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Naomi Klein: Let's Put an End to Sarah Palin-Style Capitalism

By Naomi Klein, The Progressive. Posted July 30, 2009.


Capitalism can survive this crisis. But the world can't survive another capitalist comeback.
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The following was adapted from a speech on May 2, 2009 at The Progressive’s 100th anniversary conference and originally printed in The Progressive magazine, August 2009 issue:

We are in a progressive moment, a moment when the ground is shifting beneath our feet, and anything is possible. What we considered unimaginable about what could be said and hoped for a year ago is now possible. At a time like this, it is absolutely critical that we be as clear as we possibly can be about what it is that we want because we might just get it.

So the stakes are high.

I usually talk about the bailout in speeches these days. We all need to understand it because it is a robbery in progress, the greatest heist in monetary history. But today I'd like to take a different approach: What if the bailout actually works, what if the financial sector is saved and the economy returns to the course it was on before the crisis struck? Is that what we want? And what would that world look like?

The answer is that it would look like Sarah Palin. Hear me out, this is not a joke. I don't think we have given sufficient consideration to the meaning of the Palin moment. Think about it: Sarah Palin stepped onto the world stage as Vice Presidential candidate on August 29 at a McCain campaign rally, to much fanfare. Exactly two weeks later, on September 14, Lehman Brothers collapsed, triggering the global financial meltdown.

So in a way, Palin was the last clear expression of capitalism-as-usual before everything went south. That's quite helpful because she showed us-in that plainspoken, down-homey way of hers-the trajectory the U.S. economy was on before its current meltdown. By offering us this glimpse of a future, one narrowly avoided, Palin provides us with an opportunity to ask a core question: Do we want to go there? Do we want to save that pre-crisis system, get it back to where it was last September? Or do we want to use this crisis, and the electoral mandate for serious change delivered by the last election, to radically transform that system? We need to get clear on our answer now because we haven't had the potent combination of a serious crisis and a clear progressive democratic mandate for change since the 1930s. We use this opportunity, or we lose it.

So what was Sarah Palin telling us about capitalism-as-usual before she was so rudely interrupted by the meltdown? Let's first recall that before she came along, the U.S. public, at long last, was starting to come to grips with the urgency of the climate crisis, with the fact that our economic activity is at war with the planet, that radical change is needed immediately. We were actually having that conversation: Polar bears were on the cover of Newsweek magazine. And then in walked Sarah Palin. The core of her message was this: Those environmentalists, those liberals, those do-gooders are all wrong. You don't have to change anything. You don't have to rethink anything. Keep driving your gas-guzzling car, keep going to Wal-Mart and shop all you want. The reason for that is a magical place called Alaska. Just come up here and take all you want. "Americans," she said at the Republican National Convention, "we need to produce more of our own oil and gas. Take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska, we've got lots of both."

And the crowd at the convention responded by chanting and chanting: "Drill, baby, drill."

Watching that scene on television, with that weird creepy mixture of sex and oil and jingoism, I remember thinking: "Wow, the RNC has turned into a rally in favor of screwing Planet Earth." Literally.

But what Palin was saying is what is built into the very DNA of capitalism: the idea that the world has no limits. She was saying that there is no such thing as consequences, or real-world deficits. Because there will always be another frontier, another Alaska, another bubble. Just move on and discover it. Tomorrow will never come.

This is the most comforting and dangerous lie that there is: the lie that perpetual, unending growth is possible on our finite planet. And we have to remember that this message was incredibly popular in those first two weeks, before Lehman collapsed. Despite Bush's record, Palin and McCain were pulling ahead. And if it weren't for the financial crisis, and for the fact that Obama started connecting with working class voters by putting deregulation and trickle-down economics on trial, they might have actually won.

The President tells us he wants to look forward, not backwards. But in order to confront the lie of perpetual growth and limitless abundance that is at the center of both the ecological and financial crises, we have to look backwards. And we have to look way backwards, not just to the past eight years of Bush and Cheney, but to the very founding of this country, to the whole idea of the settler state.

Modern capitalism was born with the so-called discovery of the Americas. It was the pillage of the incredible natural resources of the Americas that generated the excess capital that made the Industrial Revolution possible. Early explorers spoke of this land as a New Jerusalem, a land of such bottomless abundance, there for the taking, so vast that the pillage would never have to end. This mythology is in our biblical stories-of floods and fresh starts, of raptures and rescues-and it is at the center of the American Dream of constant reinvention. What this myth tells us is that we don't have to live with our pasts, with the consequences of our actions. We can always escape, start over.


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Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and syndicated columnist and the author of the international and New York Times bestseller The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism, now out in paperback. Her earlier books include the international best-seller, No Logo: Taking Aim at the Brand Bullies; and the collection Fences and Windows: Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Globalization Debate (2002). To read all her latest writing visit www.naomiklein.org

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Alas ... The Ship Has Sailed ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 30, 2009 12:53 AM   
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The lie of cornucopian capitalism has sailed to China, India and Asia. They will continue the rape and pillage of Africa, South America and undeveloped third world countries Europe and America utilized over these last 400 or so years.

The catastrophe of environmental collapse heralding the forced migration of hundreds of millions and the starvation of billions of people is already baked in the cake.

The problem for America is that trying to resuscitate the financial sector, the very actors that got us into this mess, will drain the resources we need to transition into the new paradigm of decreasing resources ... peak oil, peak fresh water, peak soil ...

Klein ... "Capitalism can survive this crisis. But the world can't survive another capitalist comeback."

Klein is wrong here ... The world will survive capitalism ... after billions of "surplus" people are disposed of through the strategic neglect of starvation, disease and regional conflict. Before you feel sorry for these people comtemplate the idea that you indeed may be one of them ... The leaner meaner economy now emerging doesn't have room for 30% of our population ... college degree or not ...

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» Ruthless Truth Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: uthless Truth Posted by: mmckinl
Capitalism must end
Posted by: cplot on Jul 30, 2009 1:01 AM   
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Evo Morales is indeed correct. We have the resources for everyone on Earth to live well. Most of us could live better than we do now (if not all of us). However, capitalism does not insist that the Earth has limitless resources. Rather capitalism insists that everything must take a back seat to the constant drive for more surplus value. The well-being of all humanity is secondary. The destruction of the Earth is secondary. Everything is secondary to the potentially limitless appropriation of surplus value.

We are the creators of the products which that value buys. But we instead imagine that value and surplus value is a separate alien force that will provide for our every need. We give up all our Earthly possessions to satisfy surplus value. We measure all things and all people in terms of surplus value. We declare surplus value the savior of mankind.

This crisis is an opportunity. It is an opportunity to wean ourselves of fossil fuels within 10 years. It is an opportunity to establish new high-speed rail and maglev train systems to replace most automobiles and jet travel. It is an opportunity to rebuild our cities and towns as compact walkable communities with abundant grid-connected electric mass transit. It is an opportunity to replace GM and Ford with communist industrial enterprises where the workers democratically direct the operations and collectively appropriate their surplus labor. It is an opportunity to re-establish family farming based on shallow distribution networks and share sales to deliver inexpensive, profitable, organic, highly nutritious, and healthy foods directly to urban and suburban households. It is an opportunity to nationalize the monopoly industries of health insurance (with single-payer), communications (with net neutrality), energy distribution (with smart grids), and banking (with a national central bank replacing the Federal Reserve banking cartel).

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» RE: Great post cplot Posted by: greentime
» RE: Great post cplot Posted by: cplot
» RE: Capitalism must end Posted by: Basenjis
Corporate Fascism is not Capitalism
Posted by: je5752 on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Read it. Read that article. And then read this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Now tell me which system we have. It should be pretty obvious after a couple of paragraphs.

It's important to be properly educated on this subject if you want to draw upon appropriate historical comparisons.

