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This Crisis Is Way Bigger Than Dead Banks and Wall Street Bailouts

By James Galbraith, Washington Monthly. Posted March 23, 2009.


Why the economic crisis, and its solution, are bigger than anyone has so far admitted.
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Barack Obama's presidency began in hope and goodwill, but its test will be its success or failure on the economics. Did the president and his team correctly diagnose the problem? Did they act with sufficient imagination and force? And did they prevail against the political obstacles -- and not only that, but also against the procedures and the habits of thought to which official Washington is addicted?

The president has an economic program. But there is, so far, no clear statement of the thinking behind that program, and there may not be one, until the first report of the new Council of Economic Advisers appears next year. We therefore resort to what we know about the economists: the chair of the National Economic Council, Lawrence Summers; the CEA chair, Christina Romer; the budget director, Peter Orszag; and their titular head, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. This is plainly a capable, close-knit group, acting with energy and commitment. Deficiencies of their program cannot, therefore, be blamed on incompetence. Rather, if deficiencies exist, they probably result from their shared background and creed -- in short, from the limitations of their ideas.

The deepest belief of the modern economist is that the economy is a self-stabilizing system. This means that, even if nothing is done, normal rates of employment and production will someday return. Practically all modern economists believe this, often without thinking much about it. (Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it reflexively in a major speech in London in January: "The global economy will recover." He did not say how he knew.) The difference between conservatives and liberals is over whether policy can usefully speed things up. Conservatives say no, liberals say yes, and on this point Obama's economists lean left. Hence the priority they gave, in their first days, to the stimulus package.

But did they get the scale right? Was the plan big enough? Policies are based on models; in a slump, plans for spending depend on a forecast of how deep and long the slump would otherwise be. The program will only be correctly sized if the forecast is accurate. And the forecast depends on the underlying belief. If recovery is not built into the genes of the system, then the forecast will be too optimistic, and the stimulus based on it will be too small.

Consider the baseline economic forecast of the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan agency lawmakers rely on to evaluate the economy and their budget plans. In its early-January forecast, the CBO measured and projected the difference between actual economic performance and "normal" economic performance -- the so-called GDP gap. The forecast has two astonishing features. First, the CBO did not expect the present recession to be any worse than that of 1981-82, our deepest postwar recession. Second, the CBO expected a turnaround beginning late this year, with the economy returning to normal around 2015, even if Congress had taken no action at all.

With this projection in mind, the recovery bill pours a bit less than 2 percent of GDP into new spending per year, plus some tax cuts, for two years, into a GDP gap estimated to average 6 percent for three years. The stimulus does not need to fill the whole gap, because the CBO expects a "multiplier effect," as first-round spending on bridges and roads, for example, is followed by second-round spending by steelworkers and road crews. The CBO estimates that because of the multiplier effect, two dollars of new public spending produces about three dollars of new output. (For tax cuts the numbers are lower, since some of the cuts will be saved in the first round.) And with this help, the recession becomes fairly mild. After two years, growth would be solidly established and Congress's work would be done. In this way, the duration as well as the scale of action was driven, behind the scenes, by the CBO's baseline forecast.

Why did the CBO reach this conclusion? On depth, CBO's model is based on the postwar experience, and such models cannot predict outcomes more serious than anything already seen. If we are facing a downturn worse than 1982, our computers won't tell us; we will be surprised. And if the slump is destined to drag on, the computers won't tell us that either. Baked into the CBO model we find a "natural rate of unemployment" of 4.8 percent; the model moves the economy back toward that value no matter what. In the real world, however, there is no reason to believe this will happen. Some alternative forecasts, freed of the mystical return to "normal," now project a GDP gap twice as large as the CBO model predicts, and with no near-term recovery at all.

Considerations of timing also influenced the choice of line items. The bill tilted toward "shovel-ready" projects like refurbishing schools and fixing roads, and away from projects requiring planning and long construction lead times, like urban mass transit. The push for speed also influenced the bill in another way. Drafting new legislative authority takes time. In an emergency, it was sensible for Chairman David Obey of the House Appropriations Committee to mine the legislative docket for ideas already commanding broad support (especially within the Democratic caucus). In this way he produced a bill that was a triumph of fast drafting, practical politics, and progressive principle -- a good bill which the Republicans hated. But the scale of action possible by such means is unrelated, except by coincidence, to what the economy needs.

Three further considerations limited the plan. There was, to begin with, the desire for political consensus; President Obama chose to start his administration with a bill that might win bipartisan support and pass in Congress by wide margins. (He was, of course, spurned by the Republicans.) Second, the new team also sought consensus of another type. Christina Romer polled a bipartisan group of professional economists, and Larry Summers told Meet the Press that the final package reflected a "balance" of their views. This procedure guarantees a result near the middle of the professional mind-set. The method would be useful if the errors of economists were unsystematic. But they are not. Economists are a cautious group, and in any extreme situation the midpoint of professional opinion is bound to be wrong.

Third, the initial package was affected by the new team's desire to get past this crisis and to return to the familiar problems of their past lives. For these protgs of Robert Rubin, veterans in several cases of Rubin's Hamilton Project, a key preconception has always been the budget deficit and what they call the "entitlement problem." This is D.C.-speak for rolling back Social Security and Medicare, opening new markets for fund managers and private insurers, behind a wave of budget babble about "long-term deficits" and "unfunded liabilities." To this our new president is not immune. Even before the inauguration Obama was moved to commit to "entitlement reform," and on February 23 he convened what he called a "fiscal responsibility summit." The idea took hold that after two years or so of big spending, the return to normal would be under way, and the costs of fiscal relief and infrastructure improvement might be recouped, in part by taking a pound of flesh from the incomes and health care of the old.

The chance of a return to normal depends, in turn, on the banking strategy. To Obama's economists a "normal" economy is led and guided by private banks. When domestic credit booms are under way, they tend to generate high employment and low inflation; this makes the public budget look good, and spares the president and Congress many hard decisions. For this reason the new team instinctively seeks to return the bankers to their normal position at the top of the economic hill. Secretary Geithner told CNBC, "We have a financial system that is run by private shareholders, managed by private institutions, and we'd like to do our best to preserve that system."

But, is this a realistic hope? Is it even a possibility? The normal mechanics of a credit cycle do involve interludes when asset values crash and credit relations collapse. In 1981, Paul Volcker's campaign against inflation caused such a crash. But, though they came close, the big banks did not fail then. (I learned recently from William Isaac, Ronald Reagan's chair of the FDIC, that the government had contingency plans to nationalize the large banks in 1982, had Mexico, Argentina, or Brazil defaulted outright on their debts.) When monetary policy relaxed and the delayed tax cuts of 1981 kicked in, there was both pent-up demand for credit and the capacity to supply it. The final result was that the economy recovered quickly. Again in 1994, after a long period of credit crunch, banks and households were strong enough, even without a stimulus, to support a vast renewal of lending which propelled the economy forward for six years.

The Bush-era disasters guarantee that these happy patterns will not be repeated. For the first time since the 1930s, millions of American households are financially ruined. Families that two years ago enjoyed wealth in stocks and in their homes now have neither. Their 401(k)s have fallen by half, their mortgages are a burden, and their homes are an albatross. For many the best strategy is to mail the keys to the bank. This practically assures that excess supply and collapsed prices in housing will continue for years. Apart from cash -- protected by deposit insurance and now desperately being conserved -- the American middle class finds today that its major source of wealth is the implicit value of Social Security and Medicare -- illiquid and intangible but real and inalienable in a way that home and equity values are not. And so it will remain, as long as future benefits are not cut.

In addition, some of the biggest banks are bust, almost for certain. Having abandoned prudent risk management in a climate of regulatory negligence and complicity under Bush, these banks participated gleefully in a poisonous game of abusive mortgage originations followed by rounds of pass-the-bad-penny-to-the-greater-fool. But they could not pass them all. And when in August 2007 the music stopped, banks discovered that the markets for their toxic-mortgage-backed securities had collapsed, and found themselves insolvent. Only a dogged political refusal to admit this has since kept the banks from being taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation -- something the FDIC has the power to do, and has done as recently as last year with IndyMac in California.

Geithner's banking plan would prolong the state of denial. It involves government guarantees of the bad assets, keeping current management in place and attempting to attract new private capital. (Conversion of preferred shares to equity, which may happen with Citigroup, conveys no powers that the government, as regulator, does not already have.) The idea is that one can fix the banks from the top down, by reestablishing markets for their bad securities. If the idea seems familiar, it is: Henry Paulson also pressed for this, to the point of winning congressional approval. But then he abandoned the idea. Why? He learned it could not work.

Paulson faced two insuperable problems. One was quantity: there were too many bad assets. The project of buying them back could be likened to "filling the Pacific Ocean with basketballs," as one observer said to me at the time. (When I tried to find out where the original request for $700 billion in the Troubled Asset Relief Program came from, a senior Senate aide replied, "Well, it's a number between five hundred billion and one trillion.")

The other problem was price. The only price at which the assets could be disposed of, protecting the taxpayer, was of course the market price. In the collapse of the market for mortgage-backed securities and their associated credit default swaps, this price was too low to save the banks. But any higher price would have amounted to a gift of public funds, justifiable only if there was a good chance that the assets might recover value when "normal" conditions return.

That chance can be assessed, of course, only by doing what any reasonable private investor would do: due diligence, meaning a close inspection of the loan tapes. On the face of it, such inspections will reveal a very high proportion of missing documentation, inflated appraisals, and other evidence of fraud. (In late 2007 the ratings agency Fitch conducted this exercise on a small sample of loan files, and found indications of misrepresentation or fraud present in practically every one.) The reasonable inference would be that many more of the loans will default. Geithner's plan to guarantee these so-called assets, therefore, is almost sure to overstate their value; it is only a way of delaying the ultimate public recognition of loss, while keeping the perpetrators afloat.

Delay is not innocuous. When a bank's insolvency is ignored, the incentives for normal prudent banking collapse. Management has nothing to lose. It may take big new risks, in volatile markets like commodities, in the hope of salvation before the regulators close in. Or it may loot the institution -- nomenklatura privatization, as the Russians would say -- through unjustified bonuses, dividends, and options. It will never fully disclose the extent of insolvency on its own.

The most likely scenario, should the Geithner plan go through, is a combination of looting, fraud, and a renewed speculation in volatile commodity markets such as oil. Ultimately the losses fall on the public anyway, since deposits are largely insured. There is no chance that the banks will simply resume normal long-term lending. To whom would they lend? For what? Against what collateral? And if banks are recapitalized without changing their management, why should we expect them to change the behavior that caused the insolvency in the first place?

The oddest thing about the Geithner program is its failure to act as though the financial crisis is a true crisis -- an integrated, long-term economic threat -- rather than merely a couple of related but temporary problems, one in banking and the other in jobs. In banking, the dominant metaphor is of plumbing: there is a blockage to be cleared. Take a plunger to the toxic assets, it is said, and credit conditions will return to normal. This, then, will make the recession essentially normal, validating the stimulus package. Solve these two problems, and the crisis will end. That's the thinking.

But the plumbing metaphor is misleading. Credit is not a flow. It is not something that can be forced downstream by clearing a pipe. Credit is a contract. It requires a borrower as well as a lender, a customer as well as a bank. And the borrower must meet two conditions. One is creditworthiness, meaning a secure income and, usually, a house with equity in it. Asset prices therefore matter. With a chronic oversupply of houses, prices fall, collateral disappears, and even if borrowers are willing they can't qualify for loans. The other requirement is a willingness to borrow, motivated by what Keynes called the "animal spirits" of entrepreneurial enthusiasm. In a slump, such optimism is scarce. Even if people have collateral, they want the security of cash. And it is precisely because they want cash that they will not deplete their reserves by plunking down a payment on a new car.

