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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Bring on the Recession

By George Monbiot, Monbiot.com. Posted November 1, 2007.


How else will the destructive effects of growth be stopped?
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If you are of a sensitive disposition, I advise you to turn the page now. I am about to break the last of the universal taboos. I hope that the recession now being forecast by some economists materialises.

I recognise that recession causes hardship. Like everyone I am aware that it would cause some people to lose their jobs and homes. I do not dismiss these impacts or the harm they inflict, though I would argue that they are the avoidable results of an economy designed to maximise growth rather than welfare. What I would like you to recognise is something much less discussed: that, beyond a certain point, hardship is also caused by economic growth.

On Sunday I visited the only UN biosphere reserve in Wales: the Dyfi estuary. As is usual at weekends, several hundred people had come to enjoy its beauty and tranquillity and, as is usual, two or three people on jet skis were spoiling it for everyone else. Most economists will tell us that human welfare is best served by multiplying the number of jet skis. If there are two in the estuary today, there should be four there by this time next year and eight the year after. Because the estuary's beauty and tranquillity don't figure in the national accounts (no one pays to watch the sunset) and because the sale and use of jet skis does, this is deemed an improvement in human welfare.

This is a minor illustration of an issue which can no longer be dismissed as trivial. In August the World Health Organisation released the preliminary results of its research into the links between noise and stress. Its work so far suggests that long-term exposure to noise from traffic alone could be responsible, around the world, for hundreds of thousands of deaths through ischaemic heart disease every year, as well as contributing to strokes, high blood pressure, tinnitus, broken sleep and other stress-related illnesses. Noise, its researchers found, raises your levels of stress hormones even while you sleep. As a study of children living close to airports in Germany suggests, it also damages long-term memory, reading and speech perception. All over the world, complaints about noise are rising: to an alien observer it would appear that the primary purpose of economic growth is to find ever more intrusive means of burning fossil fuels.

This leads us to the most obvious way in which further growth will hurt us. Climate change does not lead only to a decline in welfare: beyond a certain point it causes its termination. In other words, it threatens the lives of hundreds of millions of people. However hard governments might work to reduce carbon emissions, they are battling the tide of economic growth. While the rate of growth in the use of energy declines as an economy matures, no country has yet managed to reduce energy use while raising gross domestic product. The UK's carbon dioxide emissions are higher than they were in 1997, partly as a result of the 60 successive quarters of growth that Gordon Brown keeps boasting about. A recession in the rich nations might be the only hope we have of buying the time we need to prevent runaway climate change.

The massive improvements in human welfare -- better housing, better nutrition, better sanitation and better medicine -- over the past 200 years are the result of economic growth and the learning, spending, innovation and political empowerment it has permitted. But at what point should it stop? In other words, at what point do governments decide that the marginal costs of further growth exceed the marginal benefits? Most of them have no answer to this question. Growth must continue, for good or ill. It seems to me that in the rich nations we have already reached the logical place to stop.


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George Monbiot is the author of 'Poisoned Arrows' and 'No Man's Land' (Green Books). Read more of his writings at Monbiot.com. This article appeared in the Guardian.



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Greed is not so good
Posted by: Democritus on Nov 1, 2007 12:27 PM   
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If there were a way to rein in human greed, then the cycle of boom and bust might end and we could enjoy the fruits of the earth without destroying the tree. History has shown, however, that this is a pipe dream. Governments will continue to worship growth until it smothers its citizens in debt and pollution, thereby leading to the fall of those governments and to painful economic shrinkage.

The problem is that everyone knows, in theory, that there is no such thing as "free lunch." In practice, however, everyone wants more than his proper piece of the pie. Depression era babies knew how hard it was to scrimp during hard times. Unfortunately, those who now seem to have everything will be the ones to really suffer when the free lunch counter turns into the soup kitchen line.

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"Cancer Syndrome"
Posted by: henderson on Nov 1, 2007 1:18 PM   
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Didn't someone at one time say, "unchecked growth is also a symptom of cancer"? Pretty apt, I'd say.

