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Who's Afraid of a Falling Dollar?

By Mark Weisbrot, AlterNet. Posted November 8, 2007.


An overvalued currency has been the source of many of our economic problems.
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What do policy-makers in China, Japan, Argentina, Malaysia, Indonesia, the European Union and many other countries understand that ours don't? It seems they know that if the value of their currencies rises too much, it can hurt their economy. But for a number of reasons it hasn't quite sunk in here.

Which is too bad, because we've lost more than three million manufacturing jobs in the U.S. since 2001, and much if not most of this job loss is due to the dollar being overvalued. This is bad news not only for the people who lost those jobs, but for the tens of millions more whose wages are depressed by the displacement of these workers - and arguably for the nation as a whole, as America's manufacturing base continues its process of "hollowing out."

Perhaps most amazing is that now that the dollar is finally falling - it has dropped by 23 percent against a trade-weighted basket of currencies since February 2002 -- we hear warnings from prominent citizens and government officials that this is something we should be worried about. Just last week, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, reacting to the dollar's recent fall, said that relying on a weaker dollar to boost growth isn't a "sound approach."

"Our objective ought to be to have a strong currency based on sound policy," he said.

On the same day U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said, "I am strongly committed to a strong dollar."

Comments like these simply reinforce the popular misunderstanding that a "strong dollar" is good for the country. But an overvalued dollar makes imports artificially cheap, and prices US exports out of foreign markets. If the dollar is 25 percent overvalued, that's the same as putting a tariff of 25 percent on U.S exports, and at the same time giving a 20 percent subsidy to foreign manufacturers exporting to the U.S. market. This handicap has probably had as much impact on the loss of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. as trade agreements such as NAFTA, which were designed to facilitate the movement of US manufacturing to countries with cheap labor and lax environmental regulation.

It is because of many years of overvaluation that we have run up an enormous trade (and current account) deficit, borrowing from the rest of the world at an unsustainable pace. This borrowing will have to slow, and the way this will happen is through an adjustment in the dollar. This will reduce our imports and increase exports. In fact, it appears to be beginning already, as a result of the dollar's decline: Exports of goods rose by a 23 percent annual rate in the third quarter of this year, the fastest such jump since 1989.

That is the purpose of a flexible exchange rate: it adjusts to move your trade back towards balance. Our trade doesn't have to be balanced, but the deficits can't be so large as to pile up an explosive foreign debt.

The alternative to reducing the trade deficit through the dollar falling is to have a serious recession, which reduces spending on imports. This is a much uglier process, and one of the main reasons why the world long ago abandoned the gold standard.

Like most bad policy, there's a conflict of interest underlying the resistance to having the dollar move to a more competitive level. Robert Rubin is now Chairman of Citigroup. (Both Rubin and Paulson are former CEO's of Goldman-Sachs). The big bankers and the financial sector generally do not have much interest in promoting growth and high levels of employment in the domestic economy, and certainly not rising wages. For them, inflation is the only real enemy, since it erodes the value of financial assets. (Rising wages are viewed negatively by these people because wage increases are seen as increasing inflationary pressures).

If you read the business press you might have noticed that when unemployment goes up, the bond market generally rallies. That is a reflection of the financial sector's direct interest in lower inflation and lower wage growth even if it hurts the vast majority of the country. A high, even overvalued, dollar helps hold inflation in check by keeping import prices lower. On the flip side, as the dollar adjusts to a more sustainable level, at least some increase in inflation is inevitable as import prices increase.

Some of our big transnational corporations also like a high dollar because it makes everything they buy overseas - including other companies as well as labor - cheaper for them. And of course for those whose first priority is an affordable vacation in Europe - well they are out of luck when the Euro rises, as it has now, to $1.45.

But for the vast majority of the country, a "strong dollar" is more like a "strong influenza virus" - something to be avoided whenever possible.

