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Trillions in Debt, Can the Middle Class Hang On?

By James Scurlock, AlterNet. Posted April 3, 2007.


How do we stop the credit industry's predatory business model and get Americans out of debt when incomes aren't rising as fast as the costs of healthcare and housing?
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Last week, the FDIC and the Federal Reserve Board were forced to remind the nation's bankers to verify their customers' incomes -- adding that it might be a good idea to determine whether or not said customers could afford their mortgage payments. The new guidelines are expected to have a chilling effect on what the industry calls "home ownership." Many esteemed economists have expressed hope that the resulting declines in home values, which have been inflated by the lack of such guidelines, will not stop too many Americans from cashing out the equity in their homes to keep consumer spending up. In other words, the "new economy" is based on people slowly losing home ownership, not gaining it.

Yes, this is both absurd and dangerous. But no, go-go bankers are not entirely to blame for our national credit fiasco, of which subprime mortgages -- the ones that have been blowing up lately, wreaking havoc in markets here and abroad -- will ultimately prove but a footnote. Go back and do the math, like professor Elizabeth Warren of Harvard Law School, and you'll discover a systemic problem: Incomes aren't rising nearly as fast as big-ticket costs like healthcare, education and housing. Ergo the negative savings rate, the two-thirds of us who can't pay our credit card bills off every month, and the proliferation of "liar's loans" -- where customers fabricate an income high enough to qualify for a mortgage and banks promise not to call them out on the lie.

I have been criticized for making a film about such Americans. A banker who joined me on a radio show, for example, sniffed that it was simply too easy to find examples of Americans drowning in easy credit. I completely agree with him. It's far too easy, mainly because those people are most of us. Bankers would do well to listen to a few of the stories behind the numbers, or else they will never understand the numbers themselves.

Some will argue -- with no empirical evidence, mind you -- that the culture itself is to blame. We have become a bunch of materialistic, Paris Hilton-loving deadbeats! they trill. Such was the argument the banks used to railroad bankruptcy reform through Congress a year and a half ago. If we accepted their argument and blamed the "gamers" -- the new welfare queens -- they promised us a dividend in the neighborhood of several hundred dollars apiece in the form of lower interest rates. Last quarter, these same bankers announced record credit card profits (JPMorgan Chase, the biggest, more than doubled their profits), but alas, no check arrived in the mail for you or me.

The "personal responsibility" argument, as it is euphemistically known, appeals to our love of false nostalgia if not history itself. It assumes that Jimmy Carter wasn't imploring us to cut up our credit cards three decades ago (he was); that the Me Generation never happened (it did); that the '80s was not the decade of greed (it was); or that, going back a bit further, the Roaring Twenties never happened (it did).

So caveat emptor, they crow. But do banks really want to be bundled in the same class as used car dealers? True, they've blurred their ivory towers by jumping into the subprime business head first, but they still like to trade on their good names, don't they? The smart ones intuitively get that if they lose their moral authority, if too many of their customers learn that they can't walk into a mortgage closing or sign a contract without a decent chance of said contract blowing up in their face in a matter of months, then the grease that lubricates the economy will congeal into a gum that jams the gears and slows it to a halt.

Some argue that the subprime mortgage fiasco has been contained, yet the mindset that created it lurks everywhere. FICO, the credit-scoring product that Suze Orman likes to compare to x-rays (when she's not peddling Cadillacs or Ameritrade accounts), is riddled with errors and has nothing to do with income. Financing contracts have evolved into minefields that cannot be understood by Harvard Law School professors, MIT math whizzes and oftentimes bankers themselves. Schemes like double-cycle billing, universal default and negative amortization tend to be understood only by their devastating consequences.

I got my first credit card as an incoming freshman at the University of Pennsylvania. My college, like so many others, had sold my personal information to a bank, which sent me an application before I had a chance to enroll in a single class. I thought of this credit card the other day, with its navy blue veneer and shield encrusted with Latin, during the congressional hearings on the credit card industry. One of the bankers was arguing that a particularly nefarious practice was perfectly acceptable because there was no law forbidding it -- just as there is no law against liar's loans or hawking platinum cards to wide-eyed 18-year-olds with no money.

I remembered my first credit card because of the motto inscribed across the front, the ethics code of the university founded by the father of American thrift, Benjamin Franklin. The motto was: Leges Sine Moribus Vanae, or Laws Without Morals Are Useless. How true.

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James D. Scurlock studied at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. His first film, "Parents of the Year," won numerous awards and was an official selection of more than 25 film festivals. "Maxed Out," his first feature-length film, won the Special Jury Prize at South by Southwest.

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Get out of debt without working!
Posted by: DataDoc on Apr 3, 2007 12:48 AM   
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Don't you love the slogans on those cheap loans? I got my first credit card in college, went over limit on a vacation, and cut up the card (after paying it off). When I wanted to buy a home at age 30, I was advised to develop a credit history, by getting a credit card. I was proud to pay the balance off every month.

Then I bought a house with my wife. We love it, but it did have some problems - a cat got in between the time we purchased and the time we moved in, and destroyed the carpets. Pulling the carpets and polishing the hardwood floors started my serious credit card debt. When the roof leaked, I replaced the shingles myself, but the expenses went on the card, same for the plumbing. As my card payments grew, I found I no longer had "spending money." I had to put any purchases on the card. I stopped dining out, and buying cd's. But I started to put food purchases on the credit card. They kept raising my interest rate, and I would call and get it back down, but my interest payments grew bigger and bigger.

We did take a pay cut at work, but got it back with the minimum wage increase. So my income has been stable over the last few years, however just the interest on my credit cards is now $200 per month. It's a good racket for the credit card provider! I now owe more than $15,000 to the credit card provider, and have no real dollars to buy food. Hey there's always the credit card! And government assistance.

I know many folks have even scarier stories, but I thought I should tell mine as a cautionary tale. A few thousand can grow to a few ten thousand quicker than you might think! It's called compound interest and it's assessed daily.

To keep folks in their homes we will need to create low-interest loan assistance on a large scale to relieve the debts of the poor with 2-3% interest loans. This is the future of charity - we can't build a house for everyone, but we can try to save the homes they have.

