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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

America, Maxed Out

By James Scurlock, Scribner. Posted March 24, 2007.


Hard times, easy credit and the era of predatory lenders.
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The federal government -- and the majority of Americans -- can no longer get by a single day without taking on additional debt. And as more borrowing goes to simply pay off old debt, or to make interest payments, the new debt does little more than increase banking profits.

Eventually the higher levels of debt will lead to higher interest rates, which will lead to more debt, creating a cycle as vicious as it is inevitable. Over the past generation, banks and credit card companies have made trillions of dollars of high-interest, unsecured debt available, and Americans have scooped it up. Our incomes have risen an average of 1 percent in real terms, while our household debt has increased over 1,000 percent. As a result, we no longer save. We have no choice but to keep spending until our credit is exhausted and we own nothing.

As Marriner Eccles, the legendary Fed chairman during the Great Depression, noted, "The economy is like a poker game where only a few people control the chips and the other fellows must borrow to stay in the game. But the moment the borrowing stops, the game is over."

How did we allow this to happen? How could we be so shortsighted? How could banks keep lending to people who can't afford to pay them back? Doesn't that fly in the face of tradition, if not common sense? Don't bank executives realize that they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction? After all, when most Americans can no longer stay afloat, the banks will sink alongside them as they did back in Marriner Eccles' day.

The simple answer is that while the banking industry has gone through its most profound change since the Venetians invented modern finance hundreds of years ago, Americans have clung to old assumptions. In particular, we've continued to believe that banks wouldn't extend us credit unless we could handle it, and that banks want us to save. Yet, the big banks realized more than a generation ago that they make far more money teaching us to spend than to save. They've also learned that making money upfront, mostly in the form of fees, is a lot more fun than waiting for a revenue stream to trickle in. The reason is simple: Fees can be booked as profits immediately; revenue streams take years. This is why most mortgages, car loans, and even credit card receivables are bundled together and sold off, sometimes instantly, to Wall Street.

Take Enron as an example. Enron executives didn't want to wait for their brilliant ideas to bear fruit. So, with the help of an accounting firm called Arthur Andersen, and the blessing of the S.E.C., they applied a short-term accounting rule called "mark-to-market" to long-term contracts, so that executives could decide how much a new business idea was worth, book it as immediate profit, and then collect a bonus on that profit -- all in the same quarter. When these new businesses instead generated huge losses, executives turned to the world's largest banks to hide those losses -- for a fee. Enron would "sell" the losses to a large bank before reporting its financial results, then buy them back afterward at a greater loss. The bank collected a fee without taking a risk, the bankers got a bonus based on generating that fee, and, most important, the Enron execs rewarded themselves with huge bonuses based on phony -- but consistently growing -- profits. Of course, mark-to-market guaranteed Enron's eventual failure. But consider that the top ten CEOs in America now earn more than $100 million per year, and you realize how quickly short-term gimmicks can create vast fortunes.

The same gimmicks are now being applied to consumer debt. Most mortgages, car loans, and credit card debt are packaged and sold off to investors at a profit within a short period of time, sometimes seconds. Banks create an estimate of how much the credit card debt is worth and sell it to investors, pocketing a profit. Ironically, mark-to-market was developed to prevent companies from hiding losses by compelling them to adjust their portfolios to market prices on a daily basis.

But there is an even greater misconception at work -- a misconception that debt is not what it used to be. That there is "good" debt, for example, and "bad" debt. Tune in to Suze Orman, for example, and she will tell you that a single number, your credit score, is the key to your financial future. But while a good credit score gets you better rates on your mortgage and credit cards, it also opens up the floodgates for more "good" -- i.e., cheap -- credit to pour into your life, and this credit does not usually remain good or cheap for too long. The idea that one should stay out of debt, period, is now considered unrealistic. After all, who lives without debt? The Unabomber, maybe?


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James D. Scurlock studied at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. His first film, "Parents of the Year," won numerous awards and was an official selection of more than 25 film festivals. "Maxed Out," his first feature-length film, won the Special Jury Prize at South by Southwest.

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Usury is a sin. Oddly the one law that Islam and Christianity have
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 24, 2007 12:14 AM   
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in common is true. Of course now, in most places, we live in a secular society, but, the 'money lenders' still need to be thrown out 'of the temple'. In our case we need to eliminate the influence of the banking establishment from politics. We need to bring back laws prohibiting profit from interest. Money is meant to be used as a means of exchange and as a means to hold value. Not as a means to exploit and gain profit from others misfortunes. This is one thing that the two, apparently, conflicting religions can agree on. In the USA and Europe this means getting rid of the elected politicians who hold most dear the banker's interests at heart.

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» That's because Money IS Debt Posted by: mythman
What? Be cool.
Posted by: Vin on Mar 24, 2007 12:53 AM   
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Seriously, I don't know what this is about. I have no credit cards and have no credit towards anything. I have money that I enjoy and do not borrow for any reason.