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Mark Weisbrot is Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. He received his Ph.D. in economics from the University of Michigan. He is co-author, with Dean Baker, of Social Security: The Phony Crisis (University of Chicago Press, 2000), and has written numerous research papers on economic policy. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy.



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Are we being damaged deliberately?
Posted by: LMNOP on Nov 8, 2007 5:58 AM   
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America genuinely seems hell-bent on doing everything that it does badly. Can that be a coincidence? Can that possibly be due to just greed, foolishness and incompetence?

Because frankly, America's behavior is indistinguishable from deliberate self-damage, as if our worst enemies have gained control of the country and are deliberately destroying it and punishing its citizens.

Really now - if you hated the United States and had gained control of the White House with the agenda to deliberately inflict as much damage on its people as possible, short of nuking the people or anthraxing them, what could you have done to this country that would have inflicted more damage?

This reminds me of a kid whose psychopathic parent hate him and wants the worst for him - say out of jealousy - and keeps inflicting damage without ever explaining that it is malicious and deliberate, like the woman in Sixth Sense caught on videotape poisoning her daughter. The kid just goes on trusting, never even conceiving that his parent is deliberately harming him.


How do we know that that is not what is happenening here? No Communist or terrorist ever inflicted a percent of a percent of damage on this country as the Republican corporatocrats have.

How do we know that we are safe here? If that *is* what is happeneing, you, like the kid being poisoned, need to get the hell as far from this country as possible.

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» RE: Are we being damaged deliberately? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» The answer, my friend, is YES Posted by: mrcentrist
» ssegallnd Posted by: Chloe2005
Bet Your ASS
Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 8, 2007 7:34 AM   
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You can bet your ASS that the same wealthy bastards who helping to ruin our country by offshoring everything including their money , have converted THEIR ill gotten gains into Euros .
The only good thing is that a weak dollar does is to help the Tourist Industry . It's not like WE manufacture anything any more . It should also be pointed out that jobs IN the Tourist Industry have very low pay , right down there with Wal Mart . I have to admit that i was stunned to see Irish Tourists in New York talking about how CHEAP it was here .

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» RE: Bet Your ASS Posted by: maggzilla
» RE: Bet Your ASS Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
» RE: Bet Your ASS Posted by: SENILEBIKER
The weak US dollar is due to foreign investors perceiving pent up inflation in the US economy.
Posted by: yellow on Nov 8, 2007 7:50 AM   
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As in 1971, foreign investors add up the variables and have decided that their investments are locked into a declining currency. They are slowly moving toward the Euro. The markets are doing this based on educated perceptions. It is not some kind of evil conspiricy!!

Foreign central banks ripped the gold cover off the US dollar when they called the US Treasury's bluff and demanded their increasingly inflated dollars be redeemed for gold at the price fixed by the 1944 Bretton-Woods agreement which was $35/ounce. The agreement was honored for a time at a great cost. Nixon consequently closed the "gold window" in 1971.

Today, with the gold standard gone for over three and a half decades, the dollar simply floats against other currencies on the international market. Speculation in currency trading also plays a major role in determining the value of the US dollar. Continuing deficits, high consumer and corporate debt, weak growth and a declining housing market could be reasons for the perception of the inflationary tendencies pent up in the US economy.

Wiesbrot is correct about his assessment. The weak dollar is good for more people than not and it is mostly the financial markets that stand to lose. Already one sees signs of foreign tourism growing and US exports increasing. This will increase employment, stem the downward pressure on wages and threaten the kind of "inflation" that bond investors tend to dread. But if the US dollar slides to far it can trigger a wholesale and rapid sell off of US securities and widespread refusal of the dollar as a means of international payment. This would stem our ability to finance our debts and deficits leading to a sudden economic collapse. We are now on a very precarious tightrope.

