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Hey Dude, Where's My Vacation?

By David Moberg, In These Times. Posted June 23, 2007.


America is the richest country in the world -- so why does this country deny its workers mandated paid vacations and sick days?
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Last year Mary Lou Eckart took her first vacation in five years, a trip from her home in Decatur, Ill., to see her grandchildren in Florida. But the Illinois state government, which pays her to care for a severely disabled teenage girl, provides her no paid vacation time. So Eckart took the girl -- and her work -- with her.

She faces a similar bind if she gets sick. "I just had an incident two weeks ago," she says. "I had an inner ear infection that I didn't know about, and I passed out. My 17-year-old daughter covered for me while I recovered. I get no paid vacation, no time off, no sick leave. But if they put these clients in a nursing home, I know that is very expensive. I'd love to have a vacation. I'd love to be able to get away. I'd love to have someone fill in for me. I feel like we deserve more than what we're getting."

Eckart's story is all too common: Nearly one-fourth of American workers have no paid vacation or holidays, according to a recent study from the D.C.-based Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), and nearly half of all private sector workers have no paid sick days. But if Eckart were living in any other industrialized country, she would be legally guaranteed at least two weeks paid vacation and -- in 136 countries -- from seven to more than 30 paid sick days. The United States is the only rich country that does not mandate paid vacations and paid sick days, and Americans who are afforded such benefits enjoy far less time off than workers in other wealthy nations.

Americans now work more every year, on average, than workers in any other industrialized country (except for a virtual tie with New Zealand). With women working longer hours each year, the average annual work time for a married couple is growing steadily, and family time -- including the crucial bonding experience of vacations -- has suffered. Full-time workers in much of Europe typically take seven to eight weeks of vacation and holidays each year -- that's double the American average for full-time workers.

Overall, the average private sector worker in the United States gets about nine paid vacation days and six paid holidays each year. Low-paid, part-time or small-business workers typically get far fewer, sometimes none. The same holds for paid sick leave: 72 percent of the highest-paid quarter of private sector workers get paid sick days compared to only 21 percent of workers in the lowest-paid quarter.

Intercontinental disparity

Why do workers in other rich countries have more paid time off? Mainly because laws demand employers provide it. The European Union requires its members to set a minimum standard of four weeks paid vacation (covering part-time workers as well). Finland and France require six weeks paid vacation, plus additional paid holidays.

Most countries require workers to take the time off and employers to give them vacation at convenient times. Some governments even require employers to pay bonuses so workers can afford to do more than sit at home on vacation. On top of that, unions in Europe and other rich industrialized countries -- whose contracts cover up to 90 percent of the workforce -- typically negotiate additional time off. Meanwhile, the standard workweek is slightly shorter in many European countries, and workers retire earlier with better public pensions.

Until the early '70s, European and American workers logged similar hours. But the pattern then drastically diverged, with Europeans getting more vacation time, around the same time that U.S. income inequality began growing. In the United States, corporations gained the upper hand against workers and their declining unions, and the Democratic Party started shifting away from working class concerns.

In Europe, stronger unions and left political parties pushed for shorter work hours. In some cases, as jobs were lost when traditional industries restructured or work was outsourced, unions saw reduced work time as a way to share work.

But more often, unions were continuing the battle to share wealth in the form of more leisure, which had started a century earlier with the movement for an eight-hour day -- the goal of Chicago protestors in May, 1886, that ended in the Haymarket Massacre, repression of the labor movement, and creation of May 1 as the international workers' holiday.

The difference in work hours between the United States and most industrial countries "is exactly a manifestation of the same forces driving broader inequality," says CEPR economist John Schmitt, pointing to deterioration of the minimum wage, pensions, public services, health insurance and wages under pressure from globalization, deregulation, privatization and attacks on unions. "Workers haven't been able to translate higher productivity gains into higher pay or benefits, and they've been unable to address the time crunch."

