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College Students, Welcome to a Lifetime of Debt!

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Barbaraehrenreich.com. Posted September 11, 2007.


Colleges and universities today are turning teenagers into full-fledged citizens of our economy by introducing them to a lifetime of debt.
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Welcome to Fleece U., where our mission is to take feckless teenagers such as yourselves and turn them into full-fledged citizens of our economy, meaning, of course, debtors.

Many life-changing things will happen to you in the next four years. You will make lasting friends, including perhaps the love of your life. You will drink more than you ever thought possible and bitterly regret it in the morning. You will lose your virginity, if you happen to have brought it with you.

Our stellar faculty ardently hopes that along the way you will be amazed by calculus and charmed by the tipsy conversation between Alcibiades and that wily old radical, Socrates. There is also a general expectation that you that you will come out of here with some hazy notion of spelling and grammar.

But never forget that your real purpose here is to shake off the pointless freedom of youth and assume the burden of debt. To this end, we have just raised our tuition in an attempt to keep up with such top-of-the-line institutions as George Washington University (now weighing in at $39,210 a year, or $50,000 with room and board). You will find us also charging a plethora of additional fees -- a "student activities fee," a "technology fee," and an "incidentals fee." In addition, we will be experimenting this year with a "snow removal fee," a "lecture hall seat-use fee," and the installation of pay toilets in the dorms.

It would be short-sighted to resent these fees, since they provide valuable experience in bill-reading, and will come in handy when you confront your own personal monthly utility statements. At present we do not charge any additional tuition for this training in bill-reading, though we are considering adding a special "fee fee" in the future.

Another thing that will help ease you into the status of debtor is the price of your textbooks -- about $120 to $180 for a new, graffiti-free copy. True, this seems high when you could buy a hardcover of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows for $20 or less, but the aim is to teach you that a book is something to treasure (and, again, we charge no extra fee for this lesson.)

On average, you will graduate with a respectable-sized debt of $20,000, which will enable you to establish your all-important "credit history." If we have succeeded in our educational mission, you will be a first-rate debtor, capable of making minimum monthly payments much of the time. As fresh offers of credit cards and home equity loans pour in, you will beam with pride at your achievement.

Please note carefully that Fleece U degree cannot guarantee you a future income that will allow you to pay off your debts. Many of our most promising graduates are now, three or four years later, working for $8-12 an hour serving up lattés, counseling disturbed youth or creating business computer networks. They are set for a lifetime of debt, and we are proud that they first began to accrue it right here, on our lovely mock Oxfordian campus.

We don't have to remind you not to stigmatize debt as a condition associated with poverty. In 2006, for the first time, the average household's debt exceeded its income. By becoming a debtor, you will have entered the American mainstream! We have confidence that you will go on to mature effortlessly from college debt to car loan to mortgage to medical debts occasioned by the ever-growing gaps in coverage.

You will see the value of all this debt when the day comes, as it inevitably will, when you wake up and ask yourself, "Who am I and what am I doing here?" You will be tempted to take long walks, read the Upanishads, or try out for a new career as a trophy spouse.

In a crisis like this, you could easily spend thousands of dollars on life coaching and motivational DVDs. But you won't have to, because you'll have debt to keep you going. You will get up, shower, and toil faithfully in your cubicle year after year until, in the fullness of time, your family acquires the debt for your interment (at which point we trust you will have remembered Fleece U in your will.)

So think of debt as the great motivator. Think of it as our gift to you. Because for at least the next academic year, we are not even thinking of charging for it.

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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.



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Posted by: TT5 on Sep 11, 2007 12:34 AM   
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rats already skipping the sinking ship!

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Other options
Posted by: PirateJesus on Sep 11, 2007 12:53 AM   
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It seems some college students are going homeless to avoid debt.

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Universal Free Higher Education Now!
Posted by: Jkid4 on Sep 11, 2007 1:11 AM   
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I'm sure that the federal government can abolish government run college loans and use the funding from the loans with their pell grants to fund it.