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» Very correct yellow Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» RE: Additional factors in 1973 ... Posted by: SENILEBIKER
» more history Posted by: jimbee
» RE: more history Posted by: cvstoner
Gee--Ain't it great to be poor!!
Posted by: crazy carlos on Nov 8, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Sorry folks, but this article sucks--bad. All the folks here have to do is suck it up and accept $2.00 per hour pay and buy Exxon gas at $4.00 per gallon and we all will be just happy campers. Devalue the dollar of course makes things cheaper for people overseas to buy but what is it doing to your 401K, savings?? So why save!! Dumb and dumber. Crazy Carlos

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» Not poor, just miserable Posted by: colinmeister
» RE: Not poor, just miserable Posted by: Cooltruth
» ..."the banks write off $500B+ in assets" Posted by: Democratic Socialist
Economic equalization, perhaps?
Posted by: JPHickey on Nov 8, 2007 10:09 AM   
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Maybe one of the central problems has to do with the philosophy of so-called "free markets". Our government is so inferior and misguided that it is too incompetent to regulate markets in any way, so ultimately it will be all for the best if the wisdom of the marketplace takes its course.

Personally, I don't buy it, and I never have. We are ending up with exactly what I expected -- about to take that last great step off the economic gangplank to face the shark infested sea!

I don't like seeing the value of my dollars going down the drain. I don't like seeing this once-great nation being reduced to the level of the third world, with our standard of living being reduced to be competitive with the lowest of the low.

As far as I'm concerned, if the multi-natonal corporations seek to lower labor costs by going off-shore, then when they seek to re-import to sell in the U.S. they should pay equalizing teriffs. Maybe if it wasn't such a good deal, they wouldn't have abandoned this country they way they have.

Quantity growth is always presented as the only growth. Personally, I prefer a much slower type of growth which I refer to as quality growth. Sort of in the spirit of the "slow food" approach.

Multinational corporations have run amuck with their misguided and misanthropic rush to mega-growth.

If the U.S. really was a government by the people and for the people, these sociopathological corporations would not be allowed to rule as they see fit. Obviously they don't know what they're doing. How else would all those worthless mortgages be packaged up and sold to ignorant European mega-banks.

There's no transparency, and the people are intentionally kept ignorant and out of the picture while the big-wigs have their way with the world's economy.

The good professor fails to point out that with the "equlization" of the dollar to Third-world values, that the already deeply indebted United States will be available to foreign investors at bargain-basement prices.

This has already been going on for some time now, but "you ain't seen nothin' yet!"

In my opinion the damage has already gone too far, and now we're finally beginning to pay the piper. And don't worry, the free-marketers will not suffer much from the consequences of their sociopathological greed.

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» "white dumb-ass peasants" Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» RE: "white dumb-ass peasants" Posted by: aka_bozo
We are EXACTLY where the white-peasants fantasized we'd be 40+ years ago!
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 8, 2007 1:34 PM   
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In order to “get even” with “those people” you need to shrink the size of the government. This is because “those liberals” use government to give tax money to “those welfare queens”. By shrinking the size of government, this will return us to a purer form of capitalism where “survival of the fittest” will determine the winners. And, to the white-peasants, it’s OBVIOUS who the winners will be when the government “levels the playing field” and eliminates socialist programs, like “affirmative actions!”

Now, you can’t shrink the government without reducing “regulation” as government largely employ’s “those useless people” to do the regulating. So, by shrinking the government you accomplish three things: forcing “those useless people” to get “real jobs”, reducing taxes as government shrinks, and reducing government regulations on the “best and most honorable” people of this (or any) society - the already-wealthy; who ARE wealthy BECAUSE they are “the best and most honorable” (or, how WOULD god have allowed them to GET wealthy in HIS favorite country?).

So, now the white dumb-ass peasants are pissed because the assholes (Opps, I mean, the best and most honorable) that run everything didn’t act very “honorable”, but instead pillaged the country and took all the loot to China and built villas in Tuscany. The ONLY conclusion you can make from this is that government is STILL too big, and ONLY Ron Paul – LIBERTARIAN MAN - can save us from THAT by returning us the a purer form of the Constitution and putting us back on the gold standard (and passing the anti-gravity law).