I'll quote from wikipedia on a slightly unrelated note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi#Militarism

"Nazi rationale invested heavily in the militarist belief that great nations grow from military power and maintained order, which in turn grow “naturally” from “rational, civilized cultures”. The Nazi Party appealed to German nationalists and national pride, capitalizing on irredentist and revanchist sentiments as well as aversions to various aspects of modernist thinking (although at the same time embracing other modernist ideas, such as admiration for engine power). Many ethnic Germans felt deeply committed to the goal of creating the Greater Germany (the old dream to include German-speaking Austria), which some believe required the use of military force to achieve."

Now answer one final question: did we defeat the Nazis in World War 2 or did we become the Nazis?

I can't resist one final parallel:

"Eventually, Nazism declared itself incompatible with homosexuality, because gays did not reproduce and perpetuate the master race. In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion." Homosexuality was declared contrary to "wholesome popular sentiment,"[44] and gay men were regarded as "defilers of German blood.""

When you get right down to it you realize the only thing missing is a swastika on our flag.

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» Absolutely Posted by: begruntleed
» RE: Corporate Fascism is not Capitalism Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Obama is not treating this as the opportunity Klein or cplot is envisioning
Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 AM   
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His disparaging words concerning liberals, his dumping trillions in that bottomless black hole that Klein describes, his insistence on looking "forward not backwards" to hide the lessons we should be learning and the regulations we should be adopting, every single action he has taken speaks to his intent to avoid substantive change at all costs.

If anything, Obama seems to be embracing and strengthening the policies put in place by Bush, including many of the concepts surrounding the Unitary Executive.

Certainly he has adopted the belief that corporate power is just as legitimate a right as any other right granted by the Constitution to individuals. And if that power trumps the needs of the people, well, then so be it - that is simply how things work - it is imprudent to rock the boat - a good leader seeks compromise - and so on.

Forget about leading based upon principle or some "liberal" touchy-feely sense of a higher purpose, the Constitution's promotion of the greater good.

Forget about seeing the harm in having monopolies run every facet of our government and our lives.

Forget about the impending doom so eloquently stated by Klein.

On top of the loss of the executive to our cause, we have the continued corporate control of the media and of our elections.

In Congress we have the weakest leadership of modern times. We have a party empowered through a protest vote that is just as shortsighted and corrupt as the party that was thrown out on its ear.

Where in all of this breakdown of the system is the sense of opportunity that Klein speaks of? I want to believe it is true but I cannot do so in good faith and of a clear mind.

peace,
Paul

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» Well said, sir! Posted by: zigy
Naomi you'r right, of course
Posted by: alexandra_hamilton on Jul 30, 2009 3:04 AM   
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However, you put way to much confidence in Obama. He is bought and paid for by the corporatists. All they are doing is too shift the focus from 'unsavory' industries that everyone was getting critical of to 'savory' industries, the so called green ones, which you cannot criticize without being sidelined and put in the climate-change-denier wingnut camp, who somehow would be responsible for the death of millions of people just because he/she asked a few questions.

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In the parallel universe where the Repubs stayed in power
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 30, 2009 3:13 AM   
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"We have a party empowered through a protest vote that is just as shortsighted and corrupt as the party that was thrown out on its ear."

What a silly statement!

Imagine the parallel universe where the Repubs stayed in power in 2006...

We wouldn't be talking about health care reform--I mean not even bloody talking about it.

We wouldn't even be talking about global warming, much less trying to do something about it.

We would know nothing about the Bush war crimes.

The Justice Department would still be prosecuting Democrats at a ratio of 6:1 over Republicans.

The rendition program would still be in full swing. Your neighbors would be disappearing every day.

We would be bombing Iran.

Our wounded vets would still be lying around in their own urine--and no one would know.

You wouldn't be reading this, because the internet would be gone.


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» In your dreams Posted by: leafsong1
Put an end to GoldmanSachs style
Posted by: weathered on Jul 30, 2009 3:39 AM   
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of 'super computer' trading.


For some greed is a selfish choice, for others its in their DNA.
Again make a profit, don't be a fuckin pig!

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Let's stick to calling it what it really is, disaster capitalism.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 AM   
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Sarah Palin may be a rightwing creep but she's no longer holding a political office and she's not a political threat to anyone. That said, this disaster capitalism has been around for decades. I don't know how much Palin would have been a total kissup to W$ but so far we have Dubya's 8 year mess with Obama's 4 year mess piling on to worry about. I love Klein's "Shock Doctrine" book but associating Palin with disaster capitalism just because she's feared as the "ultimate ultraconservative boogeywoman" I do not approve of. If she runs for senator or president, then might be an appropriate time. It would be best to stick to reining in the current system which is disaster capitalism.

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» IN OR OUT OF OFFICE Posted by: staicnoise
Naomi Klein: Distraction Artist
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 AM   
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The question is for who?

Klein and countless other so-called “progressives” that voted NeoCon controlled Obama into office (for more war, FISA spy state, Wall Street corporate looting, etc, etc) say we can’t afford “Capitalism”. But the truth is “capitalism” DOES NOT EXIST anymore than democracy does (real capitalism requires real competition, same as democracy).

We live under a de facto Fascist state and have from before the proven coverup at 9/11 into its bogus blood bath “war on terror” that is actually a profit based war OF terror genocide that has butchered well over a million people.

Now why would Klein and her distraction squad frame their phony debate as “capitalism” vs America, when it’s really corporate monopoly Fascism against America? The obvious cure that the Naomi Kleins of the world promote and pump is always the same: a bigger more powerful central government controlled by elite “progressives” that supposedly know better.

But this is what puppet GW Bush was hired to do. The NeoCon “conservatives” bloated up Washington by over 50% in 8 years.

In other words, greater concentration of power into exactly the wrong hands is what the distraction artists from all sides of the phony debate at the Washington-MSM circus want.

Now isn’t that interesting…

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» RE: Naomi Klein: Distraction Artist Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: Naomi Klein: Distraction Artist Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: Mr.Psy Ops=distractor Posted by: Changling
» Are you ILLITERATE & DELUSIONAL ? Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
Palinish
Posted by: Douglas_Wilson on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 AM   
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I think she's using Palin as an example of a thinking tendency. One Palin, one Bush is not cause worthy. There has to be, at least for now, a large group of common thinking. I see the point is that "comfort stories" are gobbled up while "reality based stories" are blocked out. I'm currently looking at this whole phenomena. Not to understand it - that's pretty straight forward - but to find a solution. If you have ideas for a solution consider putting them here Addiction in the 21st Century

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What do you think the average person does, Naomi? Read Newsweek.
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 AM   
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Gee I want to find out what'important in the world. What do I do? I know. Read a magazine that has seen its circulation plunge literally by millions in the past decade(even before the recession). So Naomi finds Polar Bears on the cover of Newsweek and decides climate change will go bonkers if conservatives take over. Instead we have Obama handing out trillions of bucks to banks and AIG.

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Palin
Posted by: aadinko on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 AM   
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Isnt it about time for Palin to go crawl back under the rock from which she emerged?

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» RE: Palin Posted by: Bibsisis
so isnt it time for the ''R'' word naomi!
Posted by: ghost in the machine on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 AM   
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so if if we and the planet arent going to survive ''Palin style capitalism'', then surely its time for REVOLUTION and not for some liberal conversation with Obama who is living up to being the saviour of capitalism.

Scratch a ''progressive'' and you find a liberal Tory

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» Ms. Klein is short on substance Posted by: weathered
Capitalism is Needed!!
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jul 30, 2009 5:40 AM   
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Who's going to build "green" cities and communities without a free market??