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» Or maybe this one... Posted by: ordaj
» 2nd that on bicycles Posted by: Artkansas
» NO WAY! Posted by: Wassermann
» YEAH, WAY... Posted by: katz22br
» Good Advice Posted by: DataDoc
Search and Rescue Anyone?
Posted by: edith on Apr 3, 2007 1:21 AM   
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There is no soft landing unless the govt, already hundreds of billions of dollars in debt itself due to tax breaks and Iraq, bails out the cash poor middle class which has run up massive debt. Perhaps the govt should bail the middle class out; after all, if not for consumer spending, we'd be in a Depression, W would be in Paraguay, and we might have a military junta running the govt.

Well, if you can depend on Congress for anything is that it will bail out banks before people, so the "contraction" of the economy, just around the corner, will solve the problem as will skyrocketing inflation that will monetize our debts and reduce debt's real value.

Hopefully, as the defense/homeland security fueled economy contracts and printing of federal funny money slows down, some of us will still have the couple of hundred a month needed to pay the interest charges on our shrunken but still potent credit card debt. Of course this "happy ending" depends on the Chinese not foreclosing on our red inked dead-drunk debtor nation. If they do, we are drowned, drowned drowned.

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» RE: Search and Rescue Anyone? Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Search and Rescue Anyone? Posted by: QuestionAuthority
» RE: Search and Rescue Anyone? Posted by: Conservasaurus
» PS: Ask yourself Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Search and Rescue Anyone? Posted by: fearlessmanateehunter
» RE: Search and Rescue Anyone? Posted by: Monitor523
Inspired by this article
Posted by: ateo on Apr 3, 2007 3:12 AM   
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Before making this post I went ahead and paid off almost 3 grand I had on a credit card. I left the debt there because the first year of purchases had no interest applied to it but March was my last month.

Anyway, what does this mean, "If we accepted their argument and blamed the "gamers" -- the new welfare queens -- they promised us a dividend in the neighborhood of several hundred dollars apiece in the form of lower interest rates." Gamers meaning people who work the system as if it were a game or what?

I do actually think a big part of the problem is the prevailing culture in America. People want to live a life style they really can't afford and so they take on debt they can't pay back to achieve it.

On the other hand there is the fact that once you add children into the equation a "comfortable" life style becomes borderline poverty. The solution is simply to not have children. That is what happens in Russia and many former Soviet nations. However, unlike them we don't mind having people from other countries stream into ours and replace our "native" population (they seem to have some kind of problem with the idea of Chinese immigrants replacing Russians so they are trying to promote child birth among their people). Thus, our population will continue to rise even as birth rates among native born Americans declines. America has labor (though, perhaps non-English speaking labor), and the current generation gets to enjoy their pampered middle class life style. It's win/win.

We'll also get to see whether racist nations such as China, Japan, Russia etc. are correct in assuming the people actually living in their country culturally and racially is primarily responsible for the continued existence and prosperity of their country. When whites are a minority in the U.S. if we are still a superpower then good on us, we win. If not, then I guess it'll be time for the racist Chinese/Russians/Japanese etc. and their homogeneous populations to rise to prominence. The U.S. has never really had a cultural identity so there is much less protectionism on this issue.

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» RE: Inspired by this article Posted by: launcher
consultant - ethics and the creative process / leadership development
Posted by: crmcvin on Apr 3, 2007 3:51 AM   
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This article gets it right. But lets be aware that the entire infrastructure of the owners of the society is aimed at getting our money at any cost. The credit bureau's themselves are an example , the torchbearer of the nearly fascistic financial conditons we live under. They actually grade you on your financial behavior for all to see, and most Americans accept this as normal. What if your job performance were monitored by a commerical entity and reported every month to the world? Get it?
Get in debt to pay huge health and living expenses, struggle with taxes, fall even a bit behind on any thing and your treated like some sort of irresponsible criminal. Then you'll likely get your home or business (if you are on your own - as more and more of us are) levied by the state or feds and loose your middle class safety nets - all of which safety nets are of your own making anyway, since the current regime in power has undermined any meaningful official ones.

In a world where most kids start their first job between 30-60k in debt for the educations, I recommend cancelling every credit card except the one you need to travel for business (and keep a small cap on that one) and don't buy anything you don't need to sustain a modest life or a soothed the soul. Spend more time with friends making good food together and laughing and stay away from malls and expensive vacations, restaurants and entertainment centers. See a good movie or play now and then or go to free concerts. Cut back on fueling the consumption of things mentality in self and others. If we all did that for one year, the whole bogus industry would collapse, and new economy of sustainable service and community involvement could evolve. Of course, the way it's been structured by the money hounds called banks and credit card companies - in collusion with the US government, you'll probably collapse too. Either way, they get ya!

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» I do this with my wife Posted by: Bobsays
You can slow the dishonest credit promotion juggernaut
Posted by: davidslesinger on Apr 3, 2007 3:57 AM   
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One way to slow the credit promotion juggernaut is to complain to institutions which allow dishonest credit promotion at their venues. Most major credit cards have annual fees. Most in-person credit card solicitation invitations begin with the line "free gift". If there's an annual fee, it's not free. Duh. Offending venues include airports, fairs, colleges, home shows, auto shows.

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Living la vida loca
Posted by: bulbman on Apr 3, 2007 4:00 AM   
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Never underestimate the vast capability of the American public to be deluded. Sure the financial industry has turned into the Sopranos under the Bush administration. But hordes of middle class Americans still believe that they are just a few years away from becoming Donald Trump (or Paris Hilton), and few among them even understand how the rules of personal bancruptcy were altered in favor of thems that hold the paper. No, its gonna take a lot more suffering before the middle class stops quaffing the soma.

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Financial advice...
Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 3, 2007 4:00 AM   
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The US dollar has been **intentionally** inflated for most of the last 100 years by the corporate-owned US Federal Reserve, to help the US government to pay for wars. The US dollar is now virtually **worthless.** It's just a piece of paper.

The only thing floating it are promises. Promises that it's backed by gold in Fort Knox -- gold that no longer resides there because it's been stolen and sold off to pay for war.

The thing to do is to get completely out of the US dollar, as much as possible. Buy gold coins (newer issue, not the old coins) and have them ready in a safe in your house that's bolted to your floor under your bed.

