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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Life Just Got Harder for Welfare Moms

By Juliette Terzieff, Women's eNews. Posted December 16, 2006.


Single mothers are the majority of those receiving welfare. New federal regulations will limit their time for education, time with children, or even domestic-violence counseling.
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Stiffer work and reporting requirements for the federal welfare program Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, fail to recognize mothers' needs for training, education and child care to make their families self sufficient, women's advocacy groups say.

"The new regulations are a continuation of the misguided 'work first' approach that has been the hallmark of welfare reform," says Erin Mohan, public policy director for Washington-based advocacy organization, Women Work! "This strategy forces women into low-wage, low-skilled, dead-end jobs; jobs that don't pay the bills and can't support families."

In order to qualify for TANF, an adult head of household with children must prove she has insufficient means to pay for rent, food and utilities.

Before the latest regulations announced in June, states had leeway in deciding what constituted the 30 hours of work-related activities required of recipients by welfare legislation enacted in 1996. (Twenty of those hours had to qualify as "core" and 10 as "indirect.")

Some states, for instance, allowed career training and university-degree programs to qualify as employment-related activity.

The new regulations, which took effect Oct. 1, either restrict those activities, put new time limits on them or require new levels of monitoring.

"Many of the states who defined work activities more broadly in the past were taking reasonable and responsible steps to address the substantial barriers to employment that women on welfare face," says Mohan.

New Monitoring Required

Women's advocacy groups point to lack of education, job training and access to health and child care as the most common barriers to financial independence. Domestic violence, lack of suitable living conditions and language limitations can also hinder efforts at self-sufficiency.

"These people are literally fighting for their lives, for their children's futures," says Avis Jones-DeWeever, study director at the Washington-based Institute for Women's Policy Research. "Access to higher education is absolutely critical for women who seek to escape poverty. Changes that support this have not materialized because of an over-riding assumption that welfare participants don't have what it takes to make it in college."

The 1996 law ended a federal welfare system that required the federal and state government to pay, in essence, unpaid child support on behalf of absentee parents. Instead, the new law emphasized that single parents were not entitled to this government aid, and must work outside the home to support their families.

The 1996 landmark welfare legislation shifted away from assistance programs and began requiring single heads of households to fulfill 20 hours of "core" work-related activity and 10 hours of "indirect activity."

For households headed by two people, work requirements varied from 35 to 55 hours per week, depending on how many benefits the household received. Work requirements have been in place since the Ford administration, but gradually became more intensive and peaked with the October regulations.

The decade-old law placed a premium on states moving recipients onto payrolls and off government assistance.

Core Hours Go on the Clock

Now vocational education can be counted as a core activity for up to 12 months but must be monitored on a daily basis. Previously, states were not required to monitor compliance and had leeway in determining what activities qualified.

Participating in community service programs and providing child care for another TANF recipient to participate in community service also qualify, but must be supervised by a case worker on a daily basis.


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Juliette Terzieff is a freelance journalist currently based in Buffalo, New York who has worked for the San Francisco Chronicle, Newsweek, CNN International, and the London Sunday Times during time spent in the Balkans, the Middle East, and South Asia.


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Secrets of Welfare are?
Posted by: mite on Dec 16, 2006 1:59 AM   
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#1- An act of treason against the women, children, and men of this Republic (U.S.A.) was the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. On December 23, 1913 a small group of traitors of Congress passed the time bomb for this country. Article 1 Section 8, Congress shall coin money. With the passage of the federal reserve act private individuals became the dictators of this republic.
www.educate-yourself.org `The Truth About The Federal Reserve Banks'

#2- The same time the FED was created there was an act to create a Gestopo-enforcement group named the IRS. Also a direct violation or act of treason against us. This is the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Article 1 Sec: 9 would be a good source to enlighten Congress now. Now comes the good part, ratification for any Amendment (16) must be approved by a 3/4 th majority from every state- I know my state never voted to approve it. How about yours? Did you know when you fill out a W-2 and 1040 form you wave your 5th Amendment Rights. Here is something I know you will not believe but prove me wrong (I researched this for two years) no SS# is required on your employment application and the employer needs not deduct any taxes from your pay and is being lied to by the IRS. Hundreds of people have requested a copy of the law from the IRS, DOJ, and Congress to show they have a right to tax our labor. A reward of $50,000.00 was put in the USA Today if someone coulf provide a copy of the law.

