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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Shocking: 18 Years on and Exxon Still Won't Pay $2.5 Billion for Valdez Oil Spill

By Riki Ott, AlterNet. Posted November 5, 2007.


And now the Supreme Court has agreed to hear Exxon try to explain why it shouldn't pay.
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The Supreme Court's recent decision to hear ExxonMobil's reasons to void the $2.5 billion punitive award in the Exxon Valdez case hit the town of Cordova, Alaska, hard. This small coastal fishing community -- my hometown -- along with the Alaska Native villages in Prince William Sound have borne the brunt of the largest crude oil spill in America's waters; a spill that took place more than 18 years ago, but one that continues to hold the region hostage.

The second painful blow was the high court's decision to not even hear our reasons why the award should be restored to the full $5 billion that a jury of peers decided was necessary to punish the corporate giant back in 1994.

While media pundits, lawyers, and scholars play the Supreme Court's decisions back and forth like a ping-pong ball, people in Cordova share a completely different perspective of this story. It's not about whether the Supreme Court should hear the case. To us, it's about justice and reparation -- making us whole, a promise Exxon made to the community five days after the spill. A promise that Exxon broke before the trial even started five years after the spill.

To us, it's about more than an oil spill, the world's largest oil corporation, and a small fishing community in Alaska. It's about America's failed legal system that inherently cannot dispense justice in the face of corporate globalization.

U.S. corporations have outgrown America's justice system. The system won't work for any community in America that is traumatized by disaster that triggers class action lawsuits -- hurricanes like Katrina, terrorist acts like 9/11, or oil spills like the Exxon Valdez. Yet sociologists warn such disasters will be a hallmark of the 21st century.

People in Cordova wonder how this happened and why our legal system no longer metes out justice. When did "punitive" stop meaning to punish? If the original punitive award of $5 billion was sufficient to change corporate behavior why was Exxon the last corporation to double hull its oil tankers to reduce risk of future spills rather than the first?

Why shouldn't Exxon be expected to pay to clean up its mess, pay penalties for breaking laws, compensate victims for losses, and pay punitive damages? This is what responsible corporations do -- and it's certainly what Americans expect.

The spilled oil -- somewhere between 11 to 38 million gallons (the figure is elusive because as we learned the hard way, the truth was one of the first casualties of the spill) -- created a big mess and broke a lot of federal laws. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Exxon paid $2.5 billion for its cleanup and another $1 billion for penalties. But, it might surprise people who live outside Alaska to learn that taxpayers, not Exxon, paid a majority of that bill. Exxon recouped most of its remaining expense from its insurance companies and from money it paid to settle damages for natural resources -- publicly-owned wildlife and lands.

Further, Exxon rewarded its primary cleanup contractor, formerly VECO, with a cost-plus contract that acted like steroids, bulking up this small-time oilfield service contractor into one of the biggest -- spending, pro-oil lobbyists in the state -- until its fall from grace this year under charges of federal bribery, conspiracy, and more. You may have heard of the ongoing FBI investigation that is sweeping Alaska's politicians -- from state legislators to congressional delegates -- into its widening net.

While that's another story, it serves to illustrate what our justice system deems "good corporate behavior" worthy of consideration to reduce its punitive award.

We ask all of you who share in the cost of this cleanup and the devastation of this spill: How could Exxon fool seemingly everyone into believing that the Sound is now clean, wildlife recovered, and fishing back to "normal"?

How could they fool everyone? Because the reality goes against the "good corporate behavior" meme Exxon has pushed for now nearly two decades in the courts, in the media, and in Congress.

This is our world, our reality: Three of Cordova's five fish processors (canneries) went bankrupt after the spill. The largest one never recovered, leaving the town with not enough capacity to buy and process large salmon returns like this year. Further, the town lost it's only locally owned and operated processor cooperative, leaving fishermen with fewer resources to leverage high grounds prices for their catch. The town tumbled from its ranking as one of the top ten seaports in the nation, based on harvest value, to 53rd after the delayed, spill-related pink salmon and herring population collapses in 1992 and 1993.