"People in the United States don't even understand what could be possible on this issue [of paid time off]," Schmitt says. "This is one of the most important ideological victories of the right in the last 30 years -- to persuade us we aren't rich enough to treat workers well. We're incredibly rich, getting richer every year, and we have plenty of resources to pay adequate wages, pensions, health insurance and vacations, but we've chosen to give that money to the top five percent."

European and other industrialized countries have divided their growing ability to produce differently. For example, Europe has nearly caught up with -- and many countries have pulled ahead of -- the United States in labor productivity (the output from each hour of work), the key measure of an economy's potential.

In recent years, however, American workers have rapidly increased the amount of goods and services they produce each year, in comparison to Europe. These two measurements have largely diverged because Europeans have been enjoying more time away from the job, just as they've been enjoying a more egalitarian society.

According to Harvard economist Alberto Alesina, Europeans are happier, and have less stress and insecurity, which is good for health and longevity. Studies in the United States, for example, indicate that taking vacations cuts in half the risk of heart attacks for men. Longer, mandated vacations haven't undercut the competitiveness of other rich countries, and there's evidence that they increase labor productivity.

Plus, recent increases in the U.S. gross domestic product haven't significantly helped most Americans: The super-rich have captured most of the income gains.

An accurate calculation of the gross domestic product -- subtracting such costs as crime, environmental depredations, militarism and declining social trust -- would actually show that growth in economic output has brought few, if any, real gains in welfare for American society. Indeed, CEPR economists David Rosnick and Mark Weisbrot argue that Europe's shorter work hours help the environment by reducing energy consumption and carbon emissions.

Taking back time

Most Americans would be better off with more paid vacation and leave, but inequality, insecurity and the competitive rat race drives people to work even harder, often just to keep their heads above water. It's very difficult for individuals to demand more time, even if the limited polling available suggests it would be popular.

Major gains will only come from an organized movement and changed laws. One organization, Take Back Your Time, founded by writer and documentary filmmaker John de Graaf, is trying to persuade presidential candidates to support its proposal for mandating three weeks of paid vacation for all workers. "I think the political figure who would pick up on this issue would find great resonance," De Graaf says, but so far nobody has.

At this point, more modest proposals have a better chance to succeed. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) have introduced the Healthy Families Act, which would guarantee seven days of paid leave for all workers to deal with their own or a family member's illness. Beyond the obvious help to the individuals who need care, such legislation would help businesses economically.

Rather than putting in an unproductive day at work spreading communicable diseases (or sending their sick child to spread illness at a child care center), workers could just stay at home, and it would reduce the employee turnover that results from workers taking off unauthorized, unpaid sick days.

Five states have mandatory temporary disability insurance programs to cover income losses from short illnesses, and last November, San Francisco voters approved the first mandated paid sick days in the United States. The Working Families Party in New York is now campaigning for paid leave for new parents and adults caring for ailing relatives, a protection California passed in 2004 (thus strengthening the unpaid family and medical leave federal law provides).

Mandated paid sick days would help workers like Elnora Collins, a home care worker in Chicago. "If you get sick, you go to work sick. If you show up for work, you endanger your patients. If you don't show up for work, you get no pay. I recently lost a whole day's pay, because I ended up in a hospital for an overnight stay. It was an anxiety attack, like a heart attack. It's very frightening. And then, when you look at that paycheck, you really cry."

Compare the work time and leisure in the United States to that in other rich countries, and we all have good reason to share in her tears.



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My Job
Posted by: jwc on Jun 23, 2007 1:52 AM   
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Summers off, winter and spring breaks...This is one of the things I love about being a teacher :)

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That's one of the reasons I moved to Europe...
Posted by: helgerry on Jun 23, 2007 2:10 AM   
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That's one of the reasons I moved to Europe 7 years ago (also my wife is Dutch) and never looked back. Living and working in Amsterdam is not paradise on Earth but compared to life in the good ol' USA: well, how about 6 weeks paid holidays plus a few more national holidays and some sick days? By law, your employer has to give you a vacation bonus (equivalent to your monthly salary) for the month of May just in time for the start of the summer vacation period.
I got an extra 139 euros per month to cover my travel costs to and from work. What I pay for full coverage medical and dental insurance for me and my family is peanuts compared to what I used to pay in the States.
Very low crime rate (I don't need a gun here)... And yes I pay more taxes in the Netherlands but my quality of life is undoubtedly better... As far as the US being the richest society in the world, you have to wonder at what cost (unless you're in the top wealthiest bracket).

