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Abyss of Joblessness: The Economy Can't Improve Unless We Put People Back to Work

By Bob Herbert, The New York Times. Posted June 29, 2009.


How do you put together a consumer economy that works when the consumers are out of work?
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How do you put together a consumer economy that works when the consumers are out of work?

One of the great stories you’ll be hearing over the next couple of years will be about the large number of Americans who were forced out of work in this recession and remained unable to find gainful employment after the recession ended. We’re basically in denial about this.

There are now more than five unemployed workers for every job opening in the United States. The ranks of the poor are growing, welfare rolls are rising and young American men on a broad front are falling into an abyss of joblessness.

Some months ago, the Obama administration and various mainstream economists forecast a peak unemployment rate of roughly 8 percent this year. It has already reached 9.4 percent, and most analysts now expect it to hit 10 percent or higher. Economists are currently spreading the word that the recession may end sometime this year, but the unemployment rate will continue to climb. That’s not a recovery. That’s mumbo jumbo.

Why this rampant joblessness is not viewed as a crisis and approached with the sense of urgency and commitment that a crisis warrants, is beyond me. The Obama administration has committed a great deal of money to keep the economy from collapsing entirely, but that is not enough to cope with the scope of the jobless crisis.

There were roughly seven million people officially counted as unemployed in November 2007, a month before the recession began. Now there are about 14 million. If you add to these unemployed individuals those who are working part time but would like to work full time, and those who want jobs but have become discouraged and stopped looking, you get an underutilization rate that is truly alarming.

“By May 2009,” according to the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston, “the total number of underutilized workers had increased dramatically from 15.63 million to 29.37 million — a rise of 13.7 million, or 88 percent. Nearly 30 million working-age individuals were underutilized in May 2009, the largest number in our nation’s history. The overall labor underutilization rate in May 2009 had risen to 18.2 percent, its highest value in 26 years.”

If it were true that the recession is approaching its end and that these startlingly high numbers were about to begin a steady and substantial decline, there would be much less reason for alarm. But while there is evidence the recession is easing, hardly anyone believes a big-time employment turnaround is in the offing.

Three-quarters of the workers let go over the past year were permanently displaced, as opposed to temporarily laid off. They won’t be going back to their jobs when economic conditions improve. And many of those who were permanently displaced were in fields like construction and manufacturing in which the odds of finding work, even after a recovery takes hold, are not good.

Another startling aspect of this economic downturn is the toll it has taken on men, especially young men. Men accounted for nearly 80 percent of the loss in employment in this recession. As the labor market center reported, “The unemployment rate for males in April 2009 was 10 percent, versus only 7.2 percent for women, the largest absolute and relative gender gap in unemployment rates in the post-World War II period.”

Workers under 30 have sustained nearly half the net job losses since November 2007.

This is not a recipe for a strong economic recovery once the recession officially ends, or for a healthy society. Young males, especially, are being clobbered at an age when, typically, they would be thinking about getting married, setting up new households and starting families. Moreover, work habits and experience developed in one’s 20s often establish the foundation for decades of employment and earnings.

We’ve seen what happens when you rely on debt and inflated assets to keep the economy afloat. The economy can’t be re-established on a sound basis without aggressive efforts to put people back to work in jobs with decent wages.

We also need to consider the suffering that is being endured by these high levels of joblessness, including the profound negative effect on the families of the unemployed. Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, warned about the consequences for children. “What does it mean,” he asked, “when kids are under stress because there is no money in the household, or people have to move more, or are combining households, or lose their health insurance? I believe this is going to leave a permanent scar on a generation of kids.”

The first step in dealing with a crisis is to recognize that it exists. This is not a problem that will evaporate when the gross domestic product finally begins to creep into positive territory.

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The "Abyss of Joblessness" Was Seen Coming More Than A Year Ago ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 29, 2009 1:14 AM   
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And Obama has had ample time to take action to relieve the symptoms and turn the ecoonomy around but has chosen to bail out the very "n'er do wells" that got us into this mess with trillions of tax payer dollars while promising a few hundred thousand jobs two years down the road while tens of millions are under or unemployed ...

Bob Herbert would do well to start asking the tough questions of the Obama Administration. What happened to Credit Card Reform? What happened to mortgage cramdowns? Why do banks get trillions and states in need get the cold shoulder? If Herbert wants real answers he should ask the right people ... the Obama People ...

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» RE: aganonmics & trickle-down Posted by: kettleblack
winds of change
Posted by: Traven on Jun 29, 2009 2:02 AM   
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If there is one realization I would like all citizens of the United States have crystallized in their minds and then taken to heart it would be the extant to which the corporate business elites and their masters, the richest 50,000 families of the U.S.A., have little to no interest in the typical American’s welfare.

