyed
» How about? Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: How about? Posted by: AlterEg0
» RE: A good sound bite though Posted by: anna132
» RE: A good sound bite though Posted by: mkdelta69
disappointing
Posted by: ZoneStar on May 2, 2008 10:26 AM   
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You have to hope that some day this kind of political pandering will backfire, that even those who would benefit from the few extra bucks would realize the intentions of the politicians promoting the idea, and the overall negative effect the change would have.

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» RE: disappointing Posted by: Knot_Rich
Tax breaks for the rich
Posted by: Crazy H on May 2, 2008 10:51 AM   
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As usual. The rich among us are the ones driving the low-mileage cars & so will benefit disproportionatly. Meanwhile we'll be taking money away from supporting the infrastructure.

I can believe it of a Repug, but gosh darn it, Hillary, can't you even pretend to be a Democrat?

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» Are you sure? Posted by: Aimleft
Gas tax does not make sense - Clinton's argument is illogical
Posted by: kahuna44 on May 2, 2008 11:07 AM   
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Enough about the gas tax holiday - it does not make sense. Clinton, while trying to distance herself from Obama, structures a completely illogical argument on this issue. Her comment was something to the effect that she will ask Congress to vote on the issue and that they will have to choose sides,“ ... I want the Congress to stand up and vote. Are they for the oil companies, or are they for you?"
I’m not sure how she figures that leaving the tax in place advantages the oil companies. (Maybe, unlike Bill, Hillary does inhale.) It seems to me that if the tax was eliminated that the oil companies could charge more for gas since the tax if repealed would lower the price of gas at the pump. Since the consumer is now used to paying higher pricess oil companies would simply increase the price of fuel at the pump. While it may not increase 100% of the tax amount gas would inevitably increase resulting in more revenue for oil producers/distributors. Regardless of what effect the tax holiday might have on gas prices, it seems that consumers and voters are ultimately the losers since it would reduce funding used to maintain and improve infrastructure. This is yet another example of a deferred tax obligation and someone will get stuck with it in the future. This is another attempt to buy votes from the public. While we might expect this of Senator McCain, all I can say is shame on Senator Clinton for stooping to this level. Does she think voters are idiots?

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Is this a rebate?
Posted by: foreverhope on May 2, 2008 11:27 AM   
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Voter's rebate! $28.00 buys your vote! DON'T THINK ABOUT IT! Offer expires in November!

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» and another thing..... Posted by: foreverhope
» B.S.! Posted by: foreverhope
LCD
Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 2, 2008 12:15 PM   
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No, I'm not referring to a flat screen TV or computer monitor. I'm referring to Lowest Common Denominator.

That's what Clinton and McCain are pandering to. The LCD. The vast majority of their followers are not interested in gathering facts, digesting them, and coming to thoughtful conclusions.

Their followers want to be spoonfed. They have no interest in reading. They listen to Faux News (McCain) or the MSM (Hillary) to get their news. Thus, they have no idea what's really up with regard to a serious drop in that tax.

They don't have a clue that their potholes might not get filled, or that the rural road they depend on might not get fixed, or that the bridge that's ready to fall won't get repaired.

They only want a soundbite.

That is why BUBBAH CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

Bubbah Sixpack can't rub two brain cells together to make sense of this issue because Bubbah Sixpack is too busy getting wasted at the end of a long day.

Yet, sadly, that demographic - the LCD - is what is most likely going to elect the next President.

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» RE: LCD Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: LCD Posted by: Knot_Rich
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Hillary and McCain do have a tendency to think alike, don't they?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 3, 2008 3:38 AM   
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Throw them some peanuts and cheap beer! Then they'll vote for you!

Oh, their policies would be different, but both seem to share a similar opinion of the "typical U.S. voter": a stupid rube who can't handle anything more complicated than "low gas prices are good" and who has to be led around by the nose via the use of focus group polling and blatant B.S.

Obama is banking on the American voter being smarter and more intelligent than Hillary or McCain have bargained for. This is an interesting strategy, and it has been paying off - he just has to remember what it was about his campaign that got people motivated.

The main enemy here is not Hillary Clinton, or even John McCain - it is the many-tentacled octopus of the U.S. corporate press, which is working overtime to control the outcome of the election - and yes, the press would prefer a McCain or a Hillary presidency - they have a long record of bending over for large corporate interests that Obama just can't match.