The credit flow metaphor implies that people came flocking to the new-car showrooms last November and were turned away because there were no loans to be had. This is not true -- what happened was that people stopped coming in. And they stopped coming in because, suddenly, they felt poor.

Strapped and afraid, people want to be in cash. This is what economists call the liquidity trap. And it gets worse: in these conditions, the normal estimates for multipliers -- the bang for the buck -- may be too high. Government spending on goods and services always increases total spending directly; a dollar of public spending is a dollar of GDP. But if the workers simply save their extra income, or use it to pay debt, that's the end of the line: there is no further effect. For tax cuts (especially for the middle class and up), the new funds are mostly saved or used to pay down debt. Debt reduction may help lay a foundation for better times later on, but it doesn't help now. With smaller multipliers, the public spending package would need to be even larger, in order to fill in all the holes in total demand. Thus financial crisis makes the real crisis worse, and the failure of the bank plan practically assures that the stimulus also will be too small.

In short, if we are in a true collapse of finance, our models will not serve. It is then appropriate to reach back, past the postwar years, to the experience of the Great Depression. And this can only be done by qualitative and historical analysis. Our modern numerical models just don't capture the key feature of that crisis -- which is, precisely, the collapse of the financial system. If the banking system is crippled, then to be effective the public sector must do much, much more. How much more? By how much can spending be raised in a real depression? And does this remedy work? Recent months have seen much debate over the economic effects of the New Deal, and much repetition of the commonplace that the effort was too small to end the Great Depression, something achieved, it is said, only by World War II. A new paper by the economist Marshall Auerback has usefully corrected this record. Auerback plainly illustrates by how much Roosevelt's ambition exceeded anything yet seen in this crisis:

[Roosevelt's] government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown. It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters, including Willem de Kooning and Jackson Pollock.

In other words, Roosevelt employed Americans on a vast scale, bringing the unemployment rates down to levels that were tolerable, even before the war -- from 25 percent in 1933 to below 10 percent in 1936, if you count those employed by the government as employed, which they surely were. In 1937, Roosevelt tried to balance the budget, the economy relapsed again, and in 1938 the New Deal was relaunched. This again brought unemployment down to about 10 percent, still before the war.

The New Deal rebuilt America physically, providing a foundation (the TVA's power plants, for example) from which the mobilization of World War II could be launched. But it also saved the country politically and morally, providing jobs, hope, and confidence that in the end democracy was worth preserving. There were many, in the 1930s, who did not think so.

What did not recover, under Roosevelt, was the private banking system. Borrowing and lending -- mortgages and home construction -- contributed far less to the growth of output in the 1930s and '40s than they had in the 1920s or would come to do after the war. If they had savings at all, people stayed in Treasuries, and despite huge deficits interest rates for federal debt remained near zero. The liquidity trap wasn't overcome until the war ended.

It was the war, and only the war, that restored (or, more accurately, created for the first time) the financial wealth of the American middle class. During the 1930s public spending was large, but the incomes earned were spent. And while that spending increased consumption, it did not jumpstart a cycle of investment and growth, because the idle factories left over from the 1920s were quite sufficient to meet the demand for new output. Only after 1940 did total demand outstrip the economy's capacity to produce civilian private goods -- in part because private incomes soared, in part because the government ordered the production of some products, like cars, to halt.

All that extra demand would normally have driven up prices. But the federal government prevented this with price controls. (Disclosure: this writer's father, John Kenneth Galbraith, ran the controls during the first year of the war.) And so, with nowhere else for their extra dollars to go, the public bought and held government bonds. These provided claims to postwar purchasing power. After the war, the existence of those claims could, and did, establish creditworthiness for millions, making possible the revival of private banking, and on the broadly based, middle-class foundation that so distinguished the 1950s from the 1920s. But the relaunching of private finance took twenty years, and the war besides.

A brief reflection on this history and present circumstances drives a plain conclusion: the full restoration of private credit will take a long time. It will follow, not precede, the restoration of sound private household finances. There is no way the project of resurrecting the economy by stuffing the banks with cash will work. Effective policy can only work the other way around.

That being so, what must now be done? The first thing we need, in the wake of the recovery bill, is more recovery bills. The next efforts should be larger, reflecting the true scale of the emergency. There should be open-ended support for state and local governments, public utilities, transit authorities, public hospitals, schools, and universities for the duration, and generous support for public capital investment in the short and long term. To the extent possible, all the resources being released from the private residential and commercial construction industries should be absorbed into public building projects. There should be comprehensive foreclosure relief, through a moratorium followed by restructuring or by conversion-to-rental, except in cases of speculative investment and borrower fraud. The president's foreclosure-prevention plan is a useful step to relieve mortgage burdens on at-risk households, but it will not stop the downward spiral of home prices and correct the chronic oversupply of housing that is the cause of that.

Second, we should offset the violent drop in the wealth of the elderly population as a whole. The squeeze on the elderly has been little noted so far, but it hits in three separate ways: through the fall in the stock market; through the collapse of home values; and through the drop in interest rates, which reduces interest income on accumulated cash. For an increasing number of the elderly, Social Security and Medicare wealth are all they have.

That means that the entitlement reformers have it backward: instead of cutting Social Security benefits, we should increase them, especially for those at the bottom of the benefit scale. Indeed, in this crisis, precisely because it is universal and efficient, Social Security is an economic recovery ace in the hole. Increasing benefits is a simple, direct, progressive, and highly efficient way to prevent poverty and sustain purchasing power for this vulnerable population. I would also argue for lowering the age of eligibility for Medicare to (say) fifty-five, to permit workers to retire earlier and to free firms from the burden of managing health plans for older workers.

This suggestion is meant, in part, to call attention to the madness of talk about Social Security and Medicare cuts. The prospect of future cuts in this modest but vital source of retirement security can only prompt worried prime-age workers to spend less and save more today. And that will make the present economic crisis deeper. In reality, there is no Social Security "financing problem" at all. There is a health care problem, but that can be dealt with only by deciding what health services to provide, and how to pay for them, for the whole population. It cannot be dealt with, responsibly or ethically, by cutting care for the old.

Third, we will soon need a jobs program to put the unemployed to work quickly. Infrastructure spending can help, but major building projects can take years to gear up, and they can, for the most part, provide jobs only for those who have the requisite skills. So the federal government should sponsor projects that employ people to do what they do best, including art, letters, drama, dance, music, scientific research, teaching, conservation, and the nonprofit sector, including community organizing -- why not?

Finally, a payroll tax holiday would help restore the purchasing power of working families, as well as make it easier for employers to keep them on the payroll. This is a particularly potent suggestion, because it is large and immediate. And if growth resumes rapidly, it can also be scaled back. There is no error in doing too much that cannot easily be repaired, by doing a bit less.

As these measures take effect, the government must take control of insolvent banks, however large, and get on with the business of reorganizing, re-regulating, decapitating, and recapitalizing them. Depositors should be insured fully to prevent runs, and private risk capital (common and preferred equity and subordinated debt) should take the first loss. Effective compensation limits should be enforced -- it is a good thing that they will encourage those at the top to retire. As Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut correctly stated in the brouhaha following the discovery that Senate Democrats had put tough limits into the recovery bill, there are many competent replacements for those who leave.

Ultimately the big banks can be resold as smaller private institutions, run on a scale that permits prudent credit assessment and risk management by people close enough to their client communities to foster an effective revival, among other things, of household credit and of independent small business -- another lost hallmark of the 1950s. No one should imagine that the swaggering, bank-driven world of high finance and credit bubbles should be made to reappear. Big banks should be run largely by men and women with the long-term perspective, outlook, and temperament of middle managers, and not by the transient, self-regarding plutocrats who run them now.

The chorus of deficit hawks and entitlement reformers are certain to regard this program with horror. What about the deficit? What about the debt? These questions are unavoidable, so let's answer them. First, the deficit and the public debt of the U.S. government can, should, must, and will increase in this crisis. They will increase whether the government acts or not. The choice is between an active program, running up debt while creating jobs and rebuilding America, or a passive program, running up debt because revenues collapse, because the population has to be maintained on the dole, and because the Treasury wishes, for no constructive reason, to rescue the big bankers and make them whole.

Second, so long as the economy is placed on a path to recovery, even a massive increase in public debt poses no risk that the U.S. government will find itself in the sort of situation known to Argentines and Indonesians. Why not? Because the rest of the world recognizes that the United States performs certain indispensable functions, including acting as the lynchpin of collective security and a principal source of new science and technology. So long as we meet those responsibilities, the rest of the world is likely to want to hold our debts.

Third, in the debt deflation, liquidity trap, and global crisis we are in, there is no risk of even a massive program generating inflation or higher long-term interest rates. That much is obvious from current financial conditions: interest rates on long-maturity Treasury bonds are amazingly low. Those rates also tell you that the markets are not worried about financing Social Security or Medicare. They are more worried, as I am, that the larger economic outlook will remain very bleak for a long time.

Finally, there is the big problem: How to recapitalize the household sector? How to restore the security and prosperity they've lost? How to build the productive economy for the next generation? Is there anything today that we might do that can compare with the transformation of World War II? Almost surely, there is not: World War II doubled production in five years.

Today the largest problems we face are energy security and climate change -- massive issues because energy underpins everything we do, and because climate change threatens the survival of civilization. And here, obviously, we need a comprehensive national effort. Such a thing, if done right, combining planning and markets, could add 5 or even 10 percent of GDP to net investment. That's not the scale of wartime mobilization. But it probably could return the country to full employment and keep it there, for years.

Moreover, the work does resemble wartime mobilization in important financial respects. Weatherization, conservation, mass transit, renewable power, and the smart grid are public investments. As with the armaments in World War II, work on them would generate incomes not matched by the new production of consumer goods. If handled carefully -- say, with a new program of deferred claims to future purchasing power like war bonds -- the incomes earned by dealing with oil security and climate change have the potential to become a foundation of restored financial wealth for the middle class.

This cannot be made to happen over just three years, as we did in 1942-44. But we could manage it over, say, twenty years or a bit longer. What is required are careful, sustained planning, consistent policy, and the recognition now that there are no quick fixes, no easy return to "normal," no going back to a world run by bankers -- and no alternative to taking the long view.

A paradox of the long view is that the time to embrace it is right now. We need to start down that path before disastrous policy errors, including fatal banker bailouts and cuts in Social Security and Medicare, are put into effect. It is therefore especially important that thought and learning move quickly. Does the Geithner team, forged and trained in normal times, have the range and the flexibility required? If not, everything finally will depend, as it did with Roosevelt, on the imagination and character of President Obama.


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James K. Galbraith’s new book is The Predator State: How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too. He holds the Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, University of Texas at Austin, and is senior scholar with the Levy Economics Institute.

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Ya better tell the President, he doesn't get it nor do the people around him.
Posted by: RR#1 on Mar 23, 2009 12:37 AM   
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Cheers,
RR

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The Extremely Greedy Repubs!
Posted by: bobtr900 on Mar 23, 2009 5:18 AM   
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That's really the bottom line.

If Obama can do as FDR did, then this totally Repub caused economic disaster will end shortly. But The Rethugs will do their damnedest to undermine his every move. Repubs create disaster and then turn it to their political advantage.

They used the Enron mess to put Ahnold into the governators job.

Bush weakened the New Orleans levies by stopping the Army Corp of Engineers from doing their normal due diligence. Then the Repubs prolonged and dragged out the cleanup and this allowed them to put Bobby Jindal into the governors job.

