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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Recording Industry Slams Single Mom for File-Sharing

By Dean Baker, TruthOut.org. Posted October 9, 2007.


Last week, a jury determined that Jammie Thomas, a single mother living in Minnesota, should pay $222,000 to the recording industry for allowing other people to download 24 songs off her computer. Are you next?

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Last week, a jury determined that Jammie Thomas, a single mother living in Minnesota, should pay $222,000 to the recording industry for allowing other people to download 24 songs off her computer on a file-sharing system. That's a pretty steep fine for passing along a few copies of Britney Spears' latest hits.

The recording industry was apparently able to track down this crime by hiring a high-tech sleuth who has software that can monitor the files people place on their computers. No doubt, the recording industry's sleuth has been visiting a computer near you.

The recording industry has been having a difficult time adjusting to the modern world. Digital technology and the Internet make it possible to instantly and costlessly transfer recorded music, movies, videos, and other material anywhere in the world. While this is great news for consumers, and those who value freedom of expression, as well as writers and musicians who want their work to reach the greatest possible audience, these technological developments are really bad news for the entertainment industry.

The entertainment industry makes its money off of copyrights. It wants to be able to charge people to get music and movies and it can't do that if people can get it for free. And, they want the nanny state to make people pay them. That's why Ms. Thomas may spend the rest of her life paying a fine for allowing 24 songs to be shared with others.

This is not the first time the entertainment industry has gone over the top to try to enforce copyrights. A few years back, it had a Russian computer scientist arrested at an academic conference for presenting a paper that explained how the industry's encryption codes could be broken. It has gone into college dorm rooms and teenagers' bedrooms looking for evidence of unauthorized copies of recorded music. It has coerced colleges into having propaganda classes on the virtues of copyrights for incoming freshman (no doubt led by experts from North Korea). It has even prepared a new curriculum that seeks to indoctrinate kids as early as kindergarten in the merits of copyright protection.

It's long past time for a little reality check. Copyright dates back to 16th century Venice. It was a mechanism for allowing writers to profit from their work by giving them a state-enforced monopoly. It has continued since that time, with the state-granted monopoly being extended both in scope and duration. Copyrights now cover music, movies, video games, and a wide range of other material. The duration has also been repeatedly extended so that copyrights in the United States now persist for 95 years after the death of the author.

While copyrights do provide an incentive for creative work, they are an extremely inefficient mechanism for this end. It is most efficient when items are sold at their marginal cost. Economists generally get infuriated about the economic distortions that are created when tariffs of 10 percent or 20 percent are placed on items like steel or clothes. In the case of copyrights, material that could otherwise be transferred at zero cost, instead commands prices of $15 for CDs, $30 for movies, and even higher prices for other items, entirely because of the government-granted monopoly. For this reason, the economic distortions created by copyright dwarf the economic damage caused by other forms of trade protection.

There are many other mechanisms for supporting creative work, such as university funding (most professors are expected to publish in addition to their teaching), foundation funding, or direct public support. It is easy to design alternative mechanisms to expand this pool of non-copyright funding, such as the Artistic Freedom Voucher, which would give each person a small tax credit to support creative work of their choosing.

With the entertainment industry getting increasingly out of control, it is important that we start to develop better alternatives to copyright. We need to think of how we should support creative work in the 21st century and not let the entertainment industry drag us back into the 16th century.

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Dean Baker is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. TomPaine contributor.

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interesting idea
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 9, 2007 2:47 PM   
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The AFV is an intriguing. I read the paper on it from 2003 and it raises some questions: how would seeking a copyright after the AFV term expires impact the public domain use of a post-AFV work after AFV expiration, how does current copyright restrictions impact tax dollars... that claim was made wihtout any supporting documentation, how does a creative worker pursue infringement remedies post AFV? What happens to subsequent versions or editions of works created under AFV? Why can't a consumer simply make a contribution and earn the AFV tax-credit, why does the funding have to go through the registry?

I think the author is onto something but those questions and more need to be hashed out. Currently a fiction writer has two choices:
1. go through the conventional crapshoot (which means starve for 2-10 years while building up their reputation at which point either they make it and earn a meager income from the crapshoot or quit in abject poverty) or
2. self-publish online and deal with the stigma of having an additional barricade to overcome in the conventional publishing crapshoot (see no. 1, then imagine it on crack). In option 2, the writer (creative worker--nice Marxist term that one, it's appealing on one level and unnerving on others) has to decide to go bareback and charge nothing or use a donation button via paypal or some similar payment processor, and hope to the universe folks will pay for them to keep working or put a security code on a PDF file (as one e.g.) and guarantee either lower sales of works or at least some income. It's still a crapshoot either way.