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» RE: but Obama is different ... Posted by: niliadis
Hillary Clinton Wants to Run Our Nation?
Posted by: luciennh on May 3, 2008 4:03 AM   
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Let us the voters study the congressional records and past history of each of the candidates running for presidential office.
"Beware of Wolve's in Sheeps clothing". Hillary Clinton will tell you what pleases your ego and put her arms around your children...but see what she tried to do more than a decade ago, but was "stopped". Yes, she WILL garnish our paychecks with her Mandatory Healthcare plan. No Freedom of choice.
Just check the 1996 bill submitted to congress by Hillary Clinton and look who saved all America's butts, which includes all our children. Please learn the truth:
Hillary"s Records
Hillary Congressional Records

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» You are grasping at straws.... Posted by: Fencerider
Windfall Profits Tax NO JOKE
Posted by: B. Spoon on May 3, 2008 4:53 AM   
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It's a great idea that is long past due.

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stein-Huffington Post-Yes rediculous if you don't need
Posted by: niliadis on May 3, 2008 5:34 AM   
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This is a tax holiday, it is not a holiday forever. Children that come from disadvanteg homes usually get free lunches during the school time, but sometimes skip lunche during the summer..So yes this is a good small break that some families will get. This may bring peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, milk, bread..Obama does not like this idea becasue he is so out of touch. He is the candidate that thinks he is to big for his own self, much less thinking of others that are disadvantaged. This is just exactly what it is a "holiday break"...It is not pandering it is caring...but of course if you are in the position that the gas prices will not effect you or your family in maybe taking your children to a frist time trip or more milk for your children of course you are going to think its pandering. For Obama to be against this it only proves that his continued Anti-Americanism which his mentor of Twenty years has influenced him and there is no turning back.Mentor=A person who influences your heart, mind and soul.... You see you really have to put yourself in the shoes of people that do not have very much and that is something that Wright and Obama have seem to forget...When you say God "D" America that is exactly what you mean, and Wright said it and Obama has supported Wright for Twenty Years until now, which he has denounced only becasue of self service political advantage...What do they care how much Gas price is, WRight is off to his 10million dollar home among the very people he hates and Obama well we know.
Yes even if you think its little money, but it just may be a little break for people that are hurting.That only go back and forth from home to work and back and can not take thier child or children to a nice park to have a picnic becasue that extra gallon is a burdon-To be expected from The Huffington Post,,Arian a poor little girl from a village in Greece that married a Gay Millionair who truned out to be a wonderful man and the Mrs Ariana Huffington has forgotten her poverty past!

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» excuse me? Posted by: foreverhope
» "A Little Break" Posted by: frantaylor
» Crumbling infrastructure???? Posted by: Fencerider
OBAMA VOTED FOR GAS TAX BREAK IN ILLINOIS
Posted by: bbfmail on May 3, 2008 5:33 AM   
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FROM THE HOT AIR WEBSITE:

Gas tax holiday: McCain, Hillary support it, Obama changes his mind

posted at 8:50 am on April 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
|

John McCain wants to give consumers a break this summer by suspending the federal gas tax. Hillary Clinton says she supports that plan. Barack Obama, despite having supported a similar tax “holiday” in Illinois, now says he’ll oppose it. Apparently, gas prices haven’t gone high enough, even though they were less than half of today’s price in 2000 when he supported it:

In a new policy split in the presidential campaign, Barack Obama opposed a federal gas-tax holiday supported by John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. Hillary Clinton said she would be open to the tax break.

Sen. Obama, who voted for a temporary gas-tax break when he was a state senator in Illinois, rejected a federal tax holiday as bad fiscal policy. The federal gas tax raises money to repair and expand the highway system.

In Illinois in 2000, Sen. Obama voted for a six-month, five-percentage point break on the state’s 6.25% gas sales tax. The reduction of the tax, which goes into a general revenue fund, passed on a 55-1 vote and included measures designed to ensure that the benefits of the tax break reached consumers. At one point, Sen. Obama jokingly asked on the Senate floor whether it would be possible to install placards on gas-station pumps telling motorists he had helped win temporary price relief.

When some state legislators tried to make the suspension permanent before it expired, Sen. Obama spoke out against that measure but defended his vote for the holiday, according to transcripts posted on the legislature’s Web site.