So you see we have been deceived citizens by individuals like the bankers and Congress.

www.givemeliberty.org www.originalintent.org www.devvy.com

What Happen? I would suggest a good read at the following web site if you want to know just how many taxes we pay.

So you see the system of welfare is designed to keep the poor in control of the government. Have you ever asked the question WHY. Why do we have all these CPS laws to take our children away? Why must I have my children vaccinated when their not sick just to go to school? What makes the state think it knows how to care for my child better then me?

I was raised by the state and believe me they only know one thing and it ain't LOVE.


Happy Holidays- mite-

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» false-left conspiracy kooks. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Secrets of Welfare are? Posted by: Dianka
Another Good concept used to Evil application
Posted by: Ajari Bonten on Dec 16, 2006 6:34 AM   
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The idea that persons on public assistance should be encouraged and assisted to obtain the skills and support system that would allow them to become self-reliant is a great one.

Unfortunately, the group in Washington who makes the decision on how that should be accomplished is at best painfully ignorant of the barriers most of these individuals face on that road, and at worst a criminally lacking in empathy or compassion for those most in need.

I work for non-profit tasked with helping individuals on TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families - emphasis on TEMPORARY) and run several employment programs.

The latest round of rules changes coming from the Feds is an obscenity. For ANY level of cash assistance, recipients are required to be involved in an employment activity 35+ hours a week. Now, this does not seem too unreasonable, until you look the allowable activities.

All of the following are allowed for a total of six weeks in an individuals lifetime, with no more than four weeks in a given year:

Job Training
Job SEARCH
Education
Work Readiness training

What IS allowable?:

Volunteer Work
Work Experience (essentially work for free in a government or non-profit agency)

Again, "work experience" IS a good idea, many of the people I work with DO need marketable skills that they might obtain from these experiences, but certainly not to the extent that is being mandated.

What the majority of individuals in this situation need is effective and compassionate instruction in how to work in todays economy, coupled with effective coordination of services designed to alleviate the barriers that are preventing hte individual from reaching their goals.

It is painfully obvious to anyone working within these regulations that the new rules have one purpose only. Make it harder to be on public assistance than to be without it, even if that means working part time at starvation wages.

I don't believe in "No-Strings Handouts" any more than the scariest right-winger; there needs to be a plan towards some level of self-reliance, and an accountability for following that plan. However, it is vital to understand that hte level of self-reliance that is likely to be reached will be different for each individual.

These are scary times to work in this field and we can only hope that our most recent political shift is just teh beginning of the pendulums swing.

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America's Priorities At Work Again
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 16, 2006 6:39 AM   
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Under our government, Repubs. but also Dems., it seems a punitive, harshness, even a "meanness" must be associated with any assistance given out, no matter how meager it is. The thinking presumably is that the lazy, shiftless, the "white trash" and minorities, are just all on welfare because they are too lazy to work. There is also very little sympathy for single mothers who are assumed just part of the above groups. As for the 50% of women who never see a dime of child support, and the millions who never had a chance to even dream about college, many who were often victims of violence and abuse themselves, they are apparently to be damned. Meanwhile, it continues, unlimited billions and billions for unwinnable wars and national security. Billions and billions for defense contractors and K Street "buddies." Halliburton, Boeing, Bechtel, GE CEO's grow rich and richer and poor mothers in Florida or Tennessee have to scramble for breadcrumbs for their children. Don't you just love "the American Way."