The posterity the United States enjoyed from 1945 to 1973 was the result of a historical confluence of many factors.

A few of the factors were:

Our trade advantage resulting from the fact ours was the only intact economy after WWII and the fact we were able to live off that advantage because for at least twenty years anything of value anyone else needed in the world was manufactured here in the USA.

From 1973 on our industrial elites and Wall Street decided they had enough of the tax rates that had built our super State and the colossal industrial machine that made the defeat of Germany and Japan possible and began to de-industrialize under the banner of anti-unionism, and the put forth the notion of free trade as a cover this anti-union and industry destroying shift in wealth.

It is an abject lesson that the inflation of the early 1970s was a direct result of President Johnson and Nixon’s refusal to tax the corporations and the richest families at the same rate Eisenhower would have.

Eisenhower knew in order to afford the pentagon a 40% tax rate on big business and the rich was a requirement of any form of SANE economic policy.

One has to wonder when our creditors, like China will pull the plug completely, but I fear the bank bail outs of the last year are a hidden payoff to elites around the world into their personal accounts, to let the Pentagon States of America continue for a few more delusional years.

After all we have a-bombs and we are a self centered nation, lazy in thought, easily fooled into pointless wars.

That, after ten years, by 1983 Wall Street and corporate managers had realized they could make a killing in pay and bonuses by convincing the investing class that almost all industry could be broken part and sold off in pieces only adds insult to injury when one surveys the American landscape. The textile industry gone, small appliance almost completely off shored, small furniture makers gone, clothing off shored, GM a pale horse of its' former self, shall I continue?

I’m sure another poster could least list twenty more industries vanished from American shores the last forty years, which, by the way, might have not been such a dead end as auto production.

When NY city looked for bids on new train cars a few years ago not one American company bothered to get interested.

One need only walk through a local Target store and TRY to find something made in the USA, besides soap or laundry detergent and there are good odds many of these plants will be moved to Mexico if they haven’t already. It has gotten to the point pretty soon where one will be hard pressed to even find a tooth pick made in the USA.

If you want to find something made in the USA go to the nearest Navy Base and look upon the air craft carriers, and the fighter planes, or the billions spent on weapons too numerous to list here.

I find it highly ironic indeed at the height of the ammuntion shortage for American Troopers in Iraq, even General Dynamics could not bring itself to buiding a new plant here in the US.

God forbid they employ an American, they instead bought and re-tooled a factory in Canada.

If you don not think there is something wrong with this picture then you haven’t been paying attention the last thirty years and there is no hope you even have a clue what needs to be done to put millions into jobs that would start to create sustainable economy with a modicum of sanity.

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» RE: winds of change Posted by: weathered
» RE: winds of change Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: winds of change Posted by: weathered
» RE: winds of change Posted by: raiders757
The point is to break the back of America
Posted by: weathered on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 AM   
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you can't sustain parity if the East is down and the West up.

One currency/One government

A stolen election in 2000, 9/11, Iraq/Afgn theft and a redistribution of wealth.

Crimes and agenda committed in broad daylight.

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Where are our best jobs going?
Posted by: Beadmaster on Jun 29, 2009 3:53 AM   
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They're going to other countries. Because Bush decided it was more important to pay incentives to big corporations to send our choicest jobs overseas (tech support and computer programming come to mind), plus vital but lower-paying customer service jobs, to places like India and China. Who hasn't called a help desk, only to talk to someone who doesn't speak more than a smattering of English?

We manufacture/export almost nothing. We accept the benefits of this (no dirty manufacturing by-products to pollute our cities), but if we're going to have any value as a nation, we are going to at least need the sit-on-your-ass brainwork and call center jobs: computer programming, tech support, customer service, etc., in order to keep our citizens employed. At least if we had these jobs, we'd have something to replace the manufacturing jobs we've lost, but we have become a nation of do-nothing. If we're not exporting, if we're not providing customer service and computer/technical jobs, where are we making our money?

It's ridiculous that employers are allowed to send work overseas, particularly that which should be done here. I can't tell you the number of times I've just about slammed down the phone, frustrated, because the people to whom I'm speaking don't understand or resolve my technical or customer service issue. Is it really right for a credit card company, for instance, to leave people with nobody to call for questions about something which could result in hefty charges? When they've already called to inquire about making a proper payment, but were not given a correct answer, because the people they called can't speak English?