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monte
Posted by: mont on Nov 1, 2007 6:27 PM   
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Edward Abbey "Unlimited growth is the philosophy of the cancer cell". Last deep depression led to social programs to help average citizen and led to large gains in "middle class" through 40's and 50's. We are living in a delusional nightmare and waking up is the only solution. Things ARE going to change whether we embrace them or not and maybe changes for which we cannot cope.

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maximum effectiveness = kindness
Posted by: davy on Nov 2, 2007 1:48 AM   
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Could not agree more, BUT kids are conditioned EARLY these days. It's sad, but unless we have some sort of "intervention" it's hard to envision the sweeping awakening that we will need to survive. I had a long conversation with a primary school teacher the other day and it's no longer about teaching, it is now about "crowd control". As long as we feed the fires of desire and keep em dumb we are on a collision course. How does one open hearts and minds in this age of GREED. I feel like singing Joni Mitchel and Bob Dylan songs now. The only "world leader" making one bit of sense these days is the Dali Lama, he's right, only KINDNESS will save us. It's also the only thing that will give us what we all desire, HAPPINESS.

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» Growing up Posted by: Cathyc
there is hope
Posted by: richholland on Nov 3, 2007 5:41 AM   
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The RICH discovered how to use Environment protection as a source for big Profits. Now our patriotic heroes can stop the war!

A depression will lead to a NEW war...

Remember no war in IRAQ will mean money for education, environment and health care???

As our big PROPHET MR>AL GORE ESQ> pointed out a little change of lifestyle in America could change a lot....
Think of the fuel saving if every USA citizen would have a month paid holiday

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» RE: there is hope Posted by: redbird30328
» RE: there is hope Posted by: Joe
» RE: there is hope Posted by: richholland
» RE: there is hope Posted by: redbird30328
» RE: there is hope Posted by: Knot_Rich
CAPITALISM
Posted by: Bloomie 1937 on Nov 3, 2007 7:01 AM   
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It has been my contention for many years that capitalism is an unworkable systen ultimately, because it is a carrot and stick system which is growth dependant. The anticipation of expansion is vital to ithe core of it. When resources are exausted, as they must be eventually, the potential for growth ends, and the system collapses. This is what is occuring and the growtgh has been artificially enhanced by the feverish printiong of unsupported fiat currencies of imaginary intrinsic value, Promisory notes circling the globe as eloctronic transfers, and imaginary capital. Far more debt than currency can only result in global economic collapse which is well underway . The abolition of global debt won't even help, if we replace the garbage with more fiat currencies. Money to be effective must have certain qualities, its value must be universal and translatable to the value of human effort, and it must be portable.

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» You mean RIGGED "CAPITALISM" Posted by: maxpayne
» PREDATORS breed predators. Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: CAPITALISM Posted by: Knot_Rich
Recession will accelerate global warming
Posted by: mrxls on Nov 3, 2007 8:22 AM   
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according to James Lovelock (in his 2005 book Revenge of Gaia). Reason is that particulate air pollution is exerting a major cooling effect and is probably the reason the climate did not respond to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere in the first half of the 20th century. This "global dimming" hypothesis was given strong support by weather data collected after 9/11 where three days of no commercial airlines over the US resulted in a measurable change in temperatures.

I agree that it would be great if our economies could be weaned of their addiction to growth. Keep in mind as long as populations are increasing, even through immigration, you need some amount of growth just to stay the same.

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It has taken me a while to realize
Posted by: Trazom on Nov 3, 2007 8:40 AM   
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the sickness that is our economic model, a system which rewards only higher profits through infinite growth, thus promoting corporate greed and malfeasance. The paradox is that our economic model stands in complete defiance of our life model, one based on limited resources, sharing, nurturing, and social values, aka "society".

The blockheads on Wall Street know only the infinite growth model, and they spew it like a continuous stream of gospel from the All Mighty. What they don't know (or refuse to face) is that the very system they worship is beginning to throw up on them. It has from the start, it's just picking up speed now.