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» Who built them WITH one? Posted by: Beck
» RE: Capitalism is Needed!! Posted by: progressiveview
WRONG!
Posted by: psychologist on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 AM   
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The attack on Sarah and the foundations of our way of life is just another show of how desperate the left is. Sarah grows in popularity and Obama is falling in the polls. Sarah is a standard bearer for democracy and the hate mongering only shows the left is destroying itself from within!

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» Aw, another poor puddin' head! Posted by: rancespergl
» RE: Aw, another poor puddin' head mental case! Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» RE: WRONG! Posted by: Bibsisis
by the people for the people
Posted by: lisafrequency on Jul 30, 2009 6:41 AM   
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There seems to be a lot of division as to what government ought to be.

Personally I want less government and less foreign intervention that keeps our military shooting and killing other people. Lower taxes would result I think.

To me Sarah Palin doesn't stand a chance of coming to power.

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» RE: by the people for the people Posted by: lisafrequency
GIVING SARAH TOO MUCH CREDIT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 30, 2009 6:59 AM   
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I don't believe that Palin's impact had much to do with capitalism. She seems to believe that the Alaska State Treasury is her household money. She faces 19 ethics violations and $500,000 outstanding in legal fees. She was all about religious fundamentalism and oil. In both matters she took her marching orders from "the guys". She doesn't know what "politics as usual" means. Admittedtly she didn't know what the job of Vice President involved. Ms. Klein is very kind to Palin. The woman simply enjoyed the limelight and non-stop attention. I don't believe she's gone off into the sunset, but her mission is not political, it's religious. She'll be back, meaner than ever. ANNA

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Hooker Red Lipsitick on a Decaying Pig
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 30, 2009 7:09 AM   
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Instead of the 'fancy Pageant Walker' giving those speech, it was someone like Janeane Garofalo- would the same women be her supporters?
No doubt she wouldn't have Kristol or Limbaugh- but men are generally more visually stimulated, anyway.When their dicks tingle their brains shut off.
But what is it that has caused the same effect on these women. Just mere envy? But envy has an element of resentment, Where Desire does not.
Except when 'going Rouge' Sarah had the same message as McCain- yet these women were not as feverish as they were once Sarah the Pin Up Girl was unfurled.
In fact 'Joe the P' did not bring in these ladies in any comparable numbers.
You could say they 'identified' with her- but how many were former mayors, current Gov's, had 5 kids, lived in AK, Hunted from airplanes,..? So why identify any more with her than Hillary or Michelle? Hillary was white, worked and had a child. Michelle came from humble beginnings, struggled, worked and had children. And all three have stories of Achievement. So whats the Difference- 'Starlet' looks.
the Repugs were not only sure they'd tap into the hormonal induced haze of men with Sarahs Beauty pageant appearance, but the secret desires of their 'hetero' women.
Perhaps we should delve further into the Secret Sex lives of Repugs.Maybe it's Not merely the males picking up hookers, staff members, strangers in bathrooms- perhaps they are taking some of these 'friends' home to their wives too? C Street may have been a Brothel- but where were the orgies held?
Why should we assume the Doctrine of guilt free Entitlement stopped with the men of this politial party /'religion'.
In fact it seems interesting that the husband of Ensigns mistress was so comfortable with the situation.Handled it and Discusses it as if a normal occurance.'so my Wife's banging the Boss and he decides to fire me for it, so he pays our bills, what about it'. No "SOB was Screwing my wife- so I quit, divorced her and sued them both".
Vitters wife wears a standard hooker print dress with the V shaped neck line to the televised statement regarding her husbands infidelity with hookers- who was she trying to prove her 'prowess'? The men? Easy enough she's tall & leggy- no need for such flagarant displays of animal imagery. She was displaying this prowess to other women- 'I'm not just seductive, I'm dangerous'.If you're trying to warn other woman about screwing you husband- Red is the power color, not leopard.
I think the psyche of the Repug woman should be explored. I have a feeling there is a undercurrent of sexuality we have yet to expose.

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Capitalism......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 30, 2009 7:17 AM   
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Thank you, you are indeed right, capitalism in it's present form is untenable! Far too many American people however that have "bought" the lies from both parties to let the good times roll! Americans used to care about what they would leave to future generations and they wanted to make sure that it was a better one than they inherited - that isn't quite the story anymore!

We have been dumbed down on all fronts, told consumerism is the way to go, and basically made to feel if "you haven't made it" it is your own fault! In the meantime, behind the scenes, manufacturing has been "off-shored" leaving millions without work in this nation for basic slave wages overseas, and the rules have been re-written to favor the corporate oligarchy! This is no longer about black vs.white, religious vs. non-religious, immigrant vs."American born in this nation", this IS ABOUT CLASS WARFARE! For most of the people reading this, your name will not be on the "Forbes Richest 100" list - this is to you, you are the ones that are losing, whether it is your job, your home, your health, your choice and your voice in government!

Wake up, now is the time that we ALL must stand together to demand our power back! We must all realize that the only way we can have an affective government that works for every one of us is to demand it! Stop listening to the "spin, lies, distractions, obfuscations" - they demean us all and keep us from the real task of demanding change and reform that will lift all boats equally!!

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» RE: Capitalism...... Posted by: sliver
» RE: Capitalism...... Posted by: progressiveview
Forget Palin. Let's Put an End to Barack Hussein Obama Style Capitalism.
Posted by: FULLPROOF BULLETPROOF on Jul 30, 2009 7:42 AM   
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I am going to join to vote to PUNISH THE DEMOCRATS IN 2010 and 2012 in ending the Barack Hussein Obama style capitalism. First stop, reelect Tom Coburn and throw out Dan Boren next year for blocking single payer health care and wasteful war spending. Second stop, voting illegal alien Barack Hussein Obama out by 2012. America will only be forced to go progressive when more Republicans kick our asses.

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Capitalism is what distinguishes us from a primitive society
Posted by: egb on Jul 30, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Those of you who hate capitalism have some 'spainin' to do. Your standard of living is due to capitalism. You write your blogs because of capitalism. The socialism you espouse were demonstratively renounced in 1622 when Governor Bradford found there were a significant number of slackers in the Plymouth colony [a colony that got along with the natives]. By instituting private property and privatization of the results of labor, the colony was able to feed itself and thrive.

No socialist or communist society has ever improved the standard of living at a rate anywhere near that of capitalism. That means all people are healthier, eat better, work less, live longer and on average are generally better off in capitalistic societies. Ask the Chinese if they liked starving to death under their communistic farms.

Your article is a very shallow view of how history has unfolded. I suggest you read "History of Plimoth Plantation" by William Bradford to learn why socialism failed so miserably as the first organizing method in the New World.

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» RE: PRIMITIVE MINDSET Posted by: americansheep
Funny that Klein would use Palin as an attention grabber.
Posted by: solrev on Jul 30, 2009 8:17 AM   
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Palin was governor of Alaska and oil and gas pays the bills in the state. It is not much different than gambling paying the bills in Nevada. Palin is going to make a bunch of money speaking to the “let’s wrap ourselves in body bag patriots”. Throw in some lower taxes and small government chants with the hate speech, and she will be laughing all the way to the bank. On the other hand Obama is trying to save global capitalism out of fear. The sky will fall if change were even attempted. Obama has picked healthcare as the first battle. If he can bring about meaningful change there, and show the people that the sky will not fall, change itself becomes less scary. Personally I think it is already to late, when the Obama bubble breaks, the sky will fall. Then a benevolent demagogue can seize power and put us on the right path. If you do not think that this is in the cards, think of this. Assume 200 million adults live in the US, how many books total has Klein sold. Palin is going to make more money drawing crowds than Klein can. All that we the people hear is capitalism evil solution none, socialism evil solution none, global warming evil solution none, etc. The demagogue will make sense to we the people. Spare me the comment that there are solutions, the demagogue knows the solutions, but no one is listening. The demagogue is just waiting for a simpler time to get the attention of we the people. A little anarchy gores a long way.

