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Why the Dow is Hitting 10,000 Even When Consumers Can't Buy And Business Cries "Socialism"

By Robert B. Reich, Robert Reich's Blog. Posted September 24, 2009.


How can the Dow be so far up when every business and Wall Street executive is screaming about government crushing the economy?
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So how can the Dow Jones Industrial Average be flirting with 10,000 when consumers, who make up 70 percent of the economy, have had to cut way back on buying because they have no money? Jobs continue to disappear. One out of six Americans is either unemployed or underemployed. Homes can no longer function as piggy banks because they’re worth almost a third less than they were two years ago. And for the first time in more than a decade, Americans are now having to pay down their debts and start to save.

Even more curious, how can the Dow be so far up when every business and Wall Street executive I come across tells me government is crushing the economy with its huge deficits, and its supposed “takeover” of health care, autos, housing, energy, and finance? Their anguished cries of “socialism” are almost drowning out all their cheering over the surging Dow.

The explanation is simple. The great consumer retreat from the market is being offset by government’s advance into the market. Consumer debt is way down from its peak in 2006; government debt is way up. Consumer spending is down, government spending is up. Why have new housing starts begun? Because the Fed is buying up Fannie and Freddie’s paper, and government-owned Fannie and Freddie are now just about the only mortgage games remaining in play.

Why are health care stocks booming? Because the government is about to expand coverage to tens of millions more Americans, and the White House has assured Big Pharma and health insurers that their profits will soar. Why are auto sales up? Because the cash-for-clunkers program has been subsidizing new car sales. Why is the financial sector surging? Because the Fed is keeping interest rates near zero, and the rest of the government is still guaranteeing any bank too big to fail will be bailed out. Why are federal contractors doing so well? Because the stimulus has kicked in.

In other words, the Dow is up despite the biggest consumer retreat from the market since the Great Depression because of the very thing so many executives are complaining about, which is government’s expansion. And regardless of what you call it – Keynesianism, socialism, or just pragmatism – it’s doing wonders for business, especially big business and Wall Street. Consumer spending is falling back to 60 to 65 percent of the economy, as government spending expands to fill the gap.

The problem is, our newly expanded government isn't doing much for average working Americans who continue to lose their jobs and whose belts continue to tighten, and who are getting almost nothing out of the rising Dow because they own few if any shares of stock. Despite the happy Dow and notwithstanding the upbeat corporate earnings, most corporations are still shedding workers and slashing payrolls. And the big banks still aren't lending to Main Street.

Trickle-down economics didn't work when the supply-siders were in charge. And it's not working now, at a time when -- despite all their cries of "socialism" -- big business and Wall Street are more politically potent than ever.


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Robert Reich is professor of public policy at the Richard and Rhoda Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley. He was secretary of labor in the Clinton administration.

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Reich not Geithner
Posted by: weathered on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM   
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in the Cabinet.

Goldman Sachs has NO business in the public sector, they're dirty

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Another Bubble! Nice doing, Keynesian government retards.
Posted by: Old Horse Being Put Out To Pasture on Sep 24, 2009 2:23 PM   
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...and it's in the stock market again. Oh, okay...

Well, what _else_ are people and banks going to do with their cash reserves? Housing? No way, the price is gonna go down for sure, that bubble is over. Well, the stockmarket might just fit the bill. Everyone's piling in, blowing up a nice, fat bubble yet! again! Don't expect the upwards trend to reflect _real_ future earning estimates. I strongly suspect this time it's not going to last as long as in the 90's though.

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» Mussolini called it "corporatism" Posted by: scheherezade
Anna One Anna Two
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Sep 25, 2009 12:48 AM   
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From the folks who brought you the last bubble and the bubble before that it's...more bubbles.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: Anna One Anna Two Posted by: willymack
What about inflation?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 AM   
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If a company is valued at $100 million worldwide and the dollar (along with every other currency) tanks because of massive deficits, yet the company is still as valued now as it was before then the stock price will adjust to compensate for the diminished purchasing power of the dollar.

Its called inflation.