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» Language barrier Posted by: ateo
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» Language not a problem. Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» It is not very simple. Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» Is it all it seems to be! Posted by: Conservasaurus
I love Holland!
Posted by: Wish on Jun 23, 2007 3:34 AM   
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First, wehre does the statement come from, that the US of A is the richest country in the world? If you look at how the wealth is distributed, it doesn't fare batter than some third world country, where an elite is super rich and the masses can barely manage.
Perhaps it's not in absolutes that way, but the relative comparison stands.

On a lighter note: I love Holland!
We enjoy our vacation time. Indeed it makes more relax, happier people. Which in turn gives a more efficient and happier and healthier workforce.
By law we have a minimal number of PAID vacationdays. I'm not quite sure of the number, but I believe it leaves an employee with 4 weeks vacationtime each year. (I myself have about 5.5 weeks a year).

Live is not about just working.
Live is about living!
Work should not be the end of all means.
There is life outside work.

I am aware that due to grossly underpaid jobs, many people just HAVE to workworkwork. To only make ends meet, if even that is possible. Which is so sad.
"The richest country in the world", huh? When was the last time the US of A looked into a mirror?
"The richest country in the world"...Perhaps on some high level there's a lot of money floating around, but if you go deeper, that same US of A is one of the poorest nations around.
"God bless America"?? Yeah, just keep saying and singing it, cause you really need it.
Until you finally find that it all has to come from within, from yourself. That the changes have to come from within the society, that in itself is rotten as hell. Step aside from that false pride for a change.

"Freedom" and "democracy" and everything else starts right at home, you know. And are more than hollow empty words abused by politicians in propaganda scams...

Now, where to go for vacation...??!

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» RE: I love Holland! Posted by: nefarious_snark
» RE: I love Holland! Posted by: tjg1984
edith edith where are you
Posted by: richholland on Jun 23, 2007 3:59 AM   
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it seems to me that the comments came from people who deserted America?????

how many americans read alternet.org????

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» I am another one Posted by: l_m_n
Slavin Away
Posted by: lynned2002 on Jun 23, 2007 5:15 AM   
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Since graduating in 1993 with my BSME I have had exactly one two week vacation. I was so wiped out I just sat the entire time. Paid vacation is a joke because they include sick leave too. So when the kids get sick, or you get sick, there goes the vacation. By the time I did get the vacation time saved up it was always too "busy" to take time off. It's the American way.

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A matter of national leadership.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 23, 2007 5:58 AM   
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I saw a TV clip recently of a prominent politician at a town hall meeting being questioned by a woman in the audience. Obviously distressed, she compained about working three jobs at once to make ends meet.

With a smiling smirk, the politician remarked flippantly, “Fantastic -- the American way of life!”

Bu now, I’m sure you know who made the caustic comment. That’s right. George W. Bush.

When a U.S. president expresses undisguised indifference for impoverished Americans, then even the most optimistic citizens will lose faith in our democracy -- what little there is left.

I hate to end this post on a sour note, but I see no relief in sight for hard-working Americans in terms of vacation time and sick leave -- especially if Dub-ya’s treasonous immigration bill passes through Congress. But then, that’s another AlterNet subject.

Try to have a good day.