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» Its time to take America back Posted by: sheena2u
"fail to recognize mothers' needs for training..."
Posted by: davidbdr on Dec 16, 2006 7:20 AM   
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Sorry but there is no failure here. The government knows full well the result of its policies. There are two things at work here. The first is Social Darwinism and the second is perpetuating cheap, near slave labor for Corporate America. If the US's priorities were education, housing and health care, we would not be in this sinking boat. As long as the simple-minded knee jerks turn blue at even the sight of the word "socialism" we will continue down the dead end path of the "me first-I've got mine- too bad for you" mindset. Eventually, there will be a breaking point where the uneducated and unemployed will revolt because there is nothing left to loose. With all of the new government and police "crowd control" devices in the works, I expect that day will be very ugly for everyone.

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What about welfare dads?
Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Dec 16, 2006 7:26 AM   
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Oh that's right. They get called "Nascar dads". Just as I am fed up with conservatives calling poor women lazy, I am fed up with liberals who call poor dads lazy or even worse "nascar", deadbeat, etc ... Just keep the gender divide alive, left or right, and corporate America will continue to laugh its way to the bank !

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free accessible birth control for all
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 16, 2006 8:27 AM   
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free accessible birth control for all. my question is: why do under-educationed, underemployed or unemployable women WANT to be mother's anyway?!? what joy can there be in motherhood when you can't afford to raise your own child in a sustainable way? it must be so stressful. i say: birth control, birth control, birth control.

for the welfare parents who are receiving assistance, there should be incentives for having SMALLER families, not for larger families.

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» I disagree with you both Posted by: ezilla
education is not just a college degree
Posted by: edith on Dec 16, 2006 8:44 AM   
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while I agree with the theme and focus of the article, I would add that education is not just a college degree or attendance, as the article strongly infers. Many women are high school dropouts or attended poor high schools where the diploma only means they and their classmates managed not to be expelled by their fourth year.

High school coursee taught correctly and then support to attend community or full college must be part of the skill buildup moms with kids and no marketeable skills must have. I know. Why pay for something twice? Well, do the job right the first time. Maybe when the major bankers and commerical interests of the Nation take as much interest in the educational system as the opportunities for innvestments in China or growth in the aerospace industry, we won't have to educate moms (and dads) twice.

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Laziness still exists
Posted by: nosylae on Dec 16, 2006 9:16 AM   
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Living upstate NY I got to see firsthand what poor white trash looks like. And for the majority they are just that - poor, white and trash.

Being a landlord here, I know that most of my tenants that are on welfare are lazy. They sit on their porches or in the street all day and drink and smoke. None work, or even try to. Very few are actually unable to work. The rental rates are still very reasonable and these people can live on $7 or $10 hr . . . IF they didn't own every Dollar Store porcelain figurine and xbox game system known to mankind.

Any money they do happen to come across goes to cigarettes and beer first, then to some crap at the Dollar Store or Walmart and then if they have anything left over they might be able to buy themselves some toilet paper. Luckily I get paid rent directly from the Dept of Social Services or I would never see that money.

I honestly don't know if they gov't makes these people lazy by making stupid rules like the ones in this article or if inherently lazy people just happen to go on welfare and decide to never get off because it's too easy to stay on.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking that birth control will fix this problem either because the local planned parenthood will set you up on DSS or medicare or something and you can get BC for free. These people don't care if they get pregant because it means more handouts from the gov't - and if their babies happen to be developmentally challenged - and they all seem to be, funny isn't it? - then they can get even more from the welfare system.

And don't call me an insensitive conservative - I'm not - I'm just telling you what I've witnessed for the last three years.

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» Don't be fooled. Posted by: edith
» Why does it seem odd? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Why does it seem odd? Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: Laziness still exists Posted by: euchler
» RE: Laziness still exists Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: Laziness still exists Posted by: euchler
» RE: Laziness still exists Posted by: saramarie
A Dickensonian future for all, but for a few, a very good life. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 16, 2006 9:38 AM   
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Bring back the debtor's prisons and work camps! No free ride for anybody! Government "for the people?" BAH, HUMBUG!!

Looks like even without rioting in the streets, all those detention centers Halliburton is building will still come in handy. . .

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We have to look at what is really going on here...
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 16, 2006 10:12 AM   
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As a stressed out single mother...I once went to see an advisor.
This woman had a PHD in counseling. She also happened to be a single mother.