That's what they do! And they'll continue to do such, because that's what they do. They're predators who create or use disasters to frighten people, then do all they can to amplify those fears, then turn those fears into political advantage. That's what happens when they turn to corruption to win elections. Mike Connell found that out, the hard way.

Should we godless liberals do the same? Really, should we?

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Concrete solutions
Posted by: Dee1276 on Mar 23, 2009 9:36 AM   
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Finally, a writer who deals in facts and specifics. Mr. Galbraith's analysis of the economic problems and proposed solutions make sense! Much more sense than the yadda yadda stuff we're hearing from Obama and his economic "experts."

Could AlterNet promote this piece--get Galbraith on the Jon Stewart show, suggest that your readers flood congress with multiple copies of this article, send a copy to Michelle Obama (she seems to be more practical than her husband).

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leaders?
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 23, 2009 2:52 PM   
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they are the same as with bush and clinton and formers US presidents they are what it's called the hiden goverment, unveiled here...www.henrybook.com

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This Crisis Is Way Bigger Than Dead Banks and Wall Street Bailouts
Posted by: SailDog on Mar 23, 2009 5:25 PM   
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It was refreshing to read an intelligent response to the crisis we are in. It was also refreshing for an economist such as Galbraith to acknowledge the energy crisis.

Every post war recession has been preceded by a spike in oil prices. This one is no different. The underlying reason for this is that energy, especially energy from oil, is vital for our economies. And it is here that we are in trouble, for the net energy (gross energy less energy inputs into production) available from oil production is in decline. No amount of "investment" will change this basic reality. Feedback loops in the form of war, politicking and OPEC behaviour only act to make things worse.

There are no substitutes for oil that are worth a damn right now; and until there are this recession will not end.

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» RE: I Absolutely Agree Posted by: edgar_michel
No inflation coming?
Posted by: Uriahz on Mar 23, 2009 11:17 PM   
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I'm not sure I can support the argument against the likelihood of the US going the way of Argentina and Indonesia. As you say, the United States plays an integral role in much of global politics and economics. It is a hub of scientific pursuit, entertainment, and technology for the entire world. In that light, it makes sense for the world to continue to prop up the dollar, to hold the dollar as the most stable of world currencies. But it is important to note that although most of us in the US view our global military presence as a stabilizing force on the world, world opinion does not reflect that belief as strongly as we might like to think. As such, regardless of the relative merits of the idea, we can't reliably count on that particular argument swaying the global currency markets.

Next, consider the world situation. Climate change has created record drought with no end in sight, hitting China particularly hard. Experts expect a 20-40% drop in global food production this year alone. China, meanwhile, hasn't been able to feed its people locally in years. Their economy is currently dependent on western consumption of goods in order to maintain the importation of capital, resources, and food. They artificially devalue their currency by buying lots and lots of dollars in order to stimulate foreign investment in manufacturing and lower the price of their exports in the furtherance of that goal. They hold vast reserves of US dollars, more than any other single nation. They are currently keeping our deficit spending from negatively affecting the value of the dollar. Now, they're not the only ones, of course. But consider: what happens if China, looking to raise the value of the yuan so that they can better afford to buy food, decides to short the dollar? Now, they've got to know that there is very little the US could do to prevent a Chinese-led run on the dollar, and that any such run would also totally ruin the market for Chinese exports and also dramatically raise the buying power of the yuan in the global market. Right now they're paying for our spending spree because they believe that we have a good chance to get the engines of commerce flowing like they were before, because their less expensive goods gain market share in a downturn, and because they lack the political will to make the sort of gross shift necessary to realign their economy. They, like the Washington bureaucrats, figure that the system as it stands can be resuscitated for another cycle at least, and they fear the unrest that comes with the hard times that arise within periods of great change. For the moment, they are acquiescing to allow Washington a chance to figure this thing out.

But if they should feel that the US cannot be relied upon to get the ship righted, and that they will not be able to count on a return to rapid growth, all bets are off. Why, at that point, would they not pull the trigger? Sure, there are things the US can do to mitigate that problem. What's more, the US has a long history of being a 'good buy', and amid floundering currencies all over the world, many will still choose to do business in dollars. It's true, this isn't Argentina. There'll be no hundred-dollar loaves of bread any time soon. But that's not saying that inflation wouldn't rear its head. Much of inflation calculations are attached to real estate prices, and that's unlikely to move even with $10/gal gas and the cost of food doubling or tripling except perhaps in trendy cities with good public transit where the gas crunch can create increased demand. Say it's something moderately high, like 10% inflation. With the dollar in freefall like that, even if the spending is stimulating the economy, the people will be hurting, as speculators flock to commodities and drive prices even higher. The cost of living will skyrocket, particularly for food, water, energy, and consumer goods, exacerbating the abandonment of the US reserves.

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» Bringing it all together... Posted by: Uriahz
"Are you with us" ... or without good sense?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 26, 2009 5:03 PM   
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"The difference between conservatives and liberals is over whether policy can usefully speed things up. Conservatives say no, liberals say yes, and on this point Obama's economists lean left. Hence the priority they gave, in their first days, to the stimulus package."
....

The problem with Obama, Geithner and our congress is that they act as if the economic meltdown is due to a bunch of honest mistakes – or, that is what they think us rubes will believe.

This is 180 degrees wrong; the economic meltdown is the result of outright thievery by Wall Street insiders, in the mold of Enron (remember them?) but writ far larger – aided and abetted by the enforcers of finance regulations in the Bush administration deliberately looking the other way and a congress awash in dirty money (euphemistically called "campaign contributions") passing legislation making this thievery ever easier.

Right now, there should be a couple of hundred executives of financial institutions being frog-marched off to jail; but, instead, we get Geithner rewarding their criminality with MORE money, because "they are too big to fail." Bullshit! Take over these institutions, bring in new management and/or government auditors (ever mess with the IRS?!) and break them up as a matter of national security; reinstitute Glass-Steigel, tell the investors who bet big-casino on the financial malfeasance lining their pockets that they are simply going to lose some of THEIR money, and use the trillions being wasted now to put people back to work investing in AMERICA'S future, on infrastructure and alternative energy projects.

This stuff is not rocket science; so the only question left is: Is the Obama administration still feeding the Wall Street Beast out of ignorance and misplaced trust, or are they willing co-conspirators?

I voted for the guy, but now, I'm feeling betrayed ...

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Analysis A- ... Solution C+
Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 27, 2009 1:29 AM   
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I agree almost completely with Galbraiths' analysis. This economic crisis will be the greatest we've faced, probably ever. The reason I say that is that in the Great Depression all the requirements were already there for recovery. Demand just had to be stimulated ...

What we have today is the greatest debt accumulation in the history of the United States, twice the aggregate debt of the Great Depression, 4 times our GDP.

What we have today is an energy crisis. Sure oil is down now, but with peak oil as soon as any sort of recovery begins oil will shoot right back up.

What we have today is an environmental crisis. The drought today is worse than that of the 30s. Water shortages loom around the country. Climate change must be addressed.

~ Nationalization of all banks ... to get liquidity and trust back into the banking system. Get solvent banks back in business, nationalize Zombie Banks and create credit as a public utility.

~ Nationalization of the Fed ... Why should we borrow our own money? We need a Public Central Bank that creates our currency and credit for the benefit of the public who underwrite its value and shoulder the risk. It is time to reclaim our Constitutional right to the profit and prerogative of sovereign currency and credit.

~ HR 676 Medicare for All ... Saves millions of jobs, helps the under and uninsured, helps business, helps the states and can start to be implemented within a month or two and finished within 18 months. Galbraith completely misses this one.

~ Higher taxes on the well to do, the closing of loopholes and all income counted as ordinary income. The top rate, on over $1 million, should be at least 60%... A Carbon Tax, A Tobin Tax .... The budget deficit must be contained and can be with sovereign money, tax hikes on the rich and cuts to defense.

~ A shorter workweek ... Why should we have a 40 hour workweek? Efficiency has been going up for decades, yet real wages and benefits are flat and falling and it now takes two incomes instead of just one! The new economy won't have tens of millions of jobs in retail anymore, we have to spread the work. How about a 32 hour workweek? We went from 48 to a 40 hour work week six days to five and it worked just fine.

~ Bankruptcy "CramDowns" for consumers to keep their houses where possible and get them back on the right track. Acorn and other social agencies could prepackage BKs for bankruptcy judges. And then credit has to get much tighter.

~ Cut the Defense Budget by 50% ... we spend more than almost all other countries combined! Military spending is dead end spending.

~ A new energy economy based on the electric grid. All feasible renewable energy can be plugged right into the grid. Transportation, especially cars must be made electric. ( Tesla just introduced an electric that goes 300 miles on a single charge. The tech will only get better. ) Renewable and the grid will reduce pollution dramatically and address oil shortages and price spikes.

If we don't start demanding these reforms they will never even get considered ... We need big answers to big problems. What we have aren't tactical problems with the economy, they are deep strategic problems that require reengineering our whole economy; government budgets, health, tax and defense policies.

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» RE: Analysis A- ... Solution C+ Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Analysis A- ... Solution C+ Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Analysis A- ... Solution C+ Posted by: bagsofsand
time to talk
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 27, 2009 1:38 AM   
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I don't know that Galbraith's radical, for Washington, approach is right. Inflation remains a serious, longterm worry. However, he tackles the question of inflation vs. growth. His model should be deeply and seriously debated, and not subject to the shallow politics that both Obama and the GOP, let alone the shallow Pelosi and Reid, engage in for short periods of time before they muddle through the next half baked "solution". Longterm effects and divergence from the usual must be disucssed intelligently, as the author does. The media needs to find an attention span somewhere beyond slogans, i.e., the stimulus package. (what if they gave a stimulus and no one came?).

Along with the Galbraith ideas, we should be seriously be holding a debate and examination of what are the real security needs of the US and what the economic effects would be of a major change in defense stragegy. Can we afford to disarm, even if we conclude our huge expeditionary forces abroad are useless?

Is our Congress bright enough to have a real debate?

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» surely you jest Posted by: Drclaw
Hyperinflation
Posted by: weathered on Mar 27, 2009 2:17 AM   
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Goldman Sachs;satan's investment banker, just took a position w/a S.African goldmine.

One goverment/One currency.
9/11, Iraq/Afgn theft, and a global meltdown. How very lovely.

Greed/deceit and hate isn't always a choice, for some, its in their DNA.

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Both parties are the same?
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 27, 2009 2:49 AM   
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Every now and then, someone shows up and chirps that "both parties are essentially the same."

This is arrant bullsh*t. People who say this would flunk a simple quiz on recent history.

Quick reminder: the Clinton-Gore were paying off the deficit. They simultaneously oversaw the longest sustained economic growth in U.S,. history, with higher growth at all levels. They made the Federal government smaller while they were at it. If they were part of a "shadow government," someone forgot to tell them.

Mt. Logan's Magic Book

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» RE: Both parties are the same? Posted by: pinnacle
» RE: Talk to Barney Frank Posted by: Sister_Lauren
please listen up Mr. Prez
Posted by: josesueiro on Mar 27, 2009 4:09 AM   
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Hopefully our President will read this and heed the advice. God help us if he doesn't. And why isn't this guy Treasury Secretary? I remember his father with enormous admiration and respect.

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how will history judge Obama?
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 27, 2009 4:36 AM   
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Did the president and his team correctly diagnose the problem? Did they act with sufficient imagination and force? And did they prevail against the political obstacles -- and not only that, but also against the procedures and the habits of thought to which official Washington is addicted?

Perhaps history will show that Obama was blackmailed. The simplest way to fix the problem would have been to repeal the 2005 bankruptcy law and restore the right of people to remain in their homes.