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Hey Dude
Posted by: kmart35 on Jun 23, 2007 6:28 AM   
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I think this article is slightly off topic on what's really going on in America. I think my husband is probably more typical of the American job. He gets 5 weeks vacation every year. However, for example, for the past 5 months he has been working 2 jobs. His boss's job when his boss left, then when his new boss came in, a supervisor left and he was told he had to do that job in addition to his own. (Before that there was a new governor and he wasn't supposed to take a vacation then either). So he is about to lose a month of vacation time in a month since he has so much extra he is never able to use. Even if he ever was able to get a week of vacation which he is still hoping to do by the end of the year, he will probably still have his Blackberry and cell and they will be calling him. He technically gets 5 weeks of vacation every year, but then he is never actually able to use it b/c he is working 2 jobs or there are constant "emergencies" that have to be dealt with. And unfortunately he doesn't get the pay for it either because there is a limit to how much you can have "banked" & he is at that limit so he loses it at the end of each year. I have a feeling he is probably the typical American; they supposedly get vacation but then are not really able to take it or would get fired!

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» RE: Hey Dude Posted by: VZEQICVA
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Ye
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 23, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Richest nation in the world with a supposedly growing economy.

No universal health care. Wages have stayed flat for most for a decade or more. Benefits are disappearing faster than all the tainted foods we are running into these days.

Thats because all discussion of economy is now discussion of the economy of the wealthy and of corporations. those of us who do not fall into those two categories.. you know... over 90 percent of the populace.

This nation no longer gives a shit about anyone who isn't wealthy. This is no longer a nation for, by, or of its people.

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German labor union loses strike, workers get longer hours, less pay
Posted by: sausage on Jun 23, 2007 6:51 AM   
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Working conditions have taken a turn for the worse in Germany lately, at least for one union's workers.

From the Spiegel.de, June 21, 2007 online English-language edition:
"Germany's largest customer-service union lost a dramatic showdown with Deutsche Telekom on Wednesday, after a month-and-a-half-long strike intended to shore up the union's clout in the fast-changing field of telecommunications. About 50,000 employees at Deutsche Telekom will have to accept a longer work week -- 38 hours, instead of 34 -- and the salaries of 30,000 of them will be shaved about 6.5 percent over the next three and a half years.

"The deal is significant because Telekom used to be a government monopoly, and the union Ver.di expected support from Germany's Social Democrats. The German government still owns about a third of Deutsche Telekom, but during the strike Social Democratic leaders released only a bland statement saying the two sides should work things out for themselves."

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service industries the worst
Posted by: somegirl on Jun 23, 2007 7:28 AM   
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i started working as a chef in 1983. i have had all of 2 jobs (out of lots, because chefs move around alot) with paid vacation. i've had one with benefits but only because it was an institutional job, not fine dining. sick days at a restaurant? hahahahahaha. i had a friend who thought it was immoral for me to work when i was sick and i said it was immoral for me to have to!

my boyfriend, on the other hand, works for a huge corp. and when he was negotiating for his current job, he got an extra week of vacation as part of his package. i doubt he will ever use it. he was supposed to be able to get one week of it last winter - no go. he travels alot and ends up stuck out of town working at least one weekend a month. he's supposed to get comp time. the roundtrip ends up being equal to a days work, but that doesn't count either - just the actual work hours. but i don't think he'll ever get the time anyway. this is a man in his midfifties who often has to work 2 weeks straight with no time off. he's just so grateful to have an IT job at his age, he doesn't demand it. i'm sure there are millions like him.

of course we both make less than we did pre-bushco. hell, i have trouble finding work that pays as much as i made 20 years ago - NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LOVE COOKING, DON'T BECOME A CHEF!!!

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More holidays = more tourism = stronger economy
Posted by: SayBlade on Jun 23, 2007 7:57 AM   
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If people have more holidays, they have more time to go places. Six weeks holidays? What are you going to do with that time? Go see the other side of the country, visit relatives in another province, state or another country, perhaps? Maybe your relatives could come and visit you and they will drop their money in your local tourist places. Keep the money flowing through the economy.

