Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Register to Vote: Rock the Vote, powered by Working Assets Wireless
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Generation X's Debt Headache

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted May 31, 2006.


Today, more and more twenty- and thirty-somethings are struggling to stay afloat -- and 'Strapped' author Tamara Draut knows why.
053106_story1
Advertisement

"Government no longer has our back," explains Tamara Draut, author of the recently published book Strapped, in an email. "Young adults today, working to get into the middle class -- they're being hit by a one-two punch: The economy no longer generates widespread opportunity, and our public policies haven't picked up any of the slack."

Her words ring uncomfortably true. As a "young adult" (age 29, thank you very much) from the generation Draut is covering, I've watched more than a few college-grad friends struggle to pay off their towering school loans and credit card debt -- usually on "creative sector" annual salaries ranging from $25K to $40K (while attempting to thrive in notoriously overpriced cities such as New York, Boston and San Francisco).

According to Strapped, Gen X-ers have it much worse than our Baby Boomer parents, because while typical earnings for college grads have stayed the same for three decades, the costs of housing, education and health care have grown exponentially -- much faster than inflation.

The grim financial situation many young folks are now facing is part of a broad governmental failure to regulate the rising costs of higher education, to boost the minimum wage to a livable wage, and to create a sufficient number of full-time jobs -- with benefits -- to ensure that America's massive twenty- and thirty-something work force is healthy and paid well enough to provide for their families.

The result of this sweeping federal failure isn't pretty. Attending college, for many middle-class as well as low-income families, is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" proposition, and in 2003, less than a third of young adults aged 25 to 29 had a bachelor's degree. College is just too expensive for all but the luckiest few to afford -- but not having a degree means difficulty in landing a job. According to Draut, in 1972, the typical male high school graduate, aged 25 to 34, earned $42,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars; three decades later, male high school graduates of the same age were earning just over $29,000.

Because of the scarcity -- and competition to find -- full-time salaried jobs, growing numbers of young people are turning to part-time or temp gigs. During the '90s, the number of jobs handled by temp agencies doubled. And more and more young people are being forced to move back home with their parents; nowadays, four out of 10 people move home at least once after college.

I discussed all of these issues, and more, with Strapped author Tamara Draut in an email interview.

Laura Barcella: What inspired you to write this book?

Tamara Draut: I wanted to counter the conventional wisdom that young people today are struggling financially because they lack a strong work ethic or because they're profligate spenders. There is so much frustration out there among both parents and young people who can't understand why they're having such a difficult time getting ahead. I wrote Strapped with the hope of raising awareness that the challenges facing this generation are not personal, but the result of political decisions made over the last three decades.

LB: What sort of social or economic impact do you hope the book will have on American culture, and young people in particular?

TD: Already the book is having impact. I get countless emails from young people thanking me for telling this story. I've even gotten emails from parents telling me that they now better understand the lives of their twenty-something children. On a larger scale, I hope the book inspires more young people to fight for reforms by showing that the breakdown in opportunity and economic security didn't "just happen," and it can be changed.

LB: Can you give us a brief overview of why exactly "getting ahead" has gotten so much harder for young people today?


Digg!

Laura Barcella is an associate editor at AlterNet.



Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Both of my daughters
Posted by: Lizmv on May 31, 2006 4:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Are paying off college loans right now. Both went to state colleges, so their loans are lower than many of their friends. But still, it is taking a big bite out of their paychecks every month. I help them as much as I can, but as a recovering single mother who never went to college, my own income doesn't go very far.
BUT, both of my daughters have also given up the idea that making lots of money is the ideal life style. Instead they are training for the real future by taking courses in Permaculture and learning how to live 'locally' and gently on the Earth. They are far more fulfilled and happier than when they were employed in corporate jobs.
Our world is changing rapidly and all those college degrees have not prepared our young people for what is coming. We live in a world of dwindling resources that can no longer support the American life style of consumption.
There is a growing culture of young people who have stepped out of the mainstream and are learning to live differently and more joyfully. They are realizing that educational opportunities are found everywhere, not just the college classrooms.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Both of my daughters Posted by: frostedlemon
» RE: Both of my daughters Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: Both of my daughters Posted by: Aussie Kim
In general I agree with the basic issues raised but I must
Posted by: Timba on May 31, 2006 5:08 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
point out that even having a credit card for anything other than true emergencies while you are in college is insane. No easier way to get yourself in financial trouble. No doubt about the articles basic premise though that the playing field has changed and opportunity is just not as readily available as it once was.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» the lure of credit cards Posted by: carissa_aurora
» RE: the lure of credit cards Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: the lure of credit cards Posted by: dannrusso
Oil Debt
Posted by: dougii on May 31, 2006 5:11 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The illusion of the Oil Age is that growth was a given and that conspicuous consumption would get us out of any economic hole. Plot this articles generational time line against the price of oil and see where the wealth was created (1945-1972) and where is was spent (1973-).

