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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

When the Rich Make Too Much: Is it Time for a Maximum Wage?

By Sam Pizzigati, Too Much: A Commentary on Excess and Inequality. Posted September 13, 2007.


One of the world's most honored public intellectuals, writing in a premiere policy journal, is calling for limits on income and fortunes.

Can our contemporary world be saved from the problems that ail us, from climate change and oil dependency, from AIDS and religious extremism, from poverty and inequality? Foreign Policy, the world's most prestigious global affairs journal, is tackling this weighty question head on, in a new issue that asks 21 of our earth's most thoughtful observers to suggest the "one solution that would make the world a better place."

That "one solution," suggests Howard Gardner, the Harvard-based psychologist whose widely acclaimed books on human intelligence have been translated into 26 languages, ought to be a cap on the income and wealth that any one individual can accumulate.

The United States needs an income cap, Gardner posits in the new Foreign Policy, that limits the amount of money a single individual can annually take home to no more than "100 times as much money as the average worker in a society earns in a year."

"If the average worker makes $40,000," Gardner proposes, "the top compensated individual may keep $4 million a year."

Gardner's Foreign Policy contribution also advocates a cap on wealth, proposing that "no individual should be allowed to accumulate an estate more than 50 times the allowed annual income."

If that allowed annual income were $4 million, then Gardner's proposal would allow no one, at death, to bequest a fortune greater than $200 million. Any individual wealth above that would have to "be contributed to charity or donated to the government."

What's driving Gardner, a psychologist, to an economic prescription?

"Most people in the United States cannot even envision a society that doesn't revolve around an untrammeled market," Gardner writes, noting the "widespread assumption," particularly among today's young people, "that the most accurate measure of success is how much money you have accumulated, indeed that general merit can best be gauged by one's net worth." These assumptions, says the Harvard psychologist, have nurtured a society where accumulation "has gone way too far," where a "hedge fund manager can take home a sum reminiscent of the gross national product of a small country."

A cap on income and riches, Gardner adds, would raise billions, even trillions, "to begin to solve the problems about which others are writing in this collection of solutions to save the world."

Attacks on Gardner's proposal are already emerging. One nationally syndicated critique -- from foundation president Clifford May -- labeled Gardner's antidote to inequality "preposterous." Gardner's Foreign Policy piece anticipates that sort of outraged reaction.

"To those who would scream 'foul' to such limits on personal wealth," Gardner notes, "I would remind them that just 50 years ago, this proposal would have seemed reasonable, even generous."

Sums up the Harvard scholar: "Our standards of 'enough' have become irrationally greedy. Were these proposals enacted, I predict that they would be accepted with amazing speed, and individuals would wonder why they had not always been in effect."

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Sam Pizzigati is the editor of the online weekly Too Much, and an associate fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies.



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That is the most inane idea I hav seen this month.
Posted by: Bart Thesc on Sep 13, 2007 10:35 AM   
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I just love it when academics come up with ideas that have no grounding in reality or logic. Is this one of the same people who is telling us that farmers will give up their crop waste to make ethanol or that aerodynamically bumblebees are unable to fly?

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» Whats good for them is not good for me! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Conservasauruses can't subtract Posted by: BlueTigress
» Work is good. Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» It is indeed inane... Posted by: spanskmand
yes! yes! yes!
Posted by: ryandake on Sep 13, 2007 10:58 AM   
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i think this is a fabulous idea. and to all the naysayers, please try to remember that this society is ours to shape and mold, and we may do so as we collectively wish. the future is ours to determine. a more equitable society is a fine place to start.

go gardner! you da man.

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» RE: yes! yes! yes! Posted by: mnymj
Why bother?
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Sep 13, 2007 11:07 AM   
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This proposal - no more than 4 million per year - would hit a lot more people than just hedge fund managers. Movie stars, professional sports players, entrepreneurs, even some farmers, doctors, real estate agents and others earn in that range. What's to stop many of these people from ensuring that they don't earn more than the 4 million yearly cap - ie, what's to stop them from producing less - in order to avoid the confiscatory taxation? I would. Why knock yourself out just to feed Leviathan?

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» RE: Why bother? Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Why bother? Posted by: gloryoski
» RE: Why bother? Posted by: Timba
» RE: Why bother? Posted by: plantsareneat
» RE: Why bother? Posted by: tap17x
» RE: Why bother? Posted by: CommonDreamer
American "capitalism" meltdown
Posted by: ssegallmd on Sep 13, 2007 11:12 AM   
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If there's anything that will send corporatists over the brink faster than asking them to help the least fortunate by paying taxes to support a social safety net, it's telling the most fortunate that there is such thing as enough money.