Be cool, and don't spend what you can't pay back. It's easy, just be cool about how you spend. There is a price for everything.

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» RE: What? Be cool. Posted by: AlienSlave
» Word. Posted by: Coleman
» Right on people. Posted by: slydad
» RE: What? Be cool.Huh Posted by: Krain61
» RE: What? Be cool. Posted by: demiurge
» RE: What? Be cool. Posted by: Gma1
Debt Bomb
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 24, 2007 1:19 AM   
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Look past the Federal Deficit & Social Security. The government has scads more 'off the books' owed and so do states, counties and municipalities. Combine that with deferred/neglected maintenance of critical infrastructure and the future looks very expensive.

A little advice (general). Paper money won't be worth the paper it is printed on when the house of cards comes tumbling down. Paper investments in US denominated stuff will not be, either. Get liquid and get out of debt. As much as is possible , get paper deposits denominated in € to avoid the downdraft of the deflating $. If you have a $ based investment that makes 10% while the $ loses as much on the currency exchange, what growth has taken place?

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» RE: Debt Bomb Posted by: agedcheddar
Instead of Credit for Empoverishment, How About Microcredits For The Poor?
Posted by: ZPaul on Mar 24, 2007 1:38 AM   
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The credit described in this article is sure to destroy us. However, if we have a little vision for making this a better world, we should consider this microcredits-for-the-poor project: www.thegreenchildren.org - It´s not just another loony cause, but was founded by a Nobel Prize winner, and it is working! Sustainable Development is what we need to go for - in our policies, and in every area of our lives.
How about thinking about others, for a change, instead of destroying ourselves with our obsession for things and self-destructive financing of it?

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Unnecessary
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Mar 24, 2007 2:50 AM   
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If you're making enough to afford shelter, food, clothing and life's other necessities, you have no excuse for piling up debt.

People are in this situation because they can't resist the formula "buy now, pay later" rather than living within their means.

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» What about them? Posted by: slydad
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» Real World Finance Posted by: edith
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Jubilee
Posted by: Klaus on Mar 24, 2007 4:54 AM   
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Every 50 years your dept should be forgiven! Now that is one religious tradition I think I could get into!

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An appropriate repeated comment about the dangers of easy credit.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 24, 2007 5:03 AM   
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Forgive me for repeating the same comment on the same day, but in this case I think AlterNet readers will understand considering the subject.

Having been born in 1935, I was lucky to witness America's greatest times which will never be repeated.

Talk about ingenuity! We got to the Moon using slide rules and built a giant economy without credit cards. However, I did miss the Great Depression, which may well be a new experience for me.

Soon.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption (one reason why Bush won’t let Karl Rove testify under oath in the U.S. attorneys’ firing scandal).

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Many Americans are completely screwed
Posted by: ateo on Mar 24, 2007 5:19 AM   
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We have entire generations that have no real retirement savings and huge debts. When social security ceases to exist, as it inevitably will, those people won't even be able to afford the cheapest senior home in America.

I've managed to stay out of debt somehow. It wasn't easy and it meant joining the military rather than taking on student loans in order to finish college. But, somehow, I've managed thus far. It means driving a 99 Civic while my friends drive cars they financed and bought new.

It's impossible to say enough on this subject and many more people need to be made aware of the fact that they are digging themselves into a hole from which they may never emerge.

The system as it exists today cannot go on much longer. Look at what is happening in the home loan industry due to a 10-15% delinquency rate among "high risk" borrowers. Shockwaves through the entire industry. The same is inevitable in the credit card industry.

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» RE: Called out?! Posted by: ateo
Thanks Alternet for the article.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 24, 2007 7:08 AM   
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It's gonna be a long way out. Thank God I always go with low expectations in life in this cruel world.

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college kids and credit cards
Posted by: Beck on Mar 24, 2007 7:38 AM   
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When our son was in college, the student center was filled with tables staffed with students, each from a credit card company, and each table giving away a cool Tshirt, a five-dollar bill, even a card with $200 on it to be used free! My son was offered one of those cards, $200 instantly available that DID NOT HAVE TO BE PAID BACK even though his credit at the end of his freshman year was already horrible. The company that wanted him to take this card was the same company he had defaulted on. They're making too much money to care. And he didn't learn it from us. My husband and I paid off our two properties in less than half the mortgage time, have no credit card deft, and pay cash for cars, all on a very middle-class income. By the time kids graduate, they not only have huge student loan debt, partly because none of the boomers I know saved anything for their kids' college, preferring to spend it all on themselves and their own debt and luxuries, but they have four years' of credit card debt, accumulated at a time that they didn't have the maturity and foresight to understand what they were getting into. I know people in their 40s who are still paying off credit card debt from college. Forget backpacking in Europe for a year after graduating. Graduates now are as enslaved as if they were indentured servants. Which, in a sense, they are. And by the way, the same boomer neighbors of ours who didn't save a penny for their kids to go to school and now "can't afford" to send them, mocked us for paying off our properties early. They want the mortgage interest deduction, and in that bizarre American way of thinking, think it actually SAVES them money. We seem to be a population of people whose brains consist of unrelated parts, unable to connect any dots in our lives.