The boomers and thier parents continue to suck on the tit of the Oil Age by mortgaging the young, even at the expense future generations.

Oil is for sissies.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Oil Debt Posted by: DaBear
» It's true Posted by: Iconoclast421
notfree
Posted by: losingmyliberties on May 31, 2006 6:00 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You think it's bad now, it's going to get worse. The rich are getting richer, as working person's wages keep declineing. Do you really think they care, they can buy their kids the best education. That's just why we need more guest workers , to increase the profits for the rich, and decrease your living wages! Why do I want to hire you for 15 an hour when I can hire three guest workers for that. Oh and if I do hire you, you must pass your drug screen and back round search. If you fail you lose it all because you broke (big business's) federal law . As the prez saz no child left behind.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: notfree Posted by: Blanktivist
THERE ARE NO GEN X-ERS IN THEIR 20S!!
Posted by: chuckville on May 31, 2006 6:06 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
By definition, Gen X-ers were born beween 1965-1975. That's why there are only 17 million of them, as oppossed to 70 Million "Echo Boomers" or children of Baby Boomers (also called Gen Y, but for no practical reason except the fact that Gen X came before it).

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» I'm so glad ... Posted by: sln70
» RE: I'm so glad ... Posted by: DaBear
» RE: I'm so glad ... Posted by: AmyWW
» Gen Y Posted by: Artkansas
» HE'S RIGHT! THERE AREN'T! Posted by: Scientz
Right on!
Posted by: ladyoracle on May 31, 2006 6:19 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am forwarding this cinterview to my mother. She can't understand why I, a 27-yr old grad student, can't stay out of debt, and yet still pushes me toward the middle class ideal in terms of where I live, how my apt. is decorated, and what I wear. Argh.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» cinterview? Posted by: Iconoclast421
Join the army etc.
Posted by: Bobsays on May 31, 2006 6:19 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I joined the army to save money for my ivy league education and worked in health care to pay off the debt in under two years. I recommend others do the same.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Join the army etc. Posted by: Ski
» Why is it only the non-rich... Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: Join the army etc. Posted by: marcinde
» Ya, army pays for college Posted by: medstudgeek
» RE: Join the army etc. Posted by: PickleBarrel
» RE: Join the army etc. Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Join the army etc. Posted by: rothermelgirl
Happens at the other end of the age stick, too
Posted by: pzo on May 31, 2006 6:34 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm on the front edge of Boomerism, just had my sixtieth BD. I have three daughters who got good degrees from good universities a decade ago, mostly through student loans.

I went back to school a decade ago and got a Masters degree and then a fulfilling job serving others. Because I was the nail that stuck up, I got hammered down - and out. So now I have a $25,000 student loan and am of an age that is often discriminated against for nothing other than age. Many months of job searching has been very discouraging, and obviously I have no health insurance and won't qualify for Medicare for another five years. And BTW, I have no significant assets, have live pretty frugally for the last 15 years, and don't own a home.

Although the author here compares today's 20 and 30 somethings with my generation, my generation looks back on our post-WWII parents with amazement. When one income could support a family well and pay for college, when a bachelor's degree was an E ticket to comfort and stability. When I look at the accumulated assets of my parents, a photographer and teacher, I am astounded.

I'm not trying to compare pain; I agree very much with these conclusions presented here. I have grandchildren that I am very concerned about.

I would like to add my own observations about why this dilemma exists. One is multifaceted with many sub-causes, the effects of a too large labor supply. Immigration rates were low from the 1920's through the 60's, then started reaching historical highs again. Eventually, those immigrants or their children started competing for the same good jobs. Not bashing here, just supply and demand facts.

After WWII, most women stayed home and raised kids, after the 60's that became an anachronism and women really headed for the marketplace in massive numbers.

On the demand side of the equation, funds spent on R&D from both private sector and government has fallen. R&D is seed money, creating new technologies and new jobs. Workers have not been sharing in the productivity increases for the last thirty years. Those profits have gone to shareholders (think tax cuts, too) and CEO's.