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Better idea?
Posted by: dwatson100 on Sep 13, 2007 11:26 AM   
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The wealth gap--wider now than during the Gilded Age of the late 1920's--is quickly eroding the middle class and has the potential to lead to a severe economic downturn or economic depression. One solution may be to cap the tax deductability of large executive salaries--in other words, a corporation could still choose to pay executives very high salaries, but taxpayers would not be asked to foot the bill.

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» RE: Better idea? Posted by: Sum Won
thekidde
Posted by: thekidde on Sep 13, 2007 12:05 PM   
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Mr. Gardner's proposal is far too generous. Being extremely familiar with the manufacturing sector of American business, I can state without qualification that the "leaders" of this industry are fools, idiots or just plain stupid when it comes to manufacturing efficiencies. Hundreds of billions of dollars are wasted because these obscenely compensated "good old boys" don't have clue and don't want to have a clue as to what must be done long-term to make their companies productive, competitive and efficient. Why don't they care? They get paid regardless and for short term sucking up to Wall Street, they can just close plants, destroy communities and their middle-class workers. Unions are complicit in that their leadership is not much different. I've heard it said many times that "the union protects the worst 5% of us", to which I reply "then take back your damn union and fire the dead wood. Then shove that in management's face until they get their act together."

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no no and no !
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Sep 13, 2007 3:41 PM   
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the american system must continue to be abused until the people gets *really* fed up and the heads start rolling 1789 style, any moderation would be detrimental.

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Critics ignoring this aspect
Posted by: Freethemind on Sep 13, 2007 9:13 PM   
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"The United States needs an income cap, Gardner posits in the new Foreign Policy, that limits the amount of money a single individual can annually take home to no more than "100 times as much money as the average worker in a society earns in a year."

"If the average worker makes $40,000," Gardner proposes, "the top compensated individual may keep $4 million a year.""

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It is 100x the amount the average earner brings home, which is RIGHT NOW 40,000. If the billions or trillions are skimmed off the top then logically that will be able to help the people on the bottom go to real schools, get better jobs and overall is likely to stimulate the average income of the nation so subsequently the greedy bastards on the top can take home more than 4m.

You want to work on crime in this society? Locking people up is obviously not doing it. People who have a good education can get good jobs and make adequate wages. The problem is many aren't given that opportunity.

You want to work on drugs? Refer to the 'rat park' study. When people have what they need in society... food, clothes, shelter, community, work then they don't do drugs. People who are akin to caged rats and don't have what they need to be happy turn to drugs. We can't lift people on the bottom out of drugs and poverty when so much of our countries assets are allocated to 1% of the nation.

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» RE: Critics ignoring this aspect Posted by: slbakercu@yahoo.com
» One question Posted by: Ayla87
it is mankind or personal profits
Posted by: richholland on Sep 14, 2007 4:11 AM   
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In the 1968 - 1979 period many socialistic primeministers in Western Europe advised a ratio of monthly net income;
lowest salary ; maximum income.
1000 - 5000 excess to be taxed at 70%. The rich man s taxsurplus was used for health insurance and education. Of course some peop
le said this would destroy Europe and the american capitalistic system was better.
To day we see the unconvenient truth in America. People all over the world see how a small group of superrich fascestoid families enslaved the wonderfull american people.

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The World's Problems are on our plates
Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Sep 14, 2007 4:14 AM   
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Sorry to be the barer of the most inconvenient truth of all, but I must inject some insight from Dan Piraro, progressive cartoonist and author of "The Three Little Pigs Buy the White House" and 14 other books.

He concisely (and accurately) sums up that it is what's on our plates that causing the biggest problems on the planet (starvation, global warming, rainforest destruction):

Enough plants and water to feed more than a dozen people is fed to livestock to product a single meal for a a meat-eating human. I'm no mathematician, but I'm guessing if we weren't breeding and feeding the world's 55 billion farm animals, we'd solve the human hunger crisis in approximately four-and-a-half minutes. Not to mention that animal agriculture accounts for the majority of water and soil degradation, contributes more to global warming than all transportation combined, and is responsible for virtually all of the rainforest destruction on the planet.