I know lots of local musicians with pretty big audience followings that make enough money from CD sales and proliferation of file shared releases (mp3 files they post on their websites in the hope of getting their name and work around) but it's those CD sales or paid downloads (through iTunes for e.g.) that pay the damned bills--they just choose to not enforce their copyright on anyone file-sharing their freebies. I've seen guys with donation buttons lose their shirt. Either way copyright and selective enforcement by the indie artist seems to be working.

It sounds like an AFV could guarantee some form of income (although I dare the author to try to live on $40K a year with two kids... although I'd take it out of sheer desperation and deprivation in a heartbeat). But from the paper I'm not sure exactly how yet.

I don't want to see the kind of shitstorm that hit the subject of the article happening to anyone. As an artist the goal is to get your stuff out, build an audience, make people think, cry, bleed, smile, laugh, fuck, fight, etc. You hope you can get paid, hell, it's really important to get paid, so you can keep doing it again. You never want to see your fans get shellacked like this.

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Is this who the RIAA really hates?
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 9, 2007 3:21 PM   
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Here's the $222,000 playlist, from Threat Level:

- Guns N Roses "Welcome to the Jungle"; "November Rain"
- Vanessa Williams "Save the Best for Last"
- Janet Jackson "Let's What Awhile"
- Gloria Estefan "Here We Are"; "Coming Out of the Heart"; "Rhythm is Gonna Get You"
- Goo Goo Dolls "Iris"
- Journey "Faithfully"; "Don't Stop Believing"
- Sara McLachlan "Possession"; "Building a Mystery"
- Aerosmith "Cryin'"
- Linkin Park "One Step Closer"
- Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar on Me"
- Reba McEntire "One Honest Heart"
- Bryan Adams "Somebody"
- No Doubt "Bathwater"; "Hella Good"; "Different People"
- Sheryl Crow "Run Baby Run"
- Richard Marx "Now and Forever"
- Destiny's Child "Bills, Bills, Bills"
- Green Day "Basket Case"

People had to go to Jammie Thomas in Minnesota for this crap? They couldn't just turn on their radio and push "record" during an album-rock FM-station weekend marathon in "Rock-tober"?

Why bother selling computers to people if their musical taste is trapped in some 1987 EMI corporate nightmare?

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And... Threat Level finds a real gem in the Duluth jury
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 9, 2007 3:39 PM   
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From Threat Level:

Jury member Michael Hegg, a 38-year-old steelworker who works 14-hour night shifts: "We wanted to send a message that you don't do this, that you have been warned... She lied. There was no defense. Her defense sucked. We're not that stupid up here."

So... the RIAA is ready to extend a helping hand or a low-interest loan when Hegg's family is in trouble? That's some pretty fierce corporate loyalty Hegg has for RIAA lawyers and execs who can't wait to get the hell out of Duluth now that the trial's over.

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4.5
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 10, 2007 2:53 AM   
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Talk about smashing ants with a hammer...I mean, was she making copies and selling them on the street?

Concerned music fans should avoid supporting RIAA related music, since their modus operandi seems to be soaking and bullying the little guy.

There's a lot of good music out there, much of it not RIAA related...lots of struggling musicians who don't have familiar names, but put out better music than a lot of mainstream "musicians".

This is one site: http://www.riaaradar.com/. I'm sure there are others.

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» RE: 4.5 Posted by: herronsmith
Article is on the right track...
Posted by: whathaway on Oct 10, 2007 4:26 AM   
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but I think we are missing something when we consider the music industry. Recorded music as a large corporate product is likely on its way out. I think many on the creative side know this, I know the musicians I hang out with understand this. The only place to make money is in performance. I create music and release alot of it on the itnernet for free. My hope is that people will like the music, then come to hear me perform. Hey I am not going to get filthy rich, but if I work hard, put out good performances, people will come and I will pay my bills. I think we have to challenge the idea that a product (song) can be conjurred up, recorded and then sold with the hopes that there is money to be made. In reality it is just too easy (tools for digital recording: basic computer, microphone, 50$ software). Now being a song writer, musician and performer..... ah that's entertainment.

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» RE: Article is on the right track... Posted by: VannaLaRoche
What's next?
Posted by: Sushi on Oct 10, 2007 4:47 AM   
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What's next? Blockbuster charging us more money if we have friends over to watch a DVD?

This is nothing more than another fear-tactic where they make an example out of someone. Make it front-page news so they can publish outrageous fines and show poor 'mom' being hauled off in handcuffs to make the rest of America cower in fear of big industries.

I hear someone filed for a patent on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Next we'll be paying royalties on lunch.

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Big Brother isn't just the government, it's corporations too.
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 10, 2007 6:07 AM   
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Not long before Jerry Garcia died, I went to one of the last Grateful Dead concerts. I was amazed and impressed to find out that not only did the Dead allow people to record their concerts, they actually had a recording area set up to make it easier! Now that was a band that respected its fans.