DO NOT get a job- she said...for that is when HER teenage son came home to an empty house and started using drugs and then stealing...then she told me how stressed out she was over school loans and working long hours...

The poor are being punished for having children. The poor are being punished for being poor. Abused women are being punished for leaving their abusive husbands..and teenage girls are being punished for reaching puberty sooner than ever before...and having babies at an age when nature intended them too.

The older a woman gets...the more the rate of birth defects goes up...but in this 'WORK is the answer" culture...we don't want to think about that...

And work for what? To produce more crap to make the rich richer? If it isn't important meaninful work...then stay home with your kids and grow a garden...but the government will not stand for that...that might give us time to think about rebellion and revolution....

We need to change our entire economic and cultural system. We need to put the environment and people first...not meaningless profits for the rich- to get ever richer and richer...


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» I highly agree Posted by: nosylae
Non-mothers aren't getting money for college
Posted by: janvdb on Dec 16, 2006 10:44 AM   
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I have to say that as much as I wish single mothers well, the article you just published on TANF myopically failed to discuss the central inequity in the current system: girls who have babies are now getting significantly more federal financial aid for college attendance than girls who have NOT chosen to become pregnant.

This is fundamentally unfair.

Federal and state money for college attendance and education for ALL -- girls with children, girls without and boys -- needs to be quite substantially increased. This is a movement which gets my unqualified support.

However, I am certainly not interested in agitating for such support exclusively for girls who have prematurely become mothers, as your author suggests.

If those girls who have chosen to bring a child into the world want to attend college, they should compete on an equal basis with all others, including boys, for public money. Our social services offices should have personnel trained to help ALL kids get through the hoops necessary to tap into aid for college.

If those girls with babies cannot get money for college via the same (totally inadequate) avenues open to all, well, they should have to go to work just like their sisters who are competent with condoms do and just like boys do.

The fact is, access to a college education is far too restricted now -- for ALL. Qualified youngsters drop out for lack of money in the millions every year. Letting in only girls with babies really rankles and feeds the deep sense of injustice which the working poor already quite justifiably feels toward those getting public assistance due to an ill-advised pregnancy.

Giving college money to girls with babies while denying it to girls without babies and to boys is exactly the kind of ridiculous government policy which has brought the knife down on the entire welfare system and which exposes the untenable biases of those who blindly campaign for money for girls with babies.

It's not just college aid but ALL aid which needs to be made available to the needy without children on an equal basis to those with children. Being inept with simple contraceptive devices should not become a meal ticket.

Also, social services needs to be authorized to take more of these babies from more of these girls upon birth and released for no-strings adoption immediately, particularly babies after the first, for the good of the children.

Jan VanDenBerg

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» right on! Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: right on! Posted by: mizkaye
» I would go even farther Posted by: AdamG
» janvdb let me explain Posted by: sheena2u
It's about time
Posted by: al92lt1 on Dec 16, 2006 12:39 PM   
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It used to be a disgrace to be an unwed mother or so called "single mom". Now it is a badge of honor and entitlement.
Our country is really in the toilet.
Homosexuality used to be a mental illness, now it's a "cool, alternative lifestyle" What happened to America?