Read also:
The World's Problems on a Plate (Guardian, UK)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,717044,00.html

And don't forget:
“The costs of mass-producing cattle, poultry, pigs, sheep and fish to feed our growing population... include hugely inefficient use of freshwater and land, heavy pollution from livestock feces, rising rates of heart disease and other degenerative illnesses, and spreading destruction of the forests on which much of our planet’s life depends.”

-- TIME Magazine Visions of the 21st Century, “Will We Still Eat Meat?”

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"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." -- Tolstoy

“Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself.” -- Tolstoy

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USA = money
Posted by: mandiwrite on Sep 14, 2007 4:39 AM   
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The shocked, sneering reaction of some posters tells me plenty about their values. Is money all you care about, USA? In Denmark, people prefer not to be paid much more than their fellows, even if they're the boss, because the inequity makes them uncomfortable - they work for other reasons as well.
And damn right, the poster who spoke of the enormous taxes paid by the rich in the 1950s in your country. Didn't stop 'em, did it. Have any of you who dismiss socialism in such horrified terms ever actually considered what it means? I would love to live in a social democracy (please note, for the confused, I don't mean communism), where there was less inequality, more social safety nets. Sounds pretty good compared to your wasteland of vast inequities, little social caring and endless consumption...

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» RE: USA = money Posted by: CommonDreamer
jay1931
Posted by: jaycarrigan on Sep 14, 2007 4:59 AM   
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The US form of capitalism (called 'savauge' by the French) is especially nasty since the mid 1970s when corporations disavowed any responsibility to their workers aside from a subsistence wage, or to the communities in which they operate. Their sole obligation --by law-- is to their stockholders. Thus corporate directors are obliged to act like sociopaths and they do. With Nafta and other free trade agreements, American workers are put in competition with the lowest paid workers in the world. So much for American opportunity and the middle class.

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» Does "savauge" mean Posted by: marid
Dirty Words
Posted by: Sum Won on Sep 14, 2007 5:15 AM   
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Why take from the rich? How do we justify confiscation and then decry the loss of our civil liberties? Do we empower administrators to manage the wealth? Past performance would suggest this usually leads to a shrinking pie to be fought over by corrupt officials and criminal elements. As usual nothing of significance would trickle down to where its needed most.

The problem isn’t necessarily profit or its accumulation. They are proven tools for wealth creation. These are not dirty words. They have become so because we associate them with the misery and suffering that has become more evident in the face of obscene self-indulgence and the ostentatious display of individual wealth.

The real issues are cultural and structural.

As long as we worship at the temple of consumerism we cannot condemn some parishioners for becoming fanatical. If we want to change this behavior we need to develop a culture that confers status and privilege by different means.

There is no form of trickle down that will resolve misery and suffering. We need to make the structural reforms that address these issues before anything trickles up.

Some aspects of socialism should be utilized to insure our needs are met. The better aspects of capitalism should be encouraged to fulfill our wants. Combined, capitalism and socialism should resemble neither but result in a system where envy and pity have been mitigated sufficiently to insure co-operation by all towards the advancement of civilization.

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» RE: Dirty Words Posted by: YogiBear
Gardner is being generous
Posted by: robertkamper on Sep 14, 2007 5:24 AM   
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I have come to similar conclusions in considering these issues. I would have also included removing the cap from social security taxes (a straight % on all income), requiring stock to be held for a year before it can be sold for profit, a limit on wages of $1 million a year, a cap on inheritance of $1 million per heir, and a restriction on military spending so it is no more than the amount spent on the smallest average of national health, education, or infrastructure (transportation, energy, safety) per capita.
To paraphrase the old quotation: Anyone who is not a socialist at age 21 has no heart, anyone who is a capitalist at age 30 has no brain.

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» RE: Gardner is being generous Posted by: daniel1982
A guarantee of tyranny
Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 14, 2007 5:31 AM   
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If we ever wrest control of our government away from plutocrats, the first law we should pass is an income cap. Too much wealth in too few hands is a guarantee of tyranny.

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OMG! OH NOES! How could they possibly make it on $4 million per year?
Posted by: odanu on Sep 14, 2007 5:42 AM   
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Good grief. Enough with the whining. There is such a thing as "enough wealth", and even if people set their salaries so that they're not paying the overages back, they're still restructuring society so that the average (I would think modal would be a better construct, personally) wage continues to rise and thus lift the highest boats again. People who like making money will continue to make money. Only their methods will change. In order to retain more, they need to ensure that more people make more money. So that's where they put their efforts. Most people will work within the system given them.