Not to mention that every job sent overseas means taxpayer dollars not collected here. It is to our benefit to see that our jobs stay here, rather than going overseas. Someone making a good salary as a computer programmer being reduced to a pittance of a salary, a fraction of what they brought in before, means they're paying less taxes, and those five workers in India who are screwing up that job are meanwhile paying nothing into our system.

Why are we so lax on these very poor business practices? Why are we continuing to let companies outsource our jobs? Why hasn't anyone in Washington stopped this?

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» RE: Where are our best jobs going? Posted by: richholland
» Homer Simpson needs a job too Posted by: strahlungsamt
» $$ Posted by: PurpleLove08
» The people could do their part . . . Posted by: countingdaisies
consumer economy?
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Jun 29, 2009 5:36 AM   
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How do you put together a consumer economy that works when the consumers are out of work?

This assumes we want a consumer economy. I don't have a detailed prescription for what should come next, and would not trust someone who does, but it's clear we can do way way better than a materials economy based on immediate dollar amounts assigned to everything.

We are people, not consumers.

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» RE: consumer economy? Posted by: raiders757
Self inflicted Mental Retardation of 1/2 the US Population
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 29, 2009 6:16 AM   
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A Recent Poll (which I try to take with a good dose of skepticism) reported that over 1/2 those surveyed were more concerned about Deficit reduction than Job Creation- WTF??
FYI Dumbassess- If 6 million people are out of Work they are not paying taxes, which helps pay down the deficit. In fact if the majority of those Unemployed are getting Unemployment Checks they are increasing the Deficit.
This is the Oxymoronic 'logic' of the Right- Reduce taxes and Reduce the Deficit- Please someone explain to me how the hell these two can be done together. If you reduce the taxes, less money is being collected by the Gov't to pay down the Deficit.Thus wouldn't it follow we would have to borrow more money from somewhere else- just to make it Appear we were in the black- sounds like Wall Street Accounting.
This is why the Teabaggers should be verbally abused at all times. Not only is their call for lower taxes ridiculous, but has a direct adverse effect on their other concern- Deficit reduction
I want the Teabaggers, who want lower taxes to sign a pledge that They -personally- will enlist for volunteer Firefighter duty, neighborhood watch, DOT weekend repair work, teach a class in their local public school, fix water main breaks and be a first responder to natural disasters, oh and of course The Military Reserves.
As for bringing down the Deficit, they should be volunteering at a community table outside say grocery stores asking for donations, or at least picking up pop cans to donate the refund deposit money.
these Teabaggers have opened their mouths to allow the Corps to shove their Ballsy propaganda down their throats. It's not the Gov't baby- it's the Corps Greed and Welfare programs which has been going on for Decades that is your nemesis.Pray Tell how does a 'Trickle Down' system work when huge amounts of money are siphoned off into off shore accounts, or giant gapping Tax loop holes and No Bid Gov't contracts are there for the asking (ok with a generous campaign donation).And since the Top Dogs are getting Huge Comp packages, how many jobs are NOT being created in that company?
If the Teabaggers actually utilized that grey matter between their ears- they would have been protesting on Wall Street and demanding Campaign and Corp Tax reform. They would have at least been on a head hunt on KStreet- the 'Yellow Brick Road' for Lobbists.
It was obvious the Teabagger parties were Corp funded and propagated because they lacked the focus of what REAL Grassroots movements operate from. Besides isn't it interesting these Teabaggers didn't come out of the Wood work when the 750 Billion Wall street Bailout was first proposed. Nope only materialized when it was time to help average Americans get back on their feet and stimulate the economy.
Tell me you are a Teabagger and I know instantly you licked far too much lead based paint as a child- Self inflicted Mental Retardation, how do you manuever your way through the day without a personal escort at all times??

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Jun 29, 2009 6:44 AM   
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The federal govt. has been faking unemployment numbers for decades. In '07, according to real economists, the actual unemployment rate was over 20 percent; now it must be higher as job losses have escalated. Jobs are not coming back. It will be up to the cities, counties and states to create them and for the people to make them--Not wait for the Federal govt. to do so. GM is relocating out of the US with intent to export "American" cars back to the US. Foreign investors are buying up US corps. and the auto industry (that left) and what do you think they will do? Downsize. They will close those less efficient sites, and cut lose employees and break the unions. What should occur is all American based companies in the US must be made to hire American, close all offshore accounts, pay their share of taxes (They are not people), stop all outsourcing--Start creating and stop making debt. We are now a third world country for those countries have a history of funding the military and neglecting (Or murdering)the civilian population. We are there now as a result of having no benefits and no medical coverage for all its citizens. When a person or family can lose everything over medical costs, if it is not murder, then what is it? We have what is referred to as the most powerful military force in the world but the worse of everything else. Rest assured, it will up to us to change our way of life for it will not happen from our govt.