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Rogue capitalism + Disaster capitalism = the new capitalism
Posted by: pjblog on Jul 30, 2009 8:49 AM   
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I think that we're seeing the onset of 'hyper capitalism,' and the leading edge was the finessing of our banking and investment system by credit default swaps and other tricks--that were not regulated. Lately, we read of 'dark pools,' which is how large blocks of stock can be transferred without going public, and the companies doing this business are making huge profits. All of these tricks tell me that whatever old style capitalism was, it has been replaced by a new variant. So, the virus can adapt. That Obama and Geithner were so willing to hand 22 trillion to the banks---and this includes global banks, but willing to let Main Street 'be patient'--tells me that no one in power believes the US is viable, but that it's citizens can be exploited by financial 'products.' It feels like Africa, where the oil companies take oil out of the Nigerian ground, but Nigeria remains poor, and has to import oil for its own people. I believe we've been overwhelmed by corporate and banking power, and that they've won. (look at the lobbying in DC re health care). I'm not optimistic at all that we can reverse the damage and purge the virus before it mutates again.

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The power of myth is the power of propaganda
Posted by: knowbuddhaU on Jul 30, 2009 8:51 AM   
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JOSEPH CAMPBELL: In mythology, wherever the Unmoved Mover, the Mighty Living One, holds the center of attention, there is a miraculous spontaneity about the shaping of the universe.. . But when the perspective shifts, to focus on living beings, when the panorama of space and nature is faced from the standpoint of the personages ordained to inhabit it, then a sudden transformation overshadows the cosmic scene. No longer do the forms of the world appear to move in the patterns of a living, growing, harmonious thing, but stand recalcitrant, or at best inert. The props of the universal stage have to be adjusted, even beaten into shape. The earth brings forth thorns and thistles; man eats bread in the sweat of his brow.

Two modes of myth therefore confront us. According to one, the demiurgic forces continue to operate of themselves; according to the other, they give up the initiative and even set themselves against the further progress of the cosmogonic round. . . .

As known to the Greeks, this story is rendered by Hesiod in his account of the separation of Ouranos (Father Heaven) from Gaia (Mother Earth).. . . .

The bright young warrior-sons, now disdaining the generative source/the personage of the seed-state of deep sleep, summarily slay it, hack it, slice it into lengths, and carpenter it into the structure of the world. This is the pattern for victory of all our later slayings of the dragon, the beginning of the age-long history of the deeds of the hero. . . .

Herein lies the basic paradox of myth: the paradox of the dual focus. Just as at the opening of the cosmogonic cycle it was possible to say "God is not involved," but at the same time "God is creator-preserver-destroyer," so now at this critical juncture, where the One breaks into the many, destiny "happens," but at the same time "is brought about." From the perspective of the source, the world is a majestic harmony of forms pouring into being, exploding, and dissolving. But what the swiftly passing creatures experience is a terrible cacaphony of battle cries and pain. The myths do not deny this agony (the crucifixion); they reveal within, behind, and around it essential peace (the heavenly rose).

The shift of perspective from the repose of the central Cause to the tribulation of the peripheral effects is represented in the Fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They ate of the forbidden fruit, "And the eyes of them both were opened." The bliss of Paradise was closed to them and they beheld the created field from the other side of a transforming veil. Henceforth they should experience the inevitable as the hard to gain. [Emphasis added]. Campbell, J. (1949). The Hero With A Thousand Faces, pp.280-288. Bollingen: Princeton, NJ.

From the perspective of a cannon, I'm sure, all is peace and tranquility, even in the midst of battle. All you have to do is entirely identify yourself with centralized power, and SHAZAM! War is peace, pillage is progress, truth is lie, and you can do no wrong as long as you're doing the work of The Big Man Upstairs. Just ask Dick Cheney.

If we hoipoloi weren't so inherently corrupt and unworthy, we'd recognize the superiority of our American royalty. Palin was unveiled as the mythical god-given queen of America.

In this perverse mythos, some of us are divine agents of the demiurgic force itself; the rest of us are creatures, born slaves, cannon fodder for our betters.

It completely neglects the simple miracle that is happening as I, o reader my Reader, am shaping our shared experience in the same way you are hearing these unspoken words. What is that way?

From within! Are we loyal subjects, fans only, of a semi-divine global tyrant? Or self-sovereign citizens? Who's got the power here?

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PALIN, GLENN BECK and Fox News Will Save America
Posted by: greatdanes on Jul 30, 2009 8:53 AM   
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Progressive Movement..... You are being Lied to and deceived by Obama. The Man is lying to You and America.

PRAY that Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck Wake UP America before we are all Marching to the Death Camps.

When Obama Orders Marshall Law in the Streets of America to FORCE You to get the Swine Flu Shot (Not tested) and you have No Say over your Family or your own body......what will you do ?

One day soon You will wake Up to the Real Meaning of The Progressvie EVIL. It will make the Nazi's tame. This is not a Game any more and it's your Life your screwing with and Mine. I'm Standing Up and I'll Fight back till my Death...... I Have No choice because I will not turn a Blind eye to Evil.

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MYTHBUSTER
Posted by: sowles on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 AM   
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Naoimi is at it again. Under most DEMOCRATIC Administrations our planet was plundered of it's natural resources. It was Democrat FDR that allowed big-business to rape the land and forests. It was Republican TR that set up the National Forests and our National Parks. If the big time wheeler dealer Democarats had their way, we wouldn't even have Yosemete to go gaze at in it's natural state. So, Naiomi get your facts straight. You can fool some of the People some of the time, but you can not fool all the People all of the time with your communist manifesto of a failed system. Readers, please take note: Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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Government spending...
Posted by: reg373 on Jul 30, 2009 9:21 AM   
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created many jobs in the Great Depression, Hoover Dam for example. Some paint that as socialism, others as a wise public investment -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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TO USE SARAH PALEN AS A SPOKESMWOMEN FOR CAPITALISM IS...
Posted by: Captain Moroni on Jul 30, 2009 9:32 AM   
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Using a strawman as Naomi Klien has little knowledge of free market capitalism. She is an EASY TARGET for Progressives to attack. Using a strawman BTW is totally intellectually dishonest but it does work on Obama Cultists and unthinking Progressives

Let Naomi make her remarks to Ron Paul who is the ONLY elected person who truly understands free market capitalism. For those who have open minds That may be an oxymoron here on AlterNet), you will find that EVERY finacial prediction that Ron Paul made in his campaign for POTUS has come about. Also, his comments about Obama's lack of fundamental change in foreign/military policy have come about.

FYI, we don't have free market capitalism in the USA.. we have state capitalism which as p[ointed out here by others often leads to FASCISM.

Free market capitalism will NEVER become Fascism as they are bitter opponents.

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but but but
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 AM   
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The author makes one valid point after another, but I'm still hung up on one little detail that was repeated a few times: that we have a second chance now to do things right.

No no no. COMMON PEOPLE have the chance to try to band together to ride out this mess, but Obama, for all his popularity here and abroad, really hasn't changed anything significantly. If anything, he's keeping us on the same path of destruction and "greener pastures, just yonder" that we've been on.

You and I CAN sart to try to change. We can buy organic stuff. We can buy photovoltaic cells to put on our roofs and vertical axis windmills to clamp to the sides of our houses. We can recycle, we can compost, and buy glass stuff instead of plastic. We can start our own little inner city vegetable farms.

WE THE PEOPLE can TRY to change, but the government won't, and there are still a lot of people out there who refuse to even acknowledge that there's a problem with our system at all. They're bought out by the rich. The corporations. The wall street pigs.