In a sick, perverted way, perhaps Bush (when I say Bush I mean 14 years of Republican reign) have done the country a service by escalating the downfall of our economic model. We have been on this course for a while, so many of us knew it was coming. Better to get ready for it now than put it off for another generation.

It is obvious to any sensible observer, or person of science, that the system cannot go on forever. It must end one day. Why not now?

I agree with Monbiot. Bring it on. It is not a question of if this economic model will come crashing down, it is only a question of when. I'm not being like the typical "sky is falling" liberal here folks, just being realistic.

So let me offer my suggestions for a better future, since I know many Alternet readers don't like to just read complaints, or dooms-day predictions. We need a new economic model based on energy and resources (earth and human), knowing that infinite growth, infinite anything, is not possible (by its very definition). Infinite is only a mathematical construct. We need a new equation to define how well a company does, one that includes the total energy/resources/revenue envelope. Let us pray that when it comes time to replace our current model with a new one that those in charge will understand this.

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Best article I've read in months!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 3, 2007 9:11 AM   
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Such a pleasure to read the truth, spelled out in clear, concise, and coherent language.

The economic theories of the past century are all nonsense. They were cooked up by wealthy interests to provide 'scientific justification' for their positions of wealth and power.

In a previous age, such justifications were provided by Social Darwinists, who claimed the "might makes right" was the natural order of human society - an evolutionary imperative, actually.

Before that, such justifications were based on religious doctrines - "God has blessed the righteous with wealth, and has condemned the sinners to poverty."

Thomas Jefferson said it well: "All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God..."

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» Because.... Posted by: NumberSix
SO IT'S ABOUT HARDSHIP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 3, 2007 9:14 AM   
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Have you looked around lately? Exactly how much hardship is enough? The fact is that a non-violent and contented society has to be free from constant fear. People can withstand hardship for a time but not when there is no end in sight. Pull in the belt, lift up by the boot straps wears thin when you and your kids are hungry. We have government that controls us. Keeps us in line. More likely to send a kid to jail then to college. It ain't working. Thanks, ANNA

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In addition...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 3, 2007 9:16 AM   
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...a recession would probably wipe out the securities that people who can do math are investing in due to increasing teetering of the Ponzi scheme termed so-called "social security".

If you're of a mind that people who put off the "give me, give me, give me" mentality, and instead save and live frugally...if you're of a mind that these people should be punished for having the nerve to plan for the contingency that young workers may not be able to fill the federal nipple full enough one day...

...then you'd probably write an article advocating a recession. Or, perhaps you'd join one of many doomsday cults.

A healthy economy in a liberal-leaning market is good for people. For the economic fundies out there: increasing the number of unemployed, hungry, impoverished and/or homeless does not make the world a better place, regardless of what your angels and demons are whispering. That's just your fantasy.

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» "Born again" philosophy... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Cetainly so. Posted by: ABetterFuture
It's time for a revolution in economic theory:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 3, 2007 9:38 AM   
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TRUECOST ECONOMICS MANIFESTO

We, the undersigned, make this accusation: that you, the teachers of neoclassical economics and the students that you graduate, have perpetuated a gigantic fraud upon the world.

You claim to work in a pure science of formula and law, but yours is a social science, with all the fragility and uncertainty that this entails. We accuse you of pretending to be what you are not.

You hide in your offices, protected by your jargon, while in the real world forests vanish, species perish, human lives are ruined and lost. We accuse you of gross negligence in the management of our planetary household.

You have known since its inception that your measure of economic progress, the Gross Domestic Product, is fundamentally flawed and incomplete, and yet you have allowed it to become a global standard, reported day by day in every form of media.

We accuse you of recklessly supporting the illusion of progress at the expense of human and environmental health.

You have done great harm, but your time is coming to its close. The revolution of economics has begun, as hopeful and determined as any in our history. We will have our clash of paradigms, we will have our moment of truth, and out of each will come a new economics – open, holistic, human scale.