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» RE: college kids and credit cards Posted by: AlienSlave
jgmurphy
Posted by: armadillo17 on Mar 24, 2007 8:07 AM   
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Obviously spoken by someone who has never had a car break down or a child get sick!

I can't stand self righteous farts who claim that all debtors are people of low moral character. It is redolent of the days when "drunks" were considered sinful. We now know better.

Fopr many poor and working class people, constant debt is a way of life because they are simply not paid enough to get by. Also, false confidence in the economy is created which encourages people to borrow and spend. Then when there are layoffs or unexpected down turns, the rug is pulled out from under them.

If you have not found yourself in unmanageable debt (yet), consider yourself lucky. Not better than other people.

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» RE: jgmurphy Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: jgmurphy Posted by: ateo
John Mauldin on the debt pyramid:
Posted by: rwa on Mar 24, 2007 8:45 AM   
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With financing pulling back at the entry-level, we believe it is only a matter of time until the impact is felt in other price points. If 15-25% of entry-level buyers that would have used subprime financing can no longer obtain funding, does this mean that 15-25% of potential move-up buyers can no longer obtain a buyer for their home, and so on?

In our base case, we assume that 50% of the subprime market is at risk, taking originations back to 2003 levels, which would impact total purchase volume by 10%. Similarly, we estimate that 25% of Alt-A and 10% of prime loans would not be approved under tighter restrictions for various combinations of investor purchases, piggybacks, low down payments and low documentation, and the impending ripple effect down the entire housing market food chain. In aggregate, the total fallout of incremental originations would be 21% over the next one-to-two years.

Related to speculation, investors' share of the market climbed to roughly 18% in 2005 and 2006 from an average of 7% from 1998-2001, implying that a return to the mean would remove 11% of housing demand.

Combining the two yields a 25-35% reduction in peak housing production. This would likely be exacerbated by declining consumer confidence, investor demand falling below historical norms, the risk of a softening economy and supply pressures weighing on demand (all of which seem present today), suggesting at least a further 10% drop...

A drop of 20% in the number of homebuyers that we have seen in the past two years, coupled with a dramatic increase in the number of foreclosures, is going to put serious pressure on housing prices, especially in markets where there was a lot of "froth." And combine that with increased down payments and tighter credit for even credit-worthy buyers, and there is real room for concern.

Consumer confidence numbers are going to start dropping in the coming quarters. I think it is wishful thinking to believe that we will see a bottom of the housing market this month or even next quarter. Housing-related construction employment is going to seriously plummet. Consumer spending is going to take a hit as cash-out Mortgage Equity Withdrawals are going to be increasingly hard to get.

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» Interesting comment... Posted by: rwa
» illegal labor Posted by: Coleman
» Yes, of course. Posted by: rwa
A Workaround
Posted by: BAKslider on Mar 24, 2007 8:50 AM   
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The banks are hungry for suckers but they can play the role too.

Here's an option.

You apply for a credit card at any rate.

You are accepted.

They send you the card and a copy of the credit card agreement. This is usually found in your first monthly statement sent to you by the bank.

Read the agreement. Somewhere in the agreement it will say that the deal is one-sided and that the bank can, at any time and for any reason, change the deal - particularly interest rates, credit limit and monthly minimum.

Next to that paragraph place a very tiny asterisk *

At the bottom of the contract pamphlet, in the smallest you can write put an asterisk and the words, "Me too" or "I also reserve this right." Then put your initials, again small as possible, next to it.

Photocopy the now "amended" loan agreement.

Mail in your payment with the original "agreement." Send the copy to yourself and maybe another to a friend, US Certified Mail.

Do not open the copy you sent to yourself or your friend.

On down the road if ANYTHING changes in your credit card account that is not in your favor, don't go for it.

Mail your credit card company that you refuse the new terms and are holding them to the deal "as amended" and sent to and, by their silence, approved by them.

Odds are, if you made the writing on the deal small enough, they won't even notice your "fine print" and will throw the "agreement" away thinking you are an idiot for mailing it back with your payment.

If they get rough, remind them of the "amended" agreement that they made no comment on and tell them you have sealed and dated copies you will be only too happy to share with them in court or arbitration.

Another concept here is that of an "unsecured signature loan." It means what it says. When they threaten to sue you and place a judgment against you, remind them that the only thing you pledged as collateral for the credit card loan was your signature and politely ask them how many copies of your signature they would like to fulfill the loan. You are making a bona fide offer to repay them with the collateral you pledged.