Vermont, for instance, has a great number of environmental reforms on its books. No billboards. Towns are required to participate in ecology conservation, etc. We need to mimic this, and the behaviors of other countries. Liberals in this country need to stand up for their convictions. Conservatives do it, and we back away, because we're non-confrontational. But we NEED to be confrontational. WE NEED to be active and support a world where everyone can be taken care of, and above all, the planet can be taken care of. We live on a tiny little rock, and we can't keep abusing it. But we'll continue to abuse it so long as the people in charge still have conservatives and dimwits to support them in their inactivity while in office.

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Can Capitalism Evolve?
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM   
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We started with 10,000 years of little kings in little castles using armies to kill or enslave people, rewarding their buddies. For example, "Armegeddon" refers to an Egyptian Pharaoh's surrounding and starving out of the Palestinian city of Megeddo. Apparently, no one came out alive.

Corporations evolved from castles. The owner draw walls around his/her business. Sometimes a bigger Wal-Mart lays seige to a smaller business and drives them into bankruptcy, and then the victorious Wal-Mart immediately raises all of its prices 20% to monopoly levels. Your town's territory then belongs to Wal-Mart.

More likely, in a recession the owner lays off 80% of the work force, and right about then you will understand who are the real peasants in the fiefdom. If you live in a company town, boy does this hurt!

Evolution started with "democracies", in quotes because only the land barons could vote at first. Next, the British Parliament was entirely selected by the Church. However, it was more democratic than having a single hereditary tyrant. Various people -- the Scottish Presbyterians and the Quakers -- not only asked for voting rights, they made up their own internal democracies/theocracies and often told the government to get lost in the Colonies. Eventually the Brits fought a long guerrilla war, then gave up, and "democracy" (still in quotes) was off to the races. Some very wise men wrote an "anti-corruption" constitution. A least it worked far better than having a hereditary tyrant. Millions of kids went to free public education, and then people invented the light bulb and the airplane. The country was way stronger than any tyrant, and more important, the country was slow to go to war, which meant that WWI and WWII were half over and both sides exhausted before we got involved.

So we conquered Germany and Japan, and FDR/Truman forced the both of them at gunpoint to have these new ideas, socialized medicine and real democracy.

OK I'm rambling. Ben and Jerry's tried to evolve the inside of their castle into a high consumer quality, environmentally friendly, worker-friendly outfit. Great, until they sold out to someone big. Seems like half the green corps have cashed out, doesn't it?

I want a corporate castle with some staying power, based on deep honesty and transparency, protecting its workers, its consumers, its investors and its community. I want it to be permanently honest and good -- no sellouts please.

I believe in third party verification.

I want the same for my neighborhood government.

I believe that a network of such corporations and municipalities would naturally band together to counteract the monopolistic tactics of a Wal-Mart or of a GM in the 1940s.

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The curse of modern day capitalism
Posted by: richard0a37 on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM   
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Miss Klein states that modern capitalism was born with the so-called discovery of the Americas. I would suggest that it began with the founding by Congress of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 – to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system.

According to http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/18/credit-default-swaps/ At the exchange rate yesterday (Wednesday), 35 trillion British Pounds was equivalent to U.S. $62 trillion (hence, the 35 trillion Pound gorilla). According to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, $62 trillion is the notional value of credit default swaps (CDS) out there, somewhere, in the market.

If you wish to learn about these financial instruments, you can do a Google search on Credit Default Swaps. You’ll get 1,660,000 choices of web page from which you can download some very hefty and meaty documents in pdf format that will tell you all you need to know.

Lately, words like recession and bailout have infiltrated our consciousness, as if the money supply has somehow dwindled.

Alas, like matter and energy, which can neither be created nor destroyed, money, once it has been created, can never be destroyed, it can only change hands.

Like matter and energy, it can only be converted or transformed. In the case of money, it can only be transferred between bank accounts.

The total global money supply can only ever increase, it can never decrease or in some way get smaller, and it is totally wrong and misleading to in anyway suggest that the money supply can ever in some peculiar and mysterious manner go down.

Thus, when Miss Klein declares – let’s put an end to Sarah Palin-styled capitalism, I must confess I am at a total loss to understand what she means.

The fact of the matter is that the nature of capitalism forever causes money to shift in the direction of the least common denominator upwards and into the bank accounts of fewer and fewer people and institutions.

Modern life is constructed on the premise that if you can take a small amount of money from a lot of people, this will make you extremely wealthy. Money has a critical mass value, as soon as what you possess exceeds a certain amount, it can do nothing but get bigger and bigger.

This is the great lie that pop singers and other celebrities enjoy. Someone records a popular song, but because a million people happen to like it, he becomes a millionaire and doesn’t have to work any more and is free to do whatever he likes without having to take out a mortgage.

It is not true to say that money has to exist alongside a modern industrialised society. Money has unfortunately become the prime driving force because of its association with mathematical certainty and the properties inherent in compound interest.

One day in the far distant future, Mankind might find an alternative to money and decide instead on more equitable ways of distributing wealth and prosperity. This may indeed happen when all manufacturing and distribution becomes automated and no longer requires any human intervention.

In the meantime, people struggle on as best they can. Is life better now than it was 60 years ago when I was 3? Of course it is. Nowadays, we have instant communication with anyone across the planet. We now know that governments are corrupt and ruled by central banks who are themselves owned by private individuals who determine policy at the highest levels.

The vast majority of the human race sits on the bottom rung of a very long ladder on top of which apparently sits God who may in reality be anything but. I would love to be a fly on the wall listening in on the Bildeberg meetings to hear what they’re talking about. Then we might start to understand why life is the way it is.

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The Corporate State
Posted by: mjt on Jul 30, 2009 12:13 PM   
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The current economic system in the US is much closer to Mussolini's form of fascism than that of Hitler's. The US certainly embraces the symbolism, if not the fact, of the Roman fasces. The rods and axe represent the bundled power of the State to control, punish and kill.

This is no more capitalism than the current economic system of Vietnam is communism. It is not about the ability to wield economic power so much as the functional ownership of the the legal system, media and the overarching power of the centralized government. The purpose is the decrease and/or elimination of competition.

The real debate is over an independent legislative body, executive and court system. Not only not dependent upon corporate "donations", but separated from the corporate world. Further, an end to the fiction that corporations are "legal persons." A return to the beliefs of freedom and responsibility (not merely lip service to same), with impositions of truth based limits on commercial speech. That corporations be subject to criminal punishments. I am not a fan of the death penalty for humans, but think that it should exist for corporations. Real criminal liability should exist for corporate officers.

True accountability would do wonders to rein in corporate behavior. But I am afraid that we are no more likely to see that than we will have governmental accountability for torture and a war of aggression. I will point out that without such fairly imposed regulation, freedom and a value of individual worth, it doesn't matter what economic system is in place. It all degenerates into the same tyrannically controlled mess, just with different names.

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A True Progressive
Posted by: humanrevolution on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM   
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To me a true progressive is not one who spends their time blaming others but one who takes responsibility for change themselves.
To me a true progressive is not one who lives in a world of pessimism with apocalyptic overtones but rather resides in a world of hope determined that we can still change humanity.
To me a true progressive is strict and compassionate but not mean-spirited and dismissive.
To me a true progressive doesn't spend their time complaining about the past but rather creating a new future.
The end of the world is not here because we are still breathing. Stop complaining and do something. I am trying my best to as well.
Good article but one day in the comments I would love to see someone instead of placing blame and spouting pessimism to take responsibility and then take action. Why not use all of this time we spend trolling this site to work together to do something about these articles we read.
You can poo poo my comment but it is just more of the same. If we are the hope for the future then I hope we will have some.

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Love affair
Posted by: progressive-life on Jul 30, 2009 1:18 PM   
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What with the left that they love Palin more than conservatives?