On campus after campus, we will chase you old goats out of power. Then, in the months and years that follow, we will begin the work of reprogramming the doomsday machine.

Sign the manifesto at
TruecostEconomics.Org

This is a topic that the financial press, the BBC and NPR shun at all costs - because their "objective economic analysis" are the biggest lies of all - and it applies to Keynesian economic theory just as much as it does to Friedman's monetarism. The alternative press in the U.S. isn't much better - you aren't likely to see this discussed on Democracy Now, for example. The last of the honest economists were Adam Smith and David Riccardo - it's been all downhill since then.

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We're already in a recession!
Posted by: Voicedude on Nov 3, 2007 9:45 AM   
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I've got news for you....
....we're already in a recession!

Like everything else in the Bush Denial Machine,
they just won't admit it.

At this point, they'd rather just pass this off to the next President and blame her for it. Sad to think that the GOP-ers would rather destroy the country just to destroy the credibility of the Dems, but there it is! The Dems are also pretty screwed up, but I can't see them doing that....

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» Yes we are already in a recession Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» RE: Yes we are already in a recession Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: We're already in a recession! Posted by: wheresarah
Programed to spend
Posted by: makeadifference on Nov 3, 2007 10:54 AM   
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I think the retailers are worried. Christmas music is playing nonstop on the radio in Raleigh, NC. The radio programers are programing the people to spend, spend, spend.

Once you have awakened you can't go back to sleep...watch: Zeitgeist movie!

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» RE: Programed to spend Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Programed to spend Posted by: jbur816
Some relevant quotes from Albert...
Posted by: Trazom on Nov 3, 2007 11:01 AM   
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1. The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest.

2. We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

3. Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.

4. The conscientious objector is a revolutionary. On deciding to disobey the law he sacrifices his personal interests to the most important cause of working for the betterment of society.

5. There are two ways of resisting war: the legal way and the revolutionary way. The legal way involves the offer of alternative service not as a privilege for a few but as a right for all. The revolutionary view involves an uncompromising resistance, with a view to breaking the power of militarism in time of peace or the resources of the state in time of war.

6. I am absolutely convinced that no wealth in the world can help humanity forward, even in the hands of the most devoted worker in this cause. The example of great and pure personages is the only thing that can lead us to find ideas and noble deeds. Money only appeals to selfishness and always irresistibly tempts its owner to abuse it. Can anyone imagine Moses, Jesus or Gandhi with the moneybags of Carnegie?

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One problem with your theory, Mr. Monbiot
Posted by: MAD on Nov 3, 2007 11:04 AM   
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Mr Monbiot's argument is a compelling one insofar as it cuts through the quaint, meandering economic ruminations of the usual moneyed-class pundits and reveals what the Jim Cramers of the world would be preaching if they were honest with themselves and their listeners. For quite some time, I have been singing the very same hymnal: that a full blown recession/depression is probably the only curative for what ails us. That or an asteroid impact that killing a full 75% of the world's human population.

I believe it has been apparent for some time that our economic model is fatally flawed. With resource depletion being what it is, there is positively no way aspiring consumers in places like India, China and Brazil can hope to attain what we have in terms of accumulation of material objects, aka, STUFF. After all, that is the ultimate measure of a person's worth in our capitalist dystopia, is it not? That won't stop them from trying to catch up with the Joneses, however. As a hodgepodge of nascent capitalist countries take flight, those which were mainly out in the communist/command economy cold will come to realize that the only means of feeding this ravenous beast is through ever increasing consumption. And so goes the century . . . upwards and onwards, depleting all earth's natural resources until such time as famine, pestilence and/or war intervene.

Perhaps we've already arrived. After all, "you've come a long way, baby". Wars are sprouting up everywhere now. Even Pakistan and Turkey appear ready to enter the fray along with a host of other countries bent on "getting theirs". It won't be long until some hyper-potent form of Staphylococcus or Avian Flu starts thinning the herd. We've already had a taste of what an global epidemic looks like in our modern A-380 society. As for famine . . . well, I think there's already plenty of that going around. Right here in the grand ol' US of A even.

