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Is the Future Going Down the Drain? Baby Boomers Going Bust

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted March 6, 2009.


Millions of boomers born into the dawn of the largest economic expansion in history are being forced to re-imagine their retirement futures.
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It all happened faster than you can say “senior discount.”

Millions of baby boomers born into the dawn of the most spectacular economic expansion in history are being forced to re-imagine their retirement futures. Few news outlets have failed to seize upon the low-hanging pun: the boomers have gone bust.

Among the adjustments forced by the new circumstances, perhaps the cruelest twist for many boomers is the need to join younger generations in the roommate queue. The housing crash has forced record numbers of late-middle age homeowners to take in boarders or risk becoming boarders themselves. From California to Vermont, home-share organizations founded to assist the elderly are scrambling to meet the demands of newly bust boomers.

“In the last few months we've experienced explosive growth in interest by homeowners age 50-plus to find rooms and roommates,” says Jacqueline Grossmann, Chicago coordinator for the National Shared Housing Resource Center. “The trend now is getting younger and younger. People in their 50s and 60s are losing their nest eggs and increasingly willing to give up their privacy in exchange for rents of $500, $600 a month.”

“We've seen a 400 percent increase over the last few months of people nearing retirement age,” says Rita Zadoff, director of Housemate Match, a shared-housing program serving the Atlanta area. “We haven't been this busy since we helped Katrina victims find housing.”

Kirby Dunn of Home Share Vermont reports a “huge increase” of boomers seeking roommates in the last six months. “There has been a dramatic shift from elderly clients seeking a 'protective presence' to younger people with 'too much house' seeking financial help to make mortgage and utility payments,” she says.

Most of the nation's home-share organizations were set up with the disabled and seniors in mind. They now appeal to bust boomers because they are generally free services that screen potential housemates carefully. “Older people aren't comfortable finding roommates through Craigslist,” says Zadoff. “They aren't as used to the idea of letting strangers into their homes.”

Boomers are maximizing room occupancy for the same reason that their kids in their 20s and 30s are still competing for the best group rentals on Craigslist: they're broke.

The extent to which boomer wealth was based on home values is highlighted by a new report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research, entitled "The Wealth of the Baby Boom Cohorts After the Collapse of the Housing Bubble." The report details how the collapse has left the majority of those around retirement-age almost completely reliant on entitlements. The net worth of median households in the 45 to 54 age bracket has dropped by more than 45 percent since 2004, to just over $80,000. Households headed by those aged 55 to 64, meanwhile, have lost 38 percent of net wealth.

“The collapse of the housing bubble has already destroyed almost $6 trillion dollars in housing wealth for homeowners," says report co-author Dean Baker, who testified last month before the Senate Special Committee on Aging. “This is compounded by the recent collapse of the stock market. The result is that many baby boomers will only have entitlements to rely on in their retirement.”

Make that entitlements, roommates, and each other.

As more and more boomers scale down their retirement plans and consider alternative living arrangements, it's worth asking: Is shared housing such a bad thing for aging boomers? Does a return to the Communal idea, borne of economic necessity, also have emotional, social, and environmental benefits? Why wait for the retirement home or hospice to live with other people? With the nation full of worthless, ridiculously large, and mostly empty houses, why not fill them with the newly penurious and like-minded boomers in need of housing?

Better yet: why not abandon these suburban houses altogether, and find more appropriate housing arrangements closer to urban cores, or build tightly knit communities on cheap rural land?

“Cooperation is the watershed in grappling with this economic downturn,” says Charles Durrett, of McCamant & Durrett, a pioneering architectural firm that specializes in ecologically sensitive shared housing projects for seniors and low-income people. “It doesn't make any sense—economically, emotionally, environmentally—for retired people to be living in these isolated homes and ranchettes, making thousands of individual trips to the grocery store and pharmacy.”

Terry S., a 62-year-old self-employed divorced psychologist in Pittsburgh, is one boomer considering the cooperative housing route. Until the crisis hit last year, Terry planned to spend her retirement between Europe and New York City, living off her IRA and savings. But the crash saw her wealth plummet by 60 percent. “My friends and I feel betrayed because we are now in the same or worse position than those who never saved their money, but may have a pension,” she says. The crisis forced her to rethink retirement, and she now plans to buy a house with her friends. She explains the logic:


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Just Abandon Your Home?
Posted by: edgar1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:29 AM   
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Ridiculous. And lose the rest of your already diminished assets and savings? Also, there is no evidence that the majority of the 'boomers' actually took part in the counterculture, socalled. Another liberal myth about the sixties. Many did, but many graduated high school or college, got married, went into the military, went to work in an office or factory. Like Mom or Dad. Many lived with mom or dad until they married or found a partner.

A minority, a small minority, lived the full commune, Taos-Woodstock lifestyle. Occasionally smoking pot in one's young adult years doesn't prepare you for group life in the elderly years.