I'm nuts enough to try it and will report back (probably from GITMO) on how things are going.

There needs to be a Federal Banking definition of usury that is set by Congress, that will fix the problem.

-Greg Forest

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» RE: A Workaround Posted by: AlienSlave
» RE: Not recommended Posted by: ateo
» RE: A Workaround- You are too funny! Posted by: Darrell Kern
US mortgage crisis forces homeowners to take refuge in their cars
Posted by: rwa on Mar 24, 2007 9:20 AM   
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SUE ZEIDLER IN LOS ANGELES

THEY are victims of the United States' growing mortgage crisis - low-paid workers whose homes have been repossessed amid rising interest rates, a stagnant property market and a lax lending regime.

But in Los Angeles, where having a car is as essential as owning a home, many are sleeping in their vehicles to ensure a roof over their head.

Campaigners for the homeless expect more to hole up in their cars as they lose homes due to the problems that have dogged "subprime mortgages" - those granted to low-earners with little capital of their own.

The trend comes despite the fact that sleeping in a car is illegal in the Los Angeles area.

"The subprime meltdown is the kind of situation that pushes people into cars. It's a very common story," said Ruth Hollman, of Self-Help And Recovery Exchange, a group that helps homeless people.

Advocates hope Los Angeles will adopt programmes in place in cities such as Eugene, Oregon, and Santa Barbara, California, that enable people to live in cars while receiving services they need to get back on track.

"It's an old saying in social services that most people are one to six paychecks away from being homeless. But if you can't make your mortgage, it's more like a month or two," said William Wise, of the relief agency St Vincent de Paul of Eugene, which works to find overnight parking spots for homeless people.

Without such spots, people forced to sleep in their cars fear being towed and ticketed by police, as well as being attacked by thugs and facing public scorn.

Emily Love, 61, was sleeping in her car in Marina Del Rey, California, when two youths smashed her windscreen with a shopping trolley. A week later, she was back in the car.

After her car was attacked, the former teacher sat staring at the shattered glass. "I don't like to talk to the cops. They don't like people sleeping in their cars," she said in her car crammed with her possessions, including two cats...

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=457122007

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LIFE WITHOUT CREDIT CARDS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 24, 2007 10:35 AM   
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Revolving debt is a way of life and while it seems to make things affordable it doesn't. In the end everything bought on credit costs more. Items on sale don't matter when you consider the interest down the line. Lending money should be handled like prescribing medication. What are the side effets? A bank statement showing a plus beats a credit card statement anytime. I do not refer here to medical expenses, job loss, etc. Another story. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: LIFE WITHOUT CREDIT CARDS Posted by: dangerouslysane
Classic example by Alienslave
Posted by: ateo on Mar 24, 2007 12:54 PM   
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People just seem to be in love with letting the government borrow their money for a year so they can collect their end of year "wind fall" tax return. It boggles the mind.

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» RE: Classic example by Alienslave Posted by: sydspoetry
even some democrats work for this parasitic mafia
Posted by: yurbud on Mar 24, 2007 1:10 PM   
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Joe Biden co-authored that bankruptcy bill that made it harder for average Americans to escape these guys, and several democrats voted along with the corporate-owned GOP.

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OUR MORAL COMPASS IS WAAYYY OFFFF
Posted by: jgdewey on Mar 24, 2007 1:29 PM   
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You can't blame anyone or anything else except our own moral compass has nosedived into materialism. If indeed, things make you happy(as they never do) and if you're disappointed that the things you have don't make you happy, then maybe more things and bigger things is the solution. ERGO SUPERSIZE, the cars, the houses (think SUV'S great rooms and kitchens that chefs envy) accessorize with jewels and designer this and that, have grocery stores for your pets and warehouses of bargains. This will surely create happiness far and beyond just having the necessities. Course you have to pay for it, but nevermind just charge it or work yourself to death to get it. Get it now, cause if you have to wait you won't be happy. And so it goes. Sadly, the truth is buried under the feeding frenzy of shoppers. What is that truth? You can't buy happiness. You can't discount the path to true contentment written about in the great scriptures of every major religion. Ever see the peace on the face of a Bhuddhist monk? the kindest on the face of a carmelite, the sweetness and joy of a child poor or rich? We are souls, in a body and our entire society is bent on embellishing the body and ignoring the soul the very source of happiness. It isn't really having the things so much as attachment to them and belief in them as a source of happiness.We all need material things, poverty isn't good, but wild excess isn't either. The moral compass is 180 degress off course, and we are going to crash, and it won't be pretty. But it will bring about instant material simplicity. And the adjustment might be just what we need to regroup, I just hope that we can all face it with faith and love and compassion together and learn and move on to a higher and better way of living on earth.