I am not convinced that Obama is a deliberate sell out. With his ethnicity and Harvard background he could have been a top corporate lawyer. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that his hope is that he can make a difference to the lives of most Americans at the price of having to satisfy (or not annoy too much) the predators who have the real power and the ruthlessness to use it.

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» RE: how will history judge Obama? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
"The rest of the world recognizes that the United States performs certain indispensable functions"
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 4:42 AM   
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The US has been living on borrowed time and borrowed money for the last 40 years. The only real thing that has been keeping the US show on the road is that oil has been traded in US Dollars. Countries all over the World had to have vast quantities of US Dollars if they wanted to import oil. The US quite happily printed them by the shipload (or the computing equivalent).

Meanwhile the contribution of America to the "Real World" economy - by that I mean Americans producing useful products and services - that the rest of the World actually wants to buy - has been in massive decline.

The idea that the rest of the World is going to continue to support America and the US Dollar is rather arrogant and foolish. America is like the banker slob on the Desert Island - that doesn't actually do any useful work to support the Island Community.

The rest of the World Community is beginning to notice.

Going Communist ain't going to help. Getting all your armed forces back home to America would be a good start. A massive new program to Develop Leading Edge Science and Technology - you know the sort of stuff you used to do 40 years ago - might actually regain you some respect - providing the results were actually beneficial and not destructive.

Sitting around being fat, arrogant and threatening is not a good long term strategy.

Tony

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Obama is a Pawn of Federal Reserve Bank
Posted by: obamapawn on Mar 27, 2009 4:49 AM   
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Mistakes are not being made. This is all intentional.Destroy the value of dollar to establish new world currency controlled by private central banks, i.e. Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England,etc.


Go to www.911insidejob.net.

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Hegenomy is alive and well
Posted by: sibadd on Mar 27, 2009 4:52 AM   
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Good article, Spread it around. It's not a 'we're all going to die' op-ed but it does strike closer, than any analyses I've read so far, to what may be happening, when nobody really knows. It's the more poignant when I realise that some of the key actors described as being on the wrong side are members of my family, relatives who have been collaborators in the making of casino capitalism, people I've cuddled who've been creative inventors of leverage, or just a member of the police (so help her). A British perspective sees that men and women who thought they had become middle class are realising, directly and indirectly, that they they've fallen back into their parent's powerlessness, with no collectivities to turn to - hence the appearance of anarchy in early protests. The big tent is being evacuated. Those who dreamed it might be more than an illusion are beginning to call louder and louder to the ringmaster, demanding a refund of the tickets for which they'd queued a long time (no no no we don't want to go to a rescheduled performance - just let us have our money back). Puzzlement turns to vexation then rage and the most unlikely people are trying out, for the first time in decades or in their lives in many cases, the old them-and-us politics, abandoning (in Britain) New Labour's enthusiasm for the idea of heterarchy and governance, and networking between partners, returning to a hierarchy, government and interest, realising with a nasty shock that hegenomy is alive - always was. Forget place-shaping, localisation, bottom-up government, empowerment, citizen-participation, local asset-management (UK government policy jargon over the last 15 years). Watch what happens around the G20 early next week - confrontation is back and it's not just in Athens. No progress is made without conflict. I don't welcome it. It's ugly, but as a business friend of mine remarked as we pondered the future for ourselves and our families "This is going to be a bad time for us, but it might just save the world."

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» RE: Hegenomy is alive and well Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Hegenomy is alive and well Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Hegenomy is alive and well Posted by: tony_opmoc
Crisis = Corporate Crime State (Fascism) I
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Mar 27, 2009 4:56 AM   
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There is so much wrong with this rambling mess of a rant I only had time to pick out a signature howler:

"Second, so long as the economy is placed on a path to recovery, even a massive increase in public debt poses no risk that the U.S. government will find itself in the sort of situation known to Argentines and Indonesians. Why not? Because the rest of the world recognizes that the United States performs certain indispensable functions, including acting as the lynchpin of collective security and a principal source of new science and technology. So long as we meet those responsibilities, the rest of the world is likely to want to hold our debts."

This is pure fantasy.

The U.S. is no unique bastion of "science and technology". It has outsourced most of its science manufacturing infrastructure out anyway. America as a de facto Fascist state has no credibility whatever as a "lynchpin of collective security". It has become a nation run by Organized Corporate Crime and criminals that promoted 9/11 coverup into the genocide of an arrantly false 9/11 "war on terror" (war on a noun) at the cost of more than a million lives and 1000 lies according to the Center for Public Integrity.

The debt nightmare created by oligarchs that run the Anglo-American empire out of New York, London and Basil Switzerland has gone beyond $700 TRILLION dollars into derivatives debt stoked by the private Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) for over 10 times the entire planet's asset base and GDP. That casino debt is what Wall Street churned and burned through for much of its profits for the last decade and more. Some say the total derivatives debt figure is north of $1 Quadrillion dollars ($1,000 TRILLION).

Think about that.

All the Keynesian New Deal pipe dreams that Galbraith quotes and spouts here can never be more than a poor band-aid that could never deal with the true issue that created the meltdown by the very characters that surround and handle Obama (George Soros and Robert Rubin's allies and crew in Larry Sommers, Tim Geithner, etc, etc, most of who are members of the shady Rockefeller G30 club and the CFR).

The true issue (one more time) is the west run on parasite extortion by monopoly criminal extortionists: in other words, phony "democracy" sold and disguised as Fascism 24/7.

Going into debt to bail out Wall Street "too Big To Fail" corporate Mafiosi to the tune of $13 Trillion (so far) and then spending some several tens of billions more in relative crumbs for the too-little-to-save folk may sound good for propaganda hacks but it will do virtually nothing to solve the core crisis.

Nationalizing a banking system under a Washington circus already run by crooked corporate monopolists is not even near an answer.

What is needed is real accountability and a reboot of the economy back to honest money and genuine democratic government. That would mean nixing the privately rigged "Federal Reserve" Corp and demolishing the corporate crime class that now rules the Washington-MSM runway show. Jail time for some of the felons responsible for this crooked meltdown should be a priority.

Considering the power of the cartel corporate MSM propaganda machine behind the Wall Street Bailout crowd, I won't hold my breath on the likelihood of any of this.

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» "Racist"? Bite me, anti-Semite. Posted by: GuitarBill
Crisis = Corporate Crime State (Fascism) II
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Mar 27, 2009 4:57 AM   
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"In 1913, the money power of the country was taken away from the people. By constitutional privilege it belongs with the Congress, but it was given up in the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. But yet it has the power to determine the direction and use of money in our economy. If we could take that power back and put the Federal Reserve under Treasury, we start to be in a position of being able to control monetary policy on behalf of the United States people."
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (former Presidential candidate at Congress C-Span January 9th, 2009)

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)

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hopeful
Posted by: jon B on Mar 27, 2009 5:02 AM   
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This is one of the best analysis of the overall problem and the solutions.

He doesn't spend a lot of time blaming past stupidity on the individuals that caused this mess (although he certainly could), instead he explains what the situation is now, today, and what needs to be done.

The solutions are hopeful. Whether they work over the long term only the future will tell, but Galbraith makes a good argument that they will work as a package explaining that much of the ideas will take a long time to come to fruition.

The wall; our political system is polluted and now nearly designed to fail in planning anything long term. Everything is about winning the next election and long term policies don't produce results soon enough. So, short term policies that sometimes make it appear that a problem was solved quickly (just in time for the next election) usually are failures over the long term. Thus the same problem rears up again later and gets another short term solution.

Further, campaign coffers of our politicians are simply filled up by the very same people that need to be regulated, Wall Street, corporations, etc. How for instance can we ever expect to have a real national health care system or fix medicare when all the private health companies dole out dollars to politicians?

So, I feel that Galbraith has his finger on the problems and has proposed some good long term solutions (that if we as a nation really get behind would make us feel hopeful), I also feel our political system needs an overhaul as much as the economy. And a political overhaul would be even harder to accomplish than Galbraith's ideas. In fact, I think that without political reform, we will get nowhere on the long term economics.

By the way, political reform seems to NEVER get much attention in alternet, is this not something that interests progressives? Or is it that political reform is so difficult to achieve that talking about it is moot?

And a side note about WWII helping the economy. This is true enough, but one factor that I think also contributed but is seldom mentioned is that WWII killed and severely injured so many young males that there must have been some effect to the employment picture. Less working males (mostly white) meant jobs had to be filled by minorities and women. Those massive casualties of WWII changed the economy here at home in various ways, first by removing white men from jobs or the unemployed, permanently.

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» RE: hopeful Posted by: percipi22
» RE: hopeful Posted by: jon B
Our broken ecomomy
Posted by: 22ko on Mar 27, 2009 5:10 AM   
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What a clear and concise analysis of what needs to be done. I think the key here is sacrifice, as pointed out that the economy recovered during WWII, when the govt. halted production of goods (automobiles), rationing, etc. There isn't a quick fix for our immediate-gratification generation. We all will need to sacrifice.

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» RE: Our broken ecomomy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
The George W. Bush Economic collapse
Posted by: US Citizen on Mar 27, 2009 5:28 AM   
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While nearly everyone else was giving George W. Bush a free ride, a few of us realized early on that we had a particularly willful ignorant vicious President in Bush. The Bush administration's goal was to hold off the impending crisis until he was safely out of office, but the collapse started in October after nearly eight years of Bush misrule. Now Barack Obama is left with the formidable task of trying to save the United States from the George W. Bush economic collapse.

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if i weren't so old
Posted by: percipi22 on Mar 27, 2009 5:33 AM   
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if i weren't so old, (at least 51 feels old today) I would come to UT and study economics under you Mr. Galbraith.
Under normal circumstances my little gift store would have done okay and the paltry credit card debt i ran it on would have been fine. But with every passing day since "that man" came to office in 2000 to push more energy into the "shock and awe" of free market democracy, my little endeavor didn't stand a chance. Neither have I since getting out of highschool, and the anti intellectualism ( see Mr. Seigals article) hasn't helped me especially with a masters in hand. Over qualified is the new prejudicial pejorative thrown about. thanks for your lesson in economics,

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Destroy free markets
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Mar 27, 2009 6:47 AM   
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The one thing that Wall Street has succeeded in doing is to destroy any possibility of a free market in financial assets. Treasury bonds are bought back by the Fed (both above and below board) to cap interest rates so that savers get screwed. Inflation and unemployment numbers are fraud. Stock prices are manipulated through the futures market along with gold and silver prices. Hyperinflation will be the future along with a collapse of the futures markets.

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» RE: Free market Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Free market Posted by: dover23
» Very "free"! Posted by: truthlover
Re-regulate the social meaning of wealth.
Posted by: j22 on Mar 27, 2009 6:56 AM   
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With finite resources and universal rights as the screens.

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tipping points
Posted by: hoppingfrog on Mar 27, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Both the word ecology and economics come from the the root oikos, which means home. Ecology is the study of the home where economics is the ordering of the home.

It is a commonly accepted principle in ecology, that there are certain points of no return. Ecosystems tend to be self-correcting, but once the systems are pushed past a certain point, there is no going back.

I would guess that in economics, things are somewhat self-correcting, but humans have show an amazing ability to push ecosystems past the point of no return. Why does anybody think we can't or haven't done this with our economic system?

In the ecological sense the main motivation for these destructive activities is following the profit motive rather than subsistence.

What motivated the people who orchestrated this event?

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» RE: tipping points Posted by: weathered
Um, the article speaks the truth and all but there's one major problem.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 27, 2009 7:05 AM   
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Barry's not listening where it counts and he's been consistent on that all through his 4 years in the US Senate and continuing as president. He's been and continues to play kissyface with Wall $treet while giving Main Street the middle finger. Obama's no FDR. He's Ronnie Raygun continued, make than Dubya continued !