“I originally voted for the suspension because I thought that it was extraordinary circumstances, given the huge hike in prices,” he said at the time. Gas prices averaged $1.52 a gallon in March 2000.

Hey, if we put up placards at the pump that give Obama the credit, will he vote for it this time? And could he come up with a more foolish explanation of his opposition? Did he and his campaign think that no one would go back and check the 2000 price to see how it compares to 2008?

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» lousy logic Posted by: kiel
» RE: Obama's lousy logic Posted by: bbfmail
» RE: Obama's lousy logic Posted by: patt
» Small Potatoes Posted by: frantaylor
McCain and Clinton Gas Tax 'Holiday' a lie
Posted by: Dirtman on May 3, 2008 7:33 AM   
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The more I read these posts the more I find how ignorant the readers must be.
Why I say that is how you beleive either of these two can wave their magic wands and bring down any tax.
Think people!!!
This is a federal tax and was passed by congress. It would take a bill passed by both houses of our do nothing dems and repugs to lower any tax. Even if they did a hurry up bill and it got through the two, the dimwit sitting in the oval office would surely veto it.

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An Army expression applies here
Posted by: taxidriver on May 3, 2008 7:34 AM   
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An old Army expression comes to mind:

It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

Thanks, McInsane and Shillary!

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» RE: An Army expression applies here Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Or a Navy expression Posted by: willymack
Say it aint so . . .
Posted by: Quasar on May 3, 2008 8:04 AM   
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This is one of those moments that we look back through the smoke before you burned down the democratic party and say remember when you voted for this and that and what a crock it was then like so many other things you've said and done but now you say that it was really something else or that you didn't have all the facts or that indeed it never really happened at all and even if it did it doesn't really matter because I smoked pot or dated a woman of a different race or learned to speak Russian i.e. I am a stoned sexually deviant communist and by the way what were we talking about? The fact that I am a terrorist? Oh yeah.

Pay attention folks: this is one of the those moments. Don't just live it. Sear it in your brain.

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Ominous ring to it.... Clinton/McCain.... ....
Posted by: Phred42 on May 3, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Clinton appears more and more simpatico with republicans and McCain than with human beings.

and after all of that support and praise for McCain from both Clinton's........

too depressing for words.

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Nationalize the American Oil Companies..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 3, 2008 8:23 AM   
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We have to start considering Nationalizing the American Oil Companies and All Holdings it is the only Real Solution..!

Why allow Exxon-Mobil to bring America to it's knees..?

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» It won't help Posted by: frantaylor
Power To The People
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 3, 2008 9:49 AM   
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With Peak Oil and the increased demand caused by lowering the gas-tax, pretty soon we won't be able to get oil at ANY price, tax or not.

One word for those looking to cash in on the next big thing:

Bicycles.

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McCain & Hillary: The king and queen of greed
Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 10:38 AM   
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Only pandering, power-hungry politicians like McCain and Hillary would propose a gimicky suspension of federal gasoline taxes to win the White House, causing 200,000 highway construction workers to lose their jobs this summer so their fellow citizens could save $30.

Whatever happened to "shared sacrifice"?

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new york state
Posted by: e rice on May 3, 2008 10:57 AM   
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while i haven't been following the more recent developments, so i can't say how the idea is faring, new york state has floated the idea of a summer suspension of state gas taxes.

it was estimated that the lost revenue would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. in a state already in debt.

why a summer tax suspension? maybe because the corporations who own hotel chains, and restaurants, and theme parks don't want to lose any revenue if people stay home? maybe because the oil companies don't want to lose profits because people would use less gasoline? after all, the suggestion is only about taxes, not the price the oil companies charge.

who cares if the school budgets are cut, or the roads continue to deteriorate? who cares that state and local funds for such uninimportant services such as law enforcement are cut to pay for the rebates? who bothers to consider using the oil reserves?

as long as politicians can appeal to the short-sighted and self-involved.

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gas tax holiday
Posted by: 60sretread on May 3, 2008 11:04 AM   
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mild support for this proposal. I am concerned about peple running businesses at seasonal tourist attractions like Cape Cod. Ifthey don't get tourists in the summer they can't make it up later in the year.

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The LAST straw!
Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 12:13 PM   
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Hillary's latest campaign tactic -- pandering to selfish Americans with a summer gas tax "holiday" that would cost 200,000 highway construction workers their jobs -- should be the last straw from Obama supporters.