When the US economic collapse happens, you will then have money to barter with, to buy food and pay for healthcare. Or, in the probable event of pre-planned nationwide martial law (where most of everything you own will be confiscated by the US govt), you may be able to bribe your way out of the country. By then Mexico and Canada will already be part of the North American Union, so you will be wanting to bribe your way to Central or South America, or to Africa.

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» RE: Hmmm... Posted by: ateo
» Other "hot" investments Posted by: anonimus1
» RE: Financial advice... Posted by: yellow
» RE: Financial advice... Posted by: anonimus1
» RE: Financial advice... Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Financial advice... Posted by: yellow
Worse than used car salesmen.
Posted by: colinmeister on Apr 3, 2007 4:09 AM   
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The writer seems to think that banks and banksters should be hald above used car salesmen. I think they are probably to be regarded as lower.

I receive an average of 4 junk mails a week offering me credit cards with various incentives. I do not currently have a credit card, and nor do I want one - I learned the hard way by responding to Capital One in a positive way. I never bought anything on that card, yet racked up huge debt from a monthly charge and penalties for not paying it. When I paid everything off, and the card had expired, Capital One tried to re-instate my card ownership, and it took a lengthy telephone conversation with someone from South Asia to finally get rid of it.

At least from a car salesman you get a car of some sort. From the banksters you are likely to get nothing, and pay dearly for it!

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» RE: Gisele Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: Yea, it's something Posted by: ateo
» use opt-out no mail list Posted by: counterpoint
» Capital One.... Posted by: Artkansas
Isn't the issue bigger than these cards? Why are we enjoying a ....
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 3, 2007 4:25 AM   
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... lesser life style than our parents before us? We WERE an educated and creative people. We were number one in the advancement of science and applied science, we used our tax dollars to aid those with smarts but no money to enter school and obtain an education (I know, I got my education that way, without it, I would not be where I am today).

Our corporations literally had two things they no longer have or pay for : 1. a Research and development dept and budget. 2. On site educational and skills training for their workers. Both are gone and I just read we have slipped to 7th in the world in techology advancement.

There is a redistribution of wealth to the elite through many avenues, the least of which is credit card debt WHICH IS VOLUNTARY, but there are other ways they get our money which is NOT voluntary which is just as ominous and never discussed.

What are those ways that we have no say in?

1. 65 Taxes a year paid by everyone, which represents over 5 months of working straight for some gov taxation. What is the name of something where you work for 5 months and receive no pay??? SLAVERY!

2. Inflation is the other robber. Your money isn't worth what it was and that is how they get us.

Add to all of this our voluntary use of credit cards and you have a recipe for massive redistribution of wealth that is now at record levels

Its not wrong to want a good life style that is a responsible one, but it is wrong to "get" one through credit instead of exercising you right to keep what you make. If you could do that you would never have to be in debt. If the BANKERS, were out of the picture, we would have a great economy and great future for our children.

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EAT THE RICH!
Posted by: shangrilalad on Apr 3, 2007 4:45 AM   
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Economic Cannibalism as a fundamental precept in Conservative Ideology has been a hugely successful tactic for millions of American Plutocrats at the expense of multi-millions of other Americans. It defines “Survival of the Fittest” as their holiest concept, and illustrates the foolishness of Christian Values.

Join the “Survival of the Fittest” movement and reap the rewards of Economic Cannibalism. EAT THE RICH!

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» RE: Agree Posted by: ateo
» RE: AT THE RICH! Posted by: Roberto
you all forgot one thing...
Posted by: mdoty on Apr 3, 2007 4:59 AM   
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...the bottom line is to stop consuming what you do not need. A major lifestyle change is in order. Climate change will force you to a do or die position for your children who will likely not think kindly of all this self indulgent bickering rather than DOING SOMETHING NOW and teaching them how to live sustainably.

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» RE: Riiiight... Posted by: ateo
» RE: Good point Posted by: ateo
» RE: Good point Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: Well... Posted by: ateo
What would happen if debtors just didn't pay? Countries and Corps
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Apr 3, 2007 6:20 AM   
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do it all the time. As a mental exercise (as I don't advocate breaking any law or regulation) what would happen if people simply refused to mail in their mortage check, their credit card payment, their IRS check, their vehical registration, their school loan payment, etc? Could the system actual punish/catch us all? The people are armed, we can travel/move relatively freely, and if the majority are behind the movement what could the gov't do? If people and small business refused to comply, only did business with people who 'thought the same', and demanded their days in court could the 'system' still exist or would they, finally, change the corrupt/exploitative system?

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» Collection agencies Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Bad Avise Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Bad Avise Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Myth of Home Ownership
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 3, 2007 6:30 AM   
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Take the number of 'Home Owners' in the US and subtract those will balances on their primary mortgage, subtract those who have borrowed against their 'paid off' homes, subtract those with a 'reverse mortgage', subtract all others with unsecured debts that they can pay off without selling their home. The number you come up with is the TRUE figure for home ownership in America. It will be very small.

That number should scare the hell out of all of us.

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» good point-myth indeed Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: good point-myth indeed Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: good point-myth indeed Posted by: Trazom
» RE: good point-myth indeed Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: good point-myth indeed Posted by: rivka_m
» RE: good point-myth indeed Posted by: rivka_m
UK getting ready to go down same smoke hole as US
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 3, 2007 6:49 AM   
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This author has documented one country that is worse off than the US: and it is the UK. The UK stinks of debt. Over-inflated housing that would even make New Yorkers gag on their bagels, credit-fueled spending sprees, borrowing on house equity - Brits do it all.

And now it is all coming to haunt the UK. The political situation becomes more turbulent by the day. The political leaders are less and less able to bring the people with them. The chancellor of the exchequer (the finance minister) is losing his credibility cut by cut as each day unfolds.

Get ready for the UK to join the US in a global chill. Brrr! I am getting my financial house in order for this baby. I would recommend everyone do the same.

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DOMINO DOOM
Posted by: dmbtiger on Apr 3, 2007 7:06 AM   
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I don't pay credit card interest (yet). I pay off my bills at the end of the month and don't charge anything I can't immediately afford. But that only makes me "unAmerican". On the other hand, I do wind up paying off other people's debts because businesses add in the cost of defaulted debt on their prices and increased interest rates and fees. No bank ever sacraficed its geedy profit because a mortgage went bad or someone went bankrupt. They just spread the cost to everyone else and in the end it is the so-called middle class that pays for everything (rich people don't pay interest either). Eventually, the "middle class" will go down like a box of dominos and then this will be just another third world country. The French had an answer to the greed of the rich-the guillotine! I'm in favor of bringing that back. Let's start with everyone who's a billionaire, and take it from there. Only death can put an end to greed. Change our national holiday from the 4th of July to the 14th. As long as money can make money without any real work being involved, we will be nothing but well-dressed slaves to the rich.