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Need to separate debt types
Posted by: MEL810 on Mar 24, 2007 1:45 PM   
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There are debtors that got into debt from irresponsible spending and buying large ticket items on credit that they did not have the income to pay down. That includes the lower middle class fools that bought multi-100K McMansions and fancy SUVS on adjustable mortgages and car loans.
Didn't they read the fine print and get responsible legal and financial advice before signing on the dotted line? Probably not..They should be held accountable for their foolishness.
In my decent but working and lower middle class apartment community, I see a few Lexus and Beemer SUVS parked in the lot. These folks either won a contest, are drug dealers or they are hyper-extended on debt for an item they had no business purchasing. Probably the latter.
BUT there are people who got into debt because of college loans (college used to be affordable-now it is not.) or because of unforseen circumstances: job loss, medical expenses, etc..
These folks should be given a break. And most of these folks (I am one of them) are doing their level best to pay down that debt, save money and avoid such debt in the future.
Some solutions: affordable medical care, affordable housing that is not at the mercy of housing speculators who get rich 'flipping' properties, more rental housing (much of the rental housing in my area has gone condo and costs the earth), buying used cars or affordable new ones, lowering college costs and making grants and scholarships more easily available, financial education, simple and frugal living education, and finding personal pleasure and identity in ways other than spending and dressing (and living) to impress.

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Vanity and the foolishness of runaway consumerism.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 24, 2007 2:50 PM   
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"We are encouraged to rent things we used to own."

In a town (near Hollywood/Beverly Hills/Encino/Brentwood, etc.) where "you are what you drive," the above quote translates into many people LOOKING wealthy because they drive expensive new cars – which are all leased. That is "have-everything-own-nothing" money down the drain, transferred directly into the accounts of the "1%'ers," corporate owners – money literally frittered away. Everyone I know who has leased an automobile has been ripped off in one way or another, fleeced for far more than they thought they were going to have to pay; and yet, people keep taking on these bad deals for the apperaance of being more than they are. Along with economic stupidity, maybe one of our major problems is plain old vanity.

Is this how we want to live? With the APPEARANCE of wealth, while we transfer what little real wealth we have to those lucky bastards at the top of the economic food chain? And what happens when there is no more money to fritter away, but there is also nothing to show for it? It's not hard to answer that one, as anyone with a memory of 1929 will tell you.

We not only lost an economy in The Great Depression; we very nearly lost America. Franklin Roosevelt remarked, when advised that if his economic reforms didn't work, he wouldn't get a second term, that if his economic reforms didn't work, there would NOT BE a second term.

If we return to that situation again – and indications are that we will – who will save us then? From my perspective, there is not one single individual in government today that has even a hint of the vision, competency, or compassion of F.D.R. Especially compassion.

We're going to have to save ourselves, but I fear that we have forgotten how.

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Many of us have NOT forgotten how..
Posted by: freedomlover on Mar 24, 2007 3:41 PM   
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...and that is what those in power want you to ignore. The politicians want you to believe in Government to save your ass, and the true criminals in corporations have decided that they are SO MUCH smarter than you that they will just let you believe you have a democracy and meanwhile they outwit you in the political arena (by buying the politicians, in whom you continue to believe).

You have done a fine job of identifying the economic stupidity in this nation that leads to ignorant personal financial decisions. Have you bothered to figure out how that came about? I think perhaps several decades of government schools now largely run by tools of teachers' unions may have had some role to play, hmmm? Do you remember the high school course which taught you about credit cards and mortgages and student loans and car loans and the importance of savings and the magic of compound interest, including a quick lesson on the concept of time preference in individual financial decisions? Funny, neither do I. And I was schooled in various small town schools in the Bible Belt heartland of America, where they supposedly "hate" socialism and consumerism.

Anyway, there are more than enough individuals still alive and kicking and innovating and chasing all kinds of dreams and fantasies, many of them focused on helping their fellow man (believe it or not) who have definitely NOT forgotten how to live in a more simple manner, or even live in a more sophisticated manner, off the grid, and off the government teat. I'd say your best bet is to either become one of them, or befriend one.

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» AGREE 10,00% trudenza Posted by: Michiganman
the con
Posted by: john henry on Mar 24, 2007 5:18 PM   
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now one of my kinfolk years ago was a minding engneer an he gathered the data from all the job sigh an he deveploed a sysmet an a bank hired him to deveplo progam for them 30 years ago to sell there ser. an that bank i think was suesis so i guess it worked real for the power brokers so they will have all the ditch digger if we just buy what we need an that all it will be better now hot people has to have the new an you got to have new jeans on a hot ass to set on the new seat in a car or n the couch in the new house that you donot owned the only thing you have is your ass cold or hot its yours

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» GOOd POINT Posted by: Michiganman
Stan Gold
Posted by: sdg3509 on Mar 24, 2007 5:26 PM   
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Dear fellow Bloggers,

It is with great pleasure that I am announcing the national theatrical debut of the widely anticipated documentary, “IN DEBT WE TRUST: American Before the Bubble Bursts“ (www.indebtwetrust.com) which debuted its world premier at the Nantucket Film Festival in the summer of 2006. It is making its theatrical debut at the Little Theater in Rochester, NY on Friday March 30th (for more dates and times please see www.indebtwetrust.com. I, Stan Gold, worked as a postproduction assistant for the film all last summer and am doing the PR for it now.