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Purpose of Welfare "Reform"
Posted by: Dianka on Dec 16, 2006 1:39 PM   
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Corporations complained about the shortage of cheap American labor. They could slow down increases in the minimum wage, but couldn't seem to get rid of it altogether. The solution came through welfare repeal. When those policies were enacted, we saw an explosion of bottom-wage/part-time/no benefits jobs, quickly filled by those who had no choice. These welfare policies created a huge pool of workers forced to accept jobs that paid minimum wage or less. Much of this labor has been subsidized by the government, requiring employers to actually contribute no more than $1-$2 per hour for labor. Government has also been quite generous in distributing "minimum wage waivers" to companies as an "incentive" to hire welfare recipients, guaranteeing that these workers would remain deep enough in poverty to still need food stamps and medical benefits...which also effectively keeps them locked into these welfare/workfare jobs. These people have no choice but to accept those jobs. And for the icing on this corporate cake, the government (i.e., taxpayers) subsidizes many of these jobs, actually paying a portion of these meager wages. And contrary to what the general public tends to believe, these workers perform at a competitive rate/quality; if they should lose their jobs, our social service agencies point out, they could actually have their children taken from them on the grounds of :failure to adequately provide". To my knowledge, "adequately provide" is not defined in policy, so it can essentially mean that trying to quit a workfare job could result in the state kidnaping your child. And yes, all of this is in direct violation of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights that we all celebrated a few years back (rarely mentioning that the US refused to ratify this international human rights agreement).
It's a complicated spider's web of policies, but the bottom line to our welfare "reform" is that our government has created a huge poor of indentured servants, saving American corporations billions of dollars that would have otherwise had to be spent (A) on a fair-wage labor force; or (B) on exporting more jobs to foreign nations (building new factories, offices and warehouses, etc.). Meanwhile, the former welfare recipient normally struggles with one job to pay the rent and heat, a second job to pay for transportation and childcare, getting nowhere but closer to an early grave.
Interestingly, even before Bush destroyed the economy, we would read of a business laying off part of their workforce, a trend that has continued. If you could check back with these companies, you might be surprised to find how many of those laid off workers were immediately replaced with super-low-wage welfare labor.
In general, Americans have little concern for our poor. We assume that those who are unable to work because of circumstances, illness, etc., are able to find help somewhere (usually not true), so we don't even discuss reinstating (like more modern nations have) a legitimate welfare system. Meanwhile, this web of welfare policies goes far to not only cut costs/increase profits for corporations, but keeps wages low for all American workers, helping to dismantle unions, etc. Maybe it's time for America to start caring enough to consider how these policies impact nearly everyone in the long run.

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» This is total nonsense Posted by: janvdb
» RE: This is total nonsense Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: This is total nonsense Posted by: ezilla
» RE: Purpose of Welfare "Reform" Posted by: richholland
It's all about Control, Power, and Genocide!
Posted by: mite on Dec 17, 2006 10:34 AM   
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Do you want the truth? Because once one accepts their Denial one must take action or submit to slavery.

Go to these WEB sites citizens of the world; have a open mind and as your emotions of fear and denial surface check them and continue to examine other sources out side the mandated media and educational sources- Go Out Side The Box.

It has nothing to do with Right-Left-Middle, Democrat- Republican it is about Good and Evil.

www.lawfulpath.com `Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars' is a diagram proposed by the ~elite~ to control- condition- and Extermination of those who refuse to submit.

www.articbeacon.com www.educate-yourself.org is sources that exposes century's old secrets that the controlled media fail to bring to our attention. I know I did not believe information on these sites either until I started researching in depth outside the Internet- books, journals, library's. Ask your self as you watch TV, get bombarded by sound, and pictures what is happening inmy brain? Can I be brainwashed and conditioned to think, react, and follow the power of suggestions? The answer is YES.

I suggest everyone get a text book on Psychology 101 and Socialogy 101 and begin a journey into this world of control-power-and genocide. Because these evil individuals will do anything to stop the truth.

www.furnitureforthepeople.com www.freedomtofascism.com

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What is it with you Americans? Or is it just AlterNet?
Posted by: Cathyc on Dec 17, 2006 4:25 PM   
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I don't know, but the more I read the comments on this site, the sadder I feel for you Americans. I really do!