I realize that it's not mainly the artists themselves who are trying to restrict access to their music, but it surely seems like something is terribly wrong when an individual is fined such an outrageous amount for downloading a few songs. Corporate America strikes again. Any jury that would permit such a payout has to be living in the dark and has no idea how much Big Business has taken over our lives.

It used to be common to record music off the radio or even TV, and I know lots of people who have copied movies. I wonder how soon the technology will exist to identify anyone who records a song or movie from these sources in order to drag that person into court. It's probably in the works right now.

Big Brother is watching us indeed!

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Regardless of the facts of this case...
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Oct 10, 2007 6:48 AM   
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...I am sick of the recording industry and its rampant, undisguised greed. I am sick of the way wonderful new technologies are mangled or completely destroyed (digital tape, anyone?) in their favor.

So I am fighting back in the only way I can, which is to never buy their products. No, I don't download. I simply do without or listen to the radio. Nuts to them.

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» And the funny thing is... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Is placing hacking software, spy ware, and the like on someone's computer legal?
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 10, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Is it legal to do so? Can evidence gained by these methods be used in court to prosecute someone? Apparently, the answer is 'yes'. I didn't read the whole case and this article doesn't mention the specific methods. I'm curious:
1) what kind of software/spyware was placed on her computer?
2) who placed it on her computer?
3) were any warrants obtained to place the software on her computer?
4) was it place on her computer without her knowledge?
5) can evidence obtained this way be used in court?
6) is there software available to identify/block this type of 'breaking and entering' on one's computer?

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» You know NOTHING Posted by: gellero
Theft
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Oct 10, 2007 7:24 AM   
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nice to see so many folks support it.

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» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: lamar
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: lamar
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: lamar
» RE: But it is theft... Posted by: EagleMB
» If by "theft" you mean... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Intellectual Property Rights Posted by: Julia1977
» RE: Too bad you are wrong... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: What a mess... Posted by: lamar
» RE: What a mess... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: What a mess... Posted by: lamar
» Gutless Wonders Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» RE: Gutless Wonders Posted by: EagleMB
Thank you Alternet for finally exposing the hypocrisies of Big Media/Entertainment.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 10, 2007 7:28 AM   
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The problem with the Democrats is not only are they cowards in their idiotic thinking that they'll be labelled "soft on terror", they're taking money from these groups just to "compete". No wonder on the issue of privacy rights, neither the GOP nor the Democrats have any regards for people's rights to privacy. They would much rather protect Corporate America's right to privacy or for that matter Osama bin Laden's !

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Intellectual Property Rights
Posted by: Julia1977 on Oct 10, 2007 7:55 AM   
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Its extremely offensive to find anyone here sympathetic and supportive of this music pirate mom.

I am glad to see the enforcement of the law. Musicians are ALWAYS getting ripped off and screwed. Not just by big recording companies but frequently by their own listeners and fans who love them yet don't respect the time, care, talent and effort put into creating the music in the first place.

Protecting Intellectual Property Rights from piracy is important if new music is to be created. Recording, rehearsing, arranging, and creating are all costly and necessary parts of creating music for others to enjoy.
When musicians cannot recover or be fairly compensated for their work, there becomes a huge disincentive to create or release new songs and music.

Just like any software program or artwork, those who create good things for us and enrich our existence must be protected from the selfish thieves who don't care or respect other people.

A future of music and software and innovations is dependent on the creators being able to receive just compensation for their work. Its a matter of basic labor fairness.

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» RE: Intellectual Property Rights Posted by: Logic's Edge
» a huge disincentive, eh? Posted by: deborama
It's A Matter Of Percentages
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 10, 2007 8:08 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've read a few articles on this subject and there is one thing that nobody seems to mention, and one commenter touched on it above. That is, the ability to copy and share music has been around since long before iPod, Naptser, Kazaa even the CD.

In my younger days, it used to be common practice for people to copy using that ubiquitous piracy device of the late 80's, that's right, the dual-cassette deck. With this baby, you would wait until one of your friends got that new tape (or in later years CD), and you would record to your hearts' content. When you bought a new release, you would do the same for your friend. Then of course, let's not leave out that staple of teenagedom, the mix tape. That's how we shared music.

Funny thing, it's no different in principle to the file sharing of today, only the technology is different. I don't remember any uproar from the RIAA about the evils of cassette tapes. No warrants or raids or lawsuits against Maxell, TDK, or Sony for creating these evil tools of theft and distributing them to the masses of youth.

That's because the recording industry still had a strangle hold on money making, despite the use of cassette tapes. So these arguments about 'hurting artists' and it being about theft on some philosophical level hold no water. The only reason they are doing anything now, is because file sharing simply got to a level where they actually noticed the bottom line was being affected. It's about money, their their money, not the artist. It's a matter of percentages. The amount of 'shrinkage' has risen above a level they are willing to accept.