Unfortunately, I will have to disagree with Mr. Monbiot on one glaring point. In his view, a recession will cleanse the system and remind us what is most important. Presumably that's family, friends, quality of life and love, etc. That very well may be true for many, but recessions and like financial slowdowns invariably affect the poor far more intensely than the wealthy. I doubt many of America's modern oligarchs will be reduced to biking to their new job at Subway.

As usual, poorer Americans who are truly "not in the know" will be separated from their ever depreciating albeit hard earned greenbacks in one final orgy of hyperinflation and indebtedness. I honestly expect to see the dollar abolished in favor of a new currency for which the wealthy among us will have traded up to long ago. The point is, wealth like that possessed by Warren Buffet, Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei is immutable and eternal. There will always be a Blackwater or Dyncorp to ensure that the kleptrocracy is intact and suppressing those who would dare step out of line, presuming to have the right to something more than a ration of bread after a day in the company mine. Welcome to your future in the Neo-Feudal society.

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» RE: Bleak assessment, Mad Posted by: peacelf
» RE: Bleak assessment, Mad Posted by: CanadianTheorist
Article makes a few misassumptions
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 3, 2007 12:00 PM   
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For starters, that we may see a recession that the economists at the Fed are fighting to stop. In reality, we're already in a severe recession. The only reason that the stats don't show it is because the Bush Administration flat out lies and uses fraudulent statistics.

The reality is that inflation may be as high as 16 percent and not the 2 percent crapola coming out of the BLS. The price of gold and oil are screaming this. Take out inflation and GDP is shrinking, not growing.

The second problem with this article is the word "recession". We should be talking Depression-- one worse than the 1930s.

People will suffer, but there's no way out. Those who put their money in the stock market will be the first victims. Those with dollar denominated assets will be the second. Those ultimately losing their jobs will be the next, and finally, those depending on pensions and SS will bite the dust.

It will be the ultimate genius of Bush and the Fed to try and stop the financial mess through hyperinflation, like Germany in the 1920s. The results will be the same.

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This belongs on Spoof dot com!
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Nov 3, 2007 12:02 PM   
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The idea that a recession is going to somehow reverse the damage done to the environment... all I can say is ... WoW. You want to see environmental destruction... you just wait till there's 30% unemployment and people are choppin down trees left and right just to get firewood. And it wont just be trees either. You'll have a major increase in strip mining for coal. Environmental regulations will be overturned en mass. Pollution will skyrocket. Go look at past recessions and what countries do to get out of them. They raid the land for resources. At least when there is job growth and economic growth, people can afford to be somewhat civilized in their stewardship of the earth. It may not be perfect but what this guy is advocating will lead to unprecedented environmental ruin.

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False Choices
Posted by: Urgelt on Nov 3, 2007 12:58 PM   
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I think this article is infused with muddy thinking.

Some of what the article says strikes a resonant chord. The jet ski example illustrates a fundamental flaw in pure capitalist ideology which, potentially, could reach its fullest expression by extinguishing humanity through extreme climate change - damage to ecosystems that are "off the books" when it comes to profit and loss statements. Unregulated capitalism is dangerous.

But where do we stop? Two billion humans live in extreme misery. Population is rising. Are we going to lock them and their descendants into the status of have-nots? Or just let them die?

The global climate problem started around 1880, not 2005 - when there were only 1.2 billion people and most of them weren't industrialized. How could we ever cut back energy consumption enough to matter? It would take more than a recession; it would take a die-back of epic proportions to make any substantial difference.

The answer is, we can't stop. Having reached this point, technology is the only way forward.

Capitalism has faults, but it arises out of an extremely simple principle: humans will engage in activities to advance their status and wealth. They are self-serving. If an economic model fails to account for this, it will fail - as pure communism fails. True, people also indulge in other motivations, but we will never convince people to stop seeking self-advantage. Because humans will seek it, wishing they would stop is a waste of time. We need solutions that tap that activity and guide it usefully, not solutions that attempt to frustrate it.