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A basic course in finance kind of gave me the answer a long time ago.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Sep 25, 2009 4:04 AM   
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Robert Reich is right that when consumers spend less then the only way for companies to still survive is for government to take our taxpayer money and give it to those corporate welfare pigs and they'll do it with fewer strings attached. Make no mistake. Wall $treet loves "socialism" for themselves that is. But that is only half of the story.

Another lesson taught in the basics of finance is that a company that gives higher priority to stockholders instead of its employees is supposed to be worth more. In other words, whatever amount of money stockholders want the company gives it to them even if it has to slit its own wrist by cutting employee pay and benefits or even laying employees off and replacing them with ones who will accept near slave wages. Unfortunately, society is still hooked on gambling on the markets which is what Wall $treet wants and needs at all times. If fewer people had traded on the market, the chances of companies actually giving respect to their employees and customers and giving lower priority to stockholders would be better.

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Changes??
Posted by: richholland on Sep 25, 2009 4:09 AM   
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1. all over the world bankers and bonusses as usual.
2. thousands of desperate people willing to work for lower salaries.
Brave New World.
3. since the collapse of the Sovjet Union the leftis spend their time discussing wether or not to eat meat.
How much dishes a feminist can wash daily.
Reading Alternet.org proves their is no political organization fighting Vulture capitalisme in the USA.

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» RE: Changes?? Posted by: clvngodess
» RE: Changes?? Posted by: richholland
Sorry Robert, but you are wrong on this one.
Posted by: Farasien on Sep 25, 2009 5:02 AM   
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Let's look at the situation again... the market is up, jobs are down. Bankrupsies and foreclosures are up but profits are expanding. Why? Because the super-rich are manipulating the markets, making profit off the pain of the people. Again. Government is being blocked from expansion by the nuts in positions of corporate power, because they benefit from the pain of economic depression.

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Problem much more than that!
Posted by: Jeff in CNY on Sep 25, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Reich: "The problem is, our newly expanded government isn't doing much for average working Americans who continue to lose their jobs and whose belts continue to tighten, and who are getting almost nothing out of the rising Dow because they own few if any shares of stock."

True enough. So...
You are familiar with cost-shifting; this is debt-shifting. But what about the debt? Why should we be monetizing our economy on more-and-more (but never enough) debt?

And to go beyond debt, how about our ever increasing (sectoral) economic imbalance, as well as - internationally, or globally - our trade and capital account imbalance? (See the writings of Seymour Melman about this)

We need to institute a better (transparent, public/democratic) system of national monetization. Much has been written about it at this website.

Or/and go to Monetary.org

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Repeat performance
Posted by: mikebppa on Sep 25, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Remember the good ole days under Jimmy Carter? Sure you do. Mortgage interest rates at 17%, inflation at 12%, CDs paying 14%. Well, there is a new face in the White House, but prepare yourself for a repeat performance of the Carter Era.

I once said we will never see double digit CDs again, and inflation through the roof, and mortgage rates so prohibitive that RE is completely frozen.

Well, those days are close at hand. The downfall will begin after the first of the year. The dynamics have not changed. Our economy is driven by the consumer, and when the consumer is not buying, that spells trouble in paradise for all the companies out there, and there is no stimulus large enough to counter that impact.

And if you are a follower of Harry Dent's philosophy, we should have seen a 30,000 - 40,000 DOW by the year 2009, however, we did not get there. Why? Well, George Bush was about the least friendly president to Wall Street in our history, and the missed opportunity is lost forever.

If you subscribe to his model of consumers reaching their peak at age 47, and the last year of the baby boomers coming to that age in 2011, we can anticipate nine years of consumer decline, for birthrates declined radically from 1965-1973. That spells NINE YEARS of a DEAD ECONOMY, much like Japan after their economy collapsed in the early 90s.

So, what is ahead? Nothing good, that is certain. The DOW up right at the moment is meaningless, if it falls to 3,000-4,000 as Harry Dent is implying come some time after the first of the year.

It is a sad time in America, when we need to focus on ourselves. Spending hundreds of billions on Afghanistan and Iraq is criminal. Either Obama pulls out now from both and begins focusing on taking care of the USA, or he serves one term just like LBJ and leaves with his tail tucked between his legs like Johnson in disgrace.