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Riki Ott, PhD, is a community activist, a former fisherm'am, and has a degree in marine toxicology with a specialty in oil pollution. She is the author of Sound Truth and Corporate Myth$: The Legacy of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill and author of the forthcoming book, Not One Drop: Promises, Betrayal, and Courage in the Wake of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill (Chelsea Green, 2008).



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that's what you get for voting republican
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Nov 5, 2007 3:07 AM   
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your share of corporate love. ya get what you pay for, boys.

gotta get this settled while gwb is still in the whitehouse!

just like loggers and coal companies: rape and pillage of communities is just another ongoing result of the selling of america. the land of the free corporate pass.

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» ?? Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
I think xom has about....
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 5, 2007 3:21 AM   
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20 to 40 billion dollars just laying around. That's right, just laying around, and they can't pay a fuckin' 2-5 billion dollar fine. ( the money I talking about they have nowhere to spend it, it just sitting in their banks, whomever they're are).

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» Nice Thought. Posted by: gellero
No more messing around, let me invite the CEO's to duel!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 5, 2007 3:50 AM   
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Exxon needs a change of blood, in my experience one may have to fine these people personally and individually to make a point. How many more of earths people have to die because these idiots can't control their Control Addiction? I drive Electric vehichles. I do realize they are not for everyone but I win this duel!

You can too, by putting leins on their property goods and land holdings till they cry uncle! Get a good hungry young Barrister, go talk to a Judge! AND STOP USING THEIR BLASTED OIL!

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DON'T BUY EXXON
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 5, 2007 4:27 AM   
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Of cousre they haven't paid for the damages they have done. Don't hold your breath waiting for that day to dome! The fact is, we're now living in a corporate state. These hideous bastards are above the law and they know it.

Will the Bush Justice Department do the right thing and force them to pay? I don't have to answer that question for you, do I? But here is something you need to know, a Clinton Justice Department won't hold them accountable either. It's as simple as that.

So what to do? We have the power to put Exxon out of business! Don't buy there! Get the word out! If we wanted to, we could turn Exxon into Exxoff. All you have to do is, the next time you're runnin' low and you need a fill up, go to Citgo instead. I know! I know! Hugo Chaves is not a saint, but wouldn't you rather he get the money than those pampered Saudi Shieks who have been screwing their people For how many years?? And don't forget, a lot of them financed September 11, 2001.

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Could I be any clearer?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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DON'T BUY EXXON

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» RE: DON'T BUY EXXON Posted by: motamanx
» RE: I HAVEN'T Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: I HAVEN'T Posted by: Inlander
» RE: I HAVEN'T - GUESS AGAIN Posted by: astockton
» THE PEOPLE OWN IT. Posted by: gellero
» I'm sorry, too! Posted by: Coleman
» So what Posted by: frantaylor
sucks to be you
Posted by: Katou on Nov 5, 2007 4:41 AM   
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Imagine 18 years and no justice ...well not a type that brings closure ....Aboriginal peoples have had 300 years of dealing with sweet promises and a justice system that will not allow closure to what they have challenged in these courts ...I Don't expect that change will happen .The system is designed that way , and will stay that way ...Don't forget its them and not us that needs it that way ...

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» NO JUSTICE????? Posted by: gellero
» RE: NO JUSTICE????? Posted by: Katou
Out of control
Posted by: packofwolves on Nov 5, 2007 4:54 AM   
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The U.S. justice system has been failed for a long time. There isn't anything about justice in a court of law, it's about winning, and winning is like everything else in this country, it is based on who has the most money. Whoever has the most money can pay for a team of fancy lawyers and stretch out the lawsuit until the poor folks, and almost always the ones who had some injustice done to them, run out of money and steam. Once in a while a rich guy gets a little slap on the wrist but invariably those with money don't get the same "punishment" that the poor guy would get (i.e., Martha Stewart, Scotter Libby to name a few of the lower-end criminals). Some of the biggest criminals in our recent history are still in power and yet they keep on going day after day, crime after crime. Why do you think Bush stacked the Supreme Court with people who think like him? Exxon will never pay what they owe. Any court of justice would not have allowed this law suit to extend for 18 years. Justice, to be effective, must be swift not dealyed for decades when the actual impact of the crime has been forgotten by most of the world - or no obvious, visible evidence of the crime can be seen any more. There is no justice in the U.S., just another greedy entity destroying what this country should stand for. I am sorry for the people of Cordova. The damage Exxon did to that beautiful place is horrendous and Exxon should have paid and settled this law suit long ago. Not only did Exxon damage Cordova, they damaged our environment and then turned their backs on us while pocketing billions in profits. Something is amiss.