The record companies own the recordings, the publisher owns the song, the artist owns nothing, sometimes not even their own name. Lucky few have the option of buying back their life's work so that perhaps they have the choice to say no to their musical legacy being used for commercials about retirement investing.

I can say this: The number of new releases that I've heard in the last decade or so that I can listen to all the way through and actually like all the songs can be counted on one hand, with change left over. The industry is suffering from a lack of quality product. There seems to be little artist development. I look at the industry and I see the same resulting failure that you see from the big American auto manufacturers. Years of arrogance and poor quality products, and an absolute refusal to blame themselves for the resulting decline in sales.

It's time everyone liberated themselves from the industry. Artists and Listeners. People can take control of their own music. They can do it themselves. Perhaps they won't reach the same heights of fame and fortune, but if you aren't in it for the love of music, then you deserve the Recording Industry and they deserve you.

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» Oh Come on Posted by: gellero
» Where are we going? Posted by: lamar
» RE: Your facts are wrong... Posted by: EagleMB
The Music Man
Posted by: John Walters on Oct 10, 2007 8:51 AM   
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How is it legal for the recording industry to spy on what files I have on my computer? Even law enforcement can't sit around looking at my computer without a subpoena.

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» RE: The Music Man Posted by: InsertNameHere
» RE: The Music Man Posted by: sanity
» Wrong !! Posted by: gellero
» RE: They have a subpoena... Posted by: EagleMB
the RIAA is clamping down on them because....
Posted by: eosrk on Oct 10, 2007 9:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...they been putting out crappy to downright shitty--I wouldn't even call it music, just noise---for a very long time now. I could remember when rap music was about to be outlawed, now suddenly it's mainstream, and whenever something becomes mainstream, the art within it dies that made it special--or taboo. In other words, when it was uncool, and this is also the same for country, blues, rock, etc. etc, because it becomes watered down so much that it pretty much all looks the same, like taking a dump, and the worst of the lot in my opinion is gospel music, and it's just as crappy, too!

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Don't like it, don't buy it
Posted by: sanity on Oct 10, 2007 9:05 AM   
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If you don't like the system don't buy the product. It takes time, talent, and money to produce a song, movie, or work of literature (regardless of what you think of the talent). Such things are unique private property regardless of what you think about the quality or originality. Everyone is entitled to ownership of their creative and intellectual creations. It doesn't matter that people have been copying music for a long time. It doesn't matter if the recording industry charges too much. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Just don't steal it. How would you like it if fruits of your labor and expertise could be duplicated at no cost and distributed widely to the point that your labor and expertise were worthless? How would like it if you were compensated through voluntary contributions only? How much do you think you'd make compared to what you make now?

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piracy
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Oct 10, 2007 9:38 AM   
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dear author, can't wait till you have a product that I can steal and pay nothing. please hurry and make something of value so I can get my free share. thank you

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» Like Times Select? Posted by: lamar
Thoughts from a bigger music collector than you (really good chance...)
Posted by: thelostsailor on Oct 10, 2007 9:48 AM   
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While this is a fruitless witch hunt of sorts, given the number of people sharing STUDIO ALBUMS over the internet, I have little sympathy for this girl.
Given that the recording industry-musician outfit transformed completely with internet technology, it's naive to think that ALL music SHOULD be free, like much else, on the internet.

WHat has been lost in this internet move is how much LEGAL music is available on the internet. I refer mostly to live music, the pinnacle of the music artist expresssion/experience (IMHO). Studio albums, while well crafted, are mere warmups for the live venue. Due in large part to the need to draw a line in who will be targeted and stopped by the industry, the vast majority of live recorded music is legal. Thus, please don't waste your time looking for illegal studio copies on the internet- GO RIGHT FOR THE GOOD STUFF HERE!!!!
www.dimeadozen.org
many more legal music sites of this sort exist (I don't work for this website....)- just look.

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The REAL problem is
Posted by: dannrusso on Oct 10, 2007 9:55 AM   
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artists barely get paid for the albums that get sold. In fact, in most recording contracts (especially the brand-new ones) the artist gets less than a dollar out of the $12.95 or whatever CDs sell for. Of course, once you sell 10000000000000 CDs or albums or whatever then they renegotiate because you now have cred and you work up to at most $4 of the $12.95.

so. let me get this straight. I write a song, record it, put all my energy into getting it perfect and someone else makes $12 while I make the other 95cents? That seems to me to be the real thievery.

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» RE: The REAL problem is Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» Thievery? Posted by: gellero
library cards and sound
Posted by: tbone on Oct 10, 2007 10:20 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So what do you naysayers say to library cards, last time I checked they are either free or very cheap. I know several friends who even rent movies from the library. At what point is a work copyrightable? The answer is when it can make someone money! Is a dictionary copyrighted? What about the sound your hands make when you smack them together? How bout these words I am typing?