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» RE: Love affair Posted by: chemborg
ms. klein accept your own logic
Posted by: wleming on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM   
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ms. klein is right about disaster capitalism.. what she doesn't seem to want to accept is that capitalism will require a disaster of epic proportion in order to end. the history of kapital is one of disaster, recovery, stabilisation,decay and new disaster.. as that guy... oh whats his name, the german, you know... pointed out. it ain't going away until those it is destroying turn around and destroy it.....and just how in a corporate capitalist media context is that going to happen? reality shows? leno? book fairs? where there is fire only fire can fight it...ms. klein's cassandra moments are inspiring... but the beast remains, and grows stronger

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» RE: ms. klein accept your own logic Posted by: Captain Moroni
PALINITE
Posted by: sowles on Jul 30, 2009 1:52 PM   
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THE MORE THE LEFT BEMOANS THE NEW FEMINISM OF SARAH PALIN, THE MORE VOTES SHE WILL GET WHEN SHE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT. YOU GOT OBAMA AND THE RIGHT WILL GET SARAH PALIN. JUSTICE IS SO POETIC.

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"the way of....."
Posted by: talkville on Jul 30, 2009 2:24 PM   
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Is it a question of aesthetics? Some choice of "style", of fashion, of representation?

Marx titled his voluminous work, never finished (how could it be?) "Das Kapital"; this was the Object of his critique, and he never ceased in critiquing. The title of his work was not "Das Kapitalismus -- "capitalism" -- that would have been a much different project indeed! Once we've sewn on an "-ism", we're unavoidably in the realm of creeds, 'ways', beliefs and dogmas. Indeed, in that case, there are styles galore.

Western style capitalism is heavily reliant on that under-lying energy supplied by religious belief -- in the 'style' of worshiping God. China's Central Committee of the Communist Party reached a deliberated, calibrated and much analyzed decision to embark, during our present epoch, the "capitalist road". A quite different approach -- to them it's not a matter of style; it's a matter of production and advancing (or retarding) the levels of human existence, period. Just because they are those "boogey-man, terrible and endlessly fear-inspiring 'communists' ", it is a very grave error to presume that they ever stopped studying, observing, researching and developing all those methods that are encompassed in the modes of production utilized by Capital. Capital and Labor, class, have developed all along the way since one can first observe social organization -- in some conception or another.

All processes, natural or moral or whatever, always contain within them the "good, the bad, and the ugly (and very ugly indeed!), these can be divided away from each other only analytically and not in the material world we live in. To "save" only the good and somehow exclude, eliminate and even anihilate the bad and the ugly will always bring truly tragic and terrible consequences -- a great majority of these needless. The problem really is not found in the dynamics of Capital and Labor. The problem today is one between an approach in terms of faith or an approach in terms of reason.

Who owns, controls and decides on the many potentials and actuals of this means of production?

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Oh good Gawd...
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Jul 30, 2009 2:26 PM   
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... I cannot believe anyone still has the brass to continue touting this Malthusian crap. There are NO limits to growth. Advances in science and technology (if not bought off the market by GE, financed by Goldman Sachs) mediate increases in Earth's carrying capacity as has been the case since the dawn of the agricultural revolution. Thanks to the industrial revolution, half the people who have ever been born are still alive today and, were technologies in hand since as early as the 1970's applied rigorously world wide, everyone on Earth could enjoy a standard of living somewhat higher than that of the average US household, pre-recession. The target here is the middle class. There is a media and now a culture wide bias against expanding the middle class and increasing the standard of living especially of darker skinned people in less developed nations, much less sustaining and improving the standard of living of the average American middle class household.

All environmentalists are misanthropic Nazis or their dupes. Their Malthusian lies kill people, especially darker skinned peoples and they know it or damn well ought to know it.

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ONE USUALLY GETS WHAT THEY ASK FOR
Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Jul 30, 2009 2:43 PM   
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The Nevada Republican state convention did a core meltdown in 2008 and was never formally or fully completed due to the infighting of party members which was the eventual downfall of the National Republican Party in total.

Being in the attempted effort to formalize the state convention was an education if nothing else, and one I would not want to revisit anytime soon. Many of the participants had what they called the "Real Mission " of the party at top of mind while wandering around in zombie fashion listening to no one who was not on the same page or pushing the same issue.

Capitalism never seemed to come to the top of conversation at any time but nearly all of the zombies came to life over the drill baby drill theme. I felt as though I was watching the movie "The Mummy" where folks filled the street chanting Imotep...Imotep...

The very next move this country needs is one of Lech Walesa style solidarity where all voters of all parties decide it is time for realism about finance, something no country can do without. Other issues are second or lower in priority. Sorry about that to the Lifers, Birthers, etc..

We need to demand that all federal employees become "AT WILL" employees, as most taxpayers have had to do, and consequences for failure to deliver on job descriptions will be swift, sure and immediate termination (at all levels including managerial/supervisorial). We need to demand a cover sheet on all bills stating in laymens terms what is to be accomplished, what it costs, and who will be terminated in the event of failure to stay within costs or time constraints, and "NO RIDERS ALLOWED" just like any other business is run. The cover sheet would also make it possible for replacement of any congressperson or senator in a moments notice because even a caveman could do the job, and restore responsibility all in one feld swoop .

Senators, Congresspersons, The President and staff who ever utter the words "THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T BE EFFICIENT" need to be summarily and immediately terminated for dereliction of duty or charged for treason and shot on the spot.

Everytime I am reminded that we are the government my stomach does flip flops. Believe me if myself and some other business managers ran this misguided bunch, it would take little more than one term to turn the country around, make it not only efficient but maybe profitable, and guarantee that a CAVEMAN could come aboard as president and keep the thing running smoothly. No accountability for those in the highest positions is our true demise as economies are in all reality a "TRICKLE UP" as opposed to trickle down financial affair..

If the mass of people at the bottom of the flow chart have no money,those at the top will starve unless we keep allowing the "NON-FED FED" print money for the most elite.

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» RE: ONE USUALLY GETS WHAT THEY ASK FOR Posted by: timenotonmyside
Palin >>>> Capitalism
Posted by: avargas1226 on Jul 30, 2009 3:37 PM   
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Wow this is scary, not Palin but all the comments I have read. I have changed my mind I think we need somebody like her. It must be real leadership when a virtual unknown commands such Love or Hate. I did not realize she had done so much in such little time.

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» RE: Palin >>>> Capitalism Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
The green level has been fought against for 39 years
Posted by: racetoinfinity on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM   
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The green level of consciousness, structure, and behavior emerged in the 60s and 70s, teaching us from ourSelves planetary environmental awareness, neo-organic post-carbon information age, the limits to growth, Spaceship Earth, the (sacred) interdependence of all, postmodern consideration of multiple perspectives, etc. This was an evolutionary growth (emergent transformation) from the previous "orange" (see Spiral Dynamics, "amber" in Ken Wilber's system) level: corporate, belief in unlimited resources and growth, competitive, independent, carbon based industrial, monoperspectival, pre-information age modernism.

The Reagan and Thatcher reactions were strong reactions against the new green postmodern Spaceship Earth awareness and, since it's easier to stay "stuck" (in fear and guilt) and exploit others in a short-term thinking, tunneled visioned perspective, Rove et al basically stalled and defeated (pushed back) green awareness and manifestation for so long, that now, we read these really depressing comments, that I find hard to refute.

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Cuban Solution
Posted by: jlowelld on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM   
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Naomi astutely points out the symbolism in the rise of Palinism at such an auspicious moment in the history of capitalism: the resuscitation of a sociopathic economic history. Capitalism is the justification of Dionysian individualism--the brooding self-centered child of the psyche as expressed in materialism and self indulgence. Palin is certainly the poster-child for mindless greed--not to mention mindlessness in general!