Meanwhile, back at the Wall Street, bankers have been snorting at the governement backed student loan trough, oink oink. And credit cards that used to have interest rates half of what they do now, and late payment fees three times of a generation ago, get a green light from a corporate run Congress.

If you would like a long, depressing, and often boring read of what is happening in America, get "Wealth and Democracy" by Kevin Phillips. A true conservative of the old school, he lays out how the US is the fourth great post-Rennaisance (sp?) economic power, and like the previous three, is in decline once we discovered arbitrage and finance and let manafacturing go to, in our case, China.

I know that the world is much different that the one I grew up in. China was exotic and very far away, thus protecting good union jobs. Women and minorities have the legal right to any job (thank God!) that they wish to try for. We email and fax instantly all over the world.

We can't change these facts, but we can reclaim the wealth that we have created and is being siphoned off by the coupon clipping class. We can reclaim protection from financial predators. Everyone can get a huge "raise" by switching to a national health care plan.

The predator class has gotten many to vote against their own best interests while sipping Pina Coladas by the pool.

Maybe the American public got what they deserved, because in the end, many have voted for their own misery.

Paul

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Thanks, Paul, for an excellent commentary. Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Coupons=stock certificates Posted by: medstudgeek
» Back to you, DaBear Posted by: pzo
saint
Posted by: b4upoo on May 31, 2006 7:07 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We do need to live within a graceful and enjoyable society. Obviously that involves government effort and encouragement. However we have a contrary vector to be concerned with. As an example our highway system was encouraged by the government at the end of WWII as a way to put returing soldiers as well as war related workers back to work. What we got out of that were dieing inner cities and a nation fixated and addicted to automobiles. So the question becomes can we plan anything at all to help our nation when the consequences are impossible to predict?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

UncleSam'sMisguidedChild
Posted by: Ski on May 31, 2006 7:09 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What are you Bobsays? A freakin' Army recruiter? The only thing anyone is going to get if they join the Army is a one-way-ticket to IED carbomb land. Your nutz.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: UncleSam'sMisguidedChild Posted by: Bobsays
» RE: UncleSam'sMisguidedChild Posted by: medstudgeek
bikey
Posted by: bikey on May 31, 2006 7:42 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is an empire that eats its own. Use your excellent educations to move abroad where the jobs have gone, and help other humans in the process.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: bikey Posted by: quirkygamer
» RE: bikey Posted by: quirkygamer
Join the Army ?
Posted by: fenix on May 31, 2006 8:02 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Young people should join the army to provide some sort of stable higher education?

It seems that all the propaganda has worked then!

Bring us your young and your poor, and we'll send them off to fight for the global dominance of Corporations. (because that was the only option we left them ha ha ha)

Now, in some countries, you might be able to make that statement and it would be true. Serving your country is actually an honorable thing that produces good things for others on this planet. Now before you go saying that I am bashing the military, please read carefully.

I believe in serving our country, when it is actually serving our country. But, I do not see any benefit in serving our Corporations, with the lives of the countless young and poor that have very few other choices.

If, every 18 year old was required to take a turn in the military; then we would have the daughters and sons of Senators, Presidents, and Corporate CEO's out on the lines. Do you think the corporations/ government would be so willing to hand over the countless lives of our young. I don't think so!!

But now, they have us so brain-washed that we actually think that it's OK?

Serving our country would mean that we would do things like:
Rescue and Rebuild New Orleans
Oh wait that was the Army Corp of Eng. that lied about actually building good levies. And the phrase, "No iraqi left me on a rooftop," brought us new meaning to where in the heck are our priorities.

Realize that we are there to help innocent civilians in other countries, instead we act like we are their savoirs and deliver sticks and carrots based upon our "stress levels" at the moment.

The worst thing about all this military entrenchment of the poor, they end up taking the heat for the actions of the clean suits that call the shots. They live with the actions that they commit because they are told to. They live with the broken bodies and broken minds. The suits live with all their corporate domination, and could care less about the lives of our poor young Americans!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» "Ha ha ha" Posted by: Allison
» RE: Join the Army ? Posted by: motherbear
» RE: Join the Army ? Posted by: Bobsays
Serving the State?
Posted by: ChrisBieber on May 31, 2006 8:13 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
..so whose the conditioned serf who WANTS to serve the State???

remember debt is slavery..that is the goal...

the State ENFORCES laws...of debt obligations...

and this article and board WHINES and refuses to link the fact that MORE LAWS equals LESS FREEDOM..

they also whine about the move towards INDIVIDUAL responsiblity and away from COLLECTIVE responsibilty..