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Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 27, 2009 8:06 AM   
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This scumbag is not trying to protect your privacy; he's trying to steal your identity.

If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.

Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.

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» Um, don't lecture me Posted by: GuitarBill
» Take it easy man. Geeeez. Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS
» Thank you, GuitarBill Posted by: pelican beak
Bandaids.
Posted by: melpol on Mar 27, 2009 7:59 AM   
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Patching up our troubled economy with bandaids works well as long as the supply of bandaids is infinite. There is no need for a permanent fix when a temporary one does the job. Besides nothing is ever permanent. As long as the unemployment rate stays below 10% bandaids are fine.

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» RE: Bandaids. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Economic crisis shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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when this USofA has had to borrow money from China to help finance the illegal war in Iraq and the second time they borrowed from China to pay out the the stimulus checks. We also have been borrowing money from other countries like Saudi Arabia and Germany, the latter having denied us any further loans. Even the Chinese are getting nervous now as they don't want to get stuck with our IOU's much as we stuck Social Security with after stealing from that fund. At present the Chinese are calling for a world currency as this US simply keeps printing dollars 24/7 devaluing the greenbacks further and putting us on the brink or point of no return.

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completely misses the point..I thought this one was going to nail it
Posted by: Zimbly on Mar 27, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Well Mr Galbraith is brushing the surface but still hasn't gotten the "punch line".
The idea is to implode the US economy and then offer a "solution" but things haven't reached the "rock bottom" point yet and the "Elites" who are planning this, know this. When things become dire enough, then offer the"solution" "as if" of course...as if it popped down from Heaven..in this case a "World Super currency"....just keep watching the News.. actually Obama on the 24th of March popped out just those magic words, eventually he will be "made to realize" that this is the only way out of the hole....this ALSO will be made to look AS IF..it was something spontaneous..when in fact this has been the plan all along.
The media as usual will help folks believe in this LIE, the idea is to keep the "masses" out of this.
The American people are not only being "fleeced" by criminals and crooks but will in the end lose their sovereignty and constitution( or whats left of it)..If the people protest too much, well what do you think all these cute little prison camps all over the USA are for?

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But Rick Santelli said
Posted by: orda on Mar 27, 2009 8:53 AM   
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the irresponsible, loser homeowners were the problem.

...such inspections will reveal a very high proportion of missing documentation, inflated appraisals, and other evidence of fraud. (In late 2007 the ratings agency Fitch conducted this exercise on a small sample of loan files, and found indications of misrepresentation or fraud present in practically every one.)

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» RE: But Rick Santelli said Posted by: US Citizen
True fer a fact
Posted by: SlyGuy on Mar 27, 2009 9:03 AM   
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As Jed Clampett used to say. I say, Hooray for truth and truth-tellers. This expresses my laments for the shortcomings of the current administration's approach to the nightmare economy. I couldn't do it better. In fact, I like many others, are feeling so marginalized by Obama's insistence on mainstream or right-leaning economists that, as one reader put, that the word "betrayal" is being used. I despair sometimes that the ignorance, even willful ignorance of the public and decision-makers is such that even if Jesus Christ came back to deliver these very sermons on the mount, people wouldn't listen or get it.

The failure of Obama to put a real diversity of viewpoints in his economic roundtable and appointments is either due to a failure of understanding and vision, or a tacit admission that the Fed and the banks are the real puppeteers and cannot be dealt with. What then?

As long as we are talking about reform, let's not forget to "recriminalize" credit default swaps, derivatives, shorting stocks, day trading, selling mortgages as if they were securities, and the other forms of fraudulent activities that got us here.

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» RE: True fer a fact Posted by: Zimbly
» Vipers' Den Posted by: truthlover
Barack Obama's Formidable Task
Posted by: US Citizen on Mar 27, 2009 9:12 AM   
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As if Barack Obama's problems weren't enough, all of his advisers come from recent administrations and are heavily vested in the current economy. If he wants to succeed, he will need to step outside the box and look at the problem not in terms of these hapless or worse advisors, but like FDR did over seventy years ago. Otherwise Obama could wind up another Herbert Hoover, too stuck in his own time and policies, not able to see the big picture. Obama will need to take widespread action to remove the misguided policies of the past thirty years.

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The Either/Or days are over--time for a Full Spectrum Economy
Posted by: realwealth on Mar 27, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Recently I attended an economics conference in Washington DC. butI left rather disconcerted. I came expecting to learn about new solutions for our economic malaise but got nothing much more than a lot of highly educated people saying that the ‘pendulum has swung’ and that government was to be given its rightful place in the economic balance. I shook my head in disbelief—this was nothing more than an ‘either/or’ game.

The days of “Either/Or” are over and there's another option. Its neither markets or government, Capitalism or Socialism. Republican or Democrat. Instead, it is all of them and more and it is called a Full Spectrum Economy*.

Right now, we have a 3 sector economy of markets, government and illegal activities that constitute the measurement of economic activities where one can build wealth and make a living. This is what sets up the ‘either/or’ game. You either work and make a living in the markets or government and for those who can’t find a spot the illegal activities. These 3 sectors measure only about half the work activities necessary for us to live life. It is what is reflected in the GDP measurement system.

The problem we’re having right now is that in a 3 sector economy, the markets are the sole place for new wealth creation—and this is tied to a 70% consumer economy. We can see when we stop shopping, the economy comes to a halt and that then requires the government to make up the difference. Everyone keeps hoping we’ll all start shopping again—but with global warming, resource depletion and a global population about to hit 7 billion returning to the consumer levels of the last 50 years is not possible. Yet, in our either/or economy, its all anyone can see as a possibility to get things going again.

But a Full Spectrum Economy is a 6 sector economy and it makes visible 3 missing sectors of work activities that have always been happening—but which have never been included in our economic measurements before. Without these 3 sectors, the current economy could never have functioned—but they have never been included as legitimate parts of the economic system. That’s because the current economic system is based on consumption, production and profits.

It's stuck in needing the never ending growth cycles of production, consumption and profits to continue forever. It's failing to recognize that we are moving past the industrial/consumer economy and into the knowledge/service economy

This new economy requires a broader range of work activities to measure. It is time to add the Household enterprise, volunteer service and natural environment sectors. This will move the eeconomy past production/consumption and profits and into building an economy that is based on caring for humans and the planet. It honors all 6 sectors: markets, government, household enterprise, volunteer service, natural environment and illegal (hopefully this one will shrink considerably)

Neither capitalist or socialist theory recognized what is becoming evident as we move into the post-industrial information economy: that a healthy economy and society require an economic system that supports optimal human development. By contrast, a Full Spectrum Economy recognizes that the development of full human capacity in addition to a healthy ecosystem are valuable components of a successful economy. This is the rationale for including the household enterprise, volunteer service (caring) and natural environment sectors into our economic measurements because this is where the work that will enable human capacity development to occur as well as ensuring we have a planet capable of supporting our lives.


*A Full Spectrum Economy is based on the work by Riane Eisler, “The Real Wealth of Nations…creating a caring economics.”
Ann@partnershipway.org

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A THOUGHTFUL AMERICAN
Posted by: foxxx on Mar 27, 2009 9:36 AM   
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WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND ABOUT BARACK OBAMA IS= WHY HE'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS, BUT NOT TELLING UP WHY HE MADE A LAW TO BRING IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS AND GIVE THEM OUR FORECLOSED HOMES? WHY KEEP IT QUIET? ALSO THAT ONLINE WITH OBAMA, WHY ONLY PICK CERTAIN VIEWED QUESTIONS? WHY NOT BE HONEST AND OPEN MINDED WITH AMERICA? WHATS HE AFRAID OF? IN EACH STATE A ISLAMIC TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS ARE OUR TARGETS. WE AMERICANS PLAN ON KEEPING OUR WEAPONS AND IF NECESSARY WILL START COMPANIES TO BUILD WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION AWAY FROM HIS FINGERPRINTING LAWS. IN CHINA, AUSTRALIA, THEY ABOLISHED ALL GUNS AND ONLY THE CROOKS HAVE GUNS AND NOW THE CRIME RATE IS TRIPLED. NO I WONT ALLOW OUR NATION TO BE GUN FREE. MY PEOPLE WILL NOT BE HARNIST TO MUSLIM RULE. WE ARE FREE AMERICAN CITIZENS AND WE CAN HANDLE THIS RECESSION, BUT NOT BE DRIVEN BY UNSAVORY LAWS LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS PROPOSING AND HAS PASSED BY SOME DEMOCRATIC SENATORS SO OLD THEY HAVE ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE. I'M AMERICAN AND I HAVE FOUGHT= 39 MONTHS IN COMBAT, BUT I DONT PLAN ON REGISTERING AND BEING FINGERPRINTED SO THE PALESTINIAN ARMIES CAN COME TO MY HOME TO ? BARACK OBAMA'S 2ND DAY IN OFFICE. HE SENT A COMMITTEE TO IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN, HIS 4TH. DAY IN OFFICE THE BLACK MARKET IN IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN ARE SELLING ALL UNITED STATES MILITARY PERSONELL ADDRESSES AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. NOW LIKE I SAID THEIR ARE ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS IN EACH STATE TRAINING TERRORISTS TO DESTROY US IN OUR HOMES. PEOPLE GO TO WORK AND THE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL AND THAT LEAVES THE REST VULNERABLE AT HOME FOR TERRORIST TO DESTROY. I SUGGEST THAT ALL WIVES BUY AND START LEARNING HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM? ALSO OBAMA DECIDED TO IGNORE GLOBAL WARMING. YET THE RIVERS IN AMERICA ARE FLOODING AND WHERE DOES THIS STRANGE WEATHER COME FROM? THE GLACIERS ARE MELTING, THE OCEANS ARE RISING, THE EXTRA FRESHWATER ON THE OCEANS ARE EVAPORATING IN ENORMOUS QUANITIES AND THE WINDS ARE BRINGING THEM WHERE EVER TO FLOOD OUT DRY LAND AND RIVERS. I SUGGESTED LOWERING ALL THE RIVERS 15 FEET, BUT ONLY THE ARMY ENGINEERS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE RIVERS AND REFUSE TO ALLOW ANYONE TO LOWER THEM OR TAKE LOGS OFF THE BOTTOM, INFACT IN WASHINGTON STATE THEY GAVE FINDS TO PEOPLE THAT TRIED AND LOWER THE RIVERS BY TAKING THE LOGS OUT, YET THE ARMY ENGINEERS RUN BY PRESIDENT OBAMA REFUSE TO LOWER THE RIVERS. THEY TELL US ON T.V. TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE, BUT WHEN ALL THIS EXTRA WATER GETS TO THE OCEANS, ALL CONTINENTS WILL LOOSE ABOUT 2 + MILES OF HOMES. I FOR ONE PLAN TO GET CRIMINAL ATTORNEYS AND SUE THE ARMY ENGINEERS TO RELEAVE THEM OF RESPONSIBLE OF RIVERS. AS IS WE CANT SAVE OUR FAMILIES AND HOMES WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. THEY IGNORED ME LAST SEPT/08 TOLD ME I COULD'NT LOWER THE RIVERS =REFUSED ME A LICENSE FOR 2 YEARS. LAST DECEMBER IT FLOODED HERE, BUT NO MORE. HAVE A NICE DAY. MIKE

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» RE: DO YOU ALWAYS THINK BY SHOUTING? Posted by: edgar_michel
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Posted by: mnstra on Mar 27, 2009 9:39 AM   
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We grow tired of these history lessons On Alternet

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If there are no prosecutions, it will get worse.
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Mar 27, 2009 9:41 AM   
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Obama is running a risk that he will soon be seen as
"no change"
from Bush.