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Textbook Prices
Posted by: supercrisp on Sep 11, 2007 2:22 AM   
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Why are universities blamed for textbook prices? I teach at a university, and most of us are at some pains to do what we can to take the sting out of textbook prices, but we have to ask our students to buy books. Campus bookstores sometimes tack on an extra 5-10%--but those have been free-marketized as concessions over which universities now have little control. But really the cost is coming from the publishers. And sometimes textbook prices aren't as suddenly spiking or unreasonable as is claimed. For example, the current edition of the Campbell Biology text sold in the 80s at around $70 is now $130. This is in keeping with a lot of other book prices. For that you get color on just about every one of its 1300+ pages--and up-to-date info. In my field, literature, you don't see such prices. But it is legitimate to ask if you really need the current edition of a biology textbook, but again I'm a lit teacher. The real tragedy, in my non-economist opinion, is the way Federal support for education has been gutted since the 80s. If we want universities to grow to accommodate rising enrollments and to have computers for students to use, and to keep tuition costs down, we're going to have to squeeze some bucks out of the government. You know, pony up at tax time.

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» RE: Textbooks are a TOTAL scam Posted by: magiquarian1969
» RE: Textbooks are a TOTAL scam Posted by: magiquarian1969
Welcome back kids...
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 11, 2007 2:24 AM   
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to the Soviet Union:)

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College Administrators are the Culprits
Posted by: socialpsych on Sep 11, 2007 3:29 AM   
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I teach at a state university and the administration (on the take from crooks like Sallie Mae) basically abolished admissions standards so that any student who can sign a financial aid form can get in. As a consequence, students whose high school GPAs and entrance test scores clearly predict that they will fail in college are allowed to "give it a shot." The unsurprising outcome is that after one or two semesters, these kids wash out and have $10,000 or $20,000 of debt to show for their ill-advised efforts. Their fiscal lives (which is to say, their LIVES) are screwed, probably forever. Go, State!

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Then There's Graduate School
Posted by: pdxstudent on Sep 11, 2007 4:34 AM   
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I haven't escaped college with absolutely no debt (under $4000), though that's because I've scrapped by almost entirely on State and Federal grants. Debt, however, is the reason that I will not go straight on to grad-school next year unless someone else is paying for it, which luckily is the case for many who get into their program of choice.

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the college book thingy....
Posted by: ellie on Sep 11, 2007 4:33 AM   
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also teach at a university... have gone on strike against book publishers... now, my students use what they call the 'clickable syllabus'... email it to them on the required university email system, all they have to do is click on the links and here we go right to official journal and other articles... additional readings are from on line books... drives the book vultures nuts when they send pounds of review books constantly hoping to bulldoze you back into the book buying mode... support the authors, but they get little if any cash for their own work....

now how about a raise for us profs who make less then our own student loan debt minimum payments just like our students???

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» The Heart of the Matter Posted by: socialpsych
Major in something pertinent
Posted by: redbird30328 on Sep 11, 2007 4:58 AM   
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This "problem" does not exist long-term for those students who pursue majors that are actually valued by employers such as engineering, finance, or accounting. A liberal arts education is a wonderful thing, but for those students whose circumstances require them to take on debt to complete their education, a major that is more likely to lead to seriously gainful employment is a more practical choice. After they have paid off their loans in a few years, they have the rest of their lives to become "educated." If one piles up a ton of debt pursuing a degree in anthropology, women's studies, etc, then one has no right to complain.

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» RE: Major in something pertinent Posted by: sterlingdave54
» RE: Torgo cries a river Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Major in something pertinent Posted by: redbird30328
» Pertinent schmertinent. Posted by: ezilla
» Comment with a Joke Posted by: pdxstudent
» Word Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Word Posted by: LindaB
» Better yet...Double major! Posted by: doctorsquared
Another theory
Posted by: anothername on Sep 11, 2007 5:41 AM   
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Writing on local school board elections I realized that schools are not about students. Schools are about societies. Suddenly, I started to think again.

Universities used to teach the elite class that would serve in government, provide medical care, and otherwise manage society. Now, universities are about business. Professors are expected to get corporate research grants to fund departments. Corporations were encouraged to send their employees back to school to fill seats that were empty between the baby boomers and the echo boomers. Companies trying to establish affirmative action guidelines started requiring college degrees as a sorting mechanism, whether the job really needed a college-educated person or merely someone with a brain. Police departments started requiring college degrees because they discovered that 22-year-olds are less reckless than 18-year-olds. How much debt are older students, returning to college after being laid off and needing to prove themselves again, carrying?

Think about the role of universities, private and public, and community colleges and vocational schools in society. Do not think about their role in providing a lifestyle for any given student. What has changed at Stanford since Leland Stanford started it as a no-tuition university open to both men and women? Is it now serving society by educating people, such as Pres. Herbert Hoover, or is it merely serving corporations and the individuals who find jobs with the companies?

