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How the Toxic Asset Plan Will Magically Make Your Money Disappear

By Cenk Uygur, Huffington Post. Posted April 11, 2009.


Geithner's "plan" will pick your pocket to pay off some of the richest people in America.
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Under the Treasury Department's toxic asset proposal, the government puts in 85% of the investment in these assets through a loan given by the FDIC. The Treasury puts in another 7.5% of the money and the private investor contributes the final 7.5%

This is a guaranteed way of transferring money from the American taxpayer to the private investors. Let me show you how.

Let's take two assets that the government and investors buy together, both at the purchase price of $100 million. Now, assume that one investment does great and goes up by 50% (to $150 million) and the other one does poorly and goes down by 50% (to $50 million).

Well, the combined assets would still be worth $200 million, so the investors and the government should be exactly where they started, right? Nope. Look at the financial magic in this plan that makes the money disappear from the taxpayer and appear in the private investor's pocket.

In the investment that went down, since the private investor is part of the original 15% deposit, he actually gets wiped out when the loan cannot be paid back. That's really bad for the investor and he has lost his whole $7.5 million. This is the risk that Geithner is talking about to the private investor.

The government on the other hand does not lose all of their money. They had put in $92.5 million, but now that's down to $50 million, so they lose $42.5 million. Unlike the private investor, they got something back. But they lost a lot more money.

Now, when you look at the investment that went up in value, the government has done well. They get 50% of the profits because they put in 50% of the deposit (the loan from the FDIC does not count toward divvying up the profit from these assets). So, the asset went up $50 million and the government gets $25 million in their pocket.

But when you look at the private investor he has done even better. He gets the same $25 million for his 50%, except he only put in $7.5 million to begin with. Why does that matter? Because when you add up the profits and losses for both investments, something funny and tragic happens.

The private investor put in an initial $15 million in to the two assets. He lost $7.5 million in one and wound up with $32.5 million in the other (profit plus initial investment). So, he's at $17.5 million profit overall.

The government on the other hand put in a combined $185 million into the two assets. They lost $42.5 million in one of them and made $25 million in another. Will you look at that? The government lost $17.5 million from the same exact investments with the same exact results. The $17.5 million magically got transferred from the government to the private investors.

Well, that's the magic of leverage. If you put in the great bulk of the money, you take the great bulk of the risk. If I put in a small amount of money but share equally in the rewards, then I make money while you lose money.

Oh, one final thing. Do you know who the government is? That's us. The American taxpayer. This will literally be coming out of the taxes you pay on the money you work so hard for. This toxic asset plan will pick your pocket to pay off some of the richest people in America. If you think that makes sense, then you deserve to have your pocket picked. What's that about a fool and his money ...


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Cenk Uygur is co-host of The Young Turks, the first liberal radio show to air nationwide.

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Meet the new boss
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Apr 11, 2009 1:34 AM   
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Same as the old boss

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» RE: Meet the new boss Posted by: miles_ahead
» RE: Meet the new boss Posted by: CatDad
I posted this comment after another alternet article, but I think it's germane here too.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 11, 2009 1:50 AM   
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At this point party politics doesn't seem very relevant anymore, since the Democrats have proven they are either corrupt or incompetent with their "everything is on the table, and we'll even thrown in the table" approach to bailing out the greediest banks and businessmen in the world.

The discourse is rapidly changing from one about Democrat vs. Republican to a new narrative of moneyed and connected elites vs. everyone else; from one of "let's hope to get social democratic reforms like universal health care from the Obama administration, and try to be more like Europe" to one of "the federal government is too corrupt to save and all that a strong centralized state means in the U.S. is an easier route to channel money from ordinary people to the rich."

Unbelievably to myself, I am finding more and more in common with libertarian and anti-federal government types whom I used to mock from a social democratic standpoint. Many of them don't like domination by the corporatocracy either, and I've come to see that D.C. culture is too far gone to ever implement positive social reforms like an expanded safety net. All the popular backlash against corporations, and all the new-found popular support for statism, which together facilitated the Democratic victory last November: all this has meant is a stronger federal government for financial institutions to pillage with the government's blessing and collusion.

