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We're Still Getting Screwed: Geithner Plan Will Make the Rich Richer!

By Dean Baker, AlterNet. Posted April 1, 2009.


Some hedge and equity fund managers could make hundreds of millions or even billions off the Geithner plan.
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The new consensus among the experts who missed the housing bubble (EMHB) is that Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's plan to subsidize the purchase of junk mortgages and their derivatives will help alleviate the stress on the banking system. That's good news.

These geniuses have devised a plan that for $1 trillion (approximately equal to 300 million kid-years of SCHIP, the State Child Health Insurance Program) can alleviate the stress on the banking system. Note that no one claims that $1 trillion spent on the Geithner plan will actually clean up the banking system - that would be asking too much. The EMHB only assure us that this $1 trillion (more than enough to have energy conserving retrofits for every building in the country) will make things better. Isn't that enough?

Oh, by the way, some people will get very rich off the Geithner plan. Some hedge and equity fund managers could make hundreds of millions or even billions off the Geithner plan. And, under current law, they will pay a lower tax rate on this money than a schoolteacher or firefighter. Are you sold yet?

One other outcome of the Geithner plan is that the folks who bankrupted their banks and wrecked the economy will be able to continue to earn multi-million dollar salaries. Of course this is necessary, because who else has the skills to run these banks, other than the people who drove them into bankruptcy?

For some reason, every plan the EMHB have developed so far involves using taxpayer dollars to subsidize the bankrupt banks and keep them breathing a little bit longer, while offering opportunities for other Wall Street actors to get hugely wealthy. Some people say that the EMHB keep coming up with plans that enrich the Wall Street crew because they are so closely tied to the Wall Street financial interests.

It is, of course, possible that the EMHB are too closely tied to the financial industry, but it's also possible that they just lack the creativity and imagination to think of a plan that doesn't enrich the Wall Street crew. After all, these people lacked the ability to see an $8 trillion housing bubble, the largest financial bubble in the history of the world. So, let's see if we can help them out.

The core problem is that many of the largest banks are bankrupt. They are currently concealing this bankruptcy by listing assets on their books at prices that are far above their market value. In principle, they can do this for a long time, unless the government forces them to write-down the value of these assets. As long as the banks are bankrupt, they will not make new loans, limiting the ability of many businesses to get capital.

Instead of Geithner's plan to allow banks to sell these assets at a subsidized price, we can go the other way. Geithner could have announced a plan to clean up the banks, following a standard FDIC-type takeover.

This approach could harness the power of existing bondholders to help the government clean up the banks quickly. Geithner could, for example, promise to honor the banks' commitments to bondholders in full, if the banks recognized their losses immediately. Bondholders, however, would be offered a lower payback rate for each month that the banks waited.

So, if a bank waited one month, the bondholders would only get a guarantee for 90 percent of the value of their assets. If the bank waited two months, the payback would fall to 85 percent and so on. (Note the issue here is bank bonds that the government has no legal or moral obligation to pay off. The government will, of course, pay off the banks' FDIC-insured deposits.)

Under this kind of a plan, bondholders would place enormous pressure on the banks to recognize their losses. Bank executives that refused to own up to the bank's bad assets might even face personal liability. In other words, executives who lie about their bank's assets might not just lose the bonuses that came out of TARP money, they also might lose the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars they "earned" during the housing bubble.

If President Obama's advisers, all of whom are leading members of the EMHB camp, had more imagination, they might have devised a plan like this for dealing with the banking crisis. Instead, they came up with a plan that will enrich Wall Street and further punish Main Street.

Congress can try to bring enough pressure to make President Obama reverse course. At the very least, Congress should insist that when this plan fails, Secretary Geithner and others involved in drafting the plan are sent packing. We cannot continue to have a system that always ignores the mistakes by those on top and only holds those at the bottom accountable. The EMHB already wrecked the economy once; how many more times will they get the opportunity?

 


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Well. Obama certainly fixed that problem.
Posted by: xbj on Apr 1, 2009 1:11 AM   
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Didn't he?