$200 billion being squandered in those two countries buys a lot right here in the USA.

AMERICA FIRST, AMERICANS FIRST. There is no other consideration.

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» Idiot from hell Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Idiot from hell Posted by: clvngodess
I think Reich is missing the point here
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 25, 2009 7:05 AM   
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The government's intervention in the finance sector goes way beyond mere spending. Deficit spending is inflationary. Inflationary conditions send capital to places where it can increase at a pace faster than inflation. This excess capital creates bubbles and motivates fraudulent schemes like CDS's and mortgage-backed securities. Lax legislation and enforcement allows these parasitic activities to go unpunished. The direct effect of government spending is relatively small.

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It's about CYCLES
Posted by: plantland on Sep 25, 2009 8:12 AM   
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RR's analysis is too rational.

Various astrologers predicted, on the basis of their research on cycles, that the stock market would start to climb higher in March, and hit a high late summer/early fall.

They argue over whether next November will be more of a dip or something steeper.

What is horible is that our president seems to confuse an irrational blip with making progress toward ameliorating the economic condition of the country. He seems so unconcerned about the plight of the unemployed.
He continues to espouse amnesty and high immigration levels, as if political payback is more important than all the desparate people, including legal immigrants, out of work.

He seems tone deaf to numbers - our country's total population is so much greater than back in the Dust Bowl Days, that fairly high unemployment figures translates into vast numbers of real people.
"Let them eat health insurance".

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The equity feedings are still taking place
Posted by: alturn on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 AM   
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The people who lost jobs likely are those who were not putting much money in the stock market because their wages were closer only what it took to live. What I see from here is that those that were investing in the stock market - those making $100,000 and above in white collar professions - have no other easy place to put their money. So that funnel of money is back pouring into the market and is not looking at society's fundamentals or growth prospects and what it means to the stock market.

A generation learned, unlike the hard lessons experienced by the previous, that the stock market is the key to accumulating vast wealth. That the market may go down, but it always recovers. That myth has yet to be exploded by a sustained long term crash of equity prices. When that happens, the market will lose its dumb money intravenous feedings from higher wage earners.

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aaarg
Posted by: liberal avenger on Sep 25, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Michael Moore offered an explanation to Larry King a few evenings ago during a one hour appearance by Moore.

Moore said that when a company lays off workers it's stocks take a quick bounce upward thereby enabling investors to make a short term quick gain on their money.

He pointed out as an example that when he made "roger and me" that gm had just made a 4 billion dollar profit. The first thing that gm did after making this huge profit was to lay off workers and send a lot of their plants to mexico where seventy cents an hour wages prevailed.

They made enormous short term profits as a result of this.

We all know how gm ended up.

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» RE: aaarg Posted by: clvngodess
The real crash will come when inflation catches up.
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Sep 25, 2009 10:17 AM   
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Why is wall street doing so great?
Well the federal government gave the banks around 24 trillion dollars.

Im not sure but I think 24 trillion is around twice the GDP for this country in a year.

Its called taxation through inflation. It is going to get bad again. It may take a year or two for this bubble to pop, but when it does it will be far, far worse.

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Increasingly, Gov. Unemployment Numbers Will Not Reflect a Recession
Posted by: Ross Wolf on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 AM   
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Government officials allege the national economy has signs of stabilizing. But would it be more accurate to say: the Economy has stabilized after contracting and the New Contracted Economy will need fewer workers? Some business owners believe the contracted-national economy will cause higher unemployment for years: that government unemployment numbers will increasingly Not be considered when determining if the U.S. or a region is in a recession. Some European Countries that have good economies have high unemployment, but maintain a safety net for unemployed; the U.S. however does not. Imagine life in the U.S. with 12% long-term unemployment, without sustainable benefits provided persons losing jobs.

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» RE: Not so difficult to imagine... Posted by: richholland
Want to know what's really going on?
Posted by: chetdude on Sep 25, 2009 10:57 AM   
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Here's the real evil...

http://www.capitalismalovestory.com/

The bottom line villains...

http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=312

Capitalism -- a failed economic theory that assumed that it was possible to have infinite growth on a finite Earth...