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» what about the war? Posted by: frantaylor
» heh heh Posted by: Coleman
» Fer CHRIST'S sake, THANKS!!! Posted by: aka_bozo
For a LESS cynical (and more accurate) version see...
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 8, 2007 1:37 PM   
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here.

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How many Reaganites does it take to change a light bulb in an ivory tower?
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 8, 2007 3:12 PM   
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Martin Feldstein - former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under Preznit Reagan and currently shacked up at Harvard - said everything Weisbrot is saying two weeks ago in the Financial Times ("A more competitive dollar is good for America").

Things like:

"...a declining dollar will help to maintain growth and employment by raising exports and causing American consumers to shift their spending from imports to domestically produced goods and services."

Question: what alternative goods and services are produced in the US that Americans could start buying more of today? Gas guzzling SUVs? Guns? NASCAR tickets? Mountain Dew? Lottery tickets? That's some kind of red state wet dream brewing.

"...the overall inflation rate need not rise if the Federal Reserve sticks to its goal of price stability. Instead, relative increases in the prices of tradable goods would be offset by lower inflation in other goods and services."

Question: what's the difference between an asset value collapse and a purchasing power implosion? See, if all your liquidity has been stolen by unscrupulous lenders working in concert with crooked real estate appraisers, your inability to buy food = "lower inflation in other goods and services."

Reagan's dead. Long live his disciples...

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It's not that they don't understand...
Posted by: lobdillj on Nov 8, 2007 3:32 PM   
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It's not that our government is incompetent and doesn't understand that their strong dollar policy is hurting us. They don't give a damn about that. And it is wrong to say that our manufacturing base has been lost because of the strong dollar.

Our manufacturing base has been lost because multinational corporations run our nation, and they permit themselves to take their capital (built on the backs of US labor) off-shore where they can pay starvation wages and inject the products back into the US market at prices that still reflect American labor costs. Multinational corporations don't look beyond the next quarter's earnings and don't give a damn about the middle class--what's left of it.

Worse yet, this is not rocket science, and the government officials and their corporate masters know exactly what they are doing. They are building a feudal society in which they are the lords.

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» Almost agree. Posted by: aka_bozo
Poor Choice Of Words
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 8, 2007 3:50 PM   
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I've often thought that semantics is a big part of this irrational reaction to exchange rates. People understand that something can be too big, or be priced too high but it's hard to get them to beleive something is too strong and should be weaker. The fact is that this is a deliberate policy of the US for several reasons including the Chinese insistance on linking their currency to the Dollar and keeping it artificially low. And, yes, thank you, I did move a chunk of money into an offshore mutual fund a couple of years ago when I saw this coming and it's done great! But I'm no mover or shaker, just a blue-collar guy who pays attention to what's going on.

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Weisbot: Sellout???
Posted by: Andie927 on Nov 9, 2007 5:31 AM   
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I look for his articles, usually find him a voice of reason, in the choas. What happen???
1.) Cheney moved over half his assets offshore, six months ago.
2.) We make VERY little in this country anymore! What are we going to 'balance' the trade deficeit with? Raw materials?
3.) Buying foreign investments isn't that easy! We've called several investment brokers, nobody can help!
4.) How is this 'GOOD' for the American worker? Who's now getting paid in dollars worth 75 cents? Isn't that a pay CUT? And how many $$ is a loaf of bread going to cost?
So, what you earn is worth less, buys less, and wages in this country have been stagnent how long?
5.) There is NOTHING good, about our dollar losing it's value, except for the government, who can now pay off it's HUGH, overseas debt with cheap dollars, at our expense!!

Unless your wages have increased by 25 to 30% in the last month, you've lost money! Any money you have in a savings account earning less then that, has LOST money!
$10,000 in Gold, has increased in value more in one week,
then $50,000 in a savings account has in a year!