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CVojak
Posted by: vojak on Sep 14, 2007 5:59 AM   
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Let's not forget that Thomas Jefferson sought to pass a bill that greatly limited how much money could be inherited because he feared the rise of an aristocracy in the US.

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appease the greed
Posted by: Quasar on Sep 14, 2007 6:05 AM   
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I like it except for the fact that 4 mil is not enough. I have a remedy however: In order to compare bulges of greed the most greedy can see how many times in a lifetime they can start with nothing and reach 4 mil. Warren Buffet became a millionaire 14 times for example. Now that's an accomplishment we can all get down on our knees and well. . . enjoy.

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Income and spending
Posted by: leerhok on Sep 14, 2007 6:27 AM   
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It's possible to earn 20,000 a year and get into financial trouble because you spend 20.500. Is it at all possible to earn 4 million a year and get into financial trouble by spending 4,05 millions? It seems pretty much like defining time into X eternities!

Besides there are many ways of getting immensely rich. Honesty is not among them! Grabbing what rightly belongs to or should belong to others sure is! All welfare cheaters combined damage society less than a fraction of a percentage of what a single Enron case does.

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» RE: Income and spending Posted by: tjg1984
Good grief. Some people looks at over-reaching, intrusive, ABUSIVE...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 14, 2007 6:50 AM   
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...governments and act to reverse those trends. Others, apparently, look at government intrusion and abuse as their model.

Sure. Expand DHS to include the Regulation of All Citizens Income Department. Have the NSA enforce the Income Cap, and put some TSA agents in front of everyone's house to shake them down for contraband cash.

Undoubtedly, by the time we've given up enough of our rights to allow the expansion of such perversions of the role of government, we'll be in numerous more wars and need a whole lot more blood and money than the measly thousands of lives and half-a-trillion greenbacks this one cost. Your benevolent Government will Need Your Excess Dollars.

So, before you go hog-wild on the whole, "Bush got away with it, so I can, too!" idea, you may want to check his approval ratings. People have become disenchanted with Big Brother-style governments.

Wait...on second thought, I encourage you to not hold back. Please reduce your Financial Success Cap to three twinkies and a roll of toilet paper, and mandate that people stand in lines to obtain vouchers for them.

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» Merits to your argument... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» On this we can agree. Posted by: mjabele
» RE: don't be a spoiler Posted by: Sum Won
Blasfemy
Posted by: mike_burns on Sep 14, 2007 6:58 AM   
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The Dollar is God. To tamper with free enterprise it to interfere with God's will. Wealth comes through the Dollar, by God's will. Power comes through the Dollar, By God's will. Salvation, Holy recognition, redemption, is purchased with the Dollar.
We have a lot of good ideas. But, the Dollar is sacred in America.

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I could live the rest of my life on 4 mil
Posted by: PopRox80 on Sep 14, 2007 7:05 AM   
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Although I hesitate to say we should give money to the government we have now, or to let them enforce laws I don't feel they have a right to, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to need that kind of money. One person, regardless of circumstance, doesn't need multiple dwellings, vehicles, or a mountain of other useless possessions.

A society based on consumerism, by definition, cannot last forever. And a people who define happiness by having "stuff" are missing out on just about everything else life has to offer. We're bereft of soul and compassion and plain logic. People existed (more happily, I might add) for eons before our current technological and soulless state, yet we think we have all the answers.

The problem with America is that we don't have a true free market. What we have now is a corporatocracy, where the elite buy our politicians and write laws to screw the common people. Not only that, but decades of propaganda have convinced even some middle or lower class idiots that they might be rich too some day, thus ensuring that these people will defend the powerful from the powerless. Tax writeoffs and corporate welfare are in direct opposition to a free market, and are becomingly increasingly more common for the huge corporations in our country. This is what needs to change, although it won't as long as we the people can't pull the wool from our eyes and go after the real threat to our freedom--the collusion of big business and government which can lead nowhere but fascism.