Our business culture will never allow us to be like Western Europe, so at this point the important battle is between the federal-financial-corporate complex and everyone else, not between the Democratic and Republican Parties, which are two sides of a coin.

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» LIEberman laughs in our face Posted by: weathered
» I agree but caution Posted by: james108
Let me see if I have this
Posted by: brunowe on Apr 11, 2009 1:53 AM   
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The idea is that if
1) the asset goes up, the government doesn't make as much money because the repayment of the FDIC loan means its only getting its money back. Only the $7.5 million from the Treasury can make a profit--so for a taxpayer risk of $92.5 million, it makes a $32.5 million profit, the same profit that the private investor gets for only risking $7.5 million.

2) the asset goes down, the private investor loses his $7.5 million. The Treasury loses its $7.5 million BUT the FDIC is out $35 million because the sale of a $50 million asset means it won't get its loan back in full.

3) Govt.--$32.5 mil. gain vs. $42.5 mil. loss = Net loss of $10 mil.
Pvt. investor--$32.5 mil. gain vs. $7.5 mil. loss = Net gain of $25 mil.

BECAUSE

4) The govt. is putting up 85% of the money but only actually buying 50% of the asset.

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» See GoldmanSachs for exactly Posted by: weathered
» RE: Yes, you have this. Posted by: oregoncharles
The Undeclared Economic War Against Us
Posted by: TrollTreason on Apr 11, 2009 3:04 AM   
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found on rense.com

http://www.rense.com/general85/undec.htm


slavery is freedom

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» pale yellow Posted by: weathered
» RE: pale yellow Posted by: yellow
The left's big screw-up
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 11, 2009 3:10 AM   
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The progressives just had their shot at the bigtime--and they blew it.

That's what I think. It was the progs who wrongly thought Hillary was the corporate candidate, then proceeded to fight dirty to put Obama in.

Much of the progressive community (cf. HuffPo, Kos, Buzzflash) spent the primaries insulting and alienating moderate Democrats--and any Democrats who don't fancy misogyny and sleazy politics.

All this to pick an obvious neocon ringer. So much for the theory that progressives are smart.

If we factor in Republican election rigging--which hasn't gone away--we're certain to see a Republican in the White House in 2012.

Obama will go down in history as The Left's Big Screw-Up. Or F*ck-Up, if you will.

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» Wise up Posted by: xi_people
» RON PAUL!!!! Posted by: xvictor
» RE: ON PAUL!!!! Posted by: topbrick
» RE: ON PAUL!!!! Posted by: yellow
This is true for the public-private entity
Posted by: alexandra_hamilton on Apr 11, 2009 3:27 AM   
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What you write is correct for the public-private entity (ppe) that is set up to buy the assets. This is already bad enough and a sure way for the taxpayer to lose money.
But the real outrage is this: The ppe buys these two assets from Bank A. In order to do so, the ppe will get a 170mln (85%) non-recourse loan from the government. In addition the government will come up with another 15mln (2x7.5%) of the purchase price and someone else, maybe Bank B. or even Bank A., will have to put in the other 15 mln.
Now, this means that Bank A in any case makes 200 mln and this even if it had to cough up 15mln to get rid of those assets.
In your example Bank A is the real winner. What happens to the assets in the ppe? Bank A couldn't care less. This is Krugman's "cash-for-trash" argument, I'd say.
So if Bank A bids for Bank B's assets and vice versa they will clean their balance sheets, make a hefty profit for bonuses and dividends and walk away from the ppe. The taxpayer will simply be broke after that.

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What do we need a "treasury secretary" for since.....
Posted by: xvictor on Apr 11, 2009 4:32 AM   
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.....there's no money. But Geither sure acts like there is.