THAT is the mindset of servants/serfs/slaves....

PS: how many times is the WORD "education" used in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights???

Hint: it is used as many times as the WORD "democracy"

it(the WORD "education") IS used in SOCIALIST Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto's 10 Planks(it is the 10th Plank..the RIGHT(given by the State)to free education)

With the US legally adopting ALL of the Communist Manifesto's 10 Planks as law in this country, who actually WON the Cold War????

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Huh? Posted by: Allison
» RE: Huh? Posted by: hms2004
» RE: Huh? Posted by: fortlib
» RE: Huh? Posted by: polyquat50
The Bill is Coming Due & It's A Monster
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 31, 2006 8:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is an awful lot of finger-pointing going on, but the fact is that whatever happened-- for whatever reasons-- the effects of decisions made long ago are now squarely in our national face.

There are 2 great questions posed by this problem:
1- What am I going to do personally to take care of myself and my loved ones?
2- What do we need to do as a people to correct the problem?

Peak Oil, lack of a coordinated national energy policy, massive personal and public debt, lack of investment in infrastructure, an outdated and dysfunctional education system, no social safety net, a market open to slave-wage labor, an aging population and a warped tax structure are some of the factors that have combined to bring our country to this point. We cannot undo what has been done. All we can do is ID the problems, address them and get on with it. If our nation keeps it's head in the sand it will be our undoing.

Straightening out this mess and dealing with the consequences will be the great generational challenge for everybody alive today. We have to decide what kind of future we want, prioritize the things needed to get there, work very hard and stick with it-- together. It's not a time for lone wolves or fragmentation.

I really believe that the next 2 elections (2006 & 2008) are going to be the critical point for our nation for the balance of all our lives. We as a nation and a people are at a crossroads and are going to have to make some hard choices. Doing nothing will assure the continued decline of our nation into an increasingly stratified society in the face of intense international competition. That is a formula for disaster.

The clock is running.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Thank You
Posted by: DeeBlackthorne on May 31, 2006 9:01 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I really appreciated reading this because it makes me feel like I'm not the only one struggling. I went to graduate school for a Master's degree in counseling. What I found in my job search is that many, many places won't even take entry-level positions for graduates who don't have a social work degree (LCSW). Funny, I thought social workers made even less money than a standard-issue counselor, get burned out 10x faster, and get stuck in case management. I kept hearing that Kentucky is still behind the curve on reimbursing MFTs (marriage and family therapists) and other types of clinicians, and I had to sit down with the licensing board lady who thinks MFTs have gone a long way, only to give her a good reality check: maybe not, sister. And I'm still hurting in the process.

I'm en route to working a part- and a full-time job just to make my expenses. I laugh a bit because I thought four years ago that have a Bachelor's was gonna make me all hot and that employers would race to get me. It's just not true, and I think students need to be made well aware of that.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It's a "hard knock life."
Posted by: playitsam on May 31, 2006 9:25 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The high cost of college isn't exactly new. While I understand that college costs have gone up and that loans have to be paid back, the interest rate is overall very reasonable. Recent college grads are hardly alone in dealing with stagnant wages and high health care costs. In addition - go ahead and try to get a job if you are over 50. As a person in that situation, I can tell you that it's not a pretty picture no matter what your degree or experience. At least that is one problem a recent college grad doesn't have to deal with. The fact is that the "creative" sector has always been low end. Right now we are in desperate need of engineers, scientists, mathematicians and health care workers. Has anyone looked at what nurses are being paid right out of college? Government is also looking for workers as people retire, and both the money and benefits are very good. One thing that hurts a lot of recent grads is their high credit card debt. Learning how to cook for oneself and taking coffee from home goes a long way towards saving money. My son and his girlfriend - both college grads and both in the "creative sector" - do a lot of thrift store shopping. He bought a home that needed a lot of work and did the work himself. It is possible to live well without spending huge amounts on luxuries.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Yea, been there Posted by: Gregor
» RE: It's a "hard knock life." Posted by: jeanniedean
Read the reviews the link takes you to
Posted by: DaBear on May 31, 2006 9:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Marcia Clark Ghostwriter review tells all. Apparently Tamara Draut didn't do her homework (god, I hope she's a Boomer so I can keep being mad at them). She actually uses examples of thirty somethings with incomes of $160K and failed to interview anyone else? With help like this who needs that damned koolaid? We need to write our own book, by GenX, of GenX and for GenX... and offer real solutions like armed revolt and other end our pain quick by killing those that are killing us and all that good rambo stuff they fed us back in the '80's.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Why is College a Necessity Anyway?
Posted by: OutdoorsPro on May 31, 2006 10:06 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There are two things that contribute to the problem that are not addressed in the article:

1. Our culture has changed since 1972 (the date of comparison in the article) to one where a college degree is considered essential. There are far more college graduates than in 1972, so there are far more people who feel that in their first jobs they deserve a higher wage than non-graduates. Of course the average wages are going to decrease!

Considering that fewer than half of all college grads ever work in their field of study, it seems that our emphasis on that expenditure of time and money is a bit over-blown. What we need to do is move our society away from this silly idea that EVERYONE should go to college, when on-the-job training and vocational school would serve a large percentage of college students more effectively and cheaply.

2. The other reason so many young adults find themselves in financial trouble is the expectation that they deserve to have the latest car, nicest new home, plasma TVs and all the other expensive toys.

In the past, a young couple just starting in life would be expected to live modestly, acquiring life's luxuries as they matured and grew in the world. Now, you see 20-somethings in huge houses, driving the nicest SUVs and taking luxury vacations--whining about their debt!

Give me a break.

BTW, a starting salary of $29,000 for the first real adult job is pretty darn good; unless, of course, you feel you HAVE to live in the most expensive city in the country and you absolutely HAVE to have everything RIGHT NOW.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» The Good Old Days Posted by: VisionQuest
» RE: The Good Old Days Posted by: mdf1960
» No, give ME a break. Posted by: jem
» RE: No, give ME a break. Posted by: billfaster
» New Math Posted by: jem
» RE: Ignorant Posted by: Jasonix
History Lesson
Posted by: WitchyNy on May 31, 2006 10:33 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My parents-
who were 21 years old in 1950, paid five hundred dollars for a housing lot in Seattle. They built a nice large new four bedroom two bath home with two fireplaces for twelve thosand dollars and paid 3 percent interest until it was paid off...in 6 years.

My mother had a high school diploma and my father was a high school dropout...due to WW2. They both had well paying working class jobs with total medical and dental coverage for them and their children.

When I was 21 years old-
in 1970, I rented my own apartment for $80 dollars a month and got paid the min wage- $3.60 an hour. A new Beetle Bug cost three thousand dollars and a tank of gas was $3.00. A visit to the doctor was about 20 dollars.

School loans were something most students did not usually pay back. The government did not bother to hassle young people about it..as it was considered a good thing to have a well educated population.

Also... the college I went to in California..was FREE. No tution. I think it was governor Ronald Regan who put a stop to that.

My 21 year old son-

is a senior in college. He has huge school loans to pay off...and will have more before he is done. His school area apartment he shares with three other people costs him $500.00 a month-and he does not have a car.

He lives at home summers. The cost of basic housing around here is about two hundred thousand dollars. The min wage is $5.15 a hour. A visit to the local doctor is well over a hundred dollars.

The rich are getting richer and the poor and getting poorer and we better do something about it while we still can.

It is not that I want to even expect my parents lifestyle for my children. I don't mind them wearing used clothes or eating out of my garden.
I would like free medical coverage and affordable housing and free college..you know...like they have in CUBA!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: History Lesson Posted by: abido0
» RE: History Lesson Posted by: Gregor
» RE: History Lesson Posted by: jem
» RE: History Lesson Posted by: billfaster
GET REAL
Posted by: harinama on May 31, 2006 10:41 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I graduated in '89 with a dual BS in psychology/ anthropology. What did that get me THEN? a minimum wage job at $4.25/hour. Now THAT is crap, and unliveable, but somehow i got by, and even paid off my student loans. Slowly, i got better jobs, and do pretty well now.

I am sick and tired of pos graduates whining that they have massive student loan debt AND credit card debt. While I agree that the imperialist fascist bastards in power right now have devastated important social programs (such as Pell Grants), thus destroying the very fabric of this country, I can't help but also believe that many students bring on hardship to themselves.