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Not the way to recovery!
Posted by: premarachel on Jun 29, 2009 7:45 AM   
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Would we not have been a lot better off switching our fallen auto industry and every other machine tool company into rapid transit, alternative energy etc, etc, rather than bailing out the banks? It's absurdly criminal that the best equipment in the world for producing goods of all kinds stands idle when there is so very, very much needing to be done to turn our economy and the desperate and growing unemployment around. How long can we pay people to do nothing? This is not the way to recovery! The banks need to fund retooling and getting people back to work for the benefit of the whole nation.

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» RE: Not the way to recovery! Posted by: richholland
You're right,...
Posted by: rwshea on Jun 29, 2009 7:50 AM   
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...and I generally agree with what's being said on this board.

I don't know folks. I've written and hollered at and tried smooth talking my "represenatives." Nothing touches them but money for access, and I don't have the money.

I'm afraid the game is already over for all intents and purposes. We missed the boat, and our chance to do the right thing long, long ago. As a student of history and philosophy (continental, not analytic), I would say the game was rigged from the start. Our "freedom" to speak our minds was intended, from the beginning, as a cynical method to disperse discontent. If we ("we" meaning those not part of the power elite) were unable to speak our minds freely, with fear of physically violent repression as is the case elsewhere, the so called revolution of the prols would have happened long ago. The gains we made as a group happened during particularly repressive times only. Well, we're almost, if not already, there again.

If the good folks who post here want to see a "just" society emerge from within our historic and current societal millieu, I'm not sure it is a thing that is possible in the larger context. We still haven't managed to define what "we" think "just" is.

How can one influence anyone of what we consider true as far as a system that is fair to each individual, factoring in some measure of personal responsibility with a sane employment policy when half of the kids coming out of our fantastic educational system can't read at a seventh grade level? Where I live only 60% of the children graduate! And there are no jobs even if they do.

If we are not at some kind of tipping point, then I guess I'm a fool of epic proportions. Something has to give, but you can bank on it not being our continuing power elite in this land of the free to bitch, but not fight back.

We gotta wrap our heads around this fact: You cant fix it from within. What do we do now?

Perplexed, as always!

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» Dismantle AIPAC Posted by: weathered
American myths.
Posted by: frankly1 on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 AM   
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It's kind of startling how easily our great myths and blatant lies can be perpetuated. The first myth is that our way of living is some how a right and our system can be sustained. We have been borrowing from the future in so many ways that it has become second nature. Lie #1. The recession is ending, a little reorganization is taking place and soon we will all be back on the road to prosperity. Lie #2. Unemployment numbers. Lie #3. G.D.P. actually measures real economic activity.
Our system is in a state of collapse. It is based on the overconsumpsion of everything facilitated by cheap fossil fuels and rampant environmental degradation as if our species were somehow separated from the ecology. The human family is in crisis and I believe we have passed a tipping point. The sociopathic "owners" of the world order are hell bent on maintainig the myths and lies that enslave us and enrich them more and more. The revolution, as in all revolutions, must begin in the mind. As Einstein once said, "You cannot solve any problem in the same state of consciousness in which it was created".

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» RE: American myths. Posted by: kettleblack
» Good points. Posted by: frankly1
Depressing...
Posted by: rblair on Jun 29, 2009 8:57 AM   
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I'm not even sure where to start. Herbert's column alone is so depressing. I'm 55, have been laid off since this past November, and despite continually search for a job and submitting resumes (which has turned into a full time job), I've had but one interview. Ageism (which Herbert doesn't address, but was discussed in this April NYT article) is very, very real and terminally affecting people like me.

This morning, it hit me like a tone of bricks that I'm never again going to work in my field, or make the salary, or have the benefits that I've been fortunate to have. It's all very depressing. I'm not a crying type of guy, but have now had that level of sadness all morning. And with my realization today, I fear it's not going away.

Folks, I'm scared; more scared than I've ever been for my future and those around me and those who depend on me. My personal worth has always been judged by my ability to provide. Right now, I can't do that, and I fear that I'll never again be able to adequately provide. I stand to lose everything I own and everything that is dear to me.

The one good thing is that I've bee struggling for so long that I know my threshold of being able to handle this stuff. I really feel for those who have been thrown into a similar situation and don't have the capacity (or personal history) to cope. But even my own threshold has worn very, very thin.

We were supposed to get "hope" last November. All I'm feeling is an increased sense of hopelessness.