If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,

Obama must soon Appoint a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for all Bush officials who violated Our
Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution

Avoiding prosecution of these well known Federal Crimes is an Admission by Obama
that He Supports Immunity for Bush, Cheney and Himself,

proving to all voters that high US officials
are protected from Federal Laws & our US Constitution
by their successors.


SIGN The PETITION To Prosecute Bush & Cheney for Torture
Over 63,000 have signed-Join Them.

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bankruptcy of ideas
Posted by: Gregsdiary on Mar 27, 2009 9:53 AM   
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"if deficiencies exist, they probably result from their shared background and creed -- in short, from the limitations of their ideas."

"ideas" like only being able to see their own self-interest and the demands of private interests as more important than public interest.

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Mar 27, 2009 10:39 AM   
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Our consultancy has throughout urged buying control of dodgy banks, and using this "mother of credit crises" to change "globalisation" fundamentally: escaping from the era of frivolous waste (the result of undirected laissez-faire capitalism) and organising wolrd wide investment in countering climate change, obtaining alternative energy. In sum - saving the world for humans, not financial predators.

So yes, we at JP Diplomatic Consultancy believe Galbraith and Krugman have it right: solving the banking crisis means taking over the banks: buy enough shares to ensure control. That gives control over the "toxic" debt: more public money is not needed.
And at thre same time investing on a world scale for the above purpose so generating useful, vital, jobs now - instead of giving vague undirected "stimulus" to return to the era of waste we humans must forgo to surive.

See also our www.dipconsult.eu

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Best Analysis I've Read
Posted by: BenL8 on Mar 27, 2009 11:16 AM   
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This is the best analysis I've read, complete with a plan to solve the crisis.

Between 2001 - 2007 the national debt -- a combination of corporate, consumer and government debt --- increased from $27 to $49 trillion, and of the $22 trillion in new debt $18 trillion originated from financial corporations. This datum taken from Jack Rasmus' article at Z Magazine, "Epic Recession Revisited." He states that the figures come from Flow of Funds report from Federal Reserve, I think. So the Credit Default Swap market grew astronomically, I think Frank Partnoy, law professor and interviewed on Fresh Air, said that the growth began after passage of the 2000 Federal budget, with help from Senator Phil Gram and a provision about Futures and Commodities trading. In any case, the bad assets are very large, and the tax payer has no relation or responsibility for them, they are essentially bad bets, gambling gone wrong, and Peter Dorman, another economics professor at EconoSpeak.org, says we could by-pass them by creating a public financial entity that would allow bad banks to fail while maintaining financial services run by the large government sponsored entity. There are solutions. And this is a great one by Galbraith.

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This is How Americans Express Their Anger ( I Do Not Approve )
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 11:21 AM   
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Personally I think it is far better to do it the British Way - Next Week

The Link Comes With a Front End Health Warning - You Need To Read It Before You Click To The Real Heavy Stuff

Tony

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change?
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 27, 2009 11:30 AM   
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we are in the same boat as before, we have now a black bush, that's all.......www.henrybook.com

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it's all an illusion
Posted by: richard0a37 on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 AM   
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This is an article written by prominent economist James K Galbraith who, like his father before him, writes with authority and conviction. But after reading it, I am unfortunately neither wiser nor any more informed than when I first started reading articles by economists some 40 years ago.

Ever since I can remember, economists have always portrayed the process of managing the ‘economy’ as basically crap, and if only it was managed in the way they think it should, then everything would be hunky dory.

Galbraith’s closing sentence tells us that everything will finally depend on the imagination and character of President Obama.

Suppose the guy had never been born, what then? I suppose that what he’s really referring to is the Obama administration collectively working together, pooling ideas and experience and expertise, bringing in huge numbers so highly paid consultants, and then rewriting or amending the laws.

So, what might be the grand objectives in all this, and what benchmarks should we apply to establish whether or not those objectives have been reached?

I remember the day I first started school 58 years ago. They said you’ve got to learn to read and write so you can pass your 11+, which I did. Then they said you got to get your ‘O’ levels which I did. Then they said: ‘now you’ve got to get you’re ‘A’ levels, which I did.

Then they said: ‘you’ve got to go to university and get a degree, which I did.

Then I started work. Then they said: ‘you’ve got to plan for your retirement, plus they said, you need to climb the social and career ladders because there is an objective out there somewhere that you should be aiming for.

In the meantime, I discovered I needed money – for drinking, smoking, having a house to live in, electricity and gas bills to pay, council tax to pay, telephone bills, car bills, insurances to pay on everything and anything, and on top of this, huge chunks of my pay cheque deducted at source, and before anything else, that seems to go into a bottomless pit, from which there appears to be no return.

Now, suppose we all woke up tomorrow and discovered that there is no more advertising industry, that the cosmetic industry had ceased to exist, that there was no more alcohol or tobacco, that there was no longer any entertainment industry or TV or radio, that there were only bicycles to get around on.

Imagine that the only things that existed were land to grow the food we need, the materials we need to build comfortable houses with clean fresh water and good sewage, plus the only shops those which sell the stuff we actually need to live a good life.

Unfortunately, the reality is that the only thing that seems to matter from the economist’s point of view is the existence of credit, and whether or not it is free flowing. In other words, nothing can happen unless you’ve got banks holding enormous quantities of money that they can lend at profit.

And isn’t it so that the real point about his article is the banks just cannot lend enough money at the moment. And we all know that the banks suck money from us in whatever way they can. The government sucks money out of us, In fact, we live in a world where everyone is trying to suck money out of us. We become obsessed with consumerism and find we don’t have the money to pay for all the things we need.

The real problem is that there are a relatively few individuals who feed off the rest of us. Alas, they can’t suck us completely dry, because we still need a few pennies to be entitled to get the credit in the first place.

The people would be better off if we didn’t have to have credit, but could live satisfactorily on our wages.

The system makes sure that will never happen.

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» RE: it's all an illusion Posted by: limburger
A quote from Galbraith Sr. that explains all...
Posted by: fearn on Mar 27, 2009 1:00 PM   
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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith

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Apparently The G20 London Protests Are Going To Be Broadcast Live From Over 1,000 Different Cameras
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 1:02 PM   
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I don't know the detail of how it works - cos I've been out of the business for over 4 years

But apparently - most kids mobile phones do better than SD Quality Video - almost High Definition

And the Kids just point their phones at what is happenning

All the video data gets sent (like a webcam - but multiple mobile) to Independent ISP Companies - who Instantly Rebroadcast it Over The Internet. I am not sure if the Major Mobile Comapnies are going to Charge For This (I think they May Do It Free Next Week) - or Are Doing It Themselves?

I get such information from My Children and Nephews and Nieces some of who'm work for Mobile Companies

I have no idea about the names of the UK websites are that you can get a live feed from - but I reckon there will be about a 1 second buffer - so it won't be completely live - delayed by about 1 second.

My lad says its something to do with the 2012 Olympics and much of the Infrastructure is Already Working and they are trying to get the Buffer time down to about 100th of a Second.

Tony

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GOP small business support....NOT, just more attacks
Posted by: wallisp on Mar 27, 2009 1:00 PM   
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Its so sad that Geithner and others can't address the methods the banks are using, against the American public and small business's today, until 2012. Increasing interest rates, manipulating credit scores, unfair fees, short billing cycles, and now, fees for online payments. The American citizens and small business, should not be bailing out these toxic bank executives and their policies. I seems like an all out war against the consumer! Why aren't companies, rallying aginst these financial monsters? Why are companies, to protect their customers, who shop with them, not in the news, rallying against this financial terrrorism? Come on business organizations, organize, protest, and protect your business. If the banks cripple enough people, who the hell is going to shop with you........no one. Cripple the credit card banks before they cripple your business any further. Tell the credit card companies, back off, or cancel their card services. Citizens in tent cities won't buy your products.

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Excellent Article
Posted by: krock on Mar 27, 2009 2:56 PM   
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This is really an excellent piece, and a jumping off point to discussion. And I largely disagree with it.

First, I do agree that the public's money must be spent on the public. It is our money. We come first. Taking care of banks has nothing to do with us. We wouldn't live in a system of huge fake wealth, and that would be hard; but our well-being and health is not tied to banking.

Second, I do not agree that the promise of publicly funded science, technology, and military should be viewed as some kind of collateral to keep the world invested in our debt.

I really appreciated the author's destruction of the imaginary view that cash is some kind of pool, sitting out there, and that all is required is to get it flowing again. The author rightfully demystifies the lending process and details that it is an exchange between two real parties, for real reasons.

It is important to point out, then, that this 'collateralization' of the promise of publicly funded science, military, and technology is not a mystical process where we simply make these things or provide these things and the world benefits. It is a real process, and an unfair one to the people who pay for it. Us, the commoners.

All science is publicly funded, all of it, all real science. It is funded through the Pentagon, using your taxes. Any and all discovery begins there, and is then handed over to private corporations for Private Profit. When a new discovery is made at Rice, or Tufts, or Columbia, or Harvard, or Cornell, or MIT, or SIT, or at any institution, it is Pfizer, or Eli Lilly, or GSK who will send this product out into the world. This is a pretty disgusting practice, and highlights the heavy inequalities in the system. Namely, that corporations do not have the same rights as human beings; they have more rights than a human being.

In a recent case involving an annoying little doll named Bratz, a very typical lawsuit arose, the type of which we are all quite aware. While working for Mattel, the creator of this irritation had a thought, and he sketched it on a piece of paper. That thought, according to US Law, was owned by his employer. Because the employer was paying him, and thus, paying for everything that comes out of him. This is a drastic oversimplification of the ins and outs of this ludicrous case, but we all understand the truism here and have witnessed it and even bought into it: so long as someone pays you a wage, they own you and everything that comes out of you. Fine.

Why isn't the same true of the American People? Why are they called on to provide this bizarre form of charity to the rich? Why are they not entitled to any powers or rights simply based on the truth that they paid for it all?

I expect many will view this point as unrealistic; after all we can't expect that much change, not with a president still firmly entrenched in privilege and power, having received something like $20 million just from Health lobbies in his run up to Presidency. Not the President who swore up and down he wasn't taking a "dime" from Big Health even while the most credible sources were pointing out that he had a price tag on his head from these very same corporations.

The problem is not related to some theory or other. We live in a backward time when we honestly believe into the notion that economics is a science. It isn't. It is supposed to be, and is, simple enough to be understood by almost any high school student. It is the rich and privileged who bend and twist the system with 'theories', and then require new theories to prop up lies, who then give each other Nobel Prizes for saying what they all wanted to hear in the first place. The problem is not who is running the system; it is the system itself.

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The Future Of Major Cities Across The World Is To Have Technology Wars
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Broadcasting The FASTEST Most Interesting ENTERTAINMENT

It is Nothing To Do With Wars and Killing People

It is a Technical CITY Challenge

I Reckon LONDON

Will Blow The World Away in 2012 Olympics

Not Even MANCHESTER will be able to beat LONDON (But I Know They Will Try)

China, Japan, Australia, Germany, Canada, Africa may well be in within a SHOUT

America Is TOO Much Up It's Own Arse - And Doesn't Even Realise What Is Going On

We are just hoping you sort of self destruct - or just fucking go away - or change or something and be NICE

If you are Nice and Stop Trying To Bomb The World To Fuck Entirely For Your Own Greed

We May Let You Enter The Competetion

Otherwise

Go And Fuck Yourselves

Tony

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Conservatives.. blah blah blah
Posted by: uncleeddie on Mar 27, 2009 3:31 PM   
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Watch "The Obama Deception". George Bush who tripled the deficit is hardly a conservative. Obama is more akin to Hitler then MLK. Wake up people before the Banksters (aka obama admin) completely destroy the free world.