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Very good for health!
Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 23, 2007 8:08 AM   
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I find it interesting that when the powers that be berate Americans for obesity and the diabetes epidemic, no one ever mentions that overwork and lack of sleep has been associated with obesity, diabetes, heart disease and many other diseases. Yet no one ever suggests longer vacations and more leisure time. I honestly think that that top 5% feels the rest of us exist for their benefit. That expains why it is o.k. for us to kill ourselves in the process of making them a $, but it is obscene if we ourselves get any pleasure out of our own bodies along the way. It is almost like the army that can expose soldiers to any number of hazards, yet if they go to the beach on leave and get a sun burn that affects their performance they can be disciplined. Then again, if Americans had more leisure time, perhaps they would..gasp.. read, or become involved in the political process and learn the extent to which the U.S. had gone downhill.

"Definition of work: Anything that makes the world a better place!" Anonymous

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Running Scared
Posted by: schetikos on Jun 23, 2007 8:40 AM   
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The response is simple, but filled with many complexities that deal with the type of work people do, and the perception of value in the work place. Thus, people run scared at work. This is why we often take calls, attend "quick" conference calls, check e-mail, and so forth. We are running scared and the irony is, if you are confident and don't call in, check email, people will question your relevance or value.

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» RE: unning Scared Posted by: VZEQICVA
I love not working!!!
Posted by: nicoandcasey on Jun 23, 2007 8:47 AM   
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I think allowing workers to have a guaranteed vacation increases productivity as workers have something to look forward to. How many Americans are running on fumes out there, past the point of burnout. Let's see... can't take time off because no vacation time and can't get sick because a trip to the hospital will set you back financially especially if your insurance sucks more than most. Oh well better keep taking vitamins I guess.

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paid vacation is not a right
Posted by: AC on Jun 23, 2007 8:51 AM   
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I am not sure whether this will even get posted. Nazi, socialist and communist sites like this one tend to limit the views that can be expressed. I will keep my comment short so that if the moderator does delete it, I won't be wasting my time.

The reason the government doesn't require paid vacation is because that isn't the government's job in a democracy or republic. If you would like these kinds of rights, they are offered in countries with socialist governments.

In a the US, the original purpose of the government and economic system was to establish a government where the people and the market dictate the needs of society while the government protected people on a very limited basis.

As soon as the role of government moves from protecting to providing, it becomes a different kind of government.

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» Ed Brown needs your help Posted by: eddie torres
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What A Bunch Of Whiners.
Posted by: dean on Jun 23, 2007 10:40 AM   
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What a bunch of whiners. You sit around and wait for someone else to furnish you a job and vacation. So far our country is not yet Socialist, but we are working on it. After high school in 1930, I worked for a company for twe weeks. I saw that working for someone else wouldn't hack it. I MADE A DEAL WITH MY FATHER TO GROW VEGGIES AND PEDDLE THEM TO THE TOWN people. I did small repair jobs.I worked my way through college, spent forty-two months in the military in World War two, completed my fourth year of college and practiced a profession for 41 years. I saved 10% of every peney I ever made. There was a beer joint that I passed about 2 or 3 times a day. At first I put 10 cents later raised to a dollar in my saving jar for each car parked there. when I went by. I never used alchol myseelf. When I had saved $100.00 , I put it into mutual funds. Now, at age 93, I live well as I always have. I have never depended on anyone else for anything. When I pass away,my children will get the corpus of these mutual funds as L am living on about one-third of the earnings. If I want to buy a car or go to the Orient on vacation, I don't hsve to stop and figure how to pay for it.

The reason you whiners are bellyaching for someone else to feed you,furnish you with medical care and pay for your vacations is because of bad decisions you made years ago.

The richer get richer and the poor get poorer because of the decisions they each make today. Its not too late to start taking care of yourself. Why brother, Hillary will take care of you.

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Think about it
Posted by: Knowmad on Jun 23, 2007 11:11 AM   
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What's really astonishing, to me, is that you Americans still conduct business this way, even though it's well-known that a well-served (benefits, et al), respected employee is always more satisfied and content, and a more satisfied and content employee is always a more productive employee. I've been aware of this since university in the seventies, as has almost everyone I've ever worked with. It is pretty well a given MO for any successful enterprise here in Canada; there are probably some exceptions, though I'm not aware of any.