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» RE: Depressing... Posted by: raiders757
BOB HERBERT, RIGHT AGAIN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 AM   
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An entire generation will remember when their lives were filled with nothing but talk of "jobs". I wonder what they make of it? People have always talked about what went on at work. They made friends through their jobs. Many couples met on the job and married. But the constant fear of losing everything is new to this country. Growing numbers of people and their children fall by the wayside. There have always been poor people. But there were also ways out of poverty. Those opportunities are gone. The biggest obstacle of all are those who still don't believe that anything is wrong. Even worse than ignorance are the politicians and leaders who do know and do absolutely nothing about it. Obama has not been in office long enough to have brought the country back from the abyss, but I don't even hear any good ideas. General Electric is opening a factory in Michigan which will employ 1600 people in good paying jobs. What's wrong with the rest of them? I'd love to go into a store and see piles of bed sheets and towels made in the U.S.A. A shirt with the I.L.G.W.A. label in it. That's what puts a roof over people heads. Many of these factories are still standing. That would be a government project worth the time and money. Welfare, foodstamps, medicaid are all programs that have very little return on the investment. They paralyze people and prevent them from moving on. That same amount of money, or less will make a family self sufficient. Turn people into contributors and taxpayers instead of liabilites. I don't believe that anyone really likes being 'on the dole'. That's a prevailing myth among those who don't think there's anything wrong. There's a reason why we actually have a candy bar called "Payday". Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: BOB HERBERT, RIGHT AGAIN Posted by: raiders757
How can we tell our people
Posted by: willymack on Jun 29, 2009 9:28 AM   
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That practically everything they'd been brought up to believe has been a pack of dirty lies, benefitting only the greedy few?
How can we tell our people that we've been allowing the lunatics to run the asylum?
How can we tell our people that our "freedoms" are nothing but a cruel hoax?
How can we tell our people that our nation is nothing but a glittering facade with a rotten interior?
How can we tell our people that the "American Way" is a dire threat to us and the rest of humanity?
What if someone DOES manage to convey these messages? Will beneficial change take place, or will he or she be ignored or even MURDERED, just as many othere have in the past?

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Older workers are devastated as well.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 AM   
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Oh, people will be going back to work, especially in manufacturing and IT, when the recession officially ends –– except that they will be workers in China, India and other employment slave nations to the U.S.

And, even though this "recession" (uh, huh ... try "The Big D, 2.0") does hit young male workers expecially hard and portends poorly for the future of a healthy society, it is no walk in the park for us older workers, either. Many are being laid off in their late 50's and early 60's, relatively close to retirement and full pension vestature (for those lucky enough to still have pensions), so these senior workers, often higher paid, have to compete with all of those 5-for-every-job younger workers who can be had for less, have no pensions (or health issues), and have a much longer potential shelf life at a company –– which means that we older workers, once we get laid off, are TOAST, discarded late in the game at a time long after we have committed to homes, college for the kids, etc. Oh, and at a time when our health insurance premiums are in the stratosphere due to our age, causing us tremendous economic pressure almost too great to endure (pressure that is, as luck would have it, also bad for our health).

Nobody kid yourselves; this "recession" is devastating to older workers as well. This Wall Street-created economic meltdown is, in slow motion sometimes not discernable, destroying our entire nation, young and old alike, while our "leadership," populated as it is by those who got us into this mess in the first place, are whistling past the graveyard.

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The unemployed as a force for change, one way or another:
Posted by: Gaubladt on Jun 29, 2009 10:31 AM   
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On NPR recently, I heard republican strategists talking about organizing the unemployed in their bid to take back the House and Senate in 2010.
They have a vested interest in making sure that there are as many unemployed people as possible for the next 2 years.
The irony is that the republicans are the ones responsible for the firing of teachers and public employees.
The Populists are lagging dangerously for not organizing this group of people, to go to Washington, figuratively or literally, to demand jobs now

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"How do you put together a consumer economy that works"...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 29, 2009 10:34 AM   
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when you're running out of resources?

This is the underlying cause of our economic disaster: we've hit the wall on the resources that ultimately feed us; the economy can no longer grow in reality, so it pretends to by blowing bubbles - really a form of inflation, as the metaphor implies. Too much money chasing too few goods.

This means that even liberal economists are mostly wrong: we can't "grow" our way out of this. It isn't only that it would make our environmental problems far worse: it just isn't possible. The resources aren't there any more. Any attempt will only blow more bubbles and lead to new, even more rapid collapses, as Mr. "Hope" and "Change" (sic) is about to demonstrate.

I can suggest a starting point for real change: "The Transition Handbook", by Rob Hopkins. It's a detailed plan for steering your community onto a new, more sustainable path. Purely local initiatives can't solve our problems: ultimately, even the national government will have to come around. But they can build a model, and they can help insulate your community from the worst of "Peak Everything." (Richard Heinberg - his endorsement is on the cover.)