I'm an advocate for a mixed economy. A mixed economy is one which is powered by capitalism, but restrains its worst excesses through regulation, incentives, disincentives, and wealth redistribution. With a mixed economy, we can gain the advantages of technological advancement and higher standards of living capitalism offers, while guiding it to assure that its success does not destroy our biosphere, and us.

My prescription isn't to hope for a recession. It's to guide a transition to non-CO2-emitting energy sources, to grow per capita energy consumption, to continue industrializing the world. It's our only real hope.

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» RE: False Choices Posted by: matti
I've been living in a "recession" for years
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 3, 2007 1:56 PM   
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without a car or a home of my own, on a very limited income and I have done quite well. The problem with this world is greed, hyper inflated expectations and unchecked growth. Most people don't want to alter their lifestyles or material expectations and reject anything that suggests they might have to. I have read Mr. Monbiot's writing and I agree with him. There is enough food water and land to sustain us all on this planet if people could just keep their greed in check. Unfortunately it will never happen and therefore humanity is doomed to extinction as a species.

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Uncle Milty Luvs your Idea..
Posted by: ldasteelworker on Nov 3, 2007 4:05 PM   
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"Only a crisis, actual or perceived, produces real change." - Milton Friedman

George you really play right into the hands of those in the power elite that actually want economic or other crisis worldwide in order to implement their neo-liberal economic agenda launched by Milton Friedman and others subscribing to the "Chicago School" and "Washington Consensus" economic theories since the 1950's.

You might recognize the agenda... Wait for a crisis or create one; implement economic shock therapy, cut social spending to the bone, dismantle existing laws and democracy, completely deregulate corporations, privatize any publicly held and paid for government asset or common resource, and transfer any associated private corporate debt from this process to the public through direct bailouts, subsidies, and/or some form of tax abatements. And the key is to do this process as completely and quickly as possible before any knowledge, examination, or political resistance can precipitate...

It's an agenda marked by 30 years of mass violence and suffering, corruption, and collusion between governments and multinational corporations around the world. Examples abound: Indonesia, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, England, South Africa, United States, Russia, China, Mexico, Iraq, etc...

It's also marked with war on the workers, unions, journalists, or anyone expressing concern about or taking action on civil, social, or environmental issues. Otherwise, if your one of the elite class or a corporation with access to enough capital, you can make tremendous amounts of money during these times of opportunity.

And this is where your point about economic growth comes in... The so-called "Free-Market" neo-liberal economic agenda requires a constant frontier on which to plunder in order to sustain itself. And the doctrine of that agenda has no competition when it comes to whether or not that type economic growth is for the good of society, true democracy, or our planet or not.

I believe that the that greed in an unregulated economy often does not server the better good, contrary to the Gordon Gekko's in this world who believe that;

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right; greed works." - Wall Street, the Film by Oliver Stone.

The Gekko's "damn I wish you could see this" perfect economic future is one that will never materialize and its current manifestations are completely unsustainable requiring constant crisis until we finally collapse in economic, environmental, and/or military exhaustion...

Namoi Klein has pointed out in debate over her new book "The Shock Doctrine" that; "... the violence, shocks and crises that were so central to these chapters is not to claim that these tactics are new or unique to right-wingers, but to challenge the prevailing, and I believe dangerous myth that modern deregulated capitalism swept the globe peacefully."

We do not need another crisis as an excuse for the neo-liberals to impose their failed and unsustainable economic agendas upon the masses of the world...

I want to see an economic revolution that lifts up the living and educational standards for people of our world with true conservation coupled with renewable and sustainable energy, technology, and Developmental or Keynesian economies rather than those based upon crisis and destruction.