No Inflation?? Only if you don't have to eat, or shop for groceries!

Now tell me again, why the Wealthy and Investors, should be paying less (a lower rate) of taxes the you and me??? Let's start making the Profiteer's (military industrial complex) that have profited from this war start paying off the debt!! Not, move off shore (Haliburton) and take their profits (our tax dollars) with them!!

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» RE: Weisbot: Sellout??? Posted by: jbur816
» Options for investors Posted by: jimbee
? Cost-of-Living
Posted by: Andie927 on Nov 9, 2007 5:58 AM   
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If in China, India, and South America you can 'live' (food, clothing, shelter) on $3 a day; here in America you need to earn at least 30$ a day for the same standard of living.

Nike, moves their sneaker manufacturing overseas. Each sneaker now has 20 cents of labor costs in it, verses $2 when it was made in the United States! Does Niki sell the sneaker for less? NO

Can American workers, compete with other countries labor costs, when their cost-of-living is so much lower then our's?
That's why NOTHING is manufactured here anymore! The only reasonable solution is TARIFFS! To balance the playing field, so we stand a chance!

How does a devalued dollar help? It doesn't! The only answer is FAIR TRADE, NOT FREE TRADE!!! So we start making something in this country, to Export! We can't even make a bomb, or a missle without parts from China!!

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» RE: ? Cost-of-Living Posted by: MAD
» RE: ? Cost-of-Living Posted by: MartianBachelor
Currency is a two way street
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 9, 2007 7:04 AM   
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Weakening the dollar has some ugly side affects-- like higher oil, food, manufactured imports etc. That means even with the rigged up phony CPI numbers inflation has to go up, along with higher interest rates and a contracting economy (not to mention a crashing stock market).

We have no choice since the trade imbalances and deficit spending have to be accounted for some how. But don't think that a "weak" dollar policy is going to be painless.

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donkeys and mud huts
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 9, 2007 7:09 AM   
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I am not so sure that the mantra presented in this article: "falling dollar...more exports...falling dollar...more jobs" is necessarily true.

As some other posters have pointed out, alot depends on the standard of living we are willing to accept. Unless we are prepared to live in mud huts and ride a donkey for our personal transport, the third-world countries will simply continue to undercut whatever price we place on our products.

A falling dollar alone will not magically bring back the millions of jobs that have been lost in the U.S. The only way is to impose tariffs on countries that dump their products here.

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Run on the Bank!
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 9, 2007 7:17 AM   
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The U.S. Dollar is mortgaged beyond the hilt. Vast amounts of dollars are owned by foreigners. They're all being very kind to the U.S. government by owning all these dollars and not selling out.

What happens when the facade collapses? Everyone will realize, some sooner than later, that the U.S. Dollar is worth ten cents. Nobody wants to be the first to cause the run on the bank. However, the primary rule is to save your own money and not go down in the pit with the U.S. So, many, many people will want to be second or third, just in time.

All right, everybody line up on that starting line over there. China, you're first. Oh look, China is already hedging its bets as of this week!

I expect a mad rush.

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» RE: un on the Bank! Posted by: Trazom
» Average Joe is always a chump Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Gold isn't worth a goddamn thing! Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» Use some common sense, Yellow Posted by: ReallyBearish
Problem is ....
Posted by: cmaukonen on Nov 9, 2007 7:36 AM   
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We don't have a damn thing to export that anybody wants and haven't for quite sometime, except weapons and even those are loosing there attractiveness.