There is a website, www.transitionculture.org, which I haven't checked out; or you can search "Transition Town Movement," to learn more about it. We'll have to do something like this, and it's a good place to start.

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Yes it is tough out here!
Posted by: donnambirdlady on Jun 29, 2009 10:35 AM   
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I am 51 years old and was laid off last October. While I have had a few interviews, I haven't gotten a job. For some of the jobs I have I have been told that there have been 50-75 qualified applicants for these positions. This is futile.

I was laid off in 2002 and was unable to find a job at that time, so I went to college and got my BA Degree. I had hoped that would make it easier to transition into a better career, but that didn't work. Jobs have been cut in the field I hoped to transition into. It just left me with a $25K student loan and all I have done since then was temporary work until that ended. I fear that I may never make a living wage again and since I have done fairly low wage office work my entire career, I will have nothing to retire on.

PS my state's online biweekly filing system is so overloaded it takes hours to do my biweekly filing. It took me a day and a half sitting in front of my computer to finally get my information through their system to get my benefits check.

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» RE: Yes it is tough out here! Posted by: richholland
Consumer Economy
Posted by: needlefoot on Jun 29, 2009 12:31 PM   
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I think "consumer" should be a dirty word. There are so many things wrong about thinking of oneself as a consumer: unthinking use of scarce, non-renewable resources, buying indiscriminately in order to help the wealthy get wealthier, going into debt in order to have everything we want when we want it - just to name a few.

If we do not take this economic disaster and turn it around on its head, if we go back to believing a consumer economy is the only logical form of capitalism, then we are going back to business as usual and we will continue to suffer these ups and downs in an unsustainable economy, the continuing destruction of our environment and a solidification of our little class war.

Given the level of technology we now have, there is no way we will ever again have full employment under consumer capitalism. If we, however, redefine capitalism to mean meeting the needs of all people in a society - which will require tamping down bigtime on the making of profits - then we might have a form of capitalism that will provide employment for everyone, albeit it won't be to the tune of 40-60 hours a week and will look more like "job sharing".

Think of the free time we would have to pursue our own personal interests, to spend with our children!

I'm not bright enough to figure out the details on how to get there, but it is surely something worthwhile to think about.

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» RE: Consumer Economy Posted by: raiders757
stop shopping at Wal-Mart
Posted by: PurpleLove08 on Jun 29, 2009 2:44 PM   
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If people would stop shopping at Wal-Mart and supporting their local businesses and farmers, that would help a lot.
If they would demand that more goods be made in America, that would help.
Stop supporting companies that don't give a damn about you and are only after your money (nothing more, nothing less): Wal-Mart.

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» RE: stop shopping at Wal-Mart Posted by: raiders757
Stepping Razor
Posted by: Steppin Razor on Jun 29, 2009 4:15 PM   
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I heard a Reich Wing RepukeliCON say we need to let the poor die off. They are useless eaters.

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» RE: Stepping Razor Posted by: needlefoot
Are you angry yet?
Posted by: Traven on Jun 29, 2009 5:20 PM   
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I agree with the fellow posters here that our consumer economy is dead.

It bears repeating, that in the early years, off shoring and plant closing was expressly done to destroy the New Deal and the Democratic Party because the right-wing elites working through right-wing think tanks saw unionized industrial workers in the United States as the back bone of the Democratic Party. The unions were key in providing logistical back bone to all reform movements.

That all this off shoring became a runaway train of greed which destroyed thousands of smaller industries which were non-union is only because behind the veil of free trade the giant retailers and industrial high-tech companies wanted to import back into the United States and could care squat if other foreign companies took advantage of open doors and drove thousands of smaller manufactures into oblivion.

Off shoring of hi-Tech jobs should have been the last straw.

The path to recovery requires all us get very angry and demand our rightful place as citizens who should not have to live in fear of job lose, and the slow death of under-employment and a downward spiral of catastrophic set backs.

A single payer plan would boost our economy and take greed driven profit out of basic cost of reviving American industry.

Below are the figures of just how much and why the “medical insurance “industry opposes a single payer plan.