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There really is a cross of Gold
Posted by: RustyOldCar on Apr 11, 2009 6:03 AM   
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They got down on ole William Jennings Bryan because of his biology,
But he had a midwesterners knack for seeing plain crap.
This is it folks, the cross of gold we are all being hung on.
Read More about the Magic Here

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why is Geitner the only one to blame?
Posted by: christianslayer1955 on Apr 11, 2009 6:16 AM   
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Obama stated in that infamous interview in 60 minutes that even if Geitner handed in his interview,Obama would refuse to accept it..So,why is it that Obama is not being blamed for the actions of Gheitner? I understand that the Corporate owned media has to keep us misinformed but,I fail to see Alernet's motives.Are you guys also part of this mass conspiracy to protect Obama while his capos are robbing us blind?As a Black man,I am confused as to why White folks are allowing this guy to get away with so much crap.By the time we decide to do so,it will be much too late.

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Poof. Gone. Makes you feel good about that 1040 due on Wednesday
Posted by: peterjkraus on Apr 11, 2009 6:39 AM   
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Yeah. Death and taxes, huh? That's what capitalism was set up to do: rob Peter (ahem) to pay Paul. And Paul gets to keep it all. Enjoy tax day.

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» Taxes bad? Posted by: justAnEgg
Keith Olbermann, Rachel Madoff
Posted by: Skeptic10 on Apr 11, 2009 7:01 AM   
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During the Bush years these guys were great. What happened? Olbermann wastes his time tracking the insanity of Limbaugh and O'Reilly. Madoff also refuses to address the big issue of the day: We are being royally screwed by Obama's financial wizards. Have they gone soft because MSNBC is a tool of the Democrats?

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» Make em laugh Posted by: johnwinthrop
Author missing the point
Posted by: leafsong1 on Apr 11, 2009 7:23 AM   
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The real rip off occurs when the toxic assets are purchased. None of them will show a profit. They will all be bought at inflated prices, because the same frauds that created them will be in control of arranging the deals. The real problem is that the Treasury is guaranteeing a profit for fraud. By explaning in detail the buyback plan, (which we already understood) the author is actually misdirecting our attention from the real rip-off.

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» RE: Author missing the point Posted by: TheJamea
» RE: Author missing the point Posted by: DBrandt
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Posted by: mnstra on Apr 11, 2009 7:34 AM   
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I like the article but get tired of the terminology: "your money' its yours too and when a writer says look at WATS happening to your money its a turn off . It is an inflammatory way of getting a readers attention. Like FOX news.

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Wake-up Already!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Apr 11, 2009 8:35 AM   
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The implosion of the world's economy is being orchestrated by our private Federal Reserve & the other private central banks!!! It's a scheme of the Illuminati/NWO/globalists to destroy U.S. sovereignty & usher in a one-world dictatorship!

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» bblinky Posted by: h2oman
*Whose* big screw-up?
Posted by: chorton on Apr 11, 2009 9:45 AM   
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Perry Logan calls Obama "the left's big screw-up".

Who do you mean by "the left"?

Kucinich was our candidate, and would have been the overwhelming choice of the American people judging by the outcomes of a number of "pick your issues, match a candidate" polls, but after two runs for the Democratic nomination - in the first one we built a 50-state organization and collected more individual donations than anyone but Dean - he's still at less than 80% name recognition! That gives you a measure of how we weighed in at the national level. No TV access, marginal radio access, no daily papers, 7% of the private workforce organized, maybe 10 or 20 true progressives in the House and one in the Senate - our efforts may have swung the general election, but we simply didn't have the clout to pick the players.

In the end, the menu the media moguls served up to us was Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Edwards self-destructed, Hillary is at least as connected to big money as Obama and was running a racist campaign for a while there, while Obama was turning out hundreds of thousands of volunteers and arousing the people. That was a no-brainer. And then it came down to Obama or Bush. Most of us at that point backed Obama, and we certainly did a good thing getting Bush out; but he's not *our* screw-up!

Now the challenge is to organize the people to build the pressure on Obama to keep his promises, and help them draw appropriate conclusions when he doesn't.