The thing Americans have to deal with, I think, is their totally out of proportion worship of money - and its supposed inherent power and prestige. To ignore a potential win-win situation (treating employees better thereby making them more productive) and instead force them to follow a tyrannical, thirties-type business model to gain the same - or likely less - productivity, is insane. Yet all to often it seems to be the preferred way to do business. Of course, the multi-m/billionaire corporate management parasites are doing just fine; and their workers are so busy just trying to stay afloat that they simply don't have the time or energy to complain or revolt.

I really don't believe any self-respecting 'boss' would consciously choose this mode. It may be that they're so blinded by the traditional superior/inferior, follow-orders-and-shut-up, my-way-or-the-highway mode that they simply fall into the tradition, rather than make the effort to try to change things.

It's kind of like the way many of you Americans treat your political situation lately: Ignore or allow the obvious corruption, abuse and lawlessness and . . . what? It'll all go away and everything will be fine?

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Not too bad off.
Posted by: Melvin on Jun 23, 2007 1:43 PM   
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Did George W Bush take "extended" vacations since gaining his new "job". He gets good healthcare too at the expense of the taxpayer!!

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» RE: Not too bad off. Posted by: chrisp.
What a bunch of whiners . . .
Posted by: slydad on Jun 23, 2007 1:53 PM   
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Wake up people! We're a country at full employment. Actually, we're hurting to find good employable workers and that bodes well for benefits and increased pay. If you haven't gotten a raise lately, you're either working for a company that is going under or you aren't doing anything to get a raise. If you don't get paid vacations and insurance, then you're too lazy to go out there and find an employer who will give you what you're worth.

A small caveat to all that is the illegal immigrants that are in this country are kind of hurting job benefit haggling in some markets. But over all, it's still a robust economy and no one has a legitimate reason to complain about the benefits you receive from your employer.

If you are a productive employee, you can write your own ticket and that's a fact that I could prove to anyone. If you're lazy and expect a hand out, then forget it. Business owners have to have a good reason to want to give you these things.

To all you idiots who say it's better in Europe or Canada because of universal health care and mandated employee vacations and such, all I can say is c'est la vie. I think you settled. I'd much rather be here in the US where the medical facilities are better and you can actually get good medical attention. I would also rather be here because the business opportunities are much more plentiful.

The thing that you are missing is that Capitalism always does better with less government and less socialism. We have too much socialism in this country, the way I see it, but it's still not as bad as Europe or Canada.

Bottom line is that it is wrong for you people to think that it is the government who has to mandate that employers do things for you. Get off your collective lazy asses and get out there and make some money. It's there for the taking.

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» I guess I see your point. Posted by: slydad
» Just got back from one. Posted by: slydad
» I've seen the stats. Posted by: slydad
» You're sort of right Posted by: slydad
» RE: What a bunch of whiners . . . Posted by: InsertNameHere
» Question to Slydad...do you actually WORK? Posted by: Progressive Citizen
in Canada, we *get* the vacations...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 23, 2007 4:05 PM   
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-but either
...we can't afford to take it...
OR
...we're petrified that if we take longer than 4 days... some Mark Burnett-esque co-worker has cut us off @ the knees.
so much for ethics & community...
If we weren't individually committed to mountains of work... we could probably relax... long enough to know we've been had...
its like the US & Canadian unions: we only ACT like we're adversaries, because BigCorp employers TELL us we have to compete against each other across a Border.
If we stood firm & for the Rights for ALL peoples of the Americas, we wouldn't reap the crap we sow...

BlueBerry Pick'n
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"

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The Federal Government Wants ....
Posted by: Shey on Jun 23, 2007 6:56 PM   
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...... not only to keep all the wealth in the hands of the tiny minority of power elite, but also to keep us too busy to stay informed about how the US is busy trying to take over the world, while quietly taking constitutional rights away from it's own citizens. Working homeless are the greatest victory of the fascist Bush administration. Try staying informed in that condition.