* United Health Group
CEO: William W McGuire
2005: 124.8 mil
5-year: 342 mil

* Forest Labs
CEO: Howard Solomon
2005: 92.1 mil
5-year: 295 mil

* Caremark Rx
CEO: Edwin M Crawford
2005: 77.9 mil
5-year: 93.6 mil

* Abbott Lab
CEO: Miles White
2005: 26.2 mil
5-year: 25.8 mil

* Aetna
CEO: John Rowe
2005: 22.1 mil
5-year:57.8 mil

* Amgen
CEO: Kevin Sharer
2005:5.7 mil
5-year:59.5 mil

* Bectin-Dickinson
CEO: Edwin Ludwig
2005: 10 mil
5-year:18 mil

* Boston Scientific
CEO:
2005:38.1 mil
5-year:45 mil

* Cardinal Health
CEO: James Tobin
2005:1.1 mil
5-year:33.5 mil

* Cigna
CEO: H. Edward Hanway
2005:13.3 mil
5-year:62.8 mil

* Genzyme
CEO: Henri Termeer
2005: 19 mil
5-year:60.7 mil

* Humana
CEO: Michael McAllister
2005:2.3 mil
5-year:12.9 mil

* Johnson & Johnson
CEO: William Weldon
2005:6.1 mil
5-year:19.7 mil

* Laboratory Corp America
CEO: Thomas MacMahon
2005:7.9 mil
5-year:41.8 mil

* Eli Lilly
CEO: Sidney Taurel
2005:7.2 mil
5-year:37.9 mil

* McKesson
CEO: John Hammergen
2005: 13.4 mil
5-year:31.2 mil

* Medtronic
CEO: Arthur Collins
2005: 4.7 mil
5-year:39 mil

* Merck Raymond Gilmartin
CEO:
2005: 37.8 mil
5-year:49.6 mil

* PacifiCare Health
CEO: Howard Phanstiel
2005: 3.4 mil
5-year: 8.5 mil

* Pfizer
CEO: Henry McKinnell
2005: 14 mil
5-year: 74 mil

* Well Choice
CEO: Michael Stocker
2005: 3.2 mil
5-year: 10.7 mil

* WellPoint
CEO: Larry Glasscock
2005: 23 mil
5-year: 46.8 mil

* Wyeth
CEO: Robert Essner
2005:6.5 mil
5-year: 28.9 mil


TOTAL 2005: 559.8 mil

TOTAL 5-Year: 14.9 billion


Rat greed,no?

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» RE: Are you angry yet? Posted by: raiders757
Bob Herbert
Posted by: corylus on Jun 29, 2009 11:14 PM   
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and the NYTimes are full of s**t. Capitalism needs to be eliminated, because resources are finite, and the world cannot sustain any economy based on continued consumption.

As for the young men, they should organize and start working to overthrow the US government that has ruined their lives...and their future unless they're willing to fight for something worthwhile, and it ain't in the Army against Iraqi-Afghani-Pakistani-Iranian-Korean-Venezuelan civilians. It's in Washington DC and NYC and London and all the other banking and investment centers. Capitalist scum and their government proxies and facilitators need to start bleeding and dying. That's good, wholesome employment, and a good investment on a more promising future.

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» RE: Bob Herbert Posted by: raiders757
HOW U KNOW DEMS RULE...
Posted by: reelman on Jul 2, 2009 5:19 PM   
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HOW U KNOW LIBS RULE

“Stocks tumbled Thursday after a report showed more jobs were lost last month than expected.”…

9.5% with hundreds of thousands not included that have given up looking…3.2 million and counting.

Vanguard Founder Warns of Stock Woes Ahead…

2009 budget grows to a deficit of $1.8 trillion, more than four times higher than last year’s all time high and 50% of total budget.

The National Institutes of Health will pay $2.6 million in U.S. tax dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job.

78,000 new government jobs added to the 2009 federal payroll..

Congress’s Travel Tab Swells…

Spending on Taxpayer-Funded Trips Rises Tenfold…

From Italy to the Gal�apagos…

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CRAWFISH NOTE: In just 6 months J. Carter Obama has managed to show America what secular socialism does to a country…and he is just getting started. The next phase (after the blame-shifting fades) is the TAX U MORE phase. Will the voters ever learn that democrats can’t manage a hot dog stand much less a country.
Take another look at that 401k statement this weekend…prepare accordingly…we tried to warn you this radical newbie no-achievement smiling liar was poison…but nooooo, you wanted “hope and change”…now you better hope he changes!