On a more positive note, the pirate ship of capitalism does seem to be sinking. And since "privateering" was born of the British Empire's initiative to waylay Spanish Galleons leaving the Cuban harbors, it's appropriate that we now look to that island for our survival. Considering that Cuba has survived the end of oil and is now a thriving, independent nation, whose 'quality of life' factors (health, education, longevity, etc.) match or exceed most western cultures, and they do this using 1/8 the energy per capita of the U.S., they may be the model--or safe harbor if you will--for the survival of the human species. Viva La Revolucion!

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» RE: Cuban Solution Posted by: richard0a37
The Global Consciousness of Interdependence
Posted by: maxsmart on Jul 30, 2009 4:14 PM   
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Yes, this isn't the 30's all over, it is the dawning of the necessity for interdependent thinking not individualist rape and pillage of the global village.

In that sense it means looking for the end of war as a paradigm for any and all types of activity.

War as a dominance and submission model of caveman diplomacy and caveman economic theory altogeher.

And yes we are pressing up to the limits of a finite world and we are going to be forced into sustainable living and the end of the toxic nuclear family of over-consumption.

If we cannot learn to live with our instincts and our conceptualizations without rationalizing massive collateral damage and linking instincts of nationalism with dogmatism and demonization we will be the cause of our own extinction.

It is not an intellectual argument it is whether we as the human race can learn to balance body and mind.

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It is just not done!!!
Posted by: maxsmart on Jul 30, 2009 4:21 PM   
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The rape and pillage of one's own village!!!

That would be like a vulture feasting on its own live body!!!

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clae shoes
Posted by: wen on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM   
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Re Dumpster Dictatorship
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Jul 30, 2009 6:26 PM   
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1. The "conspicuous consumption", or "economic system that they're spending trillions of dollars to save" is a way unsustainable families have of trying to prolong their control over the children by fending off alternative education opportunities. The children are kept "busy" consuming goodies "earned" by bureaucratic busywork the parents did. "Johnny don't touch that!" and "Keep out of the garbage!" are standard rebukes to voluntary "standard of living reduction" carried out by the children themselves.

2. I appreciate humanrevolution's challenge to progressives to produce, promote positive suggestions. Here's one-- I think mjt mentioned the bound axe. Fact is, you can clip a group of seven sticks, bind them together, and shape them into a mallet handle. If longer, maybe a walkstick, or a tomato-stake for urban gardens. You can shape 10 (ten) sticks into a handle that fits a typical hammer or axe. Think of all the larger trees that don't have to die if a comprehensive small-stick and scrap-lumber reprocessing and reusing industry springs up in place of the heavy capital-intensive machine carpentry that prevails today.

3. Consumption is a way of showing off how much money you have to waste, either on the consumption or, if anyone bothers you, on punishing them. The vast US penal system is testimony to the fact that this is a punishment-obsessed society. (Tobacco is the drug which enables owners to sit-guard over their privileged positions and possessions.) I think the elimination of the cigarette industry will prove a sudden civility-furthering bonanza which will end the sit-guard defensiveness and replace it with personal efficiency permitting billions more, but smaller animals to prevail on this planet without exhausting resources. By the year 3000 the average human adult will weigh 7 pounds, live 600 years, and be able to climb to the top of a 200-foot tree in 13 seconds.

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Palin and Limbaugh are there to frighten and entertain you!
Posted by: Lex Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 9:04 PM   
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Their function is to forever distract you from critical examination of Obama and this Democratic Congress, owned and paid for by the ruling corporate elite, is dedicated to looting and destroying the people of this country and the planet.

Never discussed in the corporate media, are the consequences of the collapse of capitalism. Never discussed is the destruction of public education, public health, "living wage" jobs, etc. that we all need to survive. These are all being destroyed by the hundreds of billions looting the economy for unending phoney wars on "terrorism". And now the trillions to Wall Street, banks, a bottomless "black hole" of unaccounted looting.

This run-amok gangster capitalism has collapsed. Capitalism cannot be "reformed" or "bailed out in any way that will restore economic health to working people and to society. Don't you ever wonder why Rupert Murdoch supported Obama?

The complete bankruptcy of "progressive" politics is now painfully evident. With the election of Obama and complete Democratic Party control of Congress. we have a continuation of all the Bush-Cheney wars, corrupt conomic looting of the economy, increasing unemployment and impoverishment of millions, continued destruction of the global environment, etc.

To de-program "progrssive" indoctrination, try reading the World Socialist Web-Site daily, at http://www.wsws.org.

Socialist perspectives on current affairs, published six days a week, for over ten years.

Go to WSWS home page for a FREE email subscription!

(Some current stories:)

Obama escalates assault on public education
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/educ-j25.shtml

Following example of Bush-Cheney
Obama administration bars torture investigators from Guantánamo Bay
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/guan-j25.shtml

As jobless claims rise, Wall Street celebrates corporate profit reports
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/econ-j24.shtml

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metaphors and wishful thinking
Posted by: Zeugitai on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 AM   
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. . .that's about all Americans hear/are fed.

Yes, the United States is a pirate ship. The analogy is perfect. Now stay with that metaphor and consider whether change is possible. How can a ship at sea change a single plank? Every ape on the ship is totally invested in the ship as it is -- without the ship, all sink and drown together. Yes, even in this dimension, the metaphor holds together. A ship cannot be rebuilt at sea. It's destiny resides in its actual configuration and its momentum follows from its history. Still, some hands on deck dream of Disneyland futures. . .

and the world human population goes on burgeoning like The Blob. (http://www.worldometers.info/)

Constituents of a nation have no recourse but to exist on the planks of that nation; or swim away to another in the hope that such other ship/nation will accept them without prejudice. For the likelihood of that, consider whether WASP America has ever accepted swimmers from other nations without prejudice.

And for the sake of the universe I can only hope that humanity never conquers space flight. The species is a pestilence that will cause its own extermination if confined. And yes, capitalism has everything to do with it.

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While we're at it,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 AM   
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can we put an end to Sarah Palin too?

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» RE: While we're at it, Posted by: Andrew_S
Some steps in the wind...
Posted by: Sinibaldi on Aug 1, 2009 11:57 AM   
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I hear, in
the strength
that always
remains, the
delicate rhymes
of a deep
sensibility, and
even a pleasure
where the
sun-rise appears...

Francesco Sinibaldi

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Let's put an end to Obama-Democratic Party-style capitalism!
Posted by: xallanmillerx on Aug 1, 2009 12:12 PM   
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The Obama-Democratic Party packaging is more "attractive(?)," but the product inside is rotten anyway.

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The climate it's a-changing
Posted by: mhenriday on Aug 1, 2009 12:13 PM   
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I fear Ms Klein is correct : while capitalism can survive the present crisis, the physical world which underlies «life as we know it» cannot survive the resurgence of capitalism as usual. We desperately need to reorganise our economic system so that we do not make the survival of H sapiens sapiens in any other form but that of small bands roaming the surface of the earth in a struggle to gather enough to eat impossible. Will we heed this call ? The odds do not look good....

Henri

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We're on a Crash Course!
Posted by: Reverse Engineer on Aug 1, 2009 1:35 PM   
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Everybody that thinks we can and/or should get the economy back to "business-as-usual" (and everybody else for that matter), REALLY needs to see "Crash Course" at ChrisMartenson.com.

I call it "Economics, Energy, & Environment for Dummies", and include myself in this category, along with most everyone else in the "First World".

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Keynes on Capitalism
Posted by: Old Uncle Dave on Aug 1, 2009 1:40 PM   
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"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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» RE: Keynes on Capitalism Posted by: richard0a37
Naomi Klein brings out the best
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Aug 2, 2009 6:35 AM   
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SHIT MAGNETS FROM GOP LAND.
All you faux posters are on my IGNORE list

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Living Well
Posted by: robbrian on Aug 3, 2009 5:40 AM   
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Yes, we need to rapidly adapt to a societal constant which allows the majority to exercise its sovereignty in all aspects of economic, political and social interaction. What we have now encourages oligarchic and monopolistic manipulation of the majority.