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» RE: On the other hand... Posted by: ateo
» RE: DOMINO DOOM Posted by: Trazom
Looking for someone to blame...
Posted by: greenman on Apr 3, 2007 7:09 AM   
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Yes, banks have all the morals of moray eels at suppertime. Banks are not our friends. It's always been this way, and it probably will get worse as we plunge into an increasingly uncertain future. I think that we shouldn't expect anyone to bail us out, because that never has happened in the past.

That being the case, we need to live defensively, and we could all stand to review our lifestyles to see if some economy is in order. "Caveat Emptor", for those who are deficent in Latin, means "Let the buyer beware". That's good advice, and has been for the last 2000 years.

Greenman

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» RE: The real secret is... Posted by: churchofone
» Not repeat myself, but... Posted by: Philip Newton
college used to promise eventual financial freedom
Posted by: Beck on Apr 3, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Now kids are snared before they know what hit them. The days of taking some time off and seeing the nation or world on the cheap are over, because it's too easy to be thousands in debt at the moment you step on the dais to get your diploma, the moment that used to spell freedom. When my son showed up at college, he was bombarded with credit card offers. The student center lobby was full of tables from card companies and each had something to offer right then and there, either a five-dollar bill, or a t shirt, or money already on the card that didn't need paid back. He went to Wells Fargo for what he was told was a pretty good checking account deal, but it "had" to include a Visa card, and any overdraft on the checking account automatically went on the visa card. You can blame him and those like him that didn't handle this too well, but most 17- or 18-year-olds won't, and the companies know this to begin with. An unemployed 18-year-old was given a credit card after moving far away from his home base. This would be a very stupid business move by the company were it not for the fact that the rules were rewritten so that all these college freshman who goof up and can't pay back actually cause profits to the corporation, not losses. When he finally defaulted and the card (or it might have been another that he was too naive to turn down) was cancelled, he received in the mail less than two weeks later a brand-new credit card, and it had a $200 dollar bonus on it: in other words, he got $200 of free money, not to be paid back, just for making the first purchase. He won't touch a credit card now, but that isn't helping his future, in which he WILL need credit to buy a car or house, unless he wins the lottery very quickly. When his dad and I got our first credit card, one that we couldn't buy maternity clothes without, JC Penney actually checked us out, and we had to wait two whole weeks before we got the card, and had, I believe, a $200 credit limit until we made a few payments and showed we could handle the $400 they upped us to.

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arnold
Posted by: cranmore on Apr 3, 2007 7:36 AM   
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If you have a home mortgage, Mr. Potter will get you if you don’t watch out.
In truth, you are NOT a homeOWNER. You are an owner of DEBT.
You are NOT a “homesteader”-protected by law from a forced sale to meet your debt.
The money you borrowed gives the lender the right to take over the property if your debt is not paid.
Miss too many payments and, chances are, there will be no
heavenly messenger like Clarence to keep the U-Haul truck from your front door.
Until you pay off that mortgage, you are merely a resident at that address.
Arnold
Melrose, Mass.

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» RE: Good point Posted by: ateo
» You never do own that house Posted by: JMorse
Roberto
Posted by: Roberto on Apr 3, 2007 7:47 AM   
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In the coming tsunami of credit defaults look to the Republican executive branch to use public funds to bail out banks and credit lenders instead of offering the same monies in the form of low cost loans so low income people can save their homes. Just look what happened with the savings and loan debacle under Papa Bush to the tune of $157 billion of public money that went to rich people. People wake up, the system is broken. Do not be sucked into consumerism. A 60" TV or a new car is not worth it. Take responsibility for your actions. The government will side with the wealthy. The Democrats are not much better than the Republicans under the election system (can you say lobbyists) we have to deal with now. If you can not pay cash for anything other than a home, then you can not afford it. Do yourself a favor, save your money and pay cash. If people want to retire with security they must have discipline throughout their working lives to forego the constant barrage of propaganda telling us to buy, buy, buy.

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» Yep Posted by: Philip Newton
Consumers are squeezed by market manipulators (ethanol mandates etc...)
Posted by: rwa on Apr 3, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Mark McMillan:
...we have seen a rise in food and energy costs, which are outside of the core rate. With the core rate at a high level, the Fed simply can not lower rates, even if the economy were to weaken further. ... the rise in food prices has about twice the effect on consumers as energy prices, and has been increasing significantly for a year of more, with no sign of letting up. The increase in food prices has, to a large degree, been driven by the use of corn in the manufacture of ethanol in the United States. This raised corn prices, wheat prices (due to the planting of corn rather than wheat), meat products and dairy products (corn is used to feed livestock), etc...

Julian Delasantellis:

Every time the price of crude rises and the Western popular media accuse OPEC nations of price gouging, their defense is that it's not them, it's the Western oil companies. The rising crack spread essentially proves their point. There's no real shortage of crude oil; actually, the world is awash in it. Spare refining capacity, that's another story...

During the summer of 2000, California electricity supply crisis, when large parts of the state were being subjected to daily electricity blackouts, the late Ken Lay, at that time chief executive officer of the Enron Corporation, a major player in the California wholesale electricity market, mocked David Freeman, chairman of the California Power Authority, by, according to Freeman, stating: "It doesn't matter what you crazy people in California do, because I got smart guys who can always figure out how to make money."

The main thing that Lay's smart guys, as well as the people in the oil industry who are not building new refinery capacity, have figured out is that the market for energy is very unique. When demand is high and supplies are tight, you make less money selling your product than by not selling it. This is what Enron did, through taking offline much of California-dedicated electricity-generating capacity for strategically timed (in the California summer, when air-conditioning puts intense demand on power supplies) "maintenance". This drove prices up and created scarcity, not just in California, but all across the western US's interlinked electricity power transmission grid.