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Bob, lets put two and two together and see what we get.
Posted by: zigy on Jul 2, 2009 5:21 PM   
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Traven said it all in his opening paragraph. The economic elites don't want jobs to come back to the U.S. They don't want a strong properious middle-class. They don't want health insurance for all (or for any one beneath them). They want debt-peonage and kind of neo-feudalism in which people are held in serf-like bondage to their corporate/banking "masters". Is this not all obvious?! Traven (as well as I and many others) have pointed out what has been going on in this country for decades. Why all this prevarication from the liberal establishment. "If we just take step A), and then if we just do step B) everything will be OK". I've got news for you Bob, it's not gonna happen. Just look at what Obama and our Democrat congress have done and are doing... trillions for the bankers and nothing for the underwater mortgagees. Nothing for the bankrupt states; California needs a paltry twenty four billion to balance its budget and Obama offers nothing (outside of the "stimulus package") but the Wall St. banks get 12.9 Trillion! And you can't see what is happening here? Cone on. Essentially nothing for the growing ranks of unemployed. The game is over; the financial elites have won; everthing for them, nothing for us. Why not tell it like it is, Bob?

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» You're a fool if you think Posted by: jcalhoun
but even if we ARE working...
Posted by: jcalhoun on Jul 3, 2009 5:16 AM   
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We don't have any money!! Even without much debt, we're living hand to mouth, food prices are rising, fuel prices, rent, utilities, everything costs more as our wages stagnate for the past 2 decades! Even without a mortgage, without tons of credit card debt... There is NO WAY for a recovery to happen with billions shoveled upward to the Wall Street bonus crowd and their clients... Thanks for nothing Obama, but then, watching Rubin/Summers/Geithner advise the Prez, some of us saw this coming...

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DANG!!! Dozens of replies, and most are angry for all the right reasons!
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jul 3, 2009 2:44 PM   
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I see a great deal of common agreement that:

1. The seeds of this catastrophe were planted decades ago, as Ronnie's Reaganites began their restoration of Robber Baron Capitalism.

2. Dwight Eisenhower, if he were alive and in politics today, would stack up to the Left of Kerry and Obama, especially on Defense spending.

3. Much is made of the "indelible stamp of the New Deal" that supposedly persists today, but in fact -- except for Paul Wellstone and Dennis Kucinich -- every political figure who has come to national prominence in the past 25 years is more Reagan clone than FDR follower.

4. The obscene levels of wealth booked by just 400 families -- the Forbes 400 -- were achieved not because any of them gave Civilization a boost, but rather because they and their enablers were a more effective class of parasites. 400 families controlled 1.5 trillion dollars of wealth in 2007, because their enablers in Washingtoon and the Wall Streetwalkers connived to loot us for them. In "constant dollars" (adjusted for inflation), each one of the 21 families at the bottom of the 2007 Forbes list -- the "poorest" of the multibillionaires -- was worth as much as all 400 families were worth together in 1982 (about 1.3 billion dollars). That means that in less than three decades, the 1.4 trillion dollars needed to make the other 379 families even wealthier than the bottom 21 was shifted to them from somewhere else in our economy. That funneling of loot is the reason why our bank accounts are empty, our houses are being foreclosed, and our bridges are rotting.

Just look at the way those wealthiest Americans showed their gratitude: Fortune-500 CEOs and Wall Streetwalkers got billions in bonuses. Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, American Enterprise Institute, the RNC, the DNC, and almost every denizen of Capitol Hell got "a taste". Then they all worked together, as they had for thirty years, to legalize larceny and repudiate every lesson learned in previous depressions. The dukes and princes of our Greed Culture gave us, for a legacy, the S&L scandal, the junk bond fiasco, the Dot-Com bust, the predatory lending scadal, and the credit system meltdown. While they were at it they stripped America clean of every mechanism for Recovery.

Nice job, Greed Culture

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THE DOW SINCE MAY 2008
Posted by: reelman on Jul 5, 2009 5:57 PM   
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BEFORE GOV-MEANT BAILOUTS, PROMISES AND BORROWING TRILLIONS

May 30, 2008…..12,638
June 6, 2008……12,209.
July 4, 2008…….11,288.

August 1, 2008…11,326.
September 5, 2008.11,220.

OBAMA LEADING MOST POLLS; DEMOCRATS CONFIDENT OF CONGRESSIONAL GAINS

October 3, 2008..10,325.

OBAMA ELECTED; DEMOCRAT CONGRESS GAINS

November 7, 2008…8,943.
December 5, 2008….8,635.

January 2, 2009……..9,034.
February 6, 2009…….8,280.
March 6, 2009………..6,626.

April 3, 2009………….8,017.
May 1, 2009…………..8,212.

AFTER DEMOCRAT BAILOUTS, PROMISES, BORROWING TRILLIONS; JOBLESS NOW AT 9%

June 5, 2009…………..8,763.
July 3, 2009……………8,220.
JOBLESS NOW 9.5%

NOW IMAGINE AFTER THE COMING TAX RAISING WAVE PROMISED BY DEMOCRATS
(look closely at your retirement fund balance again)

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