Students need to learn budgeting and frugality early in life, and WAIT to get a credit card until they are out of college(i waited until i hit 30 to get a blood sucking evil plastic death card).



The labor market has ALWAYS been tight (unless you want a "service" job flipping burgers), so this is nothing new.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: GET REAL Posted by: Krotos
» RE: GET REAL Posted by: mclare
» RE: GET REAL Posted by: fork
» RE: GET REAL Posted by: jbohland
But 'the beast' is starved. Some call that social progress.
Posted by: Sojourner on May 31, 2006 11:05 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There’s little satisfaction is saying, “I told you so” although one satisfaction in growing old is knowing that I did. Nowadays, I’m limited to criticizing simplistic solutions. This thread shows there are no simple answers now.

My active adult years witness to the very dynamic that “Strapped” describes. Public policy under the GOP has been anti-public. We are now so saddled with debt (all part of the plan) that I wonder if we ever again can duplicate the financial recovery under Clinton that lessened its burdens. A price for Clinton’s surplus was the ruthless elimination of our social safety net.

The costs of citizen suffering are now borne by those least able to tolerate them. Can those who can afford to, keep running away from those costs? Certainly not without Mother Earth’s protest.

And the public results get more dramatic everyday on the balance sheets of social scientists. Name it: education, health care, etc.; we continue to fall behind other industrialized democracies.

Instead of social welfare, we are hiring law enforcement and building prisons. Yet some call that social progress. That's really twisted.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Leftist nonsense
Posted by: mdf1960 on May 31, 2006 11:07 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"College is just too expensive for all but the luckiest few to afford "

Nonsense. If you live at home and attend the Cal State System, your cost is less than $4,000 a year.

And what's wrong with some modest borrowing if college increases your income?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: solesurfer
» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: abido0
» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: RobW
» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: terihu
» RE: Leftist nonsense Posted by: MattR
And your a slacker
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 31, 2006 11:22 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Having lived through all of this, and thanks for this terrific article, the thing that pissed me off the most was how all through the 90s, as I was being shunted from one failed tech company to another and watching my life turn into a dept ridden desperate attempt to make enough money just to pay my outragious rent, the corporate culture was calling me a "slacker".

Yea, I'm a slacker. Funny how I was working my arse off the whole time.

Seems to me it's not just that the political culture of greed has stolen away any chance of this generation pulling itself out of dept and poverty but how the culture actively attacked the Gen-Xers.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Another generation clarification
Posted by: jajohnson2 on May 31, 2006 12:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just as there is confusion about who/what is Gen X vs Gen Y, I think labelling everyone born between 1945 and 1962 as "Boomers" gives rise to some misunderstanding. True, we were all part of the post WWII demographic bulge but, in terms of values, we are really two different generations: the first was very idealistic (hippies, anti-war and liberation movements); the second, labelled the "Me Generation" was, in many ways, antithetical to the first.

I get tired of hearing about how us Boomers have "sold out" our values. The people I know within my age group (in our 50's and 60's) may not be out demonstrating in the streets anymore, but we are still living our values and trying to make the world a better place.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: No Billionaire Left Behind Posted by: billfaster
29K is a good salary
Posted by: fenix on May 31, 2006 1:16 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think I might have to wonder about that. First, having a budget and living within your means is extremely important!!

But the current climate in which we all live in, things have changed rapidly in the past 6 years (Gee what happened 6 years ago?)

Just two years ago, Montana had an average income around 29K. We were listed as the 48th poorest state as far as income goes.

Currently in NW montana you are dealing with these costs:

Rent averages $500 per person (per room) If you go ahead and find some roomates for the extra closet, you might bring it down to $300 / month / person.

In the last two years, the recent explosion of the wealthy buying most every peice of land that is useable in Montana has brought the average cost of a mediocre home in the area to $230,000. Just 6 years ago, you could buy lots of decent family houses under $100,000. The wages have stayed the same, except that there are more jobs in construction that are keeping things afloat.

How is it possible for younger people (those that had no assets before this jump) to take on a 230% increase in housing in two years?

Now, these local people; some who have lived her their whole lives in this state can not even afford to own a peice of land.

Of course they could move to the East Side of Montana, there is plenty of cheap housing and land in places where you will never find a job.

We have to live where there are jobs! So, what's a person to do? Drive a vehicle that breaks down every week? Go to the Food Bank? Buy used clothing for themselves and their children?

The problem is, they were already doing that!