This movie, directed by the Emmy Award winning investigative journalist Danny Schechter, examines one of the most daunting challenges facing American society: the skyrocketing household debt burden.

Inspired by RIT Professor Robert D. Manning’s book, CREDIT CARD NATION (www.creditcardnation.com), the movie features Dr. Manning’s efforts in promoting student financial literacy at RIT as well as his research on the US consumer debt crisis; Dr. Manning is one of the nation’s foremost scholars in the field of consumer finance and is also the editorial advisor to the movie. The documentary is also being featured this week in CNN’s “The Debtor Nation” series with Paula Zahn.

This documentary offers a wonderful alternative to James Scurlock’s film Maxed Out and is only a small part of the tireless efforts being made by Dr. Robert Manning, Danny Schechter the “News Dissector” and their respective organizations.

www.creditcardnation.com, www.indebtwetrust.com, www.globalvision.org and www.mediachannel.org have joined forces to establish the www.stopthesqueeze.com campaign. Through this partnership, Americans For Debt Relief Now (AFDRN) was created. AFDRN is a collaboration among like-minded organizations dedicated to alleviating the debt burden on American families and raising awareness about the consumer debt issue.

Dr Robert Manning is also the founder of the Center for the Study of Consumer Financial Services (CSCFS) (http://saunders.rit.edu/cscfs/) at the Rochester Institute of Technology where on March 21, 2006 Ralph Nader delivered the inaugural address.

Dr. Manning discussed predatory lending and banking deregulation on the Al Franken Show (AIR AMERICA Radio Network) on Thursday, April 27th. http://www.creditcardnation.com/media/franken.php

Furthermore, Dr. Robert Manning spoke on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart where he discussed marketing credit cards to college students during springbreak. View the "Beach Ploys" segment online!
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/

Please show your support by seeing or hosting a screening of your very own. You can also book a guest lecture with Dr. Manning by contacting Stan Gold, his PR campaign manager, at sdg3509@yahoo.com.

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,

Stan Gold

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Excellent commentary
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 24, 2007 6:44 PM   
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I learned as much as I could from my grandmother and aunt, who had survived the depression, while they were with us. When I was a kid they moved in with my mom, my three brothers and I during a time of great poverty. With almost no food (but mom drove a nice car) we were starving. Soon we had all we could eat and the food budget was cut in half or less. I swear those ladies could feed an army for about ten bucks a day. I learned everything I could. Later when I got disabled, divorced, screwed out of my disability and had a kid to raise besides, I survived somehow, thanks to them. Fortunately, I had bought the house next door - and don't ask me how I made the payments for several years - I couldn't tell you. They were getting 50 or 60 bucks a month in food stamps (since I had been rejected for disability and couldn't afford the doctors to prove it - I wasn't disabled!) and brought more food than we could eat. I one time asked my aunt "If you got everything you wanted - didn't scrimp at all - how much would you spend on food in a month?" Now this was the eighties and prices have gone up, but she got this sly grin like somebody had given her a key to the banks backdoor and said "$26" She didn't have to calculate - she already knew! There are a thousand ways to save a buck - if you are willing to live within - or below - your means.

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A Government Not Doing It's Job Due to Corruption/Wealth Disparity
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 24, 2007 6:50 PM   
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Look, a large part of this problem is two-fold. Usury interest rates due to lack of regulation by the federal government of credit card companies. Of course, these companies funnel millions of dollars into the coffers of political campaign contributions of politicians in order to ensure effective laws to regulate interest rates are never passed (eg, how Hillary changed her vote to favor "bankrupty reform" the credit card companies wanted). Next is the extreme disparity between rich and poor in America and the world wide expansion of class distinction due to "free trade." Wages in America have been driven down as manufacturing has left for the cheap labor of China and India. Once again, the corruption of our government is at work. So-called "free trade" only benefits a wealthy few "American entrepeners" who ship jobs overseas (and realize enormous profits), while the "worker-bees" in America just get poorer and poorer. I said it before and I will say it again, in America money talks, and talks very loud, indeed.

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Banks and other parasites
Posted by: willymack on Mar 24, 2007 6:50 PM   
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There'll come a time when the collective personal debt will be so great that the banks will go down the chute along with their victims, just as a host dies as a result of being bled dry by parasites, or poisoned by their toxins. Our financial system will collapse, new laws will be written, our economy will improve, and the same greedy bastards responsible for the previous debacle will start the process all over again. One thing we Americans don't do worth a damn is LEARN FROM EXPERIENCE.