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» EXXON TURNED IT'S BACK??? Posted by: gellero
I always buy Citgo
Posted by: PJAW on Nov 5, 2007 4:55 AM   
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My heart goes out to the people of Cordova and all who were directly impacted by the Exxon Valdez spill. It's been a long time since I've felt like I'm on the winning side in the fight against evil, and the most disheartening thing is the realization that "America", the land of the free and the home of the brave, is not an ally in the fight, but a primary adversary.

Much of what has gone wrong with America began with the election of the B-movie actor who declared, "government is not the solution, government is the problem". Once in office, he proved just what he had claimed, and his successors have gone on to do nothing but worsen the situation.

I really wish that I could believe that the people of Cordova will receive some measure of justice, but there's nothing to inspire such a belief. That's not a surrender, just an acknowlegement that we've been losing ground in the battle and now must fight even harder if we're to save any semblance of the dream that was described in our constitution.

It's said that a fish rots from the head, and nothing could be more descriptive of our current government. If you're not yet a part of the fight, join right now and push hard for impeachment of the theiving bastards we have running this country. And don't even think about relaxing once that's done, we really need to put some people in jail this time and remove them forever from government.

I really hope that the people of Cordova prevail, but that's their fight, you certainly have one in your own backyard that needs your attention. The only way you can lose for certain is to fail to engage in the battle. I hope everyone shares in my gratitude to the people of Cordova who are facing this monster and refuse to give in.

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» me too Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
See what happens . .
Posted by: underledge on Nov 5, 2007 5:22 AM   
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See what happens if you don't pay your Exxon/Mobil credit card. They won't stop until they get their "due".

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The system is working perfectly
Posted by: Rune on Nov 5, 2007 6:25 AM   
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The primary purpose of the "justice" system is to protect and serve the largest owners of capital. The second priority of the system is to protect property itself--to the extent it has not been damaged or destroyed by the largest owners of capital. When it isn't too much trouble, smaller owners of capital and independent service businesses are also given some help. And last, but not least, the system functions to keep all of the people who are not immediately identified as owners of substantial amounts of capital in line for the benefit of those that own the greater amounts of capital.

So, you see, the system is working just as intended in this case. Too bad the fishing industry was larger and more capital intensive. They might have had a chance in hell.

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Waining Games
Posted by: Casey Burns on Nov 5, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Exxon is basically waiting for all the affected to die so they won't have to pay them. Or they are waiting for the dollar to sink to the point that it is like a Weimar Mark. Its good business from their perspective. They can afford to wait.

Our judicial system is in total failure, which is how they have been allowed to drag this out for so long. And will again with the next Tanker on the Rocks. And again. And again. And again.

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» HERE'S HOW Posted by: gellero
» ready and willing, comrade! Posted by: Coleman
Class action reform - great ideas!
Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 5, 2007 8:13 AM   
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A much different, & much more interesting article than I expected. I certainly expected the tales of woe about the spill (not that I'm complaining) but I'm delighted at her thoughtful analysis of what exactly is broken in the justice system's response to these kinds of suits, and what MIGHT be done to improve the system. Not that I'm holding my breath for that, but still... maybe someone in a position to do something can read & heed.

It's a crucial point, too, because the right has recently made a mantra out of "tort reform," trying to appeal to middle America's disdain for lawyers, in order to serve their own corporate agenda. For the left, it would a endlessly losing battle, I think, to fight this tactic by trying to defend the current legal system as fine... to say that nothing really needs done except a bit of tweaking. You can say that truthfully about Social Security, maybe, but about the legal system? That would be insane.