In the meantime we need to solve the media problem. Skeptic is right that Maddow and Olbermann are pulling their punches. We need a People's TV, with a Rachel Maddow with no red lines she can't cross, an Olbermann who's allowed to do Angry and give real leadership. Sarcasm is great if it's all you can get - for nearly 60 years we didn't even get that except for a little bit on Saturday Night Live - but it's not nearly enough. How we get there I don't know, it may have to wait until media workers start taking over bankrupt TV stations, but You-Tube viral messaging is a start.

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» RE: *Whose* big screw-up? Posted by: johnwinthrop
» RE: *Whose* big screw-up? Posted by: verona
We need Action.....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Apr 11, 2009 10:09 AM   
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Look,if Big O's 'team' had helping Americans out they might have given us all fifty grand and jumpstarted the economy real fast. Or maybe FHA direct 1% home loans to all home owners. Buy they didn't. They just thought about paying off their friends.

We need to march into our Congressperson's office,about 20 at a time and tell them, "They'd better start taking care of the people or their jobs ends now."

We do have the right to remove any one of the elected way before any term runs out. We just don't do it. Why? I don't know, maybe it's because we actually believe,some of the 'good ones' will balance out the 'bad ones'. Sorry the bad ones already outnumber the good. Maybe it's because these thieves have the police and military to shoot us if we try to enforce 'OUR RIGHTS'. It's probably the latter I fear.

Friends they call this kind of rulership tyranny, now it's just the New World Order and we walk along with blinders on until their corrupt financial works falls apart and they 'come down' a few pegs on the monitary wrungs.

We have the right to sieze the moneies that Big O and his boneheads have gotten permission to use. We can demand how it's going to be used. We just have to threaten their pay, just like they do to us.

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» American NonDemocracy Posted by: johnwinthrop
The demise of Capitalism!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 11, 2009 11:56 AM   
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Please check out this great read I found at www.wemustchange.org

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Start Over Cenk...
Posted by: miles_ahead on Apr 11, 2009 12:03 PM   
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The FED is not part of the US government. So start this analysis over. For as the FED loses it's 7.5% along with the private investor, then the FDIC loses only $35 ($85-50).

The Federal Reserve is a private for-profit corporation that scams the American taxpayer by design. But this is another topic. The point is, there are two private companies.

In any case, this second private co. (FED) makes $25 in the second scenario, and the FDIC makes nothing if I'm understanding the profit share as written. Total loss, $35. And never a chance for profits.

Two private companies, sharing the profits. Did I miss something here? Otherwise, it's a bigger scam than you're reporting.

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» Ooops... Posted by: miles_ahead
Reiterating Missing The Point
Posted by: TheJamea on Apr 11, 2009 4:07 PM   
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I'm re-posting this at the current end of the post in hope of generating replies. Please comment.
Indeed, missing the point! What I don't understand, is that all this is air money. I don't care what you call it (toxic assets, legacy assets, et al) none of it is a result of production. Its all a result of the imagination of "brokers", etc. "They" (a friend once accurately defined the infamous "they". "They" are those who WILL make a profit, no matter the cost.) made up, out of thin air, a new "financial instrument" i.e. CDS's and others, sold a pile of them to suckers, the luckiest of whom, then resold them immediately for a profit, and, now that it is found out that they are worthless, we are being required to reimburse the current holders of these worthless "financial instruments" for these losses. Has anyone noticed that the amounts that these Banks and Financial Institutions are being given is greater than our Gross National Production value? This is also air money, only this money subtracts from the value of our goods and services, honestly performed, in the expectation of honest recompense?
It's all just a shell game, with the MSM faithfully playing the shill.

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If Not Now, When?
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 11, 2009 7:00 PM   
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When will people accept the fact that representative democracy isn't working?


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: If Not Now, When? Posted by: RevinFreddy
HELP ME PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!
Posted by: Don't Panic on Apr 11, 2009 10:25 PM   
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Will someone please explain to me like I am a second grader why something that is toxic is an asset?........I just do not get this......thanks

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» RE: HELP ME PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE! Posted by: RevinFreddy
When "Toxic Flakes" become a hit breakfast product...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 11, 2009 10:48 PM   
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...I might consider Toxic Assets a good buy.