Face it, if you are an artist and you are concerned about "paying the bills" then you are probably a) not very good (IMO), b) have no real love for your art, and c) have no real marketing knowledge. I am a musician. I have helped make art. I do not expect people to pay me to hear my music...IN THEIR OWN PRIVACY. If I play a show, then yes I expect people to pay, because a PERFORMANCE is unique and is where an artist's true colors can be seen. Anyone can make a copy of a painting, anyone can go to the library, and anyone should be able to hear sound. Does a laser printed copy of Van Gogh do justice to a real oil painting? Do words read to myself share the same emotion as when they were written? Do the pressure waves propagating thru the air in my car BELONG to the person who plucked the guitar string? The reality is that we live in a world where priority is given to $ and fame, I call it the sports team mantra...if I win I am better than you. The nice thing is that there are artists out there that understand the universality of art and do not try to keep it from anyone...some other great LEGAL, Live music sites are bt.etree.org, digitalpanic.com, and many others. I dont infringe on copyrights. I trade/share legal live music that the bands support. Down with the RIAA and all their rethug cronies.

fyi, the RIAA did have a major problem with audio cassette tapes...they forced the manufacturers to include a fee for every tape sold...it wasnt much, but it did make up for some of their perceived loss. Now they just can't figure out how to charge for bandwidth...another govt subsidized corporate monopoly.

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» RE: library cards and sound Posted by: kenhymes
Magna carta(1225)
Posted by: Pugi! on Oct 10, 2007 10:48 AM   
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20. For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood.

Some common sense from almost 800 years ago.

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» RE: Magna carta(1225) Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Magna carta(1225) Posted by: Pugi!
» RE: Magna carta(1225) Posted by: lamar
Of Radio Head And Creeping Fascism
Posted by: MAD on Oct 10, 2007 11:13 AM   
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Watch as groups follow the lead of Radio Head and limit sales to the internet while bypassing the record companies entirely. It makes for good PR and their tours, the real $$ makers, are frequented at a much higher rate. Then watch as those who control the internet in collusion with recording labels attempt to limit such sales or outlaw them altogether.

The days of making 20% or less on each album (unit) sold are hopefully winding down. So too are the days of selling us bullshit CDs with 2 or 3 decent songs and 9 fillers for $18.99. Fuck these slimy pieces of shit at Sony, Warner, EMI, etc.

As for this hapless fall guy (or gal as the case may be), expect to see more of this kind of shit, but writ large (I know - $200k+ seems pretty large) and with far more dangerous consequences. Soon, some of us will be scooped up and whisked away to a Czech dormitory for some goulash and testicular electroshock "therapy".

Fascism is creeping and outrageous fines of this sort are handed down to shock and then mollify us as they become more commonplace. They have laid the groundwork for more gestapo-like tactics so no one will be surprised when the next $250K fine gets handed down. On the contrary, it will merely illicit a gaping "yawn" from the general public.

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"From Each According To Their Ability
Posted by: dumdumboy on Oct 10, 2007 11:59 AM   
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"...To each according to their needs."

I wonder who needs the $220,000 more, the single mother or the successful recording artists?

In this age of conforming playlists there is a need for an alternate method for artists to be heard other than on corporate radio stations. It could be argued that making mixed-tapes or mixed CDs actually increase revenue for the corporations that exist, like parasites, from increased awareness leading to people wanting the whole package of an artist. I know that I have purchased far more stuff that I was introduced to by friends than by any radio, radio station ever.

This seems like a show-trial. The trial that's really needed is to force the corporations that control what we hear to explain how they play such total crap day in and day out when there's so much more interesting stuff out there. They should be made to pay a fine for insulting our intelligence and driving us away from their mediocrity and mind-numbing conformity.

And free radio!

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I steal music
Posted by: wheresarah on Oct 10, 2007 1:01 PM   
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And I think it's safe to say that I support the artists more than any of you who don't go to their shows.

The love of my life is music, I live for it.

At my house, we download everything under the sun. If we don't like it, it gets trashed.

If we like it, we buy the vinyl. If we really like it, we also buy tickets for the concert, and at the show we buy lots of merch.

Fortunately I live in a part of the world where there are many great music venues within a few hours' drive, and the great shows just don't stop coming! We never pass up an opportunity for a road trip to see a great show. Sometimes we even make it to 2 shows a week.

For that reason, we are broke. But it's worth every penny.

THAT is what I call supporting the artist.

I shouldn't have to pay $15 bucks to find out that a CD is shit. I preview for free, then decide to purchase. And believe me, the house is full of purchased CDs, DVDs, and now tons of vinyl. We're proud of our collection! And we enjoy supporting the artists we love.