See Also:

The Shock Doctrine by Alfonso Cuarón and Naomi Klein
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc )

The Shock Doctrine Official Webpage
( http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine )

The Guardian's Webpage on The Shock Doctrine
( http://books.guardian.co.uk/shockdoctrine )

America's Deadly Shock Doctrine in Iraq
( http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/62525/ )

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As you wish!
Posted by: TT25 on Nov 3, 2007 9:57 PM   
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SO BE IT!

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on Nov 4, 2007 1:00 AM   
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well greed is more a corporate thing that is affecting us.
But we have given up our power to our fears.you want to screw with the system just everyone take a week off, no buy gas, no go work, no do nothing, no go to war, no do anything, no vote, no nuttin honeyit takes us to recognize we are more in the same boat together instead of against each other we need to use our collective power. close ranks boys and gurls, steady as she goes, they really cant do shit if we operate like this, all together now...1.2.3 all together now. dooodly doodly dooddoo.alltogether now 1,2.3, 4, did sally shut the door? 5,6,7,8 did you get the directions strait?

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Glad the Titanic sank
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 4, 2007 7:08 AM   
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This is one of the wierdest and ridiculous articles to have appeared on Alternet in a long while.

It's like saying: "I'm glad the Titanic hit that iceberg. That'll take care of those smart-ass Astors and Guggenheims and Strauss's."

Never mind that far more helpless and vulnerable 2nd and third class suffered and died. But I suppose Mr. Monibot would dismiss that as regretable collateral damage.

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I wish you were right, George
Posted by: Bytesmiths on Nov 4, 2007 11:32 AM   
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I agree that if humanity were to voluntarily choose the path of permanent recession, there could be hope.

But almost everyone will see a recession as imposed from outside, as something to work against.

What typically happens during a recession is the "Jevons Paradox": getting by with less eventually causes people to use even more. The bust is followed by an even greater boom. Reduction in consumption will cause prices of natural resources to fall, which will fuel a rise in consumption.

I think the only thing that can save us is really running out of resources, a truly permanent recession, imposed by nature. A recession at this point of peak resource will, unfortunately, be but a slight blip.

We (as a civilization, not as individuals) are trapped on this roller-coaster. Some of us have opted out -- I've been living "in recession" for a decade now -- but not enough to make much of a difference. I'm only hopeful that those who are living sustainably will survive to become teachers.

Jan Steinman, EcoReality

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» nothing to worry about! Posted by: ReallyBearish
Jet ski solution
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 4, 2007 2:28 PM   
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On Sunday I visited the only UN biosphere reserve in Wales: the Dyfi estuary. As is usual at weekends, several hundred people had come to enjoy its beauty and tranquillity and, as is usual, two or three people on jet skis were spoiling it for everyone else.

Simple solution: Sell jet skis to anyone who wants them. Sell hunting rifles to everyone else.

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Let the grid go down lord...
Posted by: Michiganman on Nov 4, 2007 8:42 PM   
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and save us from ourselves.
Seems like a ridiculous idea but does merit much consideration....
Guess the amish might help us?.....
aw crap I better go buy a few cases of vegtables...
The best to you and yours....Good Luck!

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According to a recent WSJ assessment, the US economy has grown at less than 3% annually for years.
Posted by: yellow on Nov 5, 2007 6:17 AM   
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There was some kind of exitement in an edition of the Wall Street Journal last week over the fact that the second and third quarters of 2007 saw over 3% real growth back to back. This was held to be the first time such a thing to occured since 2004 when two quarters experienced over 3% real growth consecutively. Other than this we have experienced about 2.8% economic growth since 1981 and this year is set for about 2.7% according to predictions.

Considering the fact that over 4.5% average rates of growth were the norm in the immediate three decades of the end of WWII, this represents an epoch of chronic stagnation of late monopoly capitalism over the last twenty five years. The problem is a paucity of fresh investment in output, much of which goes into employment reducing mergers & acquisitions, and, of course, a lack of growing effective consumer demand which is sustained almost entirely by inflation producing debt through credit expansion.