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And to think....
Posted by: Michiganman on Mar 24, 2007 7:57 PM   
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people sat in a room somewhere and figured out exactley how to screw us. Then used wads of money to get the government to go along with the program, no wait they figured out how to take over the government!
Quik someone get a message to the U.N. We've been taken over! Please invade us and set it right.
SOS! MAYDAY! Tango Victor Zulu Velveeta Underwear,
WE ARE GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!!!

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» RE: And to think.... Posted by: Krain61
Sorry Scurlock, it ain't a mystery and it ain't magic
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 24, 2007 8:17 PM   
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"How could banks keep lending to people who can't afford to pay them back? Doesn't that fly in the face of tradition, if not common sense? " and this artistic gem: "We learn that we are not middle class at all. We are poor. We own nothing. And then, just maybe, we finally ask, "Well, how did we get here?""

How typical of this entire piece which presumes the poor consumer is just a stupid sap who "chooses" debt to begin with then magically it bites the dimwitted consumer in the ass. Uh, yeah, mebbe in Scurlock and Bush's 'Merkuh that happens but in the real world, prices are kept artificially high so the consumer has to have debt to afford basics like shelter, clothing, food, energy, to say nothing of any of the tools or training necessary to work in the first place.

The typical home (and in most places in CA that means a condo not a four walled structure for one family on a piece o' land) costs up to 10 times what the average, I'm saying a-v-e-r-a-g-e person can earn (gross not net) in a year. But if you've been to college and you didn't have wealthy parents that gave you money for it, that "magic" credit score starts out extremely low which means the only way to have an affordable shelter payment each month is a mortgage (because mortgages are still 40% lower than R-e-n-t). But the only mortgage a college grad with debt (training and tools now, not luxuries--I know you Boomers are gonna start bitchin' bout ipods and crap that makes no sense outside middle class wealth-land) is gonna get are the interest-only-for-three-years sub-primes. Ironically, if housing was priced for human beings, or at least equal to the quality of the house itself, and not for investors and uber-elites, most people with even a little of that training and tool debt could actually qualify for a standard mortgage instead of being forced to use the nasty sub-prime. If you think rent is an option, you haven't rented in a long time or you're a landlord and you know the truth but won't admit it. Guys like Scurlock, the middle-class & wealthy class uber elites can't admit it's their fucking fault because they made the mess in the first place. Of course, the consumer has some "choice" huh? Homelessness, or 70-80% of their net on rent (the difference between eating or being homeless usually) or a sub-prime that only takes 50-60% of their net for the first 3 years (plus the absurd hope that things'll change by then and get them a standard mortgage by then). But who sets up those "choices", hmmm... it ain't the consumer, that's for damned sure. I'm sick of hearing rich entitled white people bitching at the poor for making poor choices.

It's high time rich asshats makin' the mess be held accountable for rigging the system so everyone else is screwed. And 'Merkaans better wake up damned quick that being asleep and good sheeple means these dickheads get to keep makin' us all bend over and smile while we get reamed. Mebbe 'Merkaans ought to be marching over to the McMansions of entitled morons at Wharton like Scurlock, and put a stick to their heads and make them clean up the mess they made. In the alternative, at the very least people ought to start calling them out and make them stop blaming the working poor for "choosing" the crap these asshats make them eat.

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It's Just About Making Money and Holding Onto It
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 24, 2007 9:10 PM   
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It's not like the banks and credit card companies purposefully set out with the intent to harm a particular consumer per se. Just like in a bad marriage, nobody ever gets married wanting to divorce, certain things however are simply part of human nature. Have you ever traded options and stocks? You always, always, want more. Pure and simple, people, companies, they are all the same. So the fact that companies or wealthy individuals will try to lobby and get government to act in their favor, with the thousands of tax laws and requirements that exist, why does this surprise anybody? But, when a system gets out of whack you have a big problem. Just like GW Bush not being reigned in by the Repubs. before the Dems. took over. Somebody has to reign in the greed, the endless desire for more. And, this is where government needs to step-in. Not be corrupted out into doing nothing or making matters worse.

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Debt
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Mar 24, 2007 9:22 PM   
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A wealthy accountant friend of mine laughed at a man driving a new BMW.

Why I asked?

His reply, look at him, he has to work 50 hour weeks to pay for that thing. He has to pay $200 for a dealer oil-change or he voids his warranty. Insurance on those are nuts.

I see people who at work at McDonalds with a new cell phone, stylish clothes, new car. How? Credit!
They'll be 60k in debt before they are 20.

The wealthy people are the ones driving the broke down old Toyota to there mansions.

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‘IMF to urge depreciation in dollar’
Posted by: rwa on Mar 25, 2007 9:27 AM   
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BERLIN: The International Monetary Fund will say further depreciation by the U.S. dollar is needed to help correct global imbalances in its latest World Economic Outlook (WEO), Germany’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung said on Saturday.