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Screwing up bigtime
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 1, 2009 2:38 AM   
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No doubt about it--Obama is screwing up bigtime.

Damn the Democrats for stealing the nomination from Hillary.

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» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: Saidas
» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: noalternative
» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: techcafe
» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: photon's feather
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
» RE: It does not matter Posted by: mariorsx
» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: Tweck9
» RE: Screwing up bigtime Posted by: GeoL
Like Dubya, like Barry. Make the rich richer and the rest poorer
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 1, 2009 3:25 AM   
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Too bad the Obamabots and the Limbaugh dittoheads will vehemently keep campaigning to sucker voters into voting against their own economic interests. A lot of us knew Barry would be just like Dubya and voted outside the two parties on Nov 2008. I'll forgive those who chose Barry or Mcsame out of sheer reluctance and wished they'd have been a little more brave to looking at 3rd party options. Want more Paulsons and Geithners? Then keep voting status quo and getting screwed. Otherwise, join us in voting to throw out a lot of corrupt pols in both parties and bring in new progressive independent pols who won't tie themselves to Wall $treet.

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» Wrong ellie, not voting means voting for status quo. Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» RE: Wrong ellie, not voting means voting for status quo. Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» Sarah Palin... Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
Republican Lite
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 1, 2009 3:57 AM   
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Three quarters of a century ago, at the dawn of the New Deal, President Roosevelt had a number of Republicans in his administration. You see, In 1933 there were still a number of progressive Republicans left alive - a legacy to FDR's distant cousin Theodore.

That is no longer the case. There are no more "progressive Republicans". They're all dead. Obama should have understood this when he planted so many of these assholes in his cabinet and administration. The members of the GOP that Franklin Roosevelt at least agreed with his progressive ends (if not always the means). Sadly to say, President Obama just doesn't seem to get this.

I need a drink....

Lethal Nation

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» LIEberman laughs in our face Posted by: weathered
» Again, Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» RE: epublican Lite Posted by: fracuss
» RE: Republican Lite Posted by: GeoL
» RE: Republican Lite Posted by: monkeywrench
villager
Posted by: villager1 on Apr 1, 2009 4:50 AM   
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Obama will pay the price for getting involved with people who definitely do not share his views.

He underestimated the power of these elitists who are now laughing at the whole world and are busy lining their pockets again. He must realize by now that what he promised is all nonsense.The powers that be will not let him do anything at all and he, like all of us is, well and truly screwed - totally out of his depth.Like hackers trying to take on Tiger on the golf course - no contest!

The rich and powerful will destroy him unless he toes the line! They have already destroyed our civilization and not only do they know it but they do not even care,just as long as they benefit from the destruction.

To do the work of another is fraught with danger so it is very wise to be very careful who one gets into bed with - Obama has made a grave mistake and will pay for it dearly. They will destroy him totally!

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» RE: villager Posted by: fracuss
» The POTUS has power Posted by: leafsong1
Our Plutocracy at Work
Posted by: Midway54 on Apr 1, 2009 5:32 AM   
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So, what else is new? Our Plutocracy is alive and well. and will continue to be so as it fosters the increasing need for the military-industrial complex to the cheering of the plutocrats and their pathetic Dupes across the Country.