Here’s another question for thought: Why is it when people hear that I write original theoretical socio-political philosophy, their first question tends to be an inquiry as to where I teach? We have become a society where we are not expected to think except within a scholastic environment.

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What now?
Posted by: rootsandruins on Sep 11, 2007 7:11 AM   
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I've recently graduated from a private engineering school with 92,000 dollars of debt. I either RA'd or lived at home to save money on living costs and bought used text books. The reality of this horrible situation that I was convinced would work out just fine is finally hitting me with full force and ridiculous monthly payments for 20 or more years. Getting a good education when your parents don't make enough money to help you, but make too much for you to get the necessary aid is getting harder and harder. Maybe I'll move to Canada for seven years until my statute of limitations wears out and I can start over with no debt after the apocalypse of 2012.

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» Stay at home Posted by: messedup
» RE: Stay at home Posted by: Trazom
Not everyone is interested in accounting and finance (thank god)
Posted by: NoKidding on Sep 11, 2007 7:18 AM   
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I don't want to live in a world full of engineers and MBAs. We must have the arts and social sciences if there is going to be any thing resembling culture and humanity left in this materialistic profit-driven world. We don't all have brains that are wired for math or the hard sciences; some have no interest in these subjects and are gifted in other areas.
signed,
a happy art history major class of 1998

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» civility Posted by: suprmark
Scary Stuff
Posted by: Wacre on Sep 11, 2007 7:44 AM   
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This type of thing really scares me because (besides that it is true) I am trying to get things set for going to graduate school in a year or so, and the idea of being buried by debt is a frightening one.

Currently the only debt I owe is about $250 on two credit cards (I paid off my student loans about three or four years ago), and to be honest even that bothers me somewhat, but that debt is of a manageable sort.

I find myself somewhat dissatisfied with my work, which is leading me toward graduate school. Luckily (as I understand it, at any rate) people that live in the District of Columbia–as I do–can attend many state schools at the cost of an in-state resident, so that should help me allay some of the debt.

I am estimating that I should have to spend no more than, at the top end, than $15 thousand a year for a college that I am interested in attending for graduate studies.

By no means a massive sum, but being that I have lived up to this point relatively debt-free, somewhat intimidating.

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Over priced and over rated!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 11, 2007 8:06 AM   
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$20,000 average debt after graduating?..seems low.. but assuming that is correct, consider $30,000 a year tuition for 4 years...$120,000 in total - that means that some poor parent came up with $100,000... maybe less if the child qualified for some student aid/work programs etc..

after putting all my kids through college, I suspect they would have been better off becoming plumbers considering what I just paid to one the other day - college is becoming over rated as well as over priced!

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» State Schools Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Over priced and over rated! Posted by: Conservasaurus
It's a Complicated Issue
Posted by: Incertus (Bradley) on Sep 11, 2007 8:39 AM   
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The idea that colleges are trying to "fleece" students is absurd, but massive student loan debt and the fact that students often have to work full-time jobs while going to college full-time is a hugeproblem. For a more detailed and serious look at this issue, I would recommend Jeffrey J. Williams's excellent article from last summer's Dissent, "Debt Education: Bad for the Young, Bad for America."

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» RE: It's a Complicated Issue Posted by: Incertus (Bradley)
Predatory finance, from subprimes to credit card to student loans
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 AM   
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Key fact: Bush's #1 donor is no longer Enron, but rather MBNA, the credit card company.

Student loan financiers are indeed out to fleece students. See MSNBC, College loan scandal ‘like peeling an onion’

"N.Y. attorney general: Corruption widespread; criminal charges possible"

What's going on in the public universities is that they've been taken over by corporate interests. The topic is very taboo, but there is at least one excellent book on the topic:University Inc: The Corporate Corruption of Higher Education Jennifer Washburn

This applies to research (all patents controlled by Big Pharma, Exxon, BP, etc.), education (forget about journalism, welcome to propaganda studies), loan arrangements (corporate finance in bed with studen loan officers), contracting practices (food services run by the same corps that have prison food contracts).