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Yoda
Posted by: Elijah on Nov 9, 2007 11:11 AM   
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Mark White bead as his name is German is crazy and dangerous..your dollar is your store of wealth....when you devalue it yo are stealing from those that earned the unit of currency....we were a 46 trillion dollar economy...now we have lost 50% or 23 trilion dollars of lost wealth..what a tax increase if there was ever one..just ask the Russians how a 75 %devaluation feels....didn't Jesus kick the money changers out of the temple..we need to get back to sound money..ie:gold so where the bankers can't steal from us using finacial paper instead of sweat and work..devaluation IS THEFT!!!!!....THE ECONOMIC YODA

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Those people who are blase about inflation
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 9, 2007 11:14 AM   
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Have no idea how bad it can, and now will, be. Your wages do not go up as fast as prices and you get squeezed into poverty while the rich get richer.

The dollar has been in steady decline since Bush took office and inflation has been increasing much faster than admitted. But you ain't seen nothin yet!

These downward spirals never continue to be gradual and orderly indefinitely. They always accelerate as panic sets in. Things are about to get very nasty folks - and the next president will get blamed for it - just like Carter did for Nixon's disastrous fiscal policies.

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» Look at the gold sites Posted by: ReallyBearish
Dollar on a road to nowhere
Posted by: Jimbo33 on Nov 9, 2007 11:47 AM   
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The almighty Greenback faces several problems: Iraq war, greedy rich people, Americans who spend more than their paychecks give and of course Georgie boy. It looks like the Dollar's destinations can be reduced to just one: A freefall to the ground without any guarantee for return.
Yeah, the right wingers and all morons who voted for Bush know how to destroy an economy that used to be a role model for all economies around the world.
What a sad story.

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Another article that misses the mark
Posted by: MAD on Nov 9, 2007 12:10 PM   
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Let's clear one thing up right now. To most of you economic no-nothings, China is seen to possess the fabled "nuclear option" that would ostensibly lead to the untimely demise of the greenback. The Chinese snort about the falling dollar and threaten to move into more stable currencies or precious metals, but what most of you fail to realize is China has NO INTENTION whatsoever of dumping the dollar. Here's why:

China holds nearly 1.5 trillion in a steadily declining currency, so just who in the hell do you think is going to pick up US debt while our currency simultaneously crashes? Even if the Chinese, Japanese or ME kingdoms make so much as the slightest move to liquidate their holdings, others will catch a whiff of a potential run on the dollar and refuse to buy even a solitary T-bond. You can't just put something on the open market and assume there will always a buyer. You're likely the same people who think that when gold hits $1200/ounce EVERYONE will be dying to take it off your hands.

The Alternet Econ. 101 troupe is so woefully misinformed about the inner workings of global trade and floating currencies, it's hard to take any of your posts seriously. Whether you want to admit it or not, China and the US are locked in a symbiotic relationship where US, and increasingly, European debt is fueling China's manufacturing spree. China would effectively be shooting itself in the foot should it opt to sell American debt. China would almost immediately grind to a halt and 500 million irate rural farmers is the LAST thing they want in their back yard. That is to say nothing about what moving into the Euro would do to that currency. You think Europeans are grousing about the overvaluation of the Euro now, just wait until it becomes a major reserve currency.

Most of you will bemoan the declining dollar but what you fail to admit to yourselves is that YOU'RE the problem. Your overconsumption created this mess. You bought that shiny new LCD from Samsung and put S. Korea in the catbird seat time and again. Cheap Chinese crap is simply irresistible to the average brain-dead American. You just gotsta fill that garage with more crap. You wanted it cheap and you wanted it now. Deal with it! You made your bed, now lie in it.

Devaluing the dollar is the best action we can take right now. Sure, it's going to be tough for many, but then again, many of you have fucked up and now must pay the piper. This is actually a very savvy move as it makes American exports more affordable while serving as a warning to the Chinese that if you're not going to let the Yuan float, we'll tank the dollar. Watch as the Europeans begin dropping interest rates to do the same to their own bloated, fiat currency. The Chinese are actually in a very unenviable position right now. They are holding a currency that they can neither dump nor afford to hold. After all, if I owe the bank $100 dollars and can't pay up, bad for me. If I owe the bank $1.5 trillion and REFUSE to pay, bad for the bank.