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In reference to empty conservasaurus backspittle
Posted by: zorro on Sep 14, 2007 7:09 AM   
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You have added nothing to this conversation. You keep spouting that same old tired line of brainwashing rhetoric how terrible 'socialism' is...ooh me god a socialist nation. Europe is socialist and they have plenty of small businesses and innovation. Oh yeah, and you are the 'liberal'--today's progressives cannot be called liberals--we've tried to explain this to you people before--it is 'free market' tyranny that is liberal, being that it has no regulation, no limits, no restriction. Progressives are the new conservatives with thier environmental conscience, fair trade, a call for ethical and moral values--like, believe it or not, that evil word--honesty--and freedom of culture and diversity--as the hypocritical confederate south once cried. Republicans are liberals, and progressives (not democrats) are conservatives. How does a small business compete with walmart friend? In fact ultra-rich people, corporations, and the industrial-military complex is the biggest 'welfare' program on the face of the earth. Ultra-subsidized!!!!!! There is no actual free market--it is rigged to maintain status quo and is designed to 'maintain' strict class divisions with only an illusion of upward mobility. It is the progressives, your so-called 'liberals' who uphold democracy, the American Dream, and the so-called American way--in the face of and constant threat of fascist tyrrany--this is the history of America! Patriots are progressives--those who dissent and question and protect the idea of the American dream. It is we who are responsible for revery single incident of civil rights.

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Creating a Maximum Wage won't fix the issue
Posted by: sugamretniw on Sep 14, 2007 7:08 AM   
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It seems to me that there is a fundamental assumption that needs to be re-evaluated: that we are all equal. Sure the constitution alledges that all "men" are created equal, which may or may not be true, but do all people remain equal throughout the course of their lives? This proposal, like many socialist theories makes the assumption that simply giving those "less fortunate" a bunch of money will make them more fortunate and there's no evidence to support that. Remember the adage, "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day but teach him to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime"? The real question is why is there inequality in the first place? Are wealthypeople responsible for poverty? If not, then why penalize wealthy people? People who are self-made tend to think significantly different than people who are not. Remember, thought preceeds action, if your actions are resulting in poverty then odds are it's because you think in a way that is poverty-affirming. I think the real resource that should be taken from the self-made rich and distributed to the poor is not their money but their ways of thinking. These knee-jerk pseudo scientifc social and economic suggestions seek to appeal to people's ego and hubris by implying that the wealthy did not earn their money and so should have it nationalized and given to the righteous poor. Professional athletes make a lot of money because they attract lots of fans who pay for tickets and memorabilia. All that money adds-up and so why shouldn't the superstar athlete who's responsible for that money share in it? Next people will be telling those with multiple degrees that they can't get another degree because there are people who never went to college and don't even have one degree. Maybe we should do that, maybe we should find people who have Phds and give them to people who never went college. Of course that's ridiculous, giving somone a diploma for knowledge they didn't earn is no more intelligent than giving them money for work they didn't do. You want a revolution? Mandatory college education. Mandatory money management classes.

M

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» RE: why not? Posted by: Sum Won
» RE: love of money Posted by: Sum Won
True Freedom
Posted by: craigandrew on Sep 14, 2007 7:13 AM   
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True freedom can only be experienced if you have all of the money, or none of the money. Anywhere in between is slavery. However, if we must live with this evil, it would be better to be a slave to a budget than to money - especially if we had the freedom to set our own budget. And, any good, comprehensive budget has a maximum income.

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Tough call
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 14, 2007 7:21 AM   
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Even as a libertarian, I still think it is a good idea. Perhaps because I'm libertarian-left! This issue trumps and transcends all political views, because greed is just one of those really destructive things. But its pointless to even consider this because it would just destroy the country. Despite how badly greedy people mess things up, some of them try to do good. So treating all of them unalaterally like this would be totally foolish. Not to mention it would turn the US into a 3rd world country! Of course if things get bad enough we might actually prefer to live in a 3rd world country. Cuba is starting to look more and more appealing with the way things are headed here. And that's just a sad fact lol. But that's more a spiritual issue than a political one.

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Good idea, but there needs to be an income-averaging provision
Posted by: janvdb on Sep 14, 2007 7:25 AM   
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Consider the old rancher who lives on $20,000 a year for 50 years, then one year sells his beautiful ranch for $35mn.

Happens a lot.

You gotta take this kind of situation into account.

Instead of simple annual income, how about the average of ones' lifetime income up to and including this past year cannot exceed $4mn a year?

There also need to be ways to stop the person who arranges with the Compensation Committee of their corporate board to pay themselves $4mn and then to pay their wife $4mn, too and then each of their 5 kids $4mn a year, too.

For their valuable contributions to the corporate mission, of course.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Freemarketfreaks don't have the RIGHT to destroy society
Posted by: comp sci grad on Sep 14, 2007 7:31 AM   
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Freemarket-freaks don't have the RIGHT to destroy society, but you'll never hear that from them. Face it, the argument that somehow having limits to their greed is some imposition on their freedom is a rationalization for their greed. Greed and the lust for power is a mental illness that has inflicted almost ALL of the strife and pain in the world's history. It's time society stop reinforcing those impulses and attach to them the censure they so richly merit. It' snot OK to rape other people and the planet so you feel good about yourself.