The examples are endless, and what's really astonishing is how respected university professors are going along with this. One of the most jaw-dropping things I've ever hear was noted 'Stanford environmentalist' Paul Erlich on Democracy Now the other day on Exxon's control of their "Global Climate and Energy Program":

PAUL EHRLICH: Well, let me say, first of all, I had nothing whatever to do with that program, so I can say something sort of neutral about it. I think that universities like Stanford simply have to take money from corporations if they’re going to get their research done. I also am absolutely certain -- I know the people who run the GCEP program very well at Stanford -- that there is no shaping of the research by the corporation. It wouldn’t be -- people would just throw whoever did it out at Stanford. The faculty wouldn't stand for it.

Sorry, that's BS. If you want to read the GCEP agreement, look here: http://gcep.stanford.edu/about/agreement.html Exxon and friends get final say over the direction of research. They control the 'final selection committee' - See http://gcep.stanford.edu/about/projectselectionprocess.html

Amy Goodman didn't do her homework on this one, but at least she covered the issue! Ehrlich is either a liar or a fool.

Well.. you get the picture. The loan scams are just the tip of a vast iceberg. It's like Lysenko in the Soviet Union - seriously. The corporate control of the press and academics is a precursor to totalitarianism.

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What I learned in college
Posted by: skaterokker on Sep 11, 2007 10:49 AM   
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As a college senior I have learned that if you graduate your either in debt or your family is rich, and you can sit still for long periods of time.

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Student Debt
Posted by: zutronius on Sep 11, 2007 12:52 PM   
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I went $20,000 (Cdn) into debt for my BA. I would never pay it off quickly working in Canada or North America. I'm heading to Korea or Japan to teach, that way I'll at least be able to pay it off sooner, have a small savings established, and travel still.

The American dream is a nightmare that masquerades as a dream.

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Student Loans are a scam
Posted by: christenxx on Sep 11, 2007 1:51 PM   
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When I was attending college and the small amount my grandpa left me dried up, my parents recommended I quit for a while until I could get my own student loans - my parents had just declared bankruptcy thanks to insurmountable medical bills. I waited until I was 23, which is the age in Florida when you are allowed to take out your own student loans without your parents as a co-signer. I then spent 6 years attending my local state school as a theater and English lit major; 12 credit hours a semester, waiting tables full time, and appearing in both college productions and local professional shows. I was told by my college's financial aid department that the loans would be easy and quick to repay, I would have a deferment until finishing grad school, and the payments when finished with school would be around $100 a month.
That was all lies.
My senior year I was told that financial aid would no longer be available to me, and I could not afford to pay for classes and still eat and pay rent, so I quit school. Luckily, I was able to find a steady job in my field, but it's for a non-profit company and the pay is not great. I also work on weekends at the bar where I've been employed for 4 1/2 years. I just got a letter from my financial aid lender telling me that my payments, which were past due even though I received no notification, were $747 per month, which is more than my rent, car payment, and insurance combined. I cannot find any help to refinance it, and the lenders will not accept a lower payment. So basically, I've been working my ass off for 10 years, I work 7 days a week, I can't afford to pay off my loans or continue with school, and I will be in debt the rest of my life. Hooray! I wish I had never gone to college - I'd probably be managing a restaurant and making fat money right now. I could have had a good time without the $55,000 debt!

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Supply and Demand
Posted by: auntiegrav on Sep 11, 2007 2:22 PM   
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As another post said, "Schools are about society" while another said "schools are about business; corporations have taken over".
As some stuffed shirt once said, "The business of America is Business."
The simple answer is that the society has decided that a credential is more important than your skills and attitude toward doing useful work. That credentialization of the job market has created an excess of demand for a 'degree', but no specific demand for usefulness. Until the 'market clears' on college and society, where the need for usefulness outweighs the want for fiat money from credentialed employment doing useless jobs, then there will be too many people willing to let colleges charge ridiculous prices for very little added value, and the banks are more than willing to put you in debt to fulfill your illusions of imagined success.
Most of the people who are in college shouldn't be there, whether teaching or studying. There are plenty of libraries and books in this country; we don't need to pay a System to tell us how to read any more. There is a need for serious academic pursuits, but the current state of affairs is mostly just affairs and booze and sports.

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Is this idea being noticed?
Posted by: Salaberry on Sep 11, 2007 9:41 PM   
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Princeton University abolished its loan program in 2001 on the principle that no-one should graduate from college in debt. The average grant to undergraduates receiving financial aid is now $31,000. I know - it's an elite school with a huge endowment but, hey, your government is spending $200,000 a minute in Iraq. Is anyone noticing?