'Til then, you Bush/Obama cheerleaders are full of shit, in my opinion.

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Happiness In Slavery
Posted by: RevinFreddy on Apr 12, 2009 2:09 AM   
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Slave screams, he thinks he knows what he wants
Slave screams, thinks he has something to say
Slave screams, he hears but doesn't want to listen
Slave screams, he's being beat into submission
Don't open your eyes you won't like what you see
The devils of truth steal the souls of the free
Don't open your eyes take it from me
I have found You can find Happiness in slavery
Slave screams, he spends his life learning conformity
Slave screams, he claims he has his own identity
Slave screams, he's going to cause the system to fall
Slave screams, but he's glad to be chained to that wall
Don't open your eyes you won't like what you see
The blind have been blessed with security
Don't open your eyes take it from me
I have found You can find Happiness in slavery
I don't know what I am I don't know where I've been Human junk just words and so much skin
Stick my hands through the cage of this endless routine Just some flesh caught in this big broken machine
Trent Reznor - Happiness In Slavery

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30 yrs Late and Trillions short to the Party
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 12, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Are you Joking, or are you merely another Rip Van winkle who just woke Up?
Shall we once again the Blatantness of 'Trickle Down', the scores of legislation that has occured over the last 3 decades whcih not only worked to pick our pockets- but also emptied the vaults of our 'nest eggs'.
apparently you are still listening to those who hypnotised you in the first place.
Take a guess as to Who's $1 was buried beneath those $40 recklessly leveraged out.Sweetheart that was OUR $1, Our annuities, pensions, 401K's. the Rating agencies were complicit in giving these Risky investment products a clean bill of health- so not only our life savings were opened up, but our State & local Gov't's and charities.Are you so deluded,or naive as to think that when the $40 was wiped out, the $1 still remained?
We don't need to just 'prime the Pump', we need to rebuild the pump.And that is gonna take Money, and Time. It took the Trickle Downers about 30 yrs to collapse the system, It's gonna take about that long to reconstruct it.
As a 46 yr old, I realize my Retirment party and my Funeral will be a 2 for 1 event.Demographically my age group will not be able to enjoy our 'golden years'. It was inevitable- not just because the Boomers took the money and Ran, but because of the sheer size and life expectancy of the Boomers (do US all a favor Boomers, smoke a cigarette and eat a damn doughnut!).
It sets my hair on fire to hear the Repugs now try crocadile tears about 'Generational Theft'..Funny they had no such concerns when they demanded tax cuts. Cuts that eliminated school programs, Derailed investments in infrastructure,depleted contributions to Social Security. They had no problem screwing the Generation behind them, or the ones ahead of them.any one else notice the new found support of Social Security and Medicare- the Boomers are now the ones dependent on those programs. They were all for 'privatization' when it was their parents or Grandaparents living on Dog food. thank the Liberal left for making sure those two programs are still somewhat solvent.Have they yet realized the disasterous reprocussions of fewer tax dollars caused by Tax cuts, stagnate wages and blocking minium wage increases.
so if you want to scream and Yell, stomp your feet and throw a hissy fit- talk to the Repugs and their selfish constitutients for the last 3 decades.the Rest of US are not only tired,but have more imporant matters to Resolve like cleaning up the clusterfuck they caused and rest of you all Slept through!

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» Bank Vault is Empty Posted by: johnwinthrop
Borrow from the citizens to pay the banks, to whom you pay your loan back with interest
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Apr 12, 2009 9:22 AM   
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"This will literally be coming out of the taxes you pay on the money you work so hard for. This toxic asset plan will pick your pocket to pay off some of the richest people in America"

All correct except that few people in America pay federal taxes. The despised rich pay the bulk of taxes, the poor almost none, the middle class litte(even before the Obama tax cuts). But taking a page that Joe Biden accused the GOP of taking, The Democrats now are printing trillions of Bernankebucks and borrowing like a gambler about to be meet a Mafia enforcer.

The trillions come not from taxes but from borrowing and printing as the old timers used to say, "specie". Paper. Worth Nothing. We will own assests with no intrinsic value for which we've paid in pieces of colored paper.