We are in for an epoch of stagflation 1970s style. When there is as much slack in the labor market and industrial capacity utilization as there is presently, demand can be stimulated to increase output up to the point of full employment. But when high and rising energy and food costs plus a monoplist corporate structure puts upward pressure on prices, effective demand will be cut short long before output can expand sufficiently to eliminate unemployment thus negating the positive effects of the Keynesian demand stimulous strategy. So debt driven growth continues creating inflation in order to relieve the very stagnation it is creating through its contradictory strategy of financialization and expansion of consumer credit without creating real production to absorb unused industrial capacity and unemployed workers.

The fear is that such a strategy would put downward pressure on profits through full employment's upward pressure on wages. The real problem is late capitalism's attempts to expand while continually "restructuring" the global division of labor so as to exclude workers from the benefits of growth. Streamlining production to make it "lean and mean", sqeezing unit costs out of global supply chains through union busting and the elimination of "high cost producers" (who employ union labor) through pressure exerted by huge global retail monopolies like Walmart are part of this strategy of capital. Financialization has been the strategy to hold up effective consumer demand in an epoch of a growing maldistribution of wealth and a shrinking middle class.

Military spending also holds up late capitalism but is also inflationary. This is because liquidity increases without sufficient production of consumer goods and services to absorb it.Under GW Bush, military spending has grown from just over 3% of the GDP to almost 4.5%, an increase that represents hundreds of billions of dollars. This "investment" represents an opportunity cost in job creation. Government taxing and spending in the area of energy efficiency, mass transit, health care, education and affordable housing construction would generate more stable consumer demand based on real production and productivity while creating far more jobs at a living wage. The proper coalition to undergird an agenda based on human need not corporate greed would be necessary to demand such a program. For now the working and middle classes are hopelessly misled by various political campaigns of right wing populism and jingoism. This is the real source of inhibition to democratic socialism needed by the broad and growing masses of America's laboring poor.

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You come
Posted by: argyle on Nov 5, 2007 6:35 AM   
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so close to understanding the problem. Land monopoly is the only basis for poverty. Labor acting on natural resources produces wealth. Exclusive title to the wealth not produced by the labor of man, nature, is how the "nobility" of all times and places have established themselves as owners of their fellow men. Change the owners, tweak the rules, as long as a man or a company is allowed to profit off of something they did not make, the devious will rule the industrious. Economic Democracy

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ClassAct
Posted by: ClassAct on Nov 5, 2007 9:09 AM   
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While Mr. Monbiot sagely reminds us that the effects of recession or depression are avoidable, they must come to afflict the less fortunate unless they are politically mobilized and committed to an achievable program. Spartacus and his slaves failed and were put to death. Jack-a-Doakes thought it was best to begin by hanging all the lawyers, but were then hung themselves. The French Revolution ended in police state terror and empire. The Paris Commune ended in massacre. The Soviet Union ended in collapse and crime mob warfare. Where is the political program that can replace the ill-conceived capitalism that benefits only the ill concepts of capitalists?
The only answer lies with thermodynamics. Yes, economy is a pseudoscience that is necessarily bound by the laws of thermodynamics. These are known as efficiencies and in considering the net efficiency for society, they must be multiplied to produce a throughput value. Municipal electrical dynamos, for instance, are rated at 40% efficiency. If a customer uses city power to drive his business and he is operating at an unrealistic machine-like efficiency of 40%, the net throughput is only 16%! Real efficiency throughputs are probably more in the realm of 1%.
For a basic introduction to the concept of thermodynamic economics, see:
www.eco.uni-heidelberg.de/ng-oeoe/research/
papers/Faber%20et%20al%20AEE%201998.pdf
and
dieoff.org

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Let us hope for a deep recession and not eventual economic collapse
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Nov 5, 2007 11:46 AM   
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CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE NOW!
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 1:06 PM   
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A sitting member of Congress is introducing a measure to impeach the vice president of the United States and the story isn't visible on Alternet. This should be the leading story on a website that bills itself as an "alternative" to the mainstream. Some alternative! More like left gatekeeper.

For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:

1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354

Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.

I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called