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Oh yeah, THIS guy is the answer all right
Posted by: xbj on Mar 27, 2009 4:17 PM   
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The One

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A question about the plumbing metaphor
Posted by: pelican beak on Mar 27, 2009 5:16 PM   
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Re: "In banking, the dominant metaphor is of plumbing: there is a blockage to be cleared. Take a plunger to the toxic assets, it is said, and credit conditions will return to normal. This, then, will make the recession essentially normal, validating the stimulus package. Solve these two problems, and the crisis will end. That's the thinking. But the plumbing metaphor is misleading. Credit is not a flow. It is not something that can be forced downstream by clearing a pipe."

I'm not a plumber, but have learned enough to plumb my house, and know that drain pipes need to be vented to the air above all water fixtures. It seems symbolic of something that Galbraith didn't mention.

To drain well, there must be an opening to air at the very upper end of the pipes which drain your sinks, toilets, tubs, etc. That is the open-ended upward-pointing pipe which likely is atop your roof somewhere. Even if the drainpipe isn't clogged, smooth downward flow requires air pressure to be equalized behind the draining mass - hence the opening vent, upstream from all fixtures. It's outside the house instead of inside so funny smells from downstream sewage doesn't permeate your interior. The equalized air pressure doesn't "force" the draining mass through the pipes, but allows it to follow gravity without developing a vacuum space behind it to slow it down.

I understand Galbraith is arguing against the plumbing metaphor's suitability. But his failure to acknowledge what to me intuitively seems a subtle but key feature of good plumbing, which also seems ripe for symbolic interpretation in a banking metaphor, caught my attention.

A question for those better versed in banking and plumbing than I am: In the classical plumbing/banking metaphor, what (if anything), is represented by that open vent at the top of the drain pipes, which allows air pressure to equalize throughout the system, so that gravity can best do its thing? Is that germane to our present financial situation or this discussion?

Thank you.

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This is where it started...........
Posted by: RickW on Mar 27, 2009 5:27 PM   
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...........in Ronny Reagan's watch.

Read this book:
"The man who sold the world : Ronald Reagan and the betrayal of ordinary Americans"
-- William Kleinknecht.

All we have to do is reverse all the disasterous policies he instituted..........

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When You Have Worked Really Hard Your Entire Life And Believed That You Were Going To Get a Pension
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM   
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That You Have Worked For All Your Life As Promised In Your Terms Of Employment

By Your Employer and Backed By The Laws Of Your Government...

And You Are about To Sign The Final Termination Thing 3 months before your 65th Birthday - and Get Your Gold Watch

And They Sorry John

The Company Has Gone Bust

And No We Can't Pay You a Pension

You Say What Am I supposed to Do Now?

If I Can't Get My Pension - Can I Carry On Working?

And They Say NO

Sorry John - You Are Yoo Old To Work

Just Fuck Off and Die

You Get a Bit ANGRY

Tony

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National Strike
Posted by: u2r1 on Mar 27, 2009 8:19 PM   
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you Americans, your Founding Fathers are calling you from across the gulf of the centuries to take to the streets, to water the Tree of Liberty, now. If you do not now stop paying your income taxes, take to the streets and join together in a national civil strike and in other acts of solidarity you will surely all become history's new serfs.

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Ignoring the Elephant in the room
Posted by: eccentric on Mar 27, 2009 8:51 PM   
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This person has a generally nuanced and wide outlook and understanding of the situation. He seems well informed while drawing on positive result oriented efforts of the past when faced with similar collapse.

But...

A major difference between now and any past barometer is population vs resource supply.

In the 1930's and 40's we had a far lower population vs resource supply ratio, here and in the World as a whole. It in fact seemed limitless, the U.S. would not even hit it's own peak oil for another 30-40 years. Now we're near, at or past peak oil on a global scale with many more people to support.

All other supplies are under similar stress.

I'm not going to Google the numbers to sound smarter than I am, but I'm 45, I can remember hearing "3 Billion" "3.5" "4" "4.5" "5" "5.5" "6" and I think "6.5".

And we don't just eat, shit and sleep.

We manipulate materials to make Salad Shooters (tm). Hah

We live in, not on, a finite space. It may even be alive on some as yet undefined level.

We can't breed infinitely within this space without hitting the wall. A big wall.

It will correct itself, one way or the other. With or without our active assistance.

So I actually agree with a number of his New Deal inspired ideas. But there's the big pickle of supply and the consumption necessary to implement these. Brains need to be thinking about this right now, maybe employed by the government. No Gas no Go, no Go no Show, no Show no Dough, no Dough no Grow.....

A long term birth limit may be necessary, religion or species survival? They can both actually co-exist through logic. The Chinese may be ahead on this, if misguided on how applied.....

Anyway, Gonzaga just got their butt kicked. Time to pretend I didn't just see that and sign off.

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Entrenched Thieves
Posted by: marizara on Mar 27, 2009 10:23 PM   
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The mechanisms that are being used to convey money away from America have been in place for many years. -- Now that there is an emergency, and panic, the conveyor belt just moves faster, taking money out of here at a quicker rate, so as not to miss any opportunity. -- It keeps disappearing into a black hole, and the hand comes out again, begging for yet another handout. -- The reason it keeps working is that we have not yet figured out who the thieves are. -- They are hoping that we never do. -- We may be just gullible enough not to. -- Sorry bunch of turkeys, us. -- Cultural vampirism.

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Illuision piled on top of illusion
Posted by: richard0a37 on Mar 27, 2009 10:51 PM   
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The world in which we live is driven by a number of factors:

• Creation of money out of thin air by an arm of Government – a privilege accorded the central banks;
• The phenomenon known as fractional reserve banking;
• The law of diminishing returns

It is said that if you want to discover the truth, follow the money.

But what does that mean precisely? It means that basically, all money needs to find its way back into the government coffers. This is achieved quite efficiently in civilised countries, so called because they have very sophisticated tax collection tools – income tax, corporation tax, value added tax, sales tax, national insurance and so on, the important word being that it is collectible.

The question is not so much how much of the money supply gets returned to the government, but how quickly it should happen.

Let’s follow the money, £1 for argument’s sake that your employer has paid you.

Whoops! Wrong! National Insurance takes 11% that, and income tax takes 22%, so you only receive 67p while the Government has taken 33p.

You go to the shop and exchange that 67p for something. Straightaway,17.5% goes to the VAT which is 10.05p leaving 56.95p. If that sum is used to pay the shop assistant’s wage, then 12.53p immediately goes in income tax, and 6.26p goes to national insurance. Other money will gradually find its way back to government via corporation tax, but you have to follow the money, not the person or coporation who pays it.

And so on and so forth. Thus, in 2 exchanges – you and the shop, a total of 61.84p plus corporation tax has gone straight back to the government from where it originally came from.

Eventually, nearly the whole of the entire original £1 will find its way back to where it came from. This is known as the law of diminishing returns.

Via the concept known as fractional reserve banking, money created out of thin air is used to create an even bigger pool of virtual money (perhaps between 10 and 40 times the original amount) that is managed via virtual entries in databases on computer disks, and so long as no one actually withdraws any real hard cash, the process works beautifully.

One of the problems with the underdeveloped nations is that they have no good way to get back the original money through taxation. The money will circulate amongst the population, but the government may not see too much of it.

We often hear the phrase – the Government needs to raise money through taxation to fund its projects.

But this is a misnomer. The government already had the money to begin with. It’s the government, through the central banks, that supplies the money in the first place.

Throughout our lives, we all at some stage borrow money. This will be for a mortgage or a loan of some sort – to buy a car or whatever. Essentially though, it’s borrowing we think about, can we afford it, can we budget for it on a monthly basis. We know how much it will cost is the main thing.

But the most pernicious form of borrowing is the revolving credit kind through unregulated credit card transactions where, in addition to the monthly payout, there is also the insurance premium that is added to it.

All those individuals who took out subprime mortgages in all likelihood also had massive credit cards debts, and if that lot all dries up, then how does that affect the credit card companies who supplied the finance in the first place?

Very grimly I would imagine. If everyone ripped up their credit cards and decided to do without them, what would their lives be like I wonder? Would they be able to actually buy anything on their salaries? I doubt it somehow. Everyone is living beyond their means.

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Creating the perfect illusion
Posted by: richard0a37 on Mar 27, 2009 11:45 PM   
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The bottom line is that, by and large, everyone is paid too little, or at the least, their disposable income is kept deliberately low in order to force people to borrow money. Come salary review time, and the employer will no doubt say – sorry old chap, but times is hard, there’s a recession you know, and we just cannot afford to pay you any more money.

But take a look at the company balance sheet that it gives its shareholders. Then it becomes a different story, huge profits, made predominantly by keeping the salary bill as low as possible.

The work force should take a much bigger interest in the company report especially the bottom line. People could be paid far more than they are paid, if only they took the trouble to.

But - more pay, less dividend. I’ve even heard commentators say that the credit crunch means employers can no longer borrow the money to pay their employee’s salaries.

This has to be complete and utter bullshit. The money machine will use every trick in the book to find ways to avoid paying out any more money than it absolutely has to.

The money machine constantly sidetracks us with misleading information. Never in my life have I ever heard a news report or a government official or an economist say – ‘things are going really good at the moment, we can all afford to take some time off and relax for a while.’

Except at Christmas of course! Then, we spend weeks, if not months, preparing for that great day when we can in finally relax and stop worrying about the economy for a day or two. In the meantime, there’s this huge build up and massive credit card transactions as we seek to buy as many crap articles as possible to stick in stockings and give as presents, so we can all sit around the table and eat a meal as if it’s something we’ve never done before.

Hollywood must get desperate at times - hardly a film or a TV program is made that doesn’t mention Christmas in one form or another.

My guess is that the American psyche is in such deep trouble, the movies coming out are so technically brilliant that nothing we are watching is real. The movies create impossible illusions – armies where none exist, huge buildings exploding before our very eyes, monsters roaming the streets of New York, tornadoes wiping out Los Angeles, nuclear war devastating Kansas City, Martians terrorising the world, 3-dimensional images of the centre of the earth, planes flying into tall buildings. Oh sorry, that one really happened, didn’t it?

The American psyche is so brainwashed with high octane advertising, fantasy films, TV soaps that cunningly inject a stereotype into what is deemed respectable and acceptable family life, but I wished I had been in the USA in the months leading up to 911 so I could get a flavour for what was shortly to be unleashed on an unsuspecting nation.

911 was planned well in advance, and all the TV programs and news broadcasts would have been designed, planned and presented as part of the overall run up to that unforgettable day, making sure that no one would ever possibly suspect that the greatest TV show on earth was about to be launched.

As with Christmas, the money machine plans well in advance, they don’t leave a stone unturned in its quest for profits undreamed of. Nothing on this planet takes place without there being a profit at the end.

The 40” wide screen high definition liquid crystal display has about 2 million pixels that can each display millions of variations of red, green and blue – 2 to the power 32 in fact.

The program makers can create any image they like; there is now no limit to how realistic they can make any illusion. 911 is the best example yet of how successful they were at creating the perfect illusion – it’s the one that everybody believes was real.

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MIssing in action: Peak Oil and taxes
Posted by: dickburkhart on Mar 27, 2009 11:57 PM   
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Galbraith is right on, except for one huge fact: Peak Oil. With energy in decline, economic growth itself cannot be sustained. Thus the world won't have the resources to support all this spending without a lot more saving. That is, we'll need a huge shift in resources.