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WHEN YOUR NAME IS EXXON, YOU CAN'T BE WRONG
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2007 8:30 AM   
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Months & years were wasted trying to cover Exxon's big butt. The crew was drunk, ran aground and didn't call the Coast Guard to drain the oil and lighten the ship so it would float until more help could get there. It's very important to cover the real story long enough for people to forget, which is about 15 min. Damage control takes over and the whole incident becomes history. For some people, that's justice. Thanks, ANNA

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» You must have been there Posted by: gellero
WHEN YOUR NAME IS EXXON, YOU CAN'T BE WRONG
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2007 8:30 AM   
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Months & years were wasted trying to cover Exxon's big butt. The crew was drunk, ran aground and didn't call the Coast Guard to drain the oil and lighten the ship so it would float until more help could get there. It's very important to cover the real story long enough for people to forget, which is about 15 min. Damage control takes over and the whole incident becomes history. For some people, that's justice. Thanks, ANNA

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Does Exxon own the judicial system and the Republican Party?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 5, 2007 8:39 AM   
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Take a look at this recent ruling in Alabama:
Ala. Court Cuts $3.6B Verdict Vs. Exxon, Nov 1 2007

"In 2003, a Montgomery jury agreed with the state's arguments that Exxon Mobil intentionally underpaid, and it returned a verdict of $102.8 million in compensatory damages and $11.8 billion in punitive damages.

Circuit Judge Tracy McCooey cut the punitive damages to $3.5 billion, which dropped the total verdict to $3.6 billion. Even after the verdict was cut, it was still the largest in the country that year, according to the annual rankings by the National Law Journal and VerdictSearch.

In Thursday's decision, the majority of the Supreme Court said the state failed to prove fraud by Exxon Mobil and no punitive damages were due.

The court left compensatory damages for breach of contract and sent the case back to circuit court to determine what interest might be due the state on the $51.9 million.

The court split along party lines, with its eight Republican justices siding with the oil company and the court's the lone Democrat dissenting."


The Supreme Court has been loaded up with Bush appointees, thanks to the fraudulent 2000 election (in which, it must be noted, Ralph Nader played a key supporting role for G.W. Bush by working overtime to attack and split the Democratic vote.) The Supreme Court also played a key role in that selection with their 5-4 vote that handed the victory to G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

As far as the comments about "Don't Buy Exxon" - their profits go to the same cartel of investment funds and banks that owns all the other major international oil corporations, from Chevron to ConocoPhillips to BP to Shell, and Exxon itself markets its refined products through a maze of shell and holding companies with names like "Valero" - so it's pretty hard to know what you're buying.

Don't use fossil fuels, period. That's the real issue here. That and the new era of the robber baron - controlled Supreme Court.

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Bought and paid for
Posted by: willymack on Nov 5, 2007 8:56 AM   
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What other inference can be drawn in light of the EIGHTEEN YEAR STALL-NO PAYOUT by Exxon-Mobil? Our government is so goddam corrupt, it's hard to tell where to start in repairing the damage our fascist dictatorship has done to us. My opinion is that certain people need to be in prison as soon as possible, including certain crooks in the "supreme" court.

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This is actually completely wrong
Posted by: yoyoman on Nov 5, 2007 8:59 AM   
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On a personal comment, my grandad was responsible for the Alaskan Oil Pipeline Fund which perfomed all the payouts responsible to the spill. First off, He is a very dedicated Democrat and is very environmentally aware so blaming this on Republicans is ridiculous. Secondly, He assured me that he sent off a check, of which he would personally would sign to almost anyone who was remotely affected by the spill. The fund is created and paid for by the united oil companies.

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The Supreme Court has been FUDGED to give Exxon an "exonerration".
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 5, 2007 9:01 AM   
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And in case no one noticed, SCAlito had a lot of investment in Exxon which explains why he recused himself. And don't forget John Robert's, Corporate America's favorite go-to "Corporate Trial Lawyer". It all started when Nixon allowed Lewis Powell on the court and none of the justices appointed thereafter, save Stevens who was ironically appointed by Ford, were pro-people but were corporate puppets. It's bad enough that we can't get Democrats who really want to be pro-people so expect the SC reform to be a SUPER LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG SHOT !