The real damage will come when needed items like fuel, building materials, packaging, food, housing and clothes can't be paid for in Bernankebucks. Only madmen would accept this fraud for much longer. Then it all collapses. All of it. Even the financial institutions that seemingly swindled the swindlers. All gone. Poof.

A civil war like we've never seen before. What would Grant and Lee have done with bioweapons and land mines; small tactical nukes and smart bombs?

Yep, I can see why President Obama reads and reads about Lincoln. The chapters of suspension of habeus corpus and jailing of political opponents are well-thumbed. Do you really trust your military, Mr. Obama?

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One thing I'd like to know
Posted by: willymack on Apr 12, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Is that with the current rate of unemployment, house forclosures, bankrupcies, etc., where will the thieving scumbags who robbed so many of us find even MORE money to steal? If people aren't working, tax revenue to the government will decrease, and there won't be as much bailout money to keep the crooks out of jail. There has to be a limit as to how much funny money can be printed for this purpose. What happens after this limit is reached, and things continue to fall apart? I guess the real question here is is it wise to continue with a failed predatory capitalist system, or should something new be begun?

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» Bilderobama Posted by: johnwinthrop
DEMS SEEK TO FORCE USA UNDER UN SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING ONE WORLD GOV--PART A
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 13, 2009 8:28 PM   
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DEMS run around waiving their arms that about GITMO AND ABU-GARIB and torture while constantly hiding the fact that the USA confiscated in iraq from a taliban safe-house a torture manual with torture so severe it violates every CONVENTION in existence and that gets swept under the rug along with the fact that...

RIGHT NOW friend and foe here and overseas, want to subject the US MILITARY personnel to indictment and prosecution by the ICC.

GERMANY AND ITALY have actually already indicted US CIA agents for supposedly capturing radical islamic terriorists.

This is an infringement on our SOVEREIGNTY and a dagger aimed at our US MILITARY.

As a result, they may soon want to charge our troops overseas whom are fighting against terriorism, with trumped up "war crime" charges.

Charges like claiming Americans committed genocide, or claim we committed crimes against humanity. There's a leftist group in Paris, plus Argentina, Sweden, whom want to charge Rumsfeld for allegedly authorizing torture at Guantanamo bay, and abu Graib prison in Iraq claiming 1984 convention against torture, which FRANCE has used in previous torture cases.

it's really time to put the UN on notice that the days where the USA would mindlessly supply it with money, men, military equipment and blood without conditions are simply over.

In fact the latest---the new UN SEC GENERAL has already stipulated he wants NYC police officers to serve in UN peacekeeping mission in places like haiti, kosovo, and liberia.

here is one more reason why

CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.

Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council.

Well, the anti-Americans at the UN wouldn't have any of it and the Abu Graib prison gave Kofi Annan the opening he wanted. The he tried to wrap himself in the human right mantle by claiming it would be unfotunate for someone to press for such an exemption given the prisoner abuse in Iraq.

We all know that if Mr. Amman really cared a thing about human rights he would have protested the revolving membership of certain countries with human rights track records. However, the Sanctimonious UN and Annan are always silent on the topic of human rights; except when it comes to taking cheap shots at the US

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DEMS SEEKING TO FORCE USA UNDER SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING UN SEAT AND ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT--PART B
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 13, 2009 8:32 PM   
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What they are really after is for the US to submit to the will of the UN and it's International criminal court. What they want is for the US to relinquish it's SOVEREIGNTY relagating WE THE PEOPLE of the US to the status of servants to the UN INSTEAD of being governed by WE THE PEOPLE

THIS would for example entail that any USA person could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.

Take a second to THINK about this all of the globalists within and without the USA think the murderous Al Qaida terriorists should have these rights from way back before the 1990's and NOW... HOWEVER NOT OUR US SOLDIERS and NOT OUR US CITIZENS.

Even though we can't guarantee that no American soldier is ever taken prisoner by a foreighn state and put before the ICC, we at "least" make sure no US soldier and or civilian meets with this fate.