This missing ingredient is taxes: highly progressive income, wealth, luxury, and green taxes. Chuck Collins at the Insitute of Policy Studies was easily able to round up $500 billion a year in the US from a selection of these taxes.

In any case, the US will need to learn to pay its way before the rest of the world pulls the plug on the dollar.

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Missing in action: the global human crisis
Posted by: richard0a37 on Mar 28, 2009 1:34 AM   
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Suppose, by some peculiar quirk of fate, that everybody on the planet had roughly the same standard of living – that each individual had access to free health care, free education, regular meals, a decent house to live in, fresh running water, efficient sewage and waste disposal, nice school to attend, university to go to, basically all the amenities that we take for granted.

If God decreed that from now, this is the way things have to be, or else, all those individuals who have the power to make it happen would be wiped out, how would it happen?

Well for starters, the whole of the global military machine with its parasitic partners would have to be dismantled – save for local militias and police forces. Huge numbers of individuals from the developed nations would be forced to visit the lands of the poor and destitute and bring their livelihood up to the required standard.

All those industries and money making machines would have to be dismantled and the expertise, knowledge, experience and wisdom redirected to where it is needed.

Sounds farfetched? In times of war, citizens do get together and help each other to overcome tragedy and get their lives back together again.

The trouble is none of us have either sympathy or empathy with our fellow human beings; or at least we might do, but it does not extend beyond armchair or sentient posturing.

Resources need to be spread more evenly over the planet. Western technology needs to be injected to wherever it is needed. We are very good at building lovely homes and towns and cities and roads and railways and hospitals and schools and universities and sewers and everything else that enables us to live good quality lives.

But the political systems fuck everything up. They create nationalism and identity with an illusion – namely allegiance to the nation state or to a flag. Flying the flag – it’s a very clever trick. And its underlying purpose? At some point in time, I am going to want you to kill somebody for my benefit and not yours. Will you go along with it?

The answer to that question possibly goes someway towards explaining why there are perhaps over $1 quadrillion in derivatives products smothering a global real world economy that is perhaps 5% of that amount.

Mankind evolved out of monkeys or some such similar mammalian creature, but one of the biggest illusions we live by is in somehow believing that, like money, we were created out of the sand by an all loving all powerful God. Instead of appreciating and acknowledging our heritage, we have instead abused and ridiculed our source, and so we are forever doing battle with imagined enemies, creating an environment where money becomes the supreme God, worrying that we are not going to get our more than fair share of the liquid gold.

The world has become an almost impossible place to live on. One can only hope that one day, our collective consciousness will make an impact on how we as a species conduct itself.

Remember, in times of war, convoys of ships always move at the rate of the slowest vessel.

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kurt93
Posted by: politicallyincorrect on Mar 28, 2009 1:58 AM   
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So far Mr.Galbraith is the only economist who dares to expose the reality.
I do not believe that the Obama’s economic team could possibly fail to see the underlying causes of the present crisis and the kind of economic policy that would be required in dealing with it. The only way they could justify the largest transfer of taxpayer funds to the people who are responsible for the crises that we face today is to explain it as a liquidity problem, just like the way they justified the previous bailouts .

However, unlike the1930s, Americans today are burdened with extensive debt.
As Mr. Galbraith points out, during the last depression factories that previously produced the goods were still there, but idle. What was lacking was the demand for the products that they produced. Roosevelt's stimulus plan, at least, produced a partial recovery. Today, unfortunately, those factories are no longer here; we have eliminated them and shipped the good paying jobs abroad. Therefore, any increase in demand will only restart the collapsed container shipping traffic. We cannot recover even in 20 years unless we again produce all the goods that we consume in this country. (In the 50s we hardly imported anything from abroad). Otherwise, it will take even longer to rely on new industries to create well paying jobs at a massive scale in new energy and dealing with global warming.

Finally, unlike 1930s (when we were the biggest creditor nation on earth), we now own the largest foreign debt on the planet. While countries such as China will be investing their massive foreign exchange reserves in their infrastructure such as high speed rail and advanced subway systems, whereby creating well paying jobs so that their massive export industries will be operating in full capacity again, however this time they will satisfy their internal demand. They surely will not be buying our treasury bills to provide the funds that we will need for our giant stimulus spending. We will be left with massive quantitative easing that at some point will result in runaway inflation and become a major obstacle to the economic expansion that would be necessary to pull us out of the depression.

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Our Older Kids (Teens), Already Know...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 28, 2009 6:58 AM   
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...to NEVER EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN. We are now learning to identify the so-called "Blue Dog", company-friendly "Democratic" mistakenly-elected slobs, whose only aim is to stop any recovery. Evan Bayh's "Blue Dogs" is a good place to start identifying these creeps, and targeting them for removal during Primary Season.

And now I know, to my utter sorrow but complete acquiescence (now that I've read and digested James Galbraith's terrific article) why there has to be a war in Afghanistan. WWII did so much to restore prosperity, after The Great Depression: maybe this in Afghanistan will do the same for the Bush Second Great Depression.

Me? I would have liked, immediately after 9/11, to have seen a full-scale war mounted against the Saudis; 15 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11, were blood relatives to the Saudi Royal Family (which is what any Saudi citizen has to be, in order to be considered a Saudi).

I'd have liked to have seen Riyadh nuked, after 9/11: I remember how Truman nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki in response to Pearl Harbor. That's how you treat that kind of an enemy: you nuke 'em. You DON'T invite them to your home (ranch) to have once-monthly dinners to reassure them that the American public--thanks to you--has absolutely NO IDEA who actually committed the 9/11 atrocity, like Bush did.

This whole Iraq War was a huge mistake and has earned the US many deadly enemies in the Iraq/Arab world. The war should have been carried out strictly against the Saudis and their regime, and if it had not been for the pusillanimous Bush and his equally cowardly good buddy Cheney, that's who it would have been waged against.

Had a Democrat been in office, that's what would have happened. The fix was in, though, up to and including the US Supreme Court, and that's the only reason that Riyadh's still standing and not a heap of radioactive slag.

The Democrats proved, through Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that you better not fuck with the American People. And while that notion was, of course, cavalierly discarded by the Republican cowards in our White House at the time, Obama's Afghanistan war may be just the ticket to teach people across the world, not to screw with us. For sure, Bush's Iraq war has only been seen as the coward's way out--in no small part because, for the past 8 years, it has been waged by the cowards in the White House.

Well, now we don't have cowards like Bush and Cheney at the highest levels of our government. We have, however, inherited the massive problems inherent in leaving a gang of thugs in power for this long. Americans should have, in 2004, taken to the streets in immense numbers, in part to teach the power structure in this country that it doesn't pay to sell the American People out.

My kids know all this; I assiduously collected the history of the United States at war, from 9/11 on--with the Saudi connection well established. I have eight kids. They'll grow up knowing what set the greatest disaster in American modern times, in motion--what, and most especially, WHOM.

They are all but three, too young to vote. My oldest three, along with their Mom and Dad, cast their ballots for Barack Hussein Obama, and are prepared to do so again.

Obama ROCKS! War in Afghanistan or not--you ROCK, Obama, and this family's with you all the way!

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A Glimmer of Hope at the LBJ School?
Posted by: nmeyer on Mar 28, 2009 7:59 AM   
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James, I was startled to see you are at the LBJ School. That program was spoon feeding young, idealistic students standard, economic drivel in the early 1990s -- asking those students to mindlessly accept the garbage by demonstrating passing grades in order to earn their coveted degree: Master of Public Affairs.

I had entered that program in my 30s, already with a M.S. in Agricultural Meteorology -- seriously interested in real reform of public policy and looking for a community of people building solutions for world problems already obvious to those who were looking. A degree was not my objective, and so I was free to keep my eyes open.

When I spoke with the Dean about all this, she acknowledged my concerns, and we left it at that. I left the LBJ School, much less than impressed.

So your essay on “Alternet” serves me with surprise and hope. Perhaps the veil is falling from the eyes of those teaching ambitious, young people aiming to lead civil society into a brighter future through wise, prudent, brave public policy.

I hope so.

Thank you for your essay and good luck.

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While we weren't looking....
Posted by: Stew on Mar 28, 2009 12:45 PM   
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.....somehow, someone decided to Let Goldman-Sachs run our nations economy. What the heck!

Anyway, heeeerrrreeee's Chomsky...

http://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/03/27-0

Check it out.

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A Solution Now to the Economic Crisis
Posted by: kparcell on Mar 28, 2009 2:04 PM   
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Mr Galbraith,

Your essay is informed and thoughtful, but you are wrong in your conclusion that we must greatly expand and deepen the relief program and expect perhaps twenty years to rebuild. In fact, we can begin a strong recovery today and largely restore the economy within as little as one year - if we do the right thing now.

You write:

"For many the best strategy is to mail the keys to the bank. This practically assures that excess supply and collapsed prices in housing will continue for years."

And I agree, especially with "practically" because there is a simple way to end the excess immediately. And you write:

"With a chronic oversupply of houses, prices fall, collateral disappears, and even if borrowers are willing they can't qualify for loans."

I agree, and this is the underlying problem. Follow the money: "Credit default swaps" are the insurance we're bailing out for "mortgage-backed securities" that are tanking because mortgages are defaulting because home prices are collapsing because of a glut of properties dumped on the market. So it's the oversupply of houses for sale that is the leak.

And you write:

"A brief reflection on this history and present circumstances drives a plain conclusion: the full restoration of private credit will take a long time. It will follow, not precede, the restoration of sound private household finances. There is no way the project of resurrecting the economy by stuffing the banks with cash will work. Effective policy can only work the other way around."

I appreciate that you identify the core fallacy with the Bush-Obama bailout, which is that banks will not lend on real estate with collapsing values.

And you write:

"The president's foreclosure-prevention plan is a useful step to relieve mortgage burdens on at-risk households, but it will not stop the downward spiral of home prices and correct the chronic oversupply of housing that is the cause of that."

I agree with you on this assessment, and again you are ahead of the curve in recognizing that the Make Home Affordable programs will not reduce the oversupply. You're closing in on the solution and I'm surprised you haven't seen it inasmuch as you see quite a bit.

And finally, you write:

"Finally, there is the big problem: How to recapitalize the household sector? How to restore the security and prosperity they've lost? How to build the productive economy for the next generation? Is there anything today that we might do that can compare with the transformation of World War II? Almost surely, there is not: World War II doubled production in five years."

You conclude that "almost surely" there is nothing we might do that will be effective. Because you wrote so carefully and insightfully and yet qualified your conclusion with "almost", my hat is off to you. But there is a solution:

Buy the excess housing now.
The median home price is now correct and the oversupply has been stable for months. Thus, the US can purchase the two million excess homes now for $340 billion and resell them over several years, realizing a profit that will recover all costs.

For details visit http://twomillionhomes.net

This is the only way to end the crisis now, and perhaps the only way to prevent a depression, for the very reasons you've so correctly identified. Policy makers began with the assumption that housing prices are too high and that the market must be allowed to find its own bottom. But prices are no longer too high in most markets, and if we wait for the market to find it's own bottom then there is a high probability that trillions more in equity will vanish.

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purchase homes?
Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 28, 2009 4:25 PM   
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with what?? Debt?? And make a 'profit'?? With what....more debt??

You need Econ 101......." SAVINGS = INVESTMENT "

Or at least, that is the way it WAS when the Dollar was "AS GOOD AS GOLD"

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The real benefits are going beyond Social Security to Universal Services
Posted by: standardsoflife on Mar 29, 2009 10:46 PM   
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If we really want to right our collective ship and move our economies onto a new footing that provides a new economic model we need to go all the way to Universal services.
The big fix.

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