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why America has gone to the illegals!
Posted by: eosrk on Jun 23, 2007 7:59 PM   
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Back in the good ol' days, 1986 for me, I was on this tug on the Des Plaines river in Illinois, with these two elders, one an WWll vet, the other Vietnam, and they were talking about what was happening at the time when Regan and the Moral Majority took over. They were talking about how many illegals were being allowed into the country, how the Azltimers' President and his merry band of bible-thumpers were going to screw everything up in the near future, and they said to me, "Kenny, mark our words, the United States was going to the dogs in about twenty years from now, with wages going down, manufacturing going overseas, and all these illegal aliens coming over here. And the rich getting richer, and richer.....richer....etc, etc.

And you know, they're were right, and it's getting worse.

In 1988, I was working as a popcorn operator making 8.00 per hour, that was good money for me back then; there's a guy I know who made 13.00 back in 1972, that's equal to 30.00plus an hour today, so that shows how America now only suck, and blows!

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Americans die from heart attacks and cancer more than anybody else
Posted by: helgerry on Jun 24, 2007 2:40 AM   
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You said: "... here in the US where the medical facilities are better and you can actually get good medical attention."

How do you explain the fact that Europeans live longer than Americans (according to several studies done over the years)? And the average European is happier as well! Guess who are the happiest people on the planet according to WHO? The Danes!!
Good health care has more to do with things like Prevention, healthy eating habits, quality time with family and friends, good working conditions... than the availability of high-tech fancy medical equipment and facilities. Americans die from heart attacks and cancer more than anybody else in the world! How do you explain that?

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» Where do your stats come from? Posted by: Gravitas
Another good reason...
Posted by: AhavahbatSarah on Jun 24, 2007 11:28 AM   
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...to move away from the United States.

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I have seen studies based on hours that teachers actually work
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jun 24, 2007 11:29 AM   
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and if you count all of the "extras" that teachers are required to perform (before and after school meetings, lunch time duties, conferences etc.) most teachers put in a 50-60 hour week. Broken down per hour, teachers were paid less than the average college educated business worker, with a lot more hassel. I also remember a doctor telling me he got a lot more teachers in his office due to physical and emotional stress.

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What's the mystery?
Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 24, 2007 5:58 PM   
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What's with the confusion on where your vacation is dude? It is in exactly the same place as your job --outsourced to India or Mexico. Have a nice day!

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Some of this seems pretty weak . . .
Posted by: chomsky on Jun 24, 2007 7:02 PM   
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I don't disagree that this is a problem but some of the arguments in this article seem pretty weak. In paragraph 3 it states that in most other industrialized nations workers are guaranteed 2 weeks paid vacation and at least 7 sick days every year. Assuming a 5 day work week and 261 work days a year - non-US workers work 244 days a year.

In paragraph 5 it states the the average private sector worker in the US gets 9 vacation and 6 work days per year. They work 246 days a year - 0.8% more than their counterparts from other industrial nations.

This hardly seems excessive.

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We have enough vacation already
Posted by: Trazom on Jun 25, 2007 7:32 AM   
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We already have 104 vacation days a year. It's called Saturday and Sunday. Seriously though (I realize that was an unfair statement to make considering many people work 7 days a week or are on-call 24/7), how many people can afford to take a vacation these days. I can't - can't even afford to drive a few hours away to go to an amusement park. Even the county fair runs a smooth $100-$200 these days once you pay for rides for the kids.

I would be more concerned about sick days, or lack thereof. People really need time off to get well, and not spread germs around the office. Plus, the double whammy of a sick parent losing pay but still paying for child care (no breaks there) needs to be addressed. We literally cannot afford to get sick in this country.

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New Zealand has 4 weeks paid holiday as law.
Posted by: superdan on Jun 25, 2007 8:18 PM   
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Not sure how we ended up in a tie with the states... Old statistics perhaps? The law only got changed a couple of years ago.

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