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» RE: Our Plutocracy at Work Posted by: fracuss
» RE: Our Plutocracy at Work Posted by: Midway54
Who's really laughing.
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 1, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Ever wonder why the first 'terrorist' attack was on the financial district in '93?Only to be 'fait accompli' on 9/11. Ever consider why they targeted the USS Cole and then the pentagon? Aimed for DC?
The were never after US- They were after the Military Industrial Complex.
How ya feeling now that we are all aware of the fact that Afghanistan is tarpit quagmire? The 'sucking sound' of Yrs in Iraq? The Wall street melt down? The reprocussions on our economy? All those bits of legislation throughout the last 30 yrs remove all the safeguards instituted after the last time WallStreet fucked US?
Who is it who has really threatened our Great nation and her citizens? Who's Heads do you really want on a Platter now?I am not condoning AQ acts of violence- but I have to consider their acts were a Red Flag warning as to Who was really our enemies.
If these 'Islamic extremeist' really hated US fro our Freedoms- why did they not go for soft targets or symbols of our values. Why not cause real terror by hitting the places we go or even our Lady Liberty. Because they were never after US.
But who has conducted frontal attacks and covert insideous assaults- the Corps who fly our Flag and their minions who walk the Halls of power.
A superpower has never really been brought down by assaults from adversaries from outside- but by the acts of those from within.From Economic collapse, the ambitions of Meglomaniacs or the weight of the greed of those at the top.
Our enemey is not a 6ft tall dialysis patient lurking in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Our enemies are sitting in Corner offices of Wall Street and sauntering the Halls of Congress,SCOTUS, The Pentagon and some still in the WH. They have not been a sleeper cell, they have be wagin a war against US for decades in full view- passing legislation, dividing US through irrelevant social issues and double speak about what constitutes Patriotism.I have found the events following 9/11 to be revealing about who truely 'hates US for our Freedoms' and it is the Enemies from Within.
The Deregulating Repugs, their cohorts in Blue, the Bush admin and their military mercenaries are the ones Bin laden was after- Hows that Crow taste?

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Obama relies on the *ssholes who got us into this mess
Posted by: sausage on Apr 1, 2009 7:32 AM   
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I know as a kid my parents taught me that when I got myself in trouble I had to get myself out. But somethimes a fellow gets himself into such a jam he can't see the way out without a different set of eyes with a different perspective. So why would anyone think that the incompetent *ssholes who got us into this economic mess, advocates all of the laissez-faire theory of market regulation who failed to foresee that it would lead to economic collapse, could get us, or U.S., out?

Rather than hiring Wall Street lackey tiny Tim Geithner and economic buffoon Larry Summers why didn't the president reach out to the author of this column, Dean Baker, Nobel laureate Paul Krugman or SMU economics professor Ravi Batra. At these these three guys saw the current economic collapse coming. As did Kevin Phillips.

This president and White House supposedly are open to comment and critcism from the public, unlike our last CEO-president. I've asked, via the White House Web site www.whitehouse.gov/contact/, why the president did not named at least one of the above mentioned economists to his economic recovery advisory board.

I've yet to receive an answer.

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» Nope. Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS
» You're just a culpable. Posted by: sausage
Al K.
Posted by: alkamm on Apr 1, 2009 8:02 AM   
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We have to take care of the rich. It's a key part of government. Many of them are expert at allocating capital and running businesses that can maximize benefits and efficiencies.
That being said, Obama has to put his foot down and insist that some firms have to change practices. He can only do so by encouraging Congress to enact regulatory legislation and jawboning.
Think of banks as drug dealers and us as users. We want those drugs flowing in thick and fast. We do not want barriers. It's sort of like the way the government allows drugs in so widely while claiming it fights a war against them. To ensure the drugs get in, we have to have rich drug dealers. We wouldn't want to put things in the hands of miserable drug users like ourselves. Where would we be then? Seriously. . .

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» LMAO!!!!! Posted by: sausage
» RE: LMAO!!!!! Posted by: left_witch
I prefer not to get carried away with this
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Apr 1, 2009 8:41 AM   
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I support Geithner's plan to get bad assets off the books and allow both government and the private sector to attempt to sell them and hopefully make a profit for all of us.
The real crime were the huge Bush tax cuts that Wall Street and huge oil companies still enjoy today. These are the same tax cuts Republicans announced today they want to make permanent - now that is the real issue. At least Pres Obama is making smart decisions in an attempt to rectify the almost depression Bush and these Repubs left all of us in.
The Geithner issue Dean Baker writes about, for me, is relatively a non-issue.