If we had to waste our money on shitty CDs just to find out they sucked, we wouldn't be able to afford the concerts and the merch and the road trips, to support the worthy artists!!

Does that make sense, RIAA?

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» RE: I steal music Posted by: lamar
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» NO SENSE WHATSOEVER Posted by: gellero
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A QUESTION FOR THE KNOW-IT-ALLS
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Oct 10, 2007 2:09 PM   
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I have thousands of vinyl, tapes & CDs which I PURCHASED.
If I copy something and send it to a friend in email, is THIS what the suits would sue me for?

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Record a song off the radio
Posted by: Landbaron on Oct 10, 2007 4:22 PM   
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I let a friend listen to it and he records it. What was wrong with those people on the jury? Why don't they ban all recording devices to the public or start heavily taxing the Internet and no more free radio, 'cos people record for free.... The people barely making ends meet will have to do without. On goes the war on poverty, the poor keep losing...

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let the cult die
Posted by: kenhymes on Oct 10, 2007 4:31 PM   
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I'm a pro musician who earns a living through performance and arranging, and I say screw the musicians along with the labels. Royalties are a way of avoiding the creation of new work, not an incentive to do so. The system is broken, deservedly so. The show business cult is dying, let it die. Who needs you to be famous? Nobody.

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» RE: let the cult die Posted by: Landbaron
File Sharing Should be legal
Posted by: Krain61 on Oct 10, 2007 4:54 PM   
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It's no different than me buying a pressure washer and letting you use it..I am not selling you that file but merly sharing it with you. It goes to show that we have no protection in this country for our rights! Once bought I can share it with others.
It's no different than me buying a cd and letting others use it.
""""And what about the guy who infringed on her Privacy"""
She should sue the hell out of them for invading her Privacy
If you can get millions for hot coffee being spilled or some dumby bought a RV and set cruise control and went in the back and sued because the dam thing didn't cruise without being sterred. lol

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It is so stealing.
Posted by: Amy27605 on Oct 10, 2007 7:51 PM   
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The few Jammie Thomas news stories I just looked at are as ambiguous as this piece and the successive comments, but it was my understanding that this was a civil action and the $220K is a damage award, not a fine. I do know that of the hundreds (or thousands?) of users targeted, all settled with the plaintiff out of court for a few hundred or a few thousand dollars; only Ms. Thomas chose to take her chances in court and she lost--correctly, in my opinion.

I'm not a copyright lawyer, but as a long-time subscriber to Writer's Digest magazine (which addresses this issue often) and a former corporate writer I am well-schooled in the basics. An idea is not copyrightable but as soon as that idea takes form it is automatically copyrighted to its creator; no forms need be filed, although doing so gives an artist more clout in the event of plagiarism or other infringement. So in answer to one poster, yes, his words in the post are owned by and copyrighted to him, mine to me, etc. Of course in this informal venue it would be ludicrous to sue or prosecute for plagiarism but, as a matter of courtesy, any borrowing of a post should be attributed.

Granted that with current technology most forms of artistic expression can be created, marketed, and sold independently, not every artist is willing or able to do so. He or she must rely on another party--publisher, record company, gallery, etc.--to handle the business end. A portion of the profits in all fairness belongs to this second party; the portion passed on to the artist is often called "royalties" and is no different from a wage, salary, or commision in that it's compensation for work done. It's fair to argue that perhaps the company takes a disproportionate share and the artist is shortchanged, but the artist will (or should) have a contract and knows what the deal is. Often for new artists, especially, a small royalty is the price of getting the art produced; in the publishing world, at least, success provides the leverage to negotiate higher royalties. When consumers reproduce the art for other than personal use, they ARE violating the law and stealing from the artist.

It isn't the same as lending a tool. You can, in fact, lend your CDs, DVDs, books, paintings--anything--to others with impunity. But if you could, and did, make a copy of your power sprayer and gave or sold it to another, that would also be illegal--it's called patent infringement and amounts to stealing from the patent-holder. Copying works of art to give away or sell does, in principle, deprive the artist of his or her rightful income, and legally it is irrelevant that the other person would not have bought the item anyway. It also doesn't matter if the artist is Madonna or Mick Jagger or Pavarotti--theft is theft whether you rob a millionaire or a pauper. And, of course, only the tiniest percentage of artists are rich and famous; the vast majority have to do something else for a living.

Namaste,
Amy.

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A SUPPORT Jammie Thomas FUND????
Posted by: artie on Oct 10, 2007 8:20 PM   
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Surely, someone out there with the technical skill could float a SUPPORT JT site, and help her "build" the 220 from contributions from the public????

The recording industry thinks they can make an example of the everyday consumer. Why not strike back by boycotting for two or three days a week for months, and force them by their losses "to pay" several millions???