At least it was for me, a 72-year-old Vietnam veteran and lifelong registered Republican.

Should the Karaoke Candidate (Hillary) steal the Democratic nomination, there is no way I would vote for her in November. NO f-cking way!

At the same time, it is my responsibility as a U.S. citizen to participate in the general election. So rather than leave the president selection entry vacant on my ballot, I will write in Barack's name and exit the polling place with my integrity intact.

Hillary fans will argue that if enough Obama supporters followed my suggestion, Senator McCain might win the White House. Perhaps. But it is also possible that Obama could win as well, albeit against extremely long odds.

More importantly, with Obama supporters voting for Democrats in the Senate and House of Representatives, Congress could receive veto-proof majorities that would nullify the adverse affects of a McCain presidency -- and Hillary's as well. Such as nuking Iran which McCain and Hillary appear willing to do, but not Barack.

Finally, an Obama write-in campaign would keep his change revolution alive -- the only thing that can save America from the politics of greed.

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I'm About Speechless
Posted by: macdon1 on May 3, 2008 2:28 PM   
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at the thought that anyone would be fooled by this crazy gas tax holiday idea. I heard Shillary criticizing Obama as being elitist and uncaring for opposing this "let'em eat cake" idea. Doesn't she know that the author of that statement had her head chopped off by irate citizens who were tired of the pandering??

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Clinton and McCain remind me of an old joke...
Posted by: Miki on May 3, 2008 3:08 PM   
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H. Clinton and McCain end up in front of the pearly gates and Peter says in the interest of heavenly democracy, you both get to spend a day in heaven and hell then you can decide where you would like to spend eternity.

The first day in heaven is all harps and singing and it's peaceful and, well, boring.

The next day, the devil welcomes them to hell, and his minions are having a party. There's champagne fountains and beautiful buffets. All day, the devil was smooth talking both of them, extoling the virtues of hell: the work hours, the ban on singing, the freedoms to cuss and lie and cheat...after all it's all no big deal. They'll have a nice place in hell.

On the third day, Peter asks them to decide, and they both say, well, heaven was nice...but, it looked pretty good in hell. McCain adds he doesn't think that he could stand not cussing for eternity.

Peter sends them on the elevator express, and when the door opens...it's fire and brimstone and people screaming in agony.