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Priorities
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 11, 2007 10:40 PM   
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Are America's colleges and universities producing thinkers or have they become merely upscale trade schools? And whatever happened to campus unrest? Hmmmmmm, it appears that the lemmings bitch more about the cost of being led rather than the cost factored over a lifetime of fealty to upscale serfdom. A recent article asked whether Ivy League diplomas are worth the excessive cost of getting one? The question is the answer. Kurt Vonnegut was asked not long ago about his perception of the greatest threat to world peace and security...terrorism? No, its the Yale graduate with a "C" GPA. In a nation where "dumbing down" is lauded, intellectuals are derided and statesmanship is unheard of.....quaere-do da sheepskin mean a licka shit ana place but da boredroom? I doubts it, cuz tex massagin am da way o da day n f u don git it, u ain't shit! Gee, what would I know without my laptop, blackberry cell phone. Ipod, MP3 and video games? Oh, I'm so...you know...I mean...so not able to cope...college is so not cool and so not cheap...I mean really so not cheap. Well, at least there's reality TV as an alternative priority and all will be forgotten.

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» RE: Priorities Posted by: donl51
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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Sep 11, 2007 11:02 PM   
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wars fatten the elite, while education wakes up the masses.

Easy to understand why the ones in power -guess who they are- prefer to wage wars rather than invest in education.

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Glad I didn't have children
Posted by: donl51 on Sep 12, 2007 12:05 AM   
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In 1968 the G.I.bill started helping me out w/my college education, that used up i went to work to pay for an MA I did mostly on nights, thankfully when all said and done I owed nobody,today its a whole different ball game, is the education that much better? because I know that those that graduate sure as hell aren't making that much more and all the best jobs are being sent to India, another reason I'm glad I didn't have kids, if I did I'd send them to a tech. school to be a plumber, they're making the bucks and don't owe!....I'd certainly rethink my options unless you really like playing the odds ...then paying!

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young men. go west
Posted by: richholland on Sep 12, 2007 2:08 AM   
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Once upon a time the european and asian people longed to go to the USA, the land of brave and free.

In America they found poverty, but still if they should go to the western frontier their dreames came true.

In Europe and Asia nowadays many smart Americans work.
i.e MacDonalds Amsterdam pays an adult US$ 14,- as a minimum.
But also IT jobs avaiable.

What would happen to USA when thousands of young people leave, not as surpressors and soldiers but wanted as good working honest people?

Young men, Go East

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We need a nation-wide student union.
Posted by: toastwar on Sep 12, 2007 9:27 AM   
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Perhaps there is a space opening for a political movement of students, alumni, and supporters to demand the forgiveness of student debts. With ever-increasing tuition costs, cuts to federal subsidies, and the revelation of predatory lending to students it seems affordable education is an issue that a large segment of US society could mobilize around. Such a radical "student" union threatening to default on loan payments could leverage significant pressure on the loan industry.

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Gonzalo1939
Posted by: gonzalo1939 on Sep 12, 2007 10:30 AM   
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I'm slightly amused to hear baristas bemoan their enormous college debts. I'd like to ask them: So, did you go to State U. or a fancy private institution? If somebody has managed to accumulate $120,000+ in college debts, chances are they went to Smith, Amherst, Williams, Oberlin, etc.--in which case they have no one but themselves to blame. Am I heartless? As a graduate of excellent public institutions, and an employee of one now, my sympathies go to the people trying now to get through four years of public higher education, not the gilded "chosen ones." In the absence of public funding for state institutions, colleges have had to jack up their fees (tuition hikes being politically unpopular), and many working-class kids have a hard time making it through, especially in four successive years. Sorry, but I don't have much pity left over for your Harvard, Penn, or Stanford debt-ridden grads. You makes your choices and you takes the consequences.

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Unemployed CS majors abound
Posted by: comp sci grad on Sep 12, 2007 10:57 AM   
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The universities should just be abandoned by students as a way to get ahead in life. It's not about majoring in Creative Writing or Liberal Arts; I attended a very good, highly regarded school , majored in CS, worked in my field for 4 years, got well deserved raises and gained skills both hard and soft working 65-70 hour weeks.