"Maintenance" is the same reason that the oil companies annually, including this year, give for taking refinery capacity offline in spring, driving prices up, and setting the world's drivers up for the fuel price increase season that now lasts into early autumn...
According to the Energy Information Administration of the US Department of Energy, total world refinery capacity has only increased 1.5% from 2000 to 2005, from 81.53 to 82.8 million barrels a day (mb/d)...
Oil refinery construction can be a difficult and expensive process, one which probably requires the company to go into debt by either issuing corporate bonds or taking out lines of credit with large commercial banks.

Much better to take the money that would have been spent on refinery construction and use it more judiciously, on things like risk-free short-term dollar or euro treasury securities (currently earning about 5.25% annually) and increased and enhanced corporate salaries, perks and dividends. This strategy is certainly working; oil company profits are skyrocketing. Early this year, ExxonMobil, the world's largest oil company, reported the largest-ever quarterly and yearly profits, $10.71 billion and $36.13 billion respectively, ever reported by an American corporation.

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Modern Debtors Prison
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 3, 2007 8:16 AM   
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The current economic model in the US is designed to get you into debt, keep you in debt, and encourage you to take on more debt. The new bankruptcy bill is designed to keep you in debt so they can lend you into a bigger financial grave.

Use a s little credit as you can, get liquid and get ready. When the house of cards comes tumbling down it will get very ugly. If you have investments try to get them in foreign denominated accounts (€, etc) - no $US. Precious metals might be a good choice if you can deal with the flux.

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Investments are a great idea...
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 3, 2007 8:42 AM   
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... if you have money to invest. For people like my wife and myself with catastrophic medical bills, both on disability and no way do do anything about it, we're stuck. There is a way for the government/private industry to make money on it, though, and I've been waiting for someone to propose it or to sneak it in somehow or other:

a REAL debtor's prison. Much if not most of the prison industry is privatized now. If a law were passed that classifies credit debt as attempted theft by fraud, then people in debt could be put in prison, and used as slave labor (as many in prison now are - no medical, no safety regs, no one checking). On top of that, these prisons are paid by the government at ridiculously high rates, and are not checked to see that they're actually taking reasonable care of inmates (they don't - it ruins the bottom line), or hiring qualified people. That's also where a lot of the torture techniques we've been using on kidnapped - ah, I mean "captured" terrorist suspects - have come from.

It WILL happen, folks. Label someone a criminal, and they get little sympathy from the majority of the population. When it all goes into the toilet, people screwed by predatory lenders are going to be the targets for a lot of the blame by this chickenshit government that never blames itself and specializes in scapegoats. Count on it.

Ian

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Isn't this what traditional mortgage banking is supposed to do?
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Apr 3, 2007 8:42 AM   
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"Last week, the FDIC and the Federal Reserve Board were forced to remind the nation's bankers to verify their customers' incomes -- adding that it might be a good idea to determine whether or not said customers could afford their mortgage payments."

After the 1929 crash, many laws were passed (over the upper class and big business' complaints) to regulate banking and prevent just this kind of thing. However, since the Reagan years of "greed is good," these laws were eliminated in favor of allowing the so-called market to dominate and for business to do whatever it wishes to the consumer.

We need to go back to the wise business-based experience of the post-Depression laws while we still have time. Business is NOT always the consumer's friend and needs to be watched and regulated to prevent the greed heads from strip mining the economy to feather their own 200-room nests.

Of course, anyone that buys a house on an interest only loan deserves what they get. That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.

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Bank of Ameria, king of the financial ripoff artists.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 3, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Since 1960, to prevent accidental bad checks, I have used overdraft protection which charged an acceptable interest rate about prime. O so I thought.

Last month for the first in years, I let my checking account withdrawals exceed deposits. No big deal until I saw the annual percentage rate charged by BofA: 59%. Not even Mafia rates are that high!

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» B of A IS a Mafia Bank Posted by: Philip Newton
Can the Middle Class Hang On?...Sure! Just have to put that IPOD...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 3, 2007 8:51 AM   
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...back on the shelf for a little while.

Ditto that new-car-every-five-years mentality.

Maybe cutting back those excursions to Outback steakhouse, too.

Oh, and those visits to the mall, with the department store credit cards? Going to have to rethink that approach, too.

Being solidly middle class in the richest country on the planet isn't such a bad prospect. Being middle class and over-reaching for a wealthy lifestyle can land a body in trouble rather quickly, though.

Brace yourselves, middle class "consumers": the iPhone is about to be released, and you need to practice telling junior and little missy that $500-$700 for a phone isn't in the family budget.

That's what student loans are for.

...oops. My cynicism filter must have sprung a leak.

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Caught in a trap
Posted by: Sunfell on Apr 3, 2007 8:58 AM   
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My story is a good illustration of diminishing returns. Before I got my current job, I worked retail- at Circuit City, to be exact. They paid handsome commissions to the sales people back then, and I did pretty good.

Then, they started reducing the commissions, cutting them by 75% or more in many cases. I had to scramble to make sales, and my paychecks shrank horribly. I got some credit cards about then. The commissions kept shrinking, and I had to piece my rent and utilities together from two paychecks. The credit card and its cash advances helped me get gas and groceries. When my pay shrank still more, I started having to skip payments to make ends meet. I saw the handwriting on the wall, and found another job. It had an actual salary, benefits, and promotions. But I was in a nasty mess credit wise. I went to the local consumer credit counseling service to see what I could do before I had to declare bankruptcy. They helped me sort out my credit cards, created a repayment plan, and got me back onto the path of solvency. I'll have my 'poverty debt' paid off by this summer.

It's easy to get caught in the credit trap. It's increasingly hard to get out of it- especially with the new bankruptcy laws. I started to save money, and no longer use credit cards. I do keep a couple to exercise so I am not a 'deadbeat' (someone who pays no interest in CC parlance), but I will not get trapped again.

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Just a fantasy *sigh*
Posted by: PhantomOfLiberty on Apr 3, 2007 9:03 AM   
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There is a very simple way to get out of debt and start a revolution at the same time. After reading the article about the Pink Pistols I realized something that is so obvious but often overlooked, especially by the left: We all have the right to bear arms.

The lower-middle class needs to arm itself. Every family, every person with debt should make sure their houshold is protected then simply stop paying your credit card bills. Keep what you have. Keep your car, your home, your HDTV, but when someone comes a knockin', tell them to get the F**K off your property or you'll pump 'em full of lead. If everyone just stops paying their debt. Their debt is instantaneously erased. Viola!