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Good Luck
Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 5, 2007 9:04 AM   
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I think NOTHING better illustrates the chances of Exxon beating the rap than the chilling fact that the Court while agreeing to hear Exxon's case REFUSED to hear the request to restore the Original 5 million dollar JURY verdict .
If I were a betting man my money would be on the Court ruling in Exxon's favor . This is the reason we MUST elect a Democrat to the Presidency because as was once said " the good that men do is interred with them while the evil lies on forever " . This describes the Supreme Court . We are retrurning to those days when the Rich used the Courts to stop any progressive efforts . The courts recently turned aside a 80 years of history regarding Corporations setting Minimum prices and said that this should now be decided on a case by case basis . This means as the Exxon case proves the little guy will be overmatched should he try to use the court system .

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» RE: Good Luck Posted by: fork
Thanks for the article,
Posted by: type22003 on Nov 5, 2007 11:15 AM   
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when I voted for the congressman from the 2nd district in Indiana (ranked 49th by Forbes in terms of "Green" states, above only mountain topless W. Virginia), I thought I was voting for someone who supported change in corporate accountability. Well since Mr. Donnelly (a demacrat in name only) cintinues his unwavering support for the bush/cheney oil cabal, I will call. write & e-mail & urge him to demand emob pay for the damage they have done, but.....

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a good lawyer
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 5, 2007 11:18 AM   
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This goes to show what a good lawyer(s) can do for you.

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This is ALL ABOUT PRECEDENT, Not Just a Few Billion
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 5, 2007 11:41 AM   
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Make no mistake, for Exxon, a company that makes over $35 billion a year, paying out a few billion (probably paid for by their insurance company anyway) is small change. I am even sure they would probably even pay this right now to be done with it, if the lawyers were not screaming at them not to. You see, here is the reason, THIS IS ALL ABOUT PRECEDENT. It's about the right of a mega corporation to have "a little accident" now and then and not have to fully pay for the damages and hardship that results. Exxon does not want to set the precedent, for itself and other corporations, to have to fully pay for the damages and injury that they cause. And, here we are not talking about a few billion on a one time accident, we are talking about many billions for what can happen in the future. Of course, don't put drunk Captains at the helm of your supertanker next time and use good precautions. But, Exxon is not concerned with that, they are more concerned about retaining the rights to a little accident now and then, and not having to pay for it all. Make no mistake about that.

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What now?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 5, 2007 11:46 AM   
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What are we supposed to do-- if we truly care about our environment and our people and this shit just keeps happening and things just get worse and worse and worse?

I am starting to see writing letters and organizing Democrats and peaceful protesting- as doing more harm than good-it gives people something to do to give them the illusion that they are doing something that will make any difference.

I think the smart people have already left America. I think it is down to get out or get your guns.

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All large corporations - not just Exxon - control this society
Posted by: alleybear on Nov 5, 2007 12:16 PM   
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In the pursuit of the capitalist concept of unfettered economic energy, letting the market dictate what will be, the obvious victims will be the masses of people. As long as economic activity is pursued solely or mostly for profit, the sheer wealth generated will overcome any and all resistance like a tsunami on a beach in Bali.
This is the consequence of past decisions. I do not condemn these decisions, but, if you are unhappy, I encourage you to make new decisions.
What type of decisions? Not so much picking around the edges by targeting specific wrong-doing corporations, as much as decisions affecting the fundamental playing field that corporations have created over the years to their benefit.
So the first decision I encourage you to make is to objectively and dispassionately educate yourself on the playing field corporations have created. Once enough people have done that, then effective decisions can be made on how to transform that playing field to benefit more people than are currently benefitting. Right now, only the corporations know all the rules so they are the ones benefitting. Right now only the corporations fully know the leverage and pressure points in our political, judicial and economic tectonic plates, to make the earth shake in their favor.
Get busy! Get smart! Get effective!

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» P.S. Posted by: alleybear
Do No Harm?
Posted by: Cathyc on Nov 5, 2007 2:02 PM   
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"If American class action lawyers were medical doctors, they would be disbarred for violating the Hippocratic oath: "Do no more harm."

Huh???

Its my understanding of the American Health System (and I have yet to see Michael Moore's SICKO) that doctors do harm their patients as a matter of routine!

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» RE: Do No Harm? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Do No Harm? Posted by: Gravity Dancer
magcroft
Posted by: magcroft on Nov 5, 2007 3:26 PM   
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Shocking and not surprising - tragically! I've forwarded your story onto Greenpeace asking them to do one of their worldwide email petitions. At the very least it will get the information widely circulated. The battle will be won eventually - we just need to hang in there for the long haul.