Stunned, they both ask what happened? The devil says, "Well, yesterday we were campaigning."

~~~

Moral of the story: Hell will always be a politician's choice as long as money and power are their gods.

We all have to wake up, especially you niliadis. A small tax break isn't gonna help a woman who rides public transportation...you think the bus or subway company is gonna "holiday" the cost of her ticket, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or not?

Time is coming to have to really deal with the devil called oil, and it won't be pretty.

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Not the issue!
Posted by: raywigton on May 3, 2008 5:19 PM   
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Of course it's pandering. How could you think anything else? We have bridges collapsing and roads falling apart; I'll pay my $28.00! This isn't an issue that should determine your vote.

We got here because of bad energy policy and that isn't going to change over an election day. It will take years to get the gas hogs off the road. We had 40-MPG cars in the late 70's but they didn't accelerate as well so the gas hogs came back. Gas was cheap but we all knew the supply was limited. It's not limited the way that you think it is, but it is limited. We must have wondered when China and India and other developing countries would start consuming their share? Ford scrapped the electric plug-in vehicle and recalled all (except one) of the production models. Toyota refused to make a plug-in hybrid for the American market. GM was once the biggest company on Earth but they haven't done anything intelligent in 40 years. Let's work on the solutions and not be fooled by an election year gimmick to sway ignorant voters.

P.S. Don't ever call a black man an elitist. --Just think about it.

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An insult
Posted by: willymack on May 3, 2008 7:18 PM   
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The temporary elimination of the gas tax is nothing but a snake oil appeal to suckers and dummies. Too bad there are so many of those with the power of the vote. Sometimes I fantasise a test for citizenship, given at regular intervals, let's say every five years. Flunk it and you won't be deported, but you won't get to vote either, until you pass the test next time around. This ought to keep the dummies away from the polls most of the time. For the rest of us, bonehead "solutions" to high gas prices and other self-inflicted maladies are grossly insulting.

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SCREW ALL OF OF YOU
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 3, 2008 7:37 PM   
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I'AM POOR. I'LL TAKE ANY RELIEF I CAN GET. PISS OFF, ALL YOU SUV DRIVERS.

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» I'll match it and raise them $20! Posted by: foreverhope
SCREW ALL OF OF YOU
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 3, 2008 7:37 PM   
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I'AM POOR. I'LL TAKE ANY RELIEF I CAN GET. PISS OFF, ALL YOU SUV DRIVERS.

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SCREW ALL OF OF YOU
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 3, 2008 7:37 PM   
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I'AM POOR. I'LL TAKE ANY RELIEF I CAN GET. PISS OFF, ALL YOU SUV DRIVERS.

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» and short-sighted Posted by: e rice
» RE: SCREW ALL OF OF YOU Posted by: htowell
» right back atcha Posted by: foreverhope
it is a joke
Posted by: Joe on May 4, 2008 5:40 AM   
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and thinking government is going to solve the problem is a joke also. billions of dollars in taxpayer dollars and regulatory powers have been granted to government over the years and the problem has gotten worse not better. get the government out the way so people can invest and innovate. the government has proven it does a shitty job. (boy isn't that ethanol idea by congress great!!!)

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Another fix for the addict
Posted by: worksg1 on May 4, 2008 9:16 AM   
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America needs to use less gas. Buying hybrids is not the answer -- it takes about 4300 gallons of gas equivalent to build a new car, an energy investment that most of us will never recover.

Rather, we must change our behavior and begin car pooling, using public transportation, bicycling and walking, and combining trips. Higher gas prices are the only thing that will get us to do these things.

We need leaders who will explain this to the public and raise gas taxes, not lower them. Anything less will only make the pain worse in the long run.

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windfall profits tax
Posted by: phaynes on May 4, 2008 9:26 AM   
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In the 70's OPEC was pissed at the USA due to our support of Israel. They hiked up prices and slowed production. Gasoline prices went up. After things resumed to normal the oil companys did not lower their prices. Jimmy Carter started the "windfall profits tax", and oil companies lost their incentive to gouge the public. Things were fine for a while. Reagan eliminated the caps on oil prices and the Dubya eliminated the windfall profits tax. Why doesn't Congress get off of thier rears and reinstitute it?

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Mary
Posted by: OK Granny on May 4, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Every little bite helps. It is Obama that is a joke. He the worst thing to ever hit America since #5 TORNADO. hE SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS DISTRICT AND FULFILL THE PROMISES HE MADE IN THE MID 90S.

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Suddenly It All Makes Sense
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on May 4, 2008 5:11 PM   
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Hillary secretly wants to be McCain's VP!

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oxheadone
Posted by: oxheadone on May 4, 2008 6:12 PM   
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Given the way markets work, one state or a couple could eliminate their tax on a given nationally sold product. The national price would remain the same and the taxpayers in the few states that cut the tax might benefit. But, a national cut in a tax would mean a shift in the national demand and supply conditions and it's likely that the price of the commodity would rise or the supply would fall, or both.

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Cinton Gets It
Posted by: gabbyone on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM   
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Why is it that you can never see a candidate whoever that may be as just trying to help someone who needs help. I am sure not every idea that you have has worked.....does that diminish the idea? I was struck when calling people in Indiana, how many said they knew that Clinton would not be able to get this done but they appreciated her trying to come up
with a solution to a major problem they have....gas costs. One lady told me she would save $40 a month because of how far she and her spouse has to drive to work every day. This may not seem like a lot to wealthy people but this would buy a lot of lunch food for my kids she said. People knew it wouldn't pass Congress, but guess what the other candidate had not even tried to come up with an idea to help them. They see the rich getting more and more breaks all the time, but they see no one trying to do anything for them and this attempt was not pandering to them but noticing and caring that they had a problem. If Obama had said, I don't think this will work, I wish it could, I'd like to help.....but what did he do.
He attacked and made fun of Hillary for the idea. Just as all of you are. Interestingly this idea was one that Obama had actually supported in Illinois and voted for in 2000. You all make fun of Hillary Clinton and trash her but you know what she gets it and the people that are supporting her get that she understands what is going on in their lives.

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» Obama Gets It Posted by: foreverhope
Hillary lost Oregon with this
Posted by: jam on May 6, 2008 10:16 PM   
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Bill has always been welcome in Oregon, but all of that good will has been torched by Hillary's hoax of a holiday.

Her anti-green tax break will stampede Oregon's delegates into Obama's camp -- and for what exactly?

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