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The goal should remain, MORE, for those with less
Posted by: Mercurial Georgia on Sep 14, 2007 7:51 AM   
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....and not less, for those with more.

I am a socialist, with communist leaning. I'm also Chinese, and while I'm not WELL versed with modern history, specific events such as the Cultural Revolution, I have read much on.

Wealth itself isn't evil, resources are a good thing. What's bad, is that some people, have took their excess, AT THE EXPENSE of those with less. As long as the ones that have the least are still care for, and living well, I have no problem with a few living much better than us. Though in addition to those with the least, living well as well, those with more, should also PAY fairly, especially in their use of labour to generate more capital. The generation of capital, that should be regulated in terms of raising the minimum, so that the good employers that pays fairly, aren't out competed by the bad employers that pay poorly. Raising the minimum is a matter of treating our citizens better, it is a matter of fair business, it is also a matter of long term economical sense.

What we need instead of a salary cap, is a higher minimum wage, an actually secure social safety net, and higher taxes for corporations, CEOs, and those with the highest incomes, especially the ones in business. (As Karl Marx have noted, capital generates capital, so those with more, have more an edge to earning more. Therefore, I'm not worried about a higher tax for the rich, driving the rich out, since, once the rich is out, others WILL fill the vacuum left by them now that their prior competitors are not longer there.)

For this to work, we do require protectionism. Is your freedom to buy cheaply, more important than your ownership of your country? It's not for me.

I don't believe in a salary cap. During the Great Leap Forward and then the Cultural Revolution, instead of focusing on providing education to the peasantry, improving their living conditions, and making available to them culture that have been hogged by the bourgeois...the Reds, unfortunately, took the route of bashing the intellectuals, bashing those who have more wealth, and well, the country went to hell and millions of people died. On the note of revolution, stability is a key. Allende was democratically elected to Chile, but the problem was, the few super rich controls the resources already, and they deliberate interrupted the chain of supplies to the market to sabotage Allende. That isn't fair, but that is reality, before we upset the hostage taker holding the gun, let's make sure we have a back-up plan and that it works.

Insuring that those with the least, have more, in the scheme of resource distribution, will result in the current few that have the most, have the least, especially by ratio. It doesn't mean that those who have more, will be POOR, or even not rich anymore. I think, it's more important, that someone who starves now, have a roof and three meals a day, than for anyone who have the most right now, to have so much that they can't count it. I also think, once we raise the minimum, everyone will be richer. If not visible in numbers, when the minimum is higher, and there are no ghettos, when the minimum is higher, and The People is no longer bitter, than the ones with most, will no longer be afraid outside their gated communities, will have the freedom to move all through their ENTIRE country, eh? Let all our houses be the whole of our country.


For raising the minimum,
Mercurial Georgia, Canada

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» Why not both? Posted by: janvdb
» RE: Why not both? Posted by: Mercurial Georgia
Why not just do what the rest of the world does -- progressive taxation?
Posted by: janvdb on Sep 14, 2007 8:10 AM   
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It's tried and true. We know exactly how to do it. We have reams of examples of different regimes over the globe to study.

We had it once. Reagan got rid of it.

We've seen the result.

Let's just get it back. Maybe not to Swedish levels, but let's re-introduce some of the old progressivity back into the tax tables.

Duhhhhh!!

Jan VanDenBerg

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» Not lately, dude Posted by: jesme
Do We Forget that America is a Federal Constitutional Republic...
Posted by: acidicjazzhead on Sep 14, 2007 8:15 AM   
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and not a socialist nation. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Does anybody remember that?

The Constitution assures protection of our [god/nature/whatever] given rights. An individual has the right to make a much money as they want AND to do what they want with the money.

A maximum wage is by far the most asinine idea that I've heard in a long time.

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Why Bother?
Posted by: Axiom69 on Sep 14, 2007 8:25 AM   
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Why is anyone even wasting their time arguing about this? It's not going to happen. The rich won't allow it. Just one thing though. Are any of those that are in favor of this making millions? I didn't think so. It's easy to advocate for sharing the wealth when it's not your wealth being shared. Drop the cap to $50k and see how many people on here want to share THEIR wealth.

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