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Remember that 23 TRILLION the Fed gave away and won't say..
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM   
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who got the loot? Or what is being done with all of OUR money?

Here's a thought: The Fed and its bankster buddies have set up some fictitious, off shore entities that are being used to buy and sell stock, giving the appearance of life on Wall Street and "C'mon back in suckers, the action is hot and heavy!"

When enough marks put their life savings online... AGAIN, the Wall Street Casino will close up and take them to the cleaners.

Just like they've done so many times before.

What's the next bubble that's being blown up?

And please, Wall Street execs are 'screaming' about government regulation?

That screaming you hear is the sound of those $5,000 dollar an hour hookers being paid with OUR money and shouts of joy at scoring some fine Peruvian flake... with OUR money.

They're not screaming in pain, but yelling for joy for having so much free money to play with.

Now where's mine, dammit?

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Those are NOT the reasons the DOW is up.
Posted by: RON_KING on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM   
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They are side issues and have nothing to do with stock prices. The price of a stock has to do with one thing and one thing only: the confidence of the buyer that the price will rise. Stock prices have nothing to do with the economy, consumer spending or the value of the company who issued it. The “market” is only about speculation as to the future price of the stock.

Few, if any, investors are in it for the long term, for reaping the dividends that might be paid or actual ownership of the company. Most are in it for the roller-coaster ride of up and down price fluctuations, buying in the valleys and selling at the peaks. It is the ultimate “Ponzi scheme” but instead of getting new investors to pay off the old ones it uses ever increasing prices of the stocks to pay current investors/speculators.

Selling on a downturn is how investors lose their investments. The core company is the same as it ever was, just confidence in the future price of the stock has changed. The smart investor never sells on a downturn and is diversified enough that one company, or even several, going out of business is only a minor setback.

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Upper class bubbles and lower class troubles
Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 25, 2009 4:31 PM   
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So more bubbles of easy money speculation on a spike in healthcare profits coming up. Meanwhile the decline and fall of normal workers into some shadowy underground economy continues. In time the top tiers are going start feeling the effects of the missing middle and the defection of many from the economy to alternative means. Maybe deserting the grids altogether taking advantage of the vulnerable companies who have cut back too far and can barely keep track of things and poorly supervised computer networks open for all...a disorganized and poorly maintained economy will continue to leak like a sieve and more people will be forced to be creative in order to survive. In other words chaos and disorder will become the order of the misdistribution of wealth and the rotting infrastructure and poorly insured health.
There is a price to pay for allowing the rich to get ridiculously richer while the poor are barely paid or replaced by outsourced sources. Societies are interdependent and everyone suffers in the long run from not caring for a base standard of living for all or giving assistance to the needy. Usually Robin Hood comes along.

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The very POINT of capitalism...
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Sep 25, 2009 7:18 PM   
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... is competition. If a business fails, it fails. It's not supposed to be "bailed out" by the government, because it somehow manages to convince the government that "Wait! We're too important to die!" That's called corporatism, where corporations own the government and bail themselves out with taxpayer money when the taxpayers themselves don't WILLINGLY pay them through the open market.

I personally don't believe in Capitalism in general, as, as Michael Moore said in his interview with Naomi Klein, that it's a system that perpetuates and rewards greed. That capitalism is just the legalization of greed.

Both Capitalism AND Corporatism are legalizing greed. It's about making money. It's not about making a difference, or providing a service to people, or helping people, or working towards the betterment of society. It's all about money.

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» RE: The very POINT of capitalism... Posted by: liberal avenger
It's the profit that is all important
Posted by: richard0a37 on Sep 26, 2009 4:17 PM   
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Do you work for a company or corporation?

If you do, chances are that you will have attended a 1-day course that is intended to hone your communication skills, make you a more effective person, nicer yet more assertive, able to shake hands properly with your colleague, to get close but not so close as to make them feel suffocated. They’ll also show you where and how to position your feet so that the impression you give will be one of confidence and authority but not overbearing.