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Yes, Americans are Sad Indeed
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 17, 2006 6:53 PM   
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Yes, I also feel said about America and what it is and has become. To a foreigner, a lot of the problems America has do stand out. Fundamentally, unbridled capitalism in America is so extreme the people are put into camps and categories based on income. At the same time, the country tries to pretend America is "classless" when the opposite is so blatantly obvious. America is known around the world as a country with some of the highest disparities between the rich and the poor of any country on earth. This has all resulted in the crazy American society foreigners see. The "deserving" versus the "cheating poor." The corporate hooligans and loan shark credit card industries. A war fought at enormous expense 12,000 miles from America. It is all clearly insane. In Sweden, the Netherlands, or Australia, capitalism is alive and well but heavily tempered by progressive taxation and societal conscousness of the good. The lack of polarization between rich and poor lessens the placing of the population into classes and camps based on income. Meanwhile, the government provides free and universal education and health care thru college or into a professional career. Vacations are 5 weeks or more and a women can take off to have a baby for many months of paid leave. Day care attracts many of the best educators in the country and is without expense to the parents. Alas, America is a country arguing about scraps for its children and its poor. No money available for what the Europeans have. Yet billions, tens of billions and hundreds and hundreds of billions of US tax money goes off to the military,and into an unwinnable war have a world away. Well, tomorrow is just another day for the bottom line, how to cut expenses, how to shift more jobs to China where goods can be manufactured for $1 a day workers, how to chissel down health care benefit plans. The face of American capitalism is a Darwinian struggle to win at all costs, to support the empire and the machine.

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» RE: Yes, Americans are Sad Indeed Posted by: richholland
Americans ARE sad, spoiled, self-involved and compassionless...
Posted by: asilsfable on Dec 17, 2006 11:51 PM   
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...when it comes to children.

Let me quote janvdb and MAD:

If you can't make it with your kids on the wages you can expect to earn with your skills and education, you shouldn't be having children. You have children despite the fact that you know full well your income won't cover the higher expenses, yes, you are going to be living in a very restricted, precarious, miserable way.

---You never should have had those kids. The economy is the rest of us, trying to tell you something. We don't need your kids. And we don't want to have to pay for them. You think you can ignore reality, you can ignore the economy, you can ignore the rest of humanity and how things work and just insist on your internal urges and pop out that baby and now the rest of us have no choice but to protect you from the consequences of your choices?---

How about the choice of YOU being born? When you are old, infirm and basically in need of consistant and constant care, who is supposed to take care of you? And who is supposed to pay for it?

Medicare is an entitlement program that is going to practically BANKRUPT America. Why? Because you can figure out how long someone will live (just an actuarial exercise) but you cannot determine how sick (morbidity rates) someone will get. What to do with our majority aging population? Who will care for them?

"now the rest of us have no choice but to protect you from the consequences of your choices"
What about the consequences of your last years on the planet--who knows how long?

Children get sick much less, and most states now provide, for a very small amount, insurance for kids. In addition, we've been at zero population growth in this country for years. It's the 'boomers' and their wasteful ways that are the problem--not the 'welfare moms'. Geez. What idiocy you spout!

What about women who are educated and mothers who are suddenly widowed? What about mothers whose husbands were sent off to Iraq and died there or came back maimed and unable to work? What about families who have a sick parent? What about parents who take ill?

Actually, what about average women who simply get divorced? Being a single mom is not a cakewalk; it's a difficult situation to be in and one that deserves support, not condemnation and ridicule by smug so-called progressives.

"We don't need your kids and we don't want to have to pay for them"

I guess that means that you don't believe in elementary, middle or high schools either. So nothing that caters to children is acceptable? Unbelieveable.

Children often have the effect of connecting people to their communities. What connects YOU to your community? What makes you more compassionate? What SOLUTIONS do you offer to buffer your own effect as a 'burden to society?'

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What is laziness?
Posted by: sspsllc on Dec 17, 2006 11:57 PM   
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Sitting on your butt all day and walking around long enough to collect rent from people who don't have jobs for more reasons than you seem to care to elaborate on.

Opportunities to do what? Be racially and gender-specifically discriminated against, shot down in cold blood, or systematically ruled out of what little hokey job market there is because of the bad credit they got when they had to figure out how to live with no money, and still will be doing that after they get a job; IF they get one?