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» Dream on, Sunshine Posted by: leafsong1
It's a problem of class
Posted by: mariorsx on Apr 1, 2009 11:37 AM   
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Always has been. If the HENRYS (High earners not reach yet, people who make up to $375,000 a year), middle class ( I consider anything less $35,000 a year for one person, to be in the poor zone ) and the poor realized they are in the same boat, been brought to you by the GEEDY masters of the universe, the 1 percenters,then we would have the rise of the 99%. Unfortunaly, this will never happen, or it something does, it may be misdirected anger as usual.
You see, I have met people teeth problems, health problems, owning old cars...when you ask them what do they consider themselves as class, and most of them would say I am middle class! It seems they have no awareness of what it should be. In the fifties, a sole breadwinner sufficed to provide for small family, and we have seen the downslide since then. In fact now, we are more unequal as a society, since 1929! More wealth concentrated a top, with all the associated problems it brings for us 99 percenters. The masters of the universe, create bubbles at will, speculate on commodities and get to wreak the economy every now and then. I just think, they let their greed to far out this time.
It will take us 99 percenters, to overturn this state of afairs.The problem will be convincing the ditto heads, the obamabots, the rightwing rednecks, christians, agnostics, red, blue, etc. that we all are in this together, and who the real enemy is. Very difficult task, don't you think?.
Oh, and let's not forget about the war machine, that keeps expending money like the there is no tomorrow...
Proping up crooked banksters and not rolling back the empire, will bankrupt this country!

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» RE: It's a problem of class Posted by: jewels
"The more things change, the more they stay the same." R. Nader
Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 1, 2009 12:12 PM   
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That's why I voted for Ralph Nader. He also warned Congress on more than one occasion about the IMPENDING DISASTER years ago.
I saw the REAL ESTATE BUBBLE years ago.I KNEW it WOULD HEMORRHAGE & millions would lose their homes. The terms "CREATIVE FINANCING & ARM's" make my warning lights (so to speak) flash. I knew that the Stock Market would crash. I knew that when the Wall St. sh*t hit the fan it would make Enron look like a drop in the bucket. I knew that outsourcing good paying BLUE COLLAR jobs was BAD for America. I knew that importing cheap foreign workers to replace U.S. citizens was BAD. I knew these things up to 10 years ago.
And people actually told me I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT & THAT I WAS CRAZY! Except I was right. It happened.
The funny thing is I don't have ANY college degrees, in fact I had to drop out of H.S. in my senior year to go to work so we wouldn't be thrown in the streets!
After all it was Wall Street that said ALL these things were GOOD for the country, that the economy was strong because of these things
that there was NO bubble, housing values would only go up & this would last "forever".
We see how that worked out!
Keep pestering the President, you're elected (so-called) Representatives & Senators about how WRONG THIS IS. TELL THEM THAT THESE GREEDY WALL ST. CRIMINALS MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE & SO WILL THEY IF THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOBS! The more calls, faxes, emails & snail mail they receive, gets their attention. Especially when they're up for election!

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DEMS SEEK TO FORCE USA UNDER UN SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING UN SEAT
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 1, 2009 1:59 PM   
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RIGHT NOW friend and foe here and overseas, want to subject the US MILITARY personnel to indictment and prosecution by the ICC.

GERMANY AND ITALY have actually already indicted US CIA agents for supposedly capturing radical islamic terriorists.

This is an infringement on our SOVEREIGNTY and a dagger aimed at our US MILITARY.

As a result, they may soon want to charge our troops overseas whom are fighting against terriorism, with trumped up "war crime" charges.

Charges like claiming Americans committed genocide, or claim we committed crimes against humanity. There's a leftist group in Paris, plus Argentina, Sweden, whom want to charge Rumsfeld for allegedly authorizing torture at Guantanamo bay, and abu Graib prison in Iraq claiming 1984 convention against torture, which FRANCE has used in previous torture cases.

it's really time to put the UN on notice that the days where the USA would mindlessly supply it with money, men, military equipment and blood without conditions are simply over.

In fact the latest---the new UN SEC GENERAL has already stipulated he wants NYC police officers to serve in UN peacekeeping mission in places like haiti, kosovo, and liberia.

here is one more reason why

CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.

Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council.