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Free Trade???
Posted by: newtype_alpha on Oct 10, 2007 9:31 PM   
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The underlying logic supporting Laissez-faire capitalism is invariably the logic of those who stand to gain from it. In that sense, Free Trade is what happens when "dog eat dog" becomes the operating principle of the economy.

In simpler terms: think of the market as an aquarium. One day, the aquarium decides to keep all the animals in the same giant tank without any divisions between them. The tiger sharks, understandably, think this is a wonderful idea. The seals, for the exact same reasons, think this is a horrible idea. And once the policy is implemented, it's everything the tiger sharks thought it would be and more: they're in a big tank with the seals, the otters, the swordfish, the dolphins, and all the tasty sea creatures they can eat and there's nowhere for any of them to go, so they never have to hunt their food again. Paradise for the shark, hell for everyone else.

Then one day, the seals figure out to pick up rocks from the bottom of the tank and throw them at the sharks. Now when the sharks try to eat the seals, sometimes they end up with a mouthful of rocks. This angers the sharks, because they're hungry, and this grand experiment in Free Aquarium was supposed to benefit everyone (well, everyone who happens to be a shark) and the seals are cheating. So what do the sharks do? They go to the curator and have him remove all the rocks from the aquarium, so the seals will have nothing to throw at them to avoid being eaten.

That, my friends, is what Laissez-faire means to a neocon. We have "Free trade" agreements with most of the Western hemisphere that explicitly stack the deck to favor multinationals at the expense of locals. We have copyright laws that explicitly stack the deck to favor gigantic distributors at the expense of consumers (indeed, often at the expense of ARTISTS). We have a government that takes a dim view of "Wellfare," yet simultaneously hands out subsidies and cost-plus contracts like Halloween Candy. It's not hypocrisy, it's capitalism: the sharks have eaten the curator and now they're running the aquarium.

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» RE: Free Trade??? Posted by: Joe
Share and share alike
Posted by: pieandpeas on Oct 10, 2007 10:52 PM   
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First of all, let's be clear that this debate is not about protecting artistic or intellectual creativity, the 'freedom' to share with others or any similar high-minded ideal. These are notional red-herrings, mere distractions from the core issue which at its heart stems from nothing other than corporate greed.
This is the same industry that bribed DJs with sex and drugs to get their rock n roll records high in the charts, the same industry that ties up their 'artists' in one-sided contracts, the same industry that charges $10,000 to allow you to use the song "Happy Birthday" in a movie.
I wonder how much of this extraordinary settlement will be be shared with the writers of the songs that were "stolen' - no, I don't wonder at all, it will be zero, I'm sure.
Now, the little guy who fights back is labelled a thief - the word 'pirate' isn't be used any more, it's too romantic - and threatened with punishments out of all proportion to the nature of the offence. Sharing isn't theft, it doesn't deprive anyone of anything and more of us should be doing it - especially the record companies.

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Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: gellero on Oct 10, 2007 11:02 PM   
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RE above: the people who pay for the right to use 'Happy Birthday' ($10,000??) are more than willing to do so. No one forces them to use it. Why do you think that's too much?? Isn't the money going to the heirs of the ARTIST that created it??

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Recording Songs and Movies
Posted by: DataDoc on Oct 10, 2007 11:49 PM   
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In the past we have had tape decks and videotape to record songs, but media giants urged equipment manufacturers not to make CD burners that record directly. Most CD burners have to be used with a computer - the tracks have to be ripped, then reburned, which takes forever. DVD players, on the other hand, have been made to record directly from TV or cable, burning from direct feed.

Servers in non-aligned countries will defy the laws on this and offer TV, radio, music and movies for free or inexpensively unless the U.S. government threatens to attack.

Most media content is available on You Tube and dozens of other posting sites. Some exist outside of U.S copyright law. That means if you get a recording program, available free on the internet, you can download and record music, TV and movies.

So how is the government going to defend copyright? Only by targeting poor, single moms who like to listen to music and don't turn off file sharing. They'll make her sound like the biggest threat since Hitler, so they can get a cool quarter million for songs you can record free from the radio.

Will that scare the other file-sharers out there? All ten million of them? Sure they might be scared, but let's get real. When the content is so thoroughly available via the internet, through thousands of legal onshore (like YouTube) and semi-legal offshore sites, I don't think file sharing is going to stop anytime soon. Especially as the price for a new CD that costs a nickel to print goes up to sixteen dollars.

These industry honchos need a reality check. The rug is mostly pulled out already. One day our justice system will face up to the new realities.

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observer from afar
Posted by: davy on Oct 11, 2007 1:06 AM   
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Seems like "the little guy" is taking quite a beating these days. So glad I moved out, yup, saw it coming years ago. A friend said to me in an off hand way "it's all about the money" I looked into it and decided he was right and left. Man o Man what a great decision. Lawyers and suits, suits and lawyers. Combine that with "situational ethics" and, well, ya got today.