Consider the following from an attorney online:
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» RE: What is laziness? Posted by: nosylae
The truth prevails at last...
Posted by: sspsllc on Dec 18, 2006 12:22 AM   
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I, too, was a single mother who would advise single moms to stay home with their children AT ALL COSTS. There is no "job" out here paying less than $25/hr that is worth it.
My four children, as I tried to go to school and work, were left to the streets because I could not afford daycare and since I had a "job" paying $7 an hour, DFACS wouldn't pay it either. They all dropped out of high school because they had no one to help with homework or even cook for them. They had to live off peanut butter sandwiches while I worked in a restaurant feeding rich people with top sirloin. No wonder the Palestinians are mad--they're seeing the exact same things that we see in America today.
If the "single parents" of which they speak are black women, consider the following: Your ancestors spent more than 300 years working without pay for what you are entitled to now. And you ARE entitled to it.
Our African ancestors already paid the bill. Our tax money that we never got to benefit from until the last 40 years went to pay everyone's bills except our own, and our tax money is still being used to this day to kill, steal, and destroy in America and in Iraq rather than to take care of our people Israel.
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8 though you were a powerful man, owning land—
an honored man, living on it.
9 And you sent widows away empty-handed
and broke the strength of the fatherless.
10 That is why snares are all around you,
why sudden peril terrifies you,
Job 22:8-10 (New International Version).

Note: Though this was untrue of Job, it is highly true of America.
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When
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 18, 2006 12:26 AM   
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When are we all going to realize that we (the American people) are in this thing called life together and that when one of us is held back, we all are? Our government and the morons making decisions these days are not only hard-hearted and greedy- they are just plain old stupid and acting against their own self-interest financially.

You can use old math, new math, fuzzy math or whatever: it is less expensive to invest in people than it is to keep them on the welfare rolls, subsidize them in low wage jobs or keep them locked up in prison. Aside from any moral argument, it makes no sense financially- not a wise choice for a nation approximately 9 trillion in the hole (not counting state, local, corporate and personal debt). We are the debtor to the world and are going to have to make some tough decisions based on financial calculus because we cannot afford greedy Neo-Con Economic Darwinists any longer.

I do not care what Bible, Koran or Torah you thump or do not thump. I do not care what economic or political philosophy you prescribe to. I don't care what party you support or who you did or didn't vote for. I don't care how much you make or how much you pay in taxes. If we do not get our economic act together soon, we are all going to be in the bread line.

One constant that reaches across philosophies, faiths and moral systems is this: you reap (harvest) what you sew (plant). Sew human misery and repression and you will eventually get a bumper crop of the same- with interest. Grind the face of the poor long enough and be careful you do not join them.

When the last poor person has been made broke and homeless- who is going to buy whatever it is you are selling? When the last working wage job has been eliminated, made part-time without benefits or outsourced overseas- what makes you think there will be enough prisons to hold all of the criminals? When millions are ground down like so much chaff, what makes you think that there will be peace in the streets?

Regardless whether you are motivated by morality or hard-headed money sense- it makes no sense to pursue these kinds of policies. The only thing that could possibly motivate someone to knowingly support such policies is a mean spirited hatred for those you do not call your own. Such a heartless and cold attitude not driven by need is nothing short of immoral. It's also contrary to the values that our nation has been built on and aspired to.

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Wow
Posted by: sspsllc on Dec 18, 2006 12:37 AM   
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---You never should have had those kids. The economy is the rest of us, trying to tell you something. We don't need your kids. And we don't want to have to pay for them.---

The person who said that has forgotten something. "We" aren't paying for anything. For "certain" welfare recipients, it was already paid for beginning in 1607 and didn't end until the 1860's. The last 40 years have not even so much as knocked a small dent in that debt. Exposing Reagan's real "welfare queens": Keep in mind that welfare was also a racist institution in America. The hatred of societal welfare was part of race politics. It escalated when black women began to win landmark decisions to be entitled to the same benefits as white women THAT BLACK TAXPAYERS WERE ALREADY HELPING TO SUPPORT. Don't get the story twisted. If welfare need be a form of reparations, so be it. A. The Racist Origins of Welfare: Although much of the American public now views welfare dependency as a Black cultural trait, the welfare system systematically excluded Black people for most of its history. Besides its misguided faith in the family wage, the Progressive welfare movement was flawed by the elitism of the privileged, white activist network that led it. As a result, a defining aspect of its welfare vision was the social control of poor immigrant families and the neglect of Black women. See: http://academic.udayton.edu/RACE/04NEEDS/welfare01b.htm

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