Quoting from a draft of the WEO, the paper said the Washington-based fund argued “extraordinarily aggressively” for a correction in exchange rates, above all so as to reduce the massive U.S. current account deficit.

The dollar, which slid to a 2-year low against the euro last week, should continue to depreciate in the mid-term, while the yen, the Chinese yuan and currencies of oil-exporting countries in the Middle East should all appreciate, the draft WEO said.

The WEO, which is due to be published in mid-April, will add that there is no great need for further interest rate increases by the European Central Bank, according to the paper.

Thanks to solid growth in the 13-nation euro zone, the ECB would not create problems by raising its main lending rate to about 4.0 percent from 3.75 percent at present, the IMF said. reuters
dailytimes.com.pk

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» Thanks for the report RWA Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
Greetings from Camp Delta
Posted by: BAKslider on Mar 25, 2007 10:25 AM   
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I was trying to underline the fact that in the arena of jurisprudence banks are the only business entity I know of that can get millions of people to sign on to an "open ended" agreement that is definitely not in their best interest.

What I am actually doing here in my small red state town is a survey for a local magazine of all the banks and S&Ls for a "local hometown bank shootout." The questionnaire starts innocently enough with stuff like:

What is your best one-year CD rate and what amount of money in a CD gets this rate?

Do you charge for checking?

Do you have online banking?

As the survey progresses:

Does your bank practice "universal default?

What is the highest interest rate you have on a credit card?

What is your overdraft fee?

And continue with all the other predatory lending practices.

If you thought my last recommendation was lame, try this one.

If you are a Christian, look for a Christian loan officer. While breaking the ice and chatting up before asking about the loan, ask about the glorious walk with Jesus and how much s/he loves the Lord and the Bible.

Then ask your loan officer for an interest-free, "Biblical Loan."

Then remind the officer that the Bible says not to loan money at interest to fellow believers.

Deuteronomy 23:19
Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Deuteronomy 23:20
Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

As you can see bending over heathen borrowers is just fine but you can't treat "thy brother" in faith that way. Make sure the man in the family goes in for the loan - the Bible doesn't say anything about "thy sisters."

All you need to get out of credit card debt is to find a Christian bank. Don't forget to declare you piety on the loan application. If the loan application is refused - well there you go - proof positive that the bank is a tool of the "liberal left" and Satan.


Good luck my friends. More easy solutions later. Keep your powder dry.

-Greg Forest

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» While we are quoting Bible verses... Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
As bad as US, United Kingdom is worse
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 26, 2007 1:41 AM   
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As this fine book points out, there is one country in the world more debt addicted, more ploughed under in debt: and that is the United Kingdom. It is debt central. And as we can see from the daily political crises there, the economic situation is getting set to follow the US.

The UK has lots of corruption: the difference from the US is that it is easier in the UK to hide it. There are fewer obligations to be transparent in the UK. The Serious Fraud Office, which has never made a prosecution, is being shut down.

The UK's fast-rising house prices have indebted most of the country. Inflation is rampant; taxes are shooting up.

Get ready for the UK to follow the US.

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The Shadow Government
Posted by: Krain61 on Mar 26, 2007 1:26 PM   
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It all started back in 1913 but most know that!
Were taxed on everything you can think of!
Who Prints the Money?
The Federal Reserve!
Where does most of our federal tax money go?
To pay the interest on the Printed Money that the fed prints up!
It goes like this: We want let say billion dollars printed up in
$20 dollar bills so the fed prints them up and it cost the fed
about 20 or 30cents per bill and they sell them back to us at face
value which is a billion dollars so if you do the math they the fed
aka{the banks who own the fed} made alot of money.
Last year we paid 285 billion just in interest on the money the fed
has printed up out of thin air. Now remember were no on a gold
and silver standard but more like air standard.
There is a clause in the contract with the fed where we can purchase
back the federal Reserve for just 500 million dollars and instead we
will send them 285 billion just in interest for just last year.
There playing Monopoly and they make the new rules up all the time.
Like higher minimum payments on your credit cards.
They play with the interest to inflate or deflate our ability to pay or play.
If you buy a home and paid 10% down! Before you ever made your first
payment they made all there money back because the banks take your
money and the note and borrow that much more to re-loan out.
They created money out of thin air.If you borrowed $100,000 and 10%
down they now have another $100,000 to loan out even though you
never even made your first payment.

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type in the
Posted by: Krain61 on Mar 26, 2007 3:14 PM   
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The secrets of the federal reserve and watch and learn our future

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FYI
Posted by: Krain61 on Mar 26, 2007 4:09 PM   
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try this one also www.FreedomsPhoenix,com
good stuff here and we all need to educate ourselves and others

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Debt Free
Posted by: jende on Mar 27, 2007 3:55 PM   
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And I revel in the experience. Try it and you'll know what I mean.

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