Be prepared for a violent backlash though. This would be the great inciting incident of a second civil war, Rich vs Poor. Then we could all band together, storm the white house and take the F**K over!

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» RE: Just a fantasy *sigh* Posted by: QuestionAuthority
» RE: Just a fantasy *sigh* Posted by: badkitty
Awww......poor, up-to-their-eyeballs-in-debt-babies
Posted by: sausage on Apr 3, 2007 9:17 AM   
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Y'know. while it's sad that this nation's economic future hangs on an ever stretching thread of debt, let's remember one thing: These debt-ridden suburbanites vote Republican, if they vote at all.

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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 3, 2007 9:26 AM   
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Lets talk about the culture that puts us there...

The lack of money for the working poor that runs up their debt just to survive.

The insistence of the consumerist culture that we have every little piece of technology.. TV, cell phone, cable, internet, car, etc.. The marketing of expensive fashions.

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An idea
Posted by: willymack on Apr 3, 2007 9:30 AM   
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It doesn't seem to make much sense to overcharge customers (victims) to the point where they can't make the payments and default on the loan. At first glance, it'd seem that everybody would lose, but, of course, this is not the case. Businesses have any number of laws on their side-bought from crooked politicians-to ensure their losses are minimal or non-existent. If you suppose that buisness people are no good sons of bitches, with no one's benefit but theirs in mind, you'd be right far more than wrong, so here's the idea. Begin with getting rid of the Federal Reserve system and replace it with a true National Bank, owned by the citizens of our country and not by just a few fat cats. This bank would be a non-profit institution which would offer a full range of services, including loans for mortgages and other reasons at a fixed rate of about 1% or 1.5%. This amount would be sufficient to pay the employees and provide money to maintain the buildings, etc. This will never happen, of course. Can you imagine the howls of outrage from all those who'd be affected? Their golden goose would be gone, and they may actually be forced to WORK for a living like the rest of us.

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Show's over - go back to sleep America . . .
Posted by: MAD on Apr 3, 2007 9:48 AM   
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Something that has often haunted me appears to be materializing as we speak. It now appears completely likely that the global economy will successfully de-couple from the US economy. Good for the rest and tant pis pour nous! As the US economy plummets, Europe, China, India, Russia, Australia and much of South America speed along unencumbered by US fiscal folly. This, at least in my mind, speaks volumes about the future of this country.

As an economist, I have often wondered when Alternet would get its act together and focus on what will surely be the REAL undoing of this country. Briefcase nukes, Iraqi/Iranian terrorists, global warming, etc. take a back seat to the economic recklessness of the government, corporations and your average American mega-consumer.

Isn't it apparent what is going on yet? The US is attempting to devalue its way out of this mess while simultaneoulsly exhorting China and others let their currencies appreciate. This is a band-aid solution that will allay the fears of the US consumer for a few years but the erosion of our manufacturing base and inability to produce anything the world wants (apart from trashy movies and salacious details about Paris Hilton) has rendered us obsolete. We are left with military might to "pay" for the things we desire now. There is seemingly no cure for what ails us! The only reasonable solution is to stop spending on extraneous items entirely and start socking away cash. *Hysterical fit of laughter overtakes him* Sorry, just lost myself in a midday reverie. We all know that isn't going to happen.

The final solution is to hang on to Iraq with tooth and nail. The US has no choice but to secure that oil and prop up the dollar. This is why Bush insists on "staying the course" because the alternate path consists of withdrawing (upon failure of course) after having put us another trillion deeper into debt and faced with an increasing homeland defense burden when the suicide bombings commence internally. Then what are we left with? Depleted reserves and a continuing reliance on Asian and Middle Eastern countries to fund our lavish lifestyles.

In a word, the US is FUCKED. The only conceivable way out now is to start hanging people from the street lights and putting bullets through the empty heads of those who will benefit from our demise. Yes, violence is wrong. So do nothing and see if your own government, terrorists or invading armies subscribe to that same doctrine. The time for half-measures is over. It's just unfortunate that so many of you have it just well enough to continue toeing the Reaganomics line. Unfortunately, when the bough breaks and little super consumers start dropping from their $450K McMansions, the government will already be prepared to deal with uprisings that come too little, too late. And you all thought Blackwater was created to quell external strife! Hilarious!

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As if debt just happens to you
Posted by: longlivecheney on Apr 3, 2007 10:16 AM   
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Seriously, if you don't want to get into credit card debt, don't get a credit card. If you do, pay it off. How hard is it?

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» Sometimes it is hard to avoid. Posted by: colinmeister
» RE: Sometimes it is hard to avoid. Posted by: longlivecheney
» Can sneak up on you! Posted by: DataDoc
Clearly American's can't think for themselves...
Posted by: EagleMB on Apr 3, 2007 11:05 AM   
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Forget about individual freedoms. The government should control 100% of our lives, becasue certainly we can't think for ourselves. We need to push for smaller government involvement (except when it comes to corporations, healthcare, welfare, social security, job security, etc).

What ever happened to individual freedom? Is that no longer a good thing?

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crashen it here boss
Posted by: solrev on Apr 3, 2007 11:30 AM   
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We currently have about $4 total debt per $1 national income. Household debt is increasing at the fastest rate compared to other debt sectors government and private. This is probably the result of stagnate or falling middle class income. The crash is unavoidable. The problem is that no current government is going to address the situation. Any attempt to right the ship will cause the crash. It is better for the people to have a controlled crash rather than a random crash. However it is better for the corporations to crash on their timetable. They will have time to jump ship.

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why?
Posted by: Dboy on Apr 3, 2007 11:56 AM   
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Why exactly should I feel any concern for the greedy middle-class? If you are spending beyond your means, you are GREEDY. You want rewards in excess of your contributions. IF you end up living in a car and have a 570 FICO score, too freakin bad. You should have considered that before you bought that HDTV flat-panel-whatever TV.

Dboy

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» RE: why? Posted by: dover23
» RE: why? Posted by: zyxwvut
» RE: why? Posted by: yellow
credit cards? try capitalism
Posted by: wleming on Apr 3, 2007 12:01 PM   
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Credit cards are part of a capitalist system which has always been bent on creating debt among those to whom it lends at
usurious rates. Credit cards are not the problem: its capitalism... or as John Kenneth Galbraith defined it:" the idea that the very worst for the worst of reasons will do the very best... thats Capitlalism."