Now I can't find a job, thanks to the rigging of the job market by the likes of Grigsby and Cohen and employer's ability to simply ignore resumes.
on this you tube video

Hundreds of thousands of CS majors like myself have done what I've done- go to interview after interview, fully qualified, and been rejected because thanks to the effectively UNLIMITED immigration provided by the H1B program, employers can have indentured servants rather than employees.
as documented here

The fact of the matter is- America is a scam, run by scam masters, standing for nothing, dedicated to funneling as much money into the hands of the corporate elite as possible through any means necessary, including economic warfare on its own people.

Don't tell me getting a job is about your work ethic or your skill set or any other *oddamn thing. I lived it. I watched my friends, equally saddled with "engineering debt" live it. Universities are scams. The workplace is a scam. Don't be scammed.

Just leave. Just leave America and let it rot in its own fetid filth. They need you to keep their corporations running, because, believe me, the "leaders" don't do anything approaching work. They're the "deciders", you're the "doers" and the "diers". They can't function without you, but that doesn't mean they'll ever stop scamming you out of your life and freedom through a little thing they like to call "permanent debt".

Hey did you hear the one about the scorpion and the frog? The scorpion wants to get across the river, so he asks the frog to let him ride on his back.

The frog says no way, I know you, you'll sting me.

The scorpion says, why would I do that? If I did that, we'd both die.

The frog is persuaded, and lets the scorpion on his back and they head across the river.

In the middle of the river, the scorpion stings the frog.

"Why did you sting me?" gasps the dying frog.

"Because I'm a scorpion", says the scorpion.

Get it? Even their own demise won't entice them to be any less greedy because it's the essence of what they are. They're criminals who want to commit crimes that 1) harm others while 2) benefiting themselves.

You Senators and Congresspeople, your deans and CEOs are are sociopaths who experience life in a way that's just completely alien to you- as a game in which you take from others and ruin other people's lives to advance yourself. This is the essence and core of what it means to feel alive for them. To have more, to see other people lessened and yourself lifted up.

You don't owe America anything. You sure don't owe it a lifetime of trying to pay off debt in a rigged "marketplace". Just leave. Get America out of your life and let the greedheads and coke snorters and Senators and Congressmen find someone to fight their wars and pay their bills . Good luck with that.

As for the university, it's about the hyper-inflation of tuition where virtually nothing has changed since the 19th century in terms of the "sage on the stage" lecture and listen style of teaching. That's because it's the lowest cost product they can churn out. Education innovation? Reduction in cost and increase in value through competition? Those are the coke -snorting free-market-freaks' mantras. Where are they in the real world? Nowhere.

Just leave.

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It doesn't matter what degree you have.
Posted by: Ayla87 on Sep 12, 2007 5:52 PM   
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What matters is what you take from the experience and classes you choose to participate in. Anyone can get a degree in business management. That doesn't gaurentee them a job much more than someone who majored in Art History or English. Even science math and engineering degrees are no ticket to success. Whats 'pertinent' now won't be pertinient in ten, or even five years for that matter. Our world is too interconnected and too fast paced for that to be the case anymore.

I was reading Popular Science a month or two ago and it had a list of 20 some odd degrees that you can get today, that didn't even exist 30 years ago. One of them was a degree I'm considering right now. (Neurobiology)

No one should be going to college and spending thousands of dollars to focus on just one subject. It doesn't matter what the major is. If you don't develop other skill areas, then the experience you'll gain won't be worth it in the end. Your no use to the rest of the world or yourself for that matter if all you understand is mathematical equations or different genres of art. People today need to be able to know finance, science, math, civics, history, literature, computer technology, foriegn language, et cetera... just to survive in the real world. You need more than that too. Everyone should at least gain a little work and leadership experience while in college. College students need to learn how to write a resume and how to behave in an interview. Its essential! If you don't take some of the time to learn this, whether on your own or in college, then your doing yourself a disservice, and you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of debt. And to be honest, I find it hard to feel sorry for people in that position. They wasted four of the best years of thier lives, indulging on one thing. Thats gluttonous in my opinion.

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Take a year to think about it first
Posted by: Aleksonder on Sep 16, 2007 7:58 PM   
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Why rush into any commitments? Are you even sure about what you would like to study? Perhaps a year of finding yourself is in order. Now is the time to journey and explore new horizons before settling into a rigid routine. Choose to travel and/or work in an area that interests you and think about your options. Within 6 months to a year, you'll be better prepared to make an intelligent decision. Enjoy the journey!

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