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RIAA Greed
Posted by: mincemeat on Oct 11, 2007 9:26 AM   
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This jury is insane, asinine, and ridiculous. 24 songs should be a total of $24, because that is the price itunes charges for 24 songs.

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» RE: IAA Greed Posted by: Misjah
Boycott the RIAA
Posted by: Luther Blissett on Oct 11, 2007 1:23 PM   
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There is so much great music out there, put out independently by the artists themselves or on labels not affiliated with the RIAA. Musicians can reach the whole world through the Internet; they can sell mp3s and tour to support themselves. Going to a show and buying a t-shirt generates more income for a band than buying a CD.

Find out which labels are affiliated with the RIAA:
http://www.riaaradar.com/search.asp

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US Copyright and Patent laws are just plain wrong...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 12, 2007 1:08 AM   
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...and this article explains why its so wrong better than anything I've read to date...
a well written article, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT LEAN AND CLEAN

I don't know this case but bet it didn't take into account the possibility of online identity theft and the planting of file sharing without the owner even being aware of the action... it happened to me and while I did discover it, I couldn't delete the masked files and had to replace my HD to prevent continuous reinfection across my network [and I considered myself savvy on such things at the time]

I was forced to reformat and rebuild my entire network and replace the infected HD to clear up a mess from what I now realize was bandwidth piracy.
IT DOES HAPPEN AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT HAPPENED HERE?

THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT I SEE WITH THIS LOBBY GROUPS ACTIONS IS;
THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM ACT CRIMINALIZE'S CONSUMERS WHEN THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT IS BROADCASTED [FREE OF CHARGE] ON THE AIRWAVES 24HRS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK!

ALSO;
SPECIAL INTEREST LOBBYISTS WROTE THIS LAW, AND THEN SOMEHOW MANAGED TO GET IT PASSED, NOW IT SEEMS THAT THIS SAME GROUP NOW PROSECUTES THEIR LAW AGAINST THE VERY SAME CONSUMERS OF A PRODUCT THEY SAY THEY WISH TO PROMOTE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

JUST WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW SUCH A TRAVESTY TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE? [OTHER MODELS WERE AVAILABLE FOR SCRUTINY]

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MOST OF YOU BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AT ALL!

Don't get me wrong, I believe in rewarding people for intuition and hard work, but the way these current laws are designed, is done in such a way as to protect middlemen and the other leeches of Corporate Amerika... when is enough, enough for these scumbags.

High tech has given more profit abilities to these leaches than most people realize, not the other way around which is what they want us to believe!

there "ARE" other copyright and patent law models to look at

so until they decide to take a serious second look at this "LAW" I say boycott them all

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Patent Laws, Copyrights, etc Create Monopolies
Posted by: Joe on Oct 12, 2007 8:26 AM   
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What happened to this woman is another example of why people should be for less government. Human beings brought great ideas to the table for thousands of years without patents and government protection why is needed now? Patents Laws, Copyrights etc are tools of the rich kill of competition.

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Utopia
Posted by: billfaster on Oct 12, 2007 10:38 PM   
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Free music, free movies, free healthcare, free college tuition, free retirement benefits and freely available high paying jobs. Yep, that's everyone's utopia. However, has any one of you considered how to pay for it all? How do you expect everyone to be handed a free ride based simply on their mere existence? At who's expense should this be paid for? What motivation would any company or individual have to rise above the status quo? Should suddenly the desire to maximize shareholder return and the desire to achieve personal success be stomped out, where then, would the needed tax base come from?

You can't have it both ways...

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» RE: Utopia Posted by: billfaster
Misjah
Posted by: Misjah on Oct 14, 2007 6:51 PM   
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I agree with all those who rationalize downloading music by saying that the RIAA and its ilk make billions. This does make it okay; when considering the damage against someone, one must consider how it affects the target. Because the CEOs and all those other billionaires are billionaire billionaires, the trivial amount lost by downloading shouldn't be considered. This same logic follows for other things - If someone kills a child, we must take into consideration how many children the mother has. If she has other children she is less of a victim. In fact, she shouldn't miss her dead child: She already has other children!

Here's what else we should do:

1. The oil companies make billions! We should download a tank of gas!

2. Best Buy made billions! We should copy a new LCD screen!

3. Construction companies make billions! We should rip a new house!

4. Hey you! Yah, you. Did you save any money last year? Perhaps people should come to your house and share your possessions. After all, you have more money than the average American and we've collectively decided that you have enough... in fact you have too much.

See. We can rationalize anything, at least in our minds. I didn't get an A on my test because the teacher didn't like me. It's a good thing that company didn't hire me because I didn't want to work there anyway. It's wrong to prohibit me from accessing copyrighted music for free because there are billionaires in the world.

Yeah.

Okay

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» RE: Misjah Posted by: lamar