In an array of all the characteristics of a modern society there is today only one of those characteristics capable of liberating, immediately, any society from the grip of facism, totalitarianism, capitalism or socialism. That is sovereignty of a nations currency and credit. It is only through monetary reconstruction that we can live well.

What we have now is living at the behest of creditors. We are debt slaves in the world's developed and underdeveloped nations.

Debt free money and debt-money are the defining elements, that over the last 500 years pit supporters for universal access to the commons against proponents for those who would constrain that access...the oligarchs.

The former have always championed a national public banking system which can do all that a private central banking system can do, and do it without generating debt. The current debate on health care funding would not be heard since debt free currency incurs no financial cost. It's like funding the Civil War with Greenbacks, rather than the 24%-34% interest loans offered by Eastern bankers. Abe won the Civil War that way.

That singular aspect of debt created by compound interest keeps us from living well.

It is no great mystery on how we can achieve debt free currency. President Obama need only invoke the authority extant in E.O. 11110 and proceed as did JFK. There is no need for Congressional consultation, or deliberations with his hypocritical economic advisors, particularly the Federal Reserve authorities, all of whom know full well that debt free currency is the only solution to keeping the nation from falling into the abyss of insolvency.

I wish Naomi Klien and others would read Ellen H. Brown's, "The Web of Debt" http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/introduction.php,and from their peruse Stephen Zarlenga's "The Lost Science of Money."

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THOSE PREDICTABLE DEMS!
Posted by: reelman on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 AM   
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LIBS: SO PREDICTABLE!

Its sooo predictable. Just look at history, it teaches, it has patterns.
Now voters have finally become enraged in the 3rd year of a democrat (aka secular socialist) congress.
Just 7 months into total democrat control and look at the incredible mess!

The democrat strategy now is to demonize ALL effective critics, not stand toe-to-toe and carefully respectfully explain H Care, debt, Cap and Tax or whatever. They can bus in “rent a mobs” when Bush was touring for a Social Security OPTION but if anyone dare speak to their royal congressman as if they were informed publik servants at district meetings…its improper, its disrespectful, its some deep conspiracy, its just a few dimwits, its downright un-American yada yada. Liberals always can dish but cry like babies when not fawned over and asked firm questions on camera. Questioning gov-meant was a virture for 8 years but now its a mortal sin.

The clown congress goes out and borrows a trillion we had to do ASAP, 4x the debt and now talks (as always) about new taxes being “the only way out”. They don’t read trillion dollar spending bills, they hide details from voters, they distort, they lie and they refuse to mandate themselves into their schemes. Ten percent of workers have been laid off and gov-meant hired 78,000 more in 2009.

Notice if you have these political thugs that will not debate the merits of bills or wait a couple months to “fundamentally change the country” in any way…what does that tell you? Well, that tells you millions of voters are mad, the are scared, they are frustrated, they are going after the lawmakers that continue this insanity. Isn’t that how America works or is that only how America works when the secular socialist Party is not in power? You can bet the royal congress will be avoiding their voters the next few weeks…arrogant cowards do that.

D-Klinton dropped his promised “middle class tax cut” once he won so why should D-Obama be any different? They do what they do.
After Carter and his democrat congress’ Misery Index only the 1994 congressional election win by Repubs stopped Klinton from being Obama I. Understand that! Did I mention the Bush tax cuts are going away next year? They do what they do.

It matters not what Obama said the past years. Its genetic to the modern liberal to spend wildly, then tax heavily, then produce inflation…all the while crying “the devil made me do it”. (or we are working so hard)…give us all a break.

Its as if Obama won by 57 million instead of having over 57 million voting against him last November.
The smart money says its going to get a lot uglier because the socialist Party cannot manage a hot dog stand (or a Clunker Program).
Notice the gov-meant was not cut for even that mini-program. Socialists never cut gov-meant except the .0025% done for show recently.

Just look at political history, it has patterns, it SHOULD teach even “hope-ers and change-ers” something.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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» RE: THOSE PREDICTABLE DEMS,as stated by a liar Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
We have the capacity for abundance and a good life if we do not suborne technology to the profit
Posted by: RR#1 on Aug 4, 2009 2:34 PM   
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imperative. We have to use our brains and our bodies to further human development. Capital will only led us to destruction or the dark ages-I don't know which alternative is more horrendous.
RR

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TAXES 4 SURE SOON BECAUSE
Posted by: reelman on Aug 5, 2009 6:04 AM   
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WHY TAXES ARE COMING SOON

By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | August 04, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Fiscal Policy: Federal tax revenues have shrunk by the largest amount since the Great Depression, according to new data. This should come as no surprise, since we’ve been running a Depression-era economic policy.

CRAWFISH NOTE: Outside of the fact democrats adore taxes to grow gov-meant and buy votes…this is it…cause gov-meant grows by 4-12% a year like a mushroom and this godzilla democrat mushroom needs some of your paycheck fertilizer. They ain’t a cuttin nuttin. You are…so brace yourself for 2010.

Did I mention the Bush tax cuts will not be renewed by the Socialist Party either? Guess not. Socialism is expensive. Suckas.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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Let's put an end to Sarah
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Aug 6, 2009 12:02 AM   
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Maybe with some luck she will fall out of her helicopter while shooting some defenseless animal or her gun will blow up in her face.

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Mr.
Posted by: liam99 on Aug 10, 2009 7:39 PM   
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Actually, i believed it's already too late to save ourselves, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. And, yes we should resist cancer capitalism as best we can, although the people with the money also control the airwaves, and that is the toughest fight we have. Well, until the earth swallows us and regurgitate us as fertilizer for a new species. Oh, well; i guess for us humans, longevity wasn't meant to be.

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Freedom by AutoLaw
Posted by: femtobeam on Aug 18, 2009 1:37 AM   
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J. Brownowski wrote a book called “The Ascent of Man” which showed the rise of sociology and technology side by side. The conclusion was that one would overpower the other and destroy the world. On one side is the dark ages, disease, illiteracy and witch burners for the masses while the elite live in their castle. On the other side is HAL from the Odyssey. Categorical definitions of Government systems fall into the category of Sociology. At the heart of this is communication. Religion also falls into this category as does education. Weapons of war and engineered disease and industrial chemical pollutants on the other hand are under the definition of Technology. Unfortunately for us all, as we discuss social differences, technology is incrementally passing us by. Technology is now in the hands of the few and they are the World Dictators.

There was a book on optics written and quoted on television by myself which stated; “He who dominates the Electro-Magnetic Spectrum will control the world.” We are very near to being dominated by EMS controllers and our arguments over Governing Systems are moot if we are all prevented from communicating (Sociology) at all. Worse, the idea of rule by robotic and computer systems on auto replication has already been tested. We are being pushed into a situation where due to the speed of laser beams we need to have an automated system of communications control to keep us from being killed by DEW (directed energy weapons). The psychological categories are induced by mind control technology, embedded devices and communications networks. Looking further with a microscope one will find the microchips. It is perpetuated by the giant Health Care Industry which lives on it, feeding on our minds and telling us how to behave. This is called social engineering and it is real. It is mental illness which does not exist. Looking further with a microscope one will find the microchips.

If this network “health” system is not Constitutional, it will be some other form of government, controlled by the networks themselves. The Sociological debate needs to be about the computer system for “AutoLaw”. Long live individual artistic expression, dreaming our own dreams, self determination and choice! Human rights, kindness, and encouragement prevail! As long as we do not injure others we should be allowed to pursue our lives the way we want to, without subjective judgment by people. It is called Freedom and it is what we founded this nation upon. Let us define Freedom in a technological society.

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