There’s also the question of image and how you think others perceive you.

So, how do others in your organisation perceive you? How about the shareholders? How do they perceive the workforce?

Who are the shareholders? Well, let’s see. Suppose you work for a company that earns £2 billion in revenues, out of which they create an operating profit of say £200 million, that’s 10%.

That is to say, after it’s paid all its expense which includes your salary, there’s 10% left over which goes to the shareholders. Oh yes, you got a pay rise of 1% - which is why there is £200 million left for the shareholders.

So, how do shareholders perceive the people who actually create the wealth?

With absolute contempt I would say.

The chairman and CEO of the company also view their staff with absolute contempt. That is his job – to generate as much profit as possible at the expense of paying the workforce a fair salary.

All those timesheets you fill out, spreadsheets that document all the great work you do, the annual reviews.

They are not there to tell the management what a great worker you are. The point about all that documentation you so diligently keep up to date is so that management can find the little flaws in how you work so they can justifiably withhold the pay rise you’re entitled to.

So, how is it that your manager is so incompetent? His job is to make sure your pay rise is kept to an absolute minimum, and the skill of his boss is to make it impossible for him to ever relax and to keep the pressure.

But then we come to the sales force and the account managers. These are the people who don’t know anything and have to rely on the imbeciles at the bottom of the ladder to do all the work, but nevertheless have company cars, a huge expense account and get commissions whenever they make a sale. When I use the word imbecile, I refer of course to the computer technicians and other highly skilled workers who are very good at writing computer programs etc, but are useless at making money.

If software engineers had any brains, they would charge for their time in the same way solicitors and lawyers do when they are raking up their expenses for divorcing you from your spouse. They charge by the minute, they charge when they write a letter, they charge when they stick the stamp on the envelope.

The system is the way it is because the work force do not know how to earn a living.

Companies and corporations exist in order to make profits for their shareholders. How they do is largely irrelevant. Every year for the past 40 years that I’ve been employed, employers come up with the same old story – the economy is flailing, therefore we have to restrict pay rises. It doesn’t matter how hard you work or how productive you are, the story is always going to be the same. The salary bill has to be low in order that the profits can be high.

The profit is what remains after everything else has been paid out. Your pay rise will therefore suffer in order that the profit can remain high. This can mean job losses, but the profit must never suffer.

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Dow looks ahead 6 months
Posted by: jdlaughead on Sep 26, 2009 7:04 PM   
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When investing in Dow stocks, the Down looks ahead,6 months, where the market will be, and what it will be doing.

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The REAL Story, and this article isn't it
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Sep 27, 2009 8:06 AM   
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The markets are manipulated in a variety of ways, mostly with the help of the Fed. The so-called "Plunge Protection Team" (aka The President's Working Group on Financial Markets) led by Goldman Sachs buys stock futures (with losses guaranteed by the Fed). This drives computer trading and technical hedge funds to BUY stocks, driving up the market, even though fundamentals (like PE ratios) are just plain awful.

The idea that the Dow somehow is predicting some recovery is the kind of garbage that small fry investors are fed on a regular basis as they get their pockets picked. This Dow "recovery" is no more predicting the future than the Dow recovery in 1930 predicted economic good times ahead.

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The world economy is reressing to the historical world norm
Posted by: billwald on Sep 27, 2009 11:36 AM   
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The world historical norm is maybe (I'm guessing) 80% poor and orking poor, 15% middle class, and 5% stinking rich. The large middle class is a post WW2 freak bubble.

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Stock Market
Posted by: cbstogner on Sep 27, 2009 1:42 PM   
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I was thinking that the stock market was doing well for awhile, but here recently it has been declining. Time to buy!!
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These Companies and corporations
Posted by: lukewatson on Oct 8, 2009 1:59 PM   
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These Companies and corporations exist in order to make profits for their shareholders. How they do is largely irrelevant. Every year for the past 40 years that I’ve been employed, employers come up with the same old story – the economy is flailing, therefore we have to restrict pay rises. Buy specialist It doesn’t matter how hard you work or how productive you are, the story is always going to be the same. The salary bill has to be low in order that the profits can be high.

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