Well, the anti-Americans at the UN wouldn't have any of it and the Abu Graib prison gave Kofi Annan the opening he wanted. The he tried to wrap himself in the human right mantle by claiming it would be unfotunate for someone to press for such an exemption given the prisoner abuse in Iraq.

We all know that if Mr. Amman really cared a thing about human rights he would have protested the revolving membership of certain countries with human rights track records. However, the Sanctimonious UN and Annan are always silent on the topic of human rights; except when it comes to taking cheap shots at the US

What they are really after is for the US to submit to the will of the UN and it's International criminal court. What they want is for the US to relinquish it's SOVEREIGNTY relagating WE THE PEOPLE of the US to the status of servants to the UN INSTEAD of being governed by WE THE PEOPLE

THIS would for example entail that any US servicemen serving in let's say Pakistan could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.

Take a second to THINK about this all of the globalists within and without the USA think the murderous Al Qaida terriorists should have these rights HOWEVER NOT OUR US SOLDIERS and NOT OUR US CITIZENS.

Even though we can't guarantee that no American soldier is ever taken prisoner by a foreighn state and put before the ICC, we at "least" make sure no US soldier and or civilian meets with this fate.

However, the ICC doesn't want to recognize the CONSTITUTIONAL rights that we as Americans are guaranteed. GET IT?? They too think our constitution is FLAWED.

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All those excuses....
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 1, 2009 2:00 PM   
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So, I guess Obama wasn't "smarter than that" afterall... I guess it was all hope and no change afterall... I guess it really is all about the owning class.

Hmmm... Cynthia McKinney's claims throughout the campaign were spot on afterall....

Oops, don't wanna be a barbituate lefty. Obama and his wiseguys just need more time... time to finish the gang rape whilst blathering on about not demonizing criminals who are raping us and leaving us homeless, jobless, and fully on our own.

Maybe the French really ARE the smartest fuckers around..... 1789 is looking better and better.

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» Re: The French Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS
» RE: All those excuses.... Posted by: techcafe
DEMS SEEK TO PUT USA UNDER SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING UN SEAT PART B
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 1, 2009 2:02 PM   
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Meanwhile the globalists Anti-American ICC supporters criticized Mr. Bush claiming we were "undermining international LAW, the reality, THEY were writing new INTERNATIONAL LAWS TO protect themselves.



RIGHT NOW --the GRINCHES at the UN want to create something called a TRANSNATIONAL TREATY where anything protecting our USA PUBLIC that happens in our courts that GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE gets kicked out of court would be sent to THE UN whom will then OVERRIDE THE WILL OF AMERICAN PUBLIC and ENFORCE it's SHARIA LAW rule over this NATION.

Don't believe it'??? it was on fox at 5pm today folks.

Want to know WHAT were the "agreement on the Privileges and immunities of the ICC" ratified with the assent of ONLY 10 NATION--it flat out provides the ICC immunity from "every form of legal process anywhere".

**They stated that the "property, funds, and assets" of the ICC "shall be IMMUNE from search, seizure, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference. And, the ICC and it's assets they said "are to be exempt from all direct taxes" including local taxes and customs.

** Meantime they want to IMPOSE the GLOBAL POVERTY TAX which would most certainly bankrupt the USA; while they engage in the Socialist rhetoric of how we are "selfish" for not wanting to pay more taxes. This is their idea of spread the wealth. Notice the funds are always going someplace else instead of to the PUBLIC.

How many people don't know all throughout history the spread the wealth has always been used in facist/socialist/communist elections.



RIGHT NOW-- OBAMA AND DEMS are attempting to seek a seat at the SHARIA LAW UN and the DEMS want to PUT INTO EFFECT ---TRANSNATIONAL TREATY---what does thaaat mean?? it means anything that the PUBLIC decides in court that is beneficial to WE THE PUBLIC that the GOV doesn't like --it WILL get kicked out of all courts at all levels and be sent TO THE UN international court WHERE they will IMPOSE THE WILL OF SHARIA LAW/UN court on the AMERICAN PUBLIC.