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Unions v. Usury
Posted by: Philip Newton on Apr 3, 2007 1:14 PM   
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SEIU, the union to which I belong, has taken on the predatory lenders. In Oregon, where I live, we have beat the pants off them. But it isn't enough. We must also acknowledge how our personal habits, choices and desires have mortgaged our future.

We, along with other unions, helped pass the Employee Free Choice Act, which will help, if we can beat the Bush veto, the majority of Americans who want to join a union without fear of reprisals. It's a start.

While we can and must begin to return to usury laws and rein in the paycheck loan vipers and their brood, we have to acknowledge where our mania for "more" has gotten us -- and the world in which we live.

The fact is, we have overspent our resources, in every way imaginable. In India, 250 MILLION people suffer abject want, but we mortgage our lives for piles of slave-made crap. Those very poor in India form a miserable class of wage slaves, taking well-paying jobs from the US, importing this aforementioned plastic crap into the US, wrecking our trade balance and everyone's economy. And enriching...who? We know the answer.

I am posting this elsewhere on this forum.

Peace.

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There is nothing wrong with credit cards
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 3, 2007 1:42 PM   
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They offer many conveniences. Yes, the interest rates are absurdly high, but the thing is that the interest can be avoided altogether by paying in full each month.

Misuse of credit cards is the problem. You can try to shift the responsibility all you want, just like the people that try to shift responsibility for their obesity onto McDonalds, but in the end, the cardholder is the one that decides when to use them. (Yes, there are times when emergencies pop up, and times when they are all that's preventing someone from losing the basic necessities of life. I'm referring to the people who are fortunate enough to be able to cover the basics with their income.)

The underlying bitter truth is that we just have to face a declining standard of living. Our grandparents didn't have it all (home, car, furniture, etc.) within a few years of graduating. They had to work and scrimp and save to arrive there later in life.

Perhaps society should stop discouraging adults from staying at home with their parents. Staying on at home gives one the chance to really save on costs so that one can instead put aside money to later buy that home and car without putting oneself so deeply into debt. Extended families can have some other benefits as well.

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» I have problems with usury. Posted by: DataDoc
New industries
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 3, 2007 1:49 PM   
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One thing the U.S. has always exceled at is generating new markets.

Silicon Valley is showing signs of renewed vitality as it develops technology to deal with our energy problems. What better opportunity to solve two problems at once? Invest in the green energy sector and really get manufacturing going again in the U.S. and at the same time shift into the post-oil economy smoothly.

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Incidently...
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 3, 2007 1:52 PM   
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it's kind of funny to see the ad beneath this article advertising how to get easy credit!

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» RE: Incidently... Posted by: dover23
Credit card profits
Posted by: Maryanne on Apr 3, 2007 2:31 PM   
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A couple decades ago we began putting all purchases on a credit card and having no cash at home.

We have always paid in full and within a couple days of receipt of the bill. No problems

Recently, however, we were charged $ 160.00 late fee and interest because the credit card received the payment ONE DAY LATE!

In the course of ongoing correspondence, the bank issuing the card totally ignored our past history, the lateness of the arrival of their bill (we subsequently found that previous bills did not arrive in a timely fashion or within a consistent period), and the limited time available to get payment to them on time. They assumed no responsibility, blamed the postal system for the late arrival of the bill (although all our other bills and bank statements arrive on time), and pointed out that by using their card we have accepted their terms.

Note that the fee for ONE DAY was $160. However, we should mention that as soon as this was placed on our bill, the maximum we could charge was raised, because we are such good customers!

Purpose is not service but profit for the company- even if the customer is not at fault.

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» RE: Credit card profits Posted by: anonimus1
Sub Prime Loans Sink Market - Quel surprise!!
Posted by: cognitorex on Apr 3, 2007 3:12 PM   
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SHODDY BANK FINANCIAL PRACTICES ANNUALLY SPILL the REQUIREMENTS of MEDICARE and SOCIAL SECURITY

As regularly as the sun rises in the East, capitalism, as practiced in America today, spills, wastes or loses more financial resources every year than the total requirement of Medicare and Social Security combined. Greed leads to excessive risk taking. The U.S. financial industry regularly goes on speculative binges that enrich work-a-day bankers and thieves alike until the (always predicted) pyramid-like lending excesses end in catastrophe. I suggest a way out. Add, similarly to a Value Added Tax, one one hundredth of a per cent tax on financial transactions and the social programs for the average Joe and Jane would be well funded.--Who do you think (always, always, always) pays for the shoddy greedy self serving financial excesses in the first place? You guessed it, the same Janes and Joes that get sucker punched with the old, "Gee whiz, there just doesn't seem to be any money left over for you."

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In NZ
Posted by: KiwiTT on Apr 3, 2007 3:45 PM   
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We have a similar problem here in New Zealand. I am thankful I married a wife who doesn't like spending. I used to think having a good credit rating was important and took out a loan to get one. Twenty years later after the mortgage was paid off and we are now debt-free, I can see how silly that thought was. We have now saved hundreds of thousands of dollars in our various investment accounts and when we want something we research it, discuss it, then if we still want it, we buy it. This has helped to reduce our impulse buying.

I have now realised that the biggest asset you have is your ability to earn income. You need to do everything you can to maintain this, by staying current by learning skills and possibly changing employers a few times. However, it is this asset that the banks and finance organizations want and they will do everything in their power to get you into debt and pay them an additional tax (interest) on your income. Protect your income, the banks want it just as much as you do. Don't get sucked in.

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Federal Reserve Bank and Income Tax Are to Blame
Posted by: Bushguiltyof911 on Apr 3, 2007 6:45 PM   
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Our income tax payments go to paying the Fed, a private bank, the interest the Fed charges us to lend us the Federal Reserve Notes they print.

American taxpayers have paid the FED banking system
$173,875,979,369.66 in interest on 'our debt' in just five short months ,from October, 2005, through February, 2006.

No con artist or group of con artists in history has ever perpetrated a SCAM that even approaches the scope of this one.

Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson was adamantly opposed to the idea of a privately owned federal bank and said "I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies ."