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EXXON wants to set precedent
Posted by: sslyon on Nov 5, 2007 3:34 PM   
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EXXON could care less about the $2.5 bn. The real tragedy looming here is that if they can make their case stick, they will have established precedent that will open a barn door for corporate rape and ruin on unprecedented scale. Somehow, Americans have to be awakened from their slumber, get off their asses and protest this vigorously at all levels of gov't. from town/city to federal. This is no ordinary rate hike, fraud or malfeasance issue, people. This one holds gravest implications for us and our children for generations to come. Beware the corporatists!!

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NATIONALIZE THE AMERICAN OIL INDUSTRY AND ALL ENERGY..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 5, 2007 4:18 PM   
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The title says it all..for me this is the only solution to so many of the problems that face us as a nation..and people..

When Exxon Mobil can spend $37 Billion of it's $38 Billion in profits last year buying back it's own stock we see the senseless waste of this resource and their obscene hypocrisy in crying broke or hardship after the disaster they created in Alaska..

There is much to all this but if we were to Nationalize of Oil Industry we would be able to cut costs by 30-40% create an economic boom across the board for every American and still have near if not more than $60 Billion per year every year for technological advancement and alternate energy source development as well as engine design and breakthroughs and perhaps even fusion...


Imagine $60 billion per year to technology and also infrastructure oil and transportation..infrastructure...


We must seek bold real solutions this is one that answers so many of our problems and might even evade wasteful stupid greed driven corporate fascist wars..

All the most successful or most internationally are state run oil entities which can still be and are traded as commodities as well..


Why are we straddled with this 19th Century robber baron system and design..?


Spread the word and idea that We The People should control and own and run the America oil Industry and cut out these ghoulish greed ridden middleman Texas Oil criminals robbing us blind..

This will be our future but only after millions if not billions die for what...oil..?

Stupid, as stupid as Bush and greed and hypocrisy always is..


Nationalize the American Oil industry...!

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» THEY ALREADY TRIED THAT..... Posted by: gellero
» explain yourself Posted by: Coleman
Don't buy
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Nov 5, 2007 5:44 PM   
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Would it really matter if we stopped buying Exxon? What if we stopped supporting all corporations? What if we just bought locally and bought everything used? Would it really matter? No, unfortunately. These corporations are world wide and they would just write the US off and sell every where else. As recession hits here and we are forced to buy less, these corporations (made in America) will just dig in stronger elsewhere. For me personally, it does make me feel good on a personal level to buy less and buy locally.

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» BUY LOCALLY Posted by: gellero
» Ah, but you could afford it. Posted by: Coleman
Exxon rules
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Nov 5, 2007 6:42 PM   
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The duty of the Executive Branch with its appointed Attorney General is to enforce the law, but Bush and Cheney are ignoring any laws their corporate sponsors don't like and trashing the Constitution. THAT is why Exxon hasn't paid its fines, and if Bush and Cheney solidify their virtual dictatorship, Exxon never will -- unless Bush and Cheney are impeached or summarily arrested and removed from office.

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RE EXXON RULES
Posted by: gellero on Nov 5, 2007 6:59 PM   
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If you think the next executive will do things differently, you don't understand history or politics. Aside from the fact that the Judiciary is an independant branch of government.

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» RE: XXON RULES Posted by: Constitutionalist75
Punitive Damages
Posted by: gellero on Nov 5, 2007 7:13 PM   
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If Exxon has paid its economic blood money, why do the residents of the coast ( a few thousand) deserve BILLIONS in compensation? Because they had to deal with a problem? Any different from losing a job when a factory closes due to DEMOCRATIC supported and sponsored Globalization? How many BILLIONS do the lawyers get? What about the rest of us who will pay higher prices if this goes through?
What did you get out of the Tobacco Settlement Scam ( Democratic sponsored)???.....NOTHING except higher prices for cigarettes..........disproportionally born by the underclass......Blacks & Hispanics........But this is what's known as PROGRESSIVE DOUBLETHINK.

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You guys want the government to pay for your healthcare
Posted by: slydad on Nov 5, 2007 7:30 PM   
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They can start by paying for this.