As John Trudell says, "Banker Man's got the deed to the land,.. and the poor get more poor, more poor, more poor"

This idea of individual responsibility has become the sword that has cut out America's heart.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Part of the Grand Plan
Posted by: Sandra on May 31, 2006 2:04 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Looks like corporate America and the Military Industrial Complex got together and figured out to get massive numbers of people for cheap labor. You can't afford to go to college and you can't find a job that pays a living wage. You can't afford healthcare. What's the answer? Join the armed services and if you don't pay with your life or survive with some long term disability, you may be able to get a college education and some technical skills and compete against other countries with people with techical expertise and lower wages, commonly called job outsourcing. You can also compete for jobs with illegal immigrants. Why don't families and young people realize that they provide the cannon fodder for the war machine and the renewable cheap labor force for big business. Got time on your hands? Work to kick the bums out of office. It's not worth your life for people to drive gas guzzling cars, waste natural resources and consume, consume, consume.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» kick the bums out of office. Posted by: Lincoln fan
GENDER (no, I am not cry0fan)
Posted by: fork on May 31, 2006 3:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Today's generation of twenty- and thirty-somethings are experiencing the fallout of a three-decade-long shift in our culture and politics. A generation ago, three factors helped smooth the transition to adulthood. The first was the fact that there were jobs that provided good wages, even for high school graduates. A college degree wasn't necessary to earn a decent living."

"Back in 1972, the typical 25- to 34-year-old male high school graduate earned just over $42,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Three decades later, male high school graduates are earning just over $29,000. "

"TD: A generation ago, a young person entered the labor market on an escalator. Young workers could count on a swift and stead progression in their earnings. "

Note that no mention is made of gender until it's time to pull out the stats. I wonder if female high school graduates back in '72 earned 42 grand in inflation adjusted dollars, or whether it was closer to $29,000. I wonder if women could earn "a decent living" in a pink ghetto job (as it was called then). I wonder what their health benefits and pensions were like. I wonder if they saw a "swift and steady progression in their earnings" or if they were passed over for promotion (after training a male to oversee them).

The "shift" seems to be a result of men's working conditions deteriorating to the level of women's.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Gender Pay Differences Posted by: pzo
STRAPPED
Posted by: Cardinal Spellman on May 31, 2006 5:09 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Umm, this article appeared in alternet last November. Why are you guys rehashing old stuff ... or is just to replug a book

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: STRAPPED Posted by: fenix
What can be automated?
Posted by: CourtneyGQuinn on May 31, 2006 5:13 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What happens in a future where almost everything is automated and done with robots/computers/software? Higher education is the perfect example of a job that could become much more productive with computers. How cheap, quick and easy would it be to record, archive and translate every teacher/prof's lecture onto the internet for everyone to benefit from? The highly paid, unionized baby boomer academics who occupy positions of influence in universities/colleges aren't interested in providing free education to each and all via the internet. The media and unions say we- the western world- are competing with the likes of Chinese and Indian workers and we're facing a losing battle.....nonsense, even the lowest paid workers oversees can't compete with a robot worker. Political, business and media "leaders" aren't facing up to the fact that a highly automated future is coming into existence. A new "New Deal" needs to be established that recognizes jobs being outsourced to robotic workers.

In many respects certain industries have become less productive over the years. Here in Canada we now have an amount of railroad track equal to the amount of track we had in 1915... 71 000 kilometers of track. Over 20 000 kms of track has been removed over the last 30 years. The amount of railcar operating on those tracks has gone down from 126 000 railcars to less the 95 000 railcars over the last couple of decades. What's the point you're wondering? One sector of employment that's seen a large increase in the amount of jobs the last few years has been big-rig trucking. Note that one train can carry the equivalent of 200 trucks. Creating make-work jobs such as trucking is not only stupid in the productive sense...but think of the extra environmental pollution coming from all those big rigs.

Another sector that provides many jobs but has seen a decrease in productivity in recent years is the pre-manufactured homes market. It's much more efficient to mass produce homes in an assembly line manner. Rather then having plumbers/painters/framers/roofers/electricians/ect going from job site to job site, more homes could be built quicker, cheaper and faster in automated factories. 100 years ago you could buy a pre-made home in a Sears catologue and 30 years ago a greater percentage of homes built were of the factory built type. Why did the economy/market move away from the productive, efficient factory homes and railroad?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

reality check
Posted by: JA on May 31, 2006 8:27 PM  &nbs