Andrew Jackson
"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." ( we now have another one like it)


Henry Ford
Ford once said "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

The first two Federal Reserve Systems lasted about
20 years each and we are now almost a hundred years into the third one.

Go to www.911insidejob.net

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Get out of debt?
Posted by: MilesH6 on Apr 3, 2007 8:40 PM   
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The national debt is killing the dollar and the economy along with it. Petroleum import is the worst offender on the balance of trade.

Here is a solution: Build gasification coal plants all across America. Hundreds, thousands of them. The coal gas can be used as the starting material for gasoline. Plus there will be a lot of electric power too.

America could actually have a total export excess of gasoline! For the first time in forty years. The wealth generated from this investment could pay the National Debt - AND build a realistic hydrogen economy from the construction of nuclear power plants and all the piping and storage needed for the country to run on hydrogen.

And the country could actually provide overseas aid where it is needed - for clean water, combat disease, fledgeling free market economies.

No more worries about the instability of petroleum supply.

Carbon dioxide? Tons, tons, tons, of it produced and released into the atmosphere for all the green plants in the world and that is part of the price tag.

Acid rain? Lots - but it could be controlled in sensitive areas. A lot of acidity could be controlled, though, by co-firing with crushed recycled concrete - a good way to get rid of it.

Take all the coal ash and bury it - instead of trying to bury the carbon dioxide, which is a ridiculous idea and potentially worse than releasing it because it could suffocate a lot of anaerobic microbes.

This whole thing could be done cost-share with industry - and I mean US industry too.

(There is a picuture of Al Gore on the page I am preparing this message - the ad says "Draft Al Gore! Wonder if he would like my idea)

Maybe some folks don't llike my idea. Maybe some other folks think I stole the idea.

Maybe the Chinese are already a quarter of the way in completing my idea

Maybe the Chinese will lend us some money when they have conquered us by forcing the dollar to be worth nothing more than about a tenth of a carbon credit and no monetary value on a global market exchange

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Any suggestions
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Apr 3, 2007 8:58 PM   
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Anyone have any good suggestions on how to survive this coming nightmare?

This story hits home hard with me, I'm the only one of my friends who has a positive bank balance. Were in our early twenties, and they've managed to rack up like 20k-50k of debt.

I've never seen anyone rack up so much debt on clothing and eating out every night. Scary stuff.

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Cancel that effin card!!!
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 3, 2007 11:52 PM   
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Be sure to tell em why

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too close to home
Posted by: dannrusso on Apr 4, 2007 6:34 AM   
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So, after my 50,000 in school loans to make sure I had enough education to possibly make enough money to pay back the credit cards I used to buy food and diapers while I was finishing grad school and possibly save up enough or beg enough relatives to "lend" (any by lend I mean give) me enough money for a house for myself and my family, and as my car's odometer hits 193,000 because I own it outright and cant afford a new one and I consistently check my credit score hoping that maybe someday I can get a payment plan on a computer that even slightly runs the programs I need for work that I leave the house at 7 am and come home at 7pm to make enough money to pay for day care or the phone, gas, water, electric bills and I still get Caller ID's that I don't answer from Indiana and Florida that sound like they are from Bangalore....talk about stuck in a rut.

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Has this ever happened to you?
Posted by: Vik on Apr 5, 2007 7:57 AM   
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Here is yet another sneaky way that banks can get more and more $ out of their credit card holders. Someone has a credit card that is almost (I repeat, "almost") maxed, and are paying it off minimum. Then, for one reason or another, they make a late payment. The late payment charge takes the balance over the limit. This is not something you did by purchasing something that took the balance over the limit, their "late charge" did it. So they sock you with a late charge, and don't really tell you (not in large print, anyway), how much extra you will have to send in this time to take you below the limit. And, by the way, you don't have the whole day on the due date. There is a specific time listed when the payment has to be in their hands. Do you suppose the banks deliberately don't pick up their mail on that day until AFTER that time?

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Some people have no choice about Credit Card use.
Posted by: symcokid on Apr 5, 2007 8:45 AM   
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This Government controls every facet of our lives, and could have done something about Credit Card Companies ripping us off long ago, but chose not to. It is a sad state of affairs when some people are reliant upon Credit Cards simply to exist - why don't they admit this country's economy is bankrupt and has been for some time? Broke, but still we can finance Wars all over the World on money borrowed from China and other countries!!!

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Living Within Our Means
Posted by: adamselene on Apr 5, 2007 3:38 PM   
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Yes, it is true that far too many people are strung out on credit, and that the companies mercilessly press their advantages. It's also true that most Americans live in great luxury, when compared to our forefathers (air conditioning, TV, access to the world's knowledge via the internet, ease of travel). So both facts are true. Make a commitment: buy nothing new, get everything from Craiglist!

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done this month
Posted by: iluvtnp on Apr 6, 2007 7:38 AM   
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Reading and hearling about all this stuff re: credit card companies makes me so glad I'll be out of debt at the end of this month. My whole adult life I spent money I didn't have, and paid a ton of money in interest. Two years ago I finally woke up and devised a plan to pay off a car loan, a consumer loan, and credit card debt. $30K total. I scrimped, took on extra work, watched every single dollar, made decisions like whether or not to spend three bucks on a latte. In three and a half weeks, I'm DONE. Never going back. Ironically, it may tarnish my very good credit rating. But I don't care. I feel richer than I ever have in my life.

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Our Monetary System Design Promotes Universal Struggle and Poverty
Posted by: Legaltender on Apr 6, 2007 2:23 PM   
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None of your comments even hint at the real cause of the debt problem. You can't fix the problem if you don't know the cause.

We have a debt-money system, which means all money is loaned into circulation by the banks as a debt that must be paid back plus interest. It is a permanent debt in which there is always more debt than money to pay it back. A money supply is permanent and will never be paid back, and as a debt it must compound to astronomical amounts.

This design creates universal struggle, poverty, and unpayable compounding astronomical debt that causes rising prices. By confusing the nature of money, predators have taken control of our monetary system, dominating society and deforming humanity in the process.

I have written a short article that explains the detailed mechanics of how it all works (28 pages is short considering the complexity of the topic). Rich Country - Poor Country, a free download at www.hiddencures.com/Articles/natural-law-papers.htm.

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