It's health related.

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» Sorry, cracker! Posted by: Coleman
» Whatayaexpectfromatroll? Posted by: slydad
And yet...
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 5, 2007 8:49 PM   
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...you citizens of Alaska keep returning the likes of Ted Stevens and Don Young to Congress.

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Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side!
Posted by: thelostsailor on Nov 6, 2007 12:13 AM   
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The black flowing evil corrupts to the marrow. Those who control it's flow are consumed with it's awesome power and will fight, with no mercy, to retain it.

Where are the jedi.....

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Simple solutions to Exxon and the courts
Posted by: wisegalah on Nov 6, 2007 1:19 AM   
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Nationalise Exxon, and any other essential industry, electricity, water, communication and food distribution.

Disband the court system and introduce a system in which the truth can be established. The adversarial system is supported by the legal profession because is enables them to milk the system for every penny without regard for truth, principle or the slightest twinge of conscience.
What is needed is a new approach in which a prelimary hearing is held. In such a hearing all evidence is presented to an examining magistrate who has wide powers to call in defending and prosecuting lawyers, to examine defendants, and experts and witnesses.
At this stage lawyers can be prosecuted if they withhold or delay relevant information whether is be prejudicial to their side of the case or not.
Finally the examining magistrate presents all of the evidence to a higher court for determination.
Appeals will be granted only if new evidence is presented again to the examining magistrate for analysis.
In this way all court officials including the lawyers are to work in the service of the truth instead of working to subvert the truth in the service of their only object of loyalty the dollar.

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» Simple? Posted by: frantaylor
CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE NOW!
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM   
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A sitting member of Congress is introducing a measure to impeach the vice president of the United States and the story isn't visible on Alternet. This should be the leading story on a website that bills itself as an "alternative" to the mainstream. Some alternative! More like left gatekeeper.

For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:

1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354

Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.

I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called my representative (Rodney Frelinghuysen in NJ). It was easy and I felt better after doing it.

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& we need "shocking" in the title
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 9, 2007 10:41 AM   
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to suggest us how bad Exxon's corporate malfeasance truly is?
seriously. I'm already horrified reading the title without the emotion-laiden HeadsUp.
but then, did we *ever* think they'd pay?

really?
I mean, I'm sure they've spent nearly the same amount keeping the Busheviks in power...

Try scanning through the pages of GreenPeace.

just say'n.

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Alaska case shows why corporate charter reform needed
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 1:14 PM   
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Corprations need to be reigned in by the citizens of US by holding a constitutional convention that eliminates permanent personhood installed during the 1st Gilded Age. Before Civil war corporations were limited by state law and were subjected to renewal; what we need is a national law where corporations doing business in this country have to renew their charter every ten years. Exxon has the current Supreme Court in their pocket ideologically even if not financially. Expect US supreme court to side with Exxon and other corporations; citizens need to to use that decision to say enough class warfare, on the 90-99% not in the elite, is enough. Don't count on either large party to help since they benefit from status quo.

Also please review all comments and rate them I think rating skewed by a couple of late adding commenters who take the pro Exxon point of view like galero for example.

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WoW Powerleveling
Posted by: haohao on Nov 10, 2007 6:41 PM   
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YOU ARE RIGHT I ONCE HAD AN
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 12, 2007 12:26 AM   
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Exxon credit card. I cut it up. But are there any oil companies that even smell like honest. I even got a CITGO card so I could support Hugo Chavez. I haven't used it in a long time. I haven't cut it up yet, but I'm thinking about it. He's beginning to act like a dictator. He did cut a deal with Bill Clinton to keep the price of oil down. After all many of the substantive advances of the French revolution were the doing of Napoleon. As much as you may have hated Lyndon Johnsons Viet Nam war, he did medicare and the civil rights act. In contrast to Shakespear's Caesar Lyndon's good may have out lived him.

What are we to do now? Put a clear majority of democrats in both houses of congress and then demand the impeachment of all of the republican supreme court judges. Even Roosevelt didn't achieve that. After all they want this to happen before George the second goes out of office. After we throw out the supreme court, we just nationalize Exxon-Mobil. Then we can finish cleaning up their mess with their money.

And there shall be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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