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» Did you miss the news? Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Hey bozo, read the following Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Nice rightwing ad hominem Posted by: ReallyBearish
» You might be right... Posted by: aka_bozo
» Bush should throw in Walmart... Posted by: Cooltruth
Weisbrot just doesn't get it.
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 9, 2007 2:06 PM   
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Weisbrot just doesn't get it.

Labor , environmental standards and regulation overseas are all much cheaper than in the US. The dollar could fall forever and this differential would never be closed until our workers made the same as theirs , we roled back environmental standards and we let companies do whatever they liked.

But now it is too late , the new market is Asia . America is done.

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Devalued Dollar A Violation Of Free Trade Agreements
Posted by: calm on Nov 9, 2007 5:40 PM   
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It seems to me that America is doing exactly what they fault China for doing.

For years now, America has complained about China deliberately keeping their currency low and have demanded that China re-value the currency upwards because it is contributing to "Unfair Trade".

As a Canadian, I think that the deliberate U.S. policy of devaluation is a direct violation of the NAFTA free trade agreements.

It seems to me that America was never interested in free trade, but used free trade as a method to allow equal access to financial assets and natural resouces of free trade partners. It was only after America succeeded in purchasing all of Canada's assets, that they began to devalue the U.S. dollar.

In addition, and a bit off topic .... Canada is selling America oil while at the same time America is refusing to recognize Canada's soverignity over the Artic. It seems to me that in actual fact, Canada will need to use the profits earned from oil sales to the U.S. and buy ships, armaments and planes to patrol our Arctic against U.S. invasion. We should shut down the oil sales to America until such time as they recognize our Arctic sovernity. Seems kind of foolish to sell our oil if we are gonna need to use all the profits to protect ourselves from U.S. interests. (And worse, we will need to buy all the military equipment from America which would be used to protect us from them.)

Calm

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It's all part of the Republican plan, everything is UNDER control.
Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 9, 2007 5:43 PM   
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The white-peasants HAVE BEEN voting Republican for the last 40+ years now (you all DO remember the Reagan revolution, right?). The south went Republican, and the white-suburbs went Republican country wide. And, all because the white-peasants wanted to “get even with those people”. The Republican Party said (reluctantly, of course), “Ok, but we’ve gotta deregulate the markets to implement the 'survival of the fittest' economic policies YOU are so desperate for”. The white-peasants said, “Fine! We don’t care WHAT you do, just help us get EVEN for what those liberals DID to us”.

And, now, here we are.

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It happened in the UK in 1967
Posted by: civilized european on Nov 10, 2007 3:43 AM   
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Harold Wilson the Prime Minister at the time devalued the Pound by 14% and told the people famously that it would not effect the Pound in their pocket. This was of course bullshit, it effected everyone especially the poor and those of middle income who had little lee way in their budget. The difference between then and now ( beside the obvious ) is that large household debt is common and will in my view exacerbate the problem for many.

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aint this stupid....
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 10, 2007 5:28 AM   
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Mr. Rangel, an Democrat, had said on a newcast a few days ago that trading with Peru would stimulate job growth in the us. He says that when we sell stuff to Peru, we would pay them an tariff, but if they sell stuff to us, they don't pay a tariff.

NOW, WHAT THE HELL YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE!!! IT'S THAT DAMN SIMPLE ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN CAUSE IT'S BEEN HAPPENING SINCE NAFTA, AND GAINED AN TURBOCHARGER SINCE DIPSHIT STOLE THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2000!!!!

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Gaia Gold
Posted by: haohao on Nov 10, 2007 6:35 PM   
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The Attorneyocracy Gets What The Attorneyocracy Wants
Posted by: hole11 on Nov 11, 2007 6:31 AM   
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They want us with terrible education system. Taxed to death where we are propertyless. And they want the socialists as well as the communists to own us. Now that they own the state we have to bow down to them and hold our cups out higher.

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