OBAMA AND WASH DC SLUGS WANT TO once again endanger this country by FORCING the US under SERVANTHOOD to the U-NATION which is SHARIA LAW. This will DESTROY our CONSTITUTION and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the USA AMERICAN public to govern themselves. --always the bottom line isn't it??

Long and short of it----the ICC MEMBERS have declared themselves IMMUNE form "personal arrest or detention, Legal process of every kind and immigration restrictions.

Oh then then lastly, the "salaries, emoluments and allowances" of the judges prosecutor deputy prosecutor and the registras of the ICC ARE EXEMPT from taxaition.

What hypocrites, it seems to run DEEP in the UN, but it indicates the lengths to which globalists will go to undermine National SOVEREIGNTY.

There's no mistaking it, the ICC SEVERELY undermines our Sovereignty and has over the years placed our troops at great risk.

It CLAIMS complete jurisdiction over every person in the world and it makes no difference to them whether or not that nation has even ratified the treaty.

And, FRANKLY our own constitution may soon be up to the interpretation of 18 foreign -and for the most part hostile-ICC JUDGES.

Long and short of it, the ICC is literally a dagger in the heart of our US SOVEREIGNTY, our freedom and our independence.

DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.

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DEMS WANT TO BRING USA UNDER SHARIA LAW BY SEEKING UN SEAT --PART C
Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 1, 2009 2:12 PM   
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prior to 911 USA law enforcement went to Yeman to arrest bin laden- the Yeman ambassador created a row claiming we were 'turf infringing' So CLINTON told USA LAW ENFORCEMENT to go home empty handed. this unbeknowngst to everyone was what allowed bin laden to create and lay groundwork and carry out 911 before bush got the conffetti brushed off his suit.

Meanwhile all during elections content with blaming Bush and REP for 911 and HIDING the fact that in 1999 sept 30 in a SEN/CONGRESS INVESTIGATION CLINTON ADDMITTED that it was DEMS AND ACORN faulty lending practices that would/did bring meltdown.

DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened

What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.

It's apparant DEMS are the only idiots whom equate 'surrender and appeasement' of terrorism to good foreign policy and good political progress.

Prior to elections we repeatedly had to complain to the REPUBLICANS that our posts were stonewalled by sites because no one wanted to know the truth.

to the present the problem exists.

What we as American's need to do is to LEGALLY and LEGISLATIVELY NOT LEAVE WASH DC alone until everyone of our FREEDOMS are iron clad protected.

see familysecuritymatters.org and Amer Ctr for Law and Justice

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Team Player.
Posted by: melpol on Apr 1, 2009 5:06 PM   
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The stock market is very happy with geithner. His remarks drove the Dow up four hundred points. He would be smeared if he challenged the interests of the big money players. Geithner knows where his bread is buttered.

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Seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 1, 2009 6:55 PM   
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So the government could either have guaranteed bondholders and let them clean up the mess OR it could, as it has, offer incentives to Wall Street to clean up the mess.

It's not clear to me that there is a significant distinction between "bondholders" and Wall Street. To hang such a fierce critique on such a hair's breadth is the best circus performance I've seen since the guy was shot out of a canon.

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GEITHNER...
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 1, 2009 7:32 PM   
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never trust a man without eyebrows

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THERE IS NO BAILOUTS FOR US IN THE GIETHNER PLAN
Posted by: cori on Apr 1, 2009 8:01 PM   
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There is no doubt that all the people of this nation and the nation itself would benefit from the same safety nets that Europe offers their people. With such an emense degree of suffering going on in our country, it is odd that safety nets for us are not a priority? Perhaps Democrats to not really want to be the majority because then they will be the ones to blame when people do not get the support systems and services thet are in such dire need of.

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TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT BEHIND IN THE NEXT " RECOVERY"
Posted by: cori on Apr 1, 2009 8:22 PM   
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REVISED:There is no doubt that all the people of this nation and the nation itself would benefit from the same safety nets that Europe offers their people. With such an immense degree of suffering going on in our country, it is odd that safety nets for us are not a priority? Perhaps Democrats do not really want to be the majority because then they will be the ones to blame when people do not get the support systems and services that they are in such dire need of.