However, the ICC doesn't want to recognize the CONSTITUTIONAL rights that we as Americans are guaranteed. GET IT?? They too think our constitution is FLAWED.

Meanwhile the globalists Anti-American ICC supporters criticized Mr. Bush claiming we were "undermining international LAW, the reality, THEY were writing new INTERNATIONAL LAWS TO protect themselves.



RIGHT NOW --the GRINCHES at the UN want to create something called a TRANSNATIONAL TREATY where anything protecting our USA PUBLIC that happens in our courts that GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE gets kicked out of court would be sent to THE UN whom will then OVERRIDE THE WILL OF AMERICAN PUBLIC and ENFORCE it's SHARIA LAW rule over this NATION.

Want to know WHAT were the "agreement on the Privileges and immunities of the ICC" ratified with the assent of ONLY 10 NATION--it flat out provides the ICC immunity from "every form of legal process anywhere".

**They stated that the "property, funds, and assets" of the ICC "shall be IMMUNE from search, seizure, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference. And, the ICC and it's assets they said "are to be exempt from all direct taxes" including local taxes and customs.

** Meantime they want to IMPOSE the GLOBAL POVERTY TAX which would most certainly bankrupt the USA; while they engage in the Socialist rhetoric of how we are "selfish" for not wanting to pay more taxes. This is their idea of spread the wealth. Notice the funds are always going someplace else instead of to the PUBLIC.

How many people don't know all throughout history the spread the wealth has always been used in facist/socialist/communist elections.



RIGHT NOW-- OBAMA AND DEMS are attempting to seek a seat at the SHARIA LAW UN and the DEMS want to PUT INTO EFFECT ---TRANSNATIONAL TREATY---what does thaaat mean?? it means anything that the PUBLIC decides in court that is beneficial to WE THE PUBLIC that the GOV doesn't like --it WILL get kicked out of all courts at all levels and be sent TO THE UN international court WHERE they will IMPOSE THE WILL OF SHARIA LAW/UN court on the AMERICAN PUBLIC.

OBAMA AND WASH DC SLUGS WANT TO once again endanger this country by FORCING the US under SERVANTHOOD to the U-NATION which is SHARIA LAW. This will DESTROY our CONSTITUTION and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the USA AMERICAN public to govern themselves. --always the bottom line isn't it??

Long and short of it----the ICC MEMBERS have declared themselves IMMUNE form "personal arrest or detention, Legal process of every kind and immigration restrictions.

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DEMS SEEK TO FORCE USA UNDER SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING SEAT AT UN AND ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT---PART C
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 13, 2009 8:35 PM   
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Oh then then lastly, the "salaries, emoluments and allowances" of the judges prosecutor deputy prosecutor and the registras of the ICC ARE EXEMPT from taxaition.

What hypocrites, it seems to run DEEP in the UN, but it indicates the lengths to which globalists will go to undermine National SOVEREIGNTY.

There's no mistaking it, the ICC SEVERELY undermines our Sovereignty and has over the years placed our troops at great risk.

It CLAIMS complete jurisdiction over every person in the world and it makes no difference to them whether or not that nation has even ratified the treaty.

And, FRANKLY our own constitution may soon be up to the interpretation of 18 foreign -and for the most part hostile-ICC JUDGES.

Long and short of it, the ICC is literally a dagger in the heart of our US SOVEREIGNTY, our freedom and our independence.

DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.

What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.

YOU CAN help PREVENT THIS by SIGNING PETITION on BEHALF OF PUBLIC at---American Center for Law and Justice--- go right away

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Pass it through the public to the banks
Posted by: reelectnoone on Apr 15, 2009 8:44 AM   
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What is a toxic asset? Is it a bad mortgage that faces or has foreclosed? Why not send the money to the bank by way of the home owner. That pays the mortgage ( no longer toxic ) the bank gets the same money anyway and the guy at the bottom of the pile gets to keep a roof over their head.

It seems every time these bail outs happen, they always have one thing in common. The taxpayer who is paying the bill gets nothing and the rich get it all.

Politics as usual.

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