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I didn't find much room for optimism in either an Obama or Mccain presidency as it was but this
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Apr 1, 2009 8:37 PM   
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pretty much confirms the worst. This might as well be Bush's 3rd term.

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There Will Be Consequences to Leaving the Middle Class OUT
Posted by: foius on Apr 2, 2009 1:53 PM   
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Since the genesis of these "BailOut" proposals, the primary focus has been on the supply-side (money-lenders/changers). Unfortunately, there can be no true economic recovery unless the "demand" side of the balance sheet is taken into account. A very simple proposal would allow for those taxpayers who make under $100k to have there debts resolved, written off, or paid by the Govt. and Corporate America in return for a credit rating that would allow them to purchase homes, cars, or whatever their incomes would allow once they were freed from any encumberances (liens). Just think of how much our economy would profit by allowing most middle-class, and lower class Americans to be able to buy goods and services within their credit limits. What's wrong Federal Govt.? Afraid that the American Middle-class will finally catch on to the real problem of speculation in the credit/debt markets? We need access to credit...Period!!! Is that so hard to understand?

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Gain-nerd
Posted by: om7buss on Apr 2, 2009 3:56 PM   
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whatever came from this guy is a rip off..www.henrybook.com

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Fooled Again
Posted by: RikiTiki on Apr 3, 2009 12:17 AM   
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Yes, we've been fooled again. What we've still got -- and it isn't going to change -- is government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Obama is more interested in re-election than in giving government back to the people. This election was about justice, not the pitiful crumbs the people are getting. If votes don't get the justice we seek, what will?

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so few so right
Posted by: grkjr on Apr 3, 2009 10:55 AM   
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Unfortunately the majority of voters, can't say if the majority of citizens as they don't vote. But, at least those who did vote and still support Obama, simply can't "get it" any more than those who still support the republicans with their leadership via "joe the plumber" .. simply can't get that the way obama "talks" is not the way obama "walks"... they couldn'g see it before the election nor after his election with his turn around on the war, on constitutional powers, on habeau corpus, telecommunications spying, and this economic crisis.. they can't get by his "great words" even while watching his appointments to his cabinet and everyone else he surrounds himself with for advice... They simply are too naive, too "hopeful".. they, like the bush followers before him, have stepped to the plate with "cult" like following of this man and his inability to see beyond what is presented to him by his circus of experts. so the very few who did not vote for obama having seen his "walk" versus his "talk" can now only sit back and watch the implosion and wait until we have hit bottom.... stock market way below 5000 (dow), continuing war and the lost opportunity for health care for all.... do not know if obama is ignorant of the alternatives because he's

1. Not hearing opposing views or
2. Bought out by wall street and bush warriors thus following the status quo.
3. Has an ideology that is in fact distorted to the degree that he can't manage a solution, much like the bush administration.
Can't be #1 as the failings of his solutions so far on every front would have necessitated his hearing opposing views by now.
Thus we are left with #2 or #3 unless someone has another rationale for his total failure on so many fronts with actions that are so opposing to his words. Buth then again he has fed his supporters little bits to chew on and thus keeps them in "hope" for better decisions to follow as he tracks down the same path.

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Wall St.
Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 8, 2009 2:59 PM   
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Where can I get a job & get paid to bankrupt a company, let alone a country? I'll do it for LESS pay! And get retirement for life when I get fired, if I get fired! LOL
Doesn't make sense. When I worked at a hamburger stand as a teen, we could get fired for screwing up orders!
And these CRIMINALS are being given lots & lots of money to "FIX" what they caused. Hey there is a pattern here. They used other peoples money to gamble, they won, other people lost & now they are using OPM to gamble some more. Either way they win & everyone else that isn't in their rank loses! I say "time to let the pitchforks through, along with the torches, tar & feathers!" SERIOUSLY.

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