Why do leftists think everyone was and is like them? Someone lived in all those single family homes built in the Seventies and Eighties.

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Boomers
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 6, 2009 1:54 AM   
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Still the center of attention, eh?

Being forced to bunk with some raggedy Gen Xers may be their worst nightmare, but probably good medicine. They'll get to see how the the rest of us have been living since they sold our future out to Reaganomics.

Just for fun, every time they start to whine about their situation, say "There you go again."

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Ruh uh! Is it Boomer-bashing time?
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 6, 2009 3:06 AM   
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Whenever the talk turns to Baby Boomers, the bashing starts.

Since we Boomers never sit around and bash the other generations, one wonders why they bash us all the time.

To put it another way: What the f*ck's your problem, guys?

On reflection, the answer is simple. The Baby Boomers get bashed constantly because they refused to go off quietly and die in Viet Nam. We refused to be cannon-fodder--and America has hated us ever since.

This is especially sad since our parents--the "Greatest Generation"--gave the world some of the most monumental screw-ups in human history.

They started and fought a major world war, invented and dropped the Atomic Bomb, created world fascism, gave us world communism, polluted the hell out of the planet, and started the arms race and the Cold War.

They also filled our food and environment with chemicals and made us cower under our desks in school to hide from the bombs.

After growing up in this nightmare, you can imagine how anxious we Boomers were to go die in Viet Nam for no reason.

Despite all the badmouthing, we went on to give America the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. history, the civil rights movement, the women's movement, gay rights movment, environmentalism, the greatest songs ever written, etc.

A simple thank-you would suffice. ;)


PS: My new YouTube clip--The Great Republican Depression

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» RE: uh uh! Is it Boomer-bashing time? Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» "Ruh uh!" Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: "Ruh roh!" Posted by: rancespergl
» RE: "Ruh roh!" Posted by: reason
» Thanks, Perry. You nailed it. Posted by: GuitarBill
» also born in 1962 Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» There Was A Time Posted by: edgar1
» There Was A Time Posted by: edgar1
» Generational culture war Posted by: Geof
Senseless to live in a big house?
Posted by: beachcomberT on Mar 6, 2009 3:32 AM   
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I love how blithely the architect tells seniors to give up their suburban houses. I'd love to know his age and dimensions of his abode. Actually, many seniors are very willing to downsize and move closer to civilization but are reluctant to take a fire-sale price, so they are hanging on, hoping real estate will rally at least a little bit in the next 2-3 years. Others are emotionally attached to the house where they have lived for 20-30 years, raised families, etc. They enjoy having holiday homecomings, with kids and grandkids flocking in to the old homestead. Remember, these boomer homes are storehouses of wealth that will be transferred to a younger generation within 10-20 years. Some oldtimers still are taking care of their kids, figuratively, even though the kids should be well enough off by now to be helping out Grandma and Grandpa. FYI, I am 62, sharing a 2000-square-foot 3-bedroom pool home with a partner and have postponed selling the property because its market value has dropped 30 percent in the last 2 years. Fortunately, we love our house and will put up with the high taxes and utility costs for a few more years. But the trade-off will be little or no overseas travel in our "golden" years, once one of our top goals for retirement.

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Spoiled children
Posted by: MaggieS on Mar 6, 2009 3:42 AM   
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It’s a sad reality that families would rather see their aging parents shack up with other aging parents – like they’re still kids and it’s still 1960 – than take them into their own homes. It used to be this way and for some communities – the Amish come to mind – it’s a way of life that works.

Those who want to blame an entire generation for the ills of politics or the birthing pangs of exponential technological growth are simply acting out of selfishness and irresponsibility. You see? I told you. Spare the rod . . .

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» my dad will be living with me Posted by: veggiegrrrl
"Please hand me that
Posted by: weathered on Mar 6, 2009 3:46 AM   
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'oakey, buttery' Chardonay.

Im an old bong-hit, packing my nose treesloth who really belongs in a 12-Step program but Im too arrogant and way too cool to admit it."
"Where's the remote, Im into 24"
Is Kefer in recovery?

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Boomers Are Supposed to Still Be Employed
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Mar 6, 2009 4:35 AM   
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The Baby Boomers, born between 1946 and 1964 are still not at retirement age. The oldest are only 63 years old in 2009. However, as a consequence of employer avidity for "fresh young blood" (particularly the imported, indentured, and inexpensive variety) most of the Baby Boomers are facing a very bleak economic future. Many have no retirement fund.

As I noted in my 2004 American Chemical Society annual meeting platform presentation, "There is No Looming Shortage of Chemists" for all levels of educational attainment (except professional degree holders) the peak earning years are between 40 years old and 50 years old, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. This is strong proxy evidence for employment age discrimination.

I was recently reviewing U.S. unemployment eligibility as a function of age. Eligibility "drops off a cliff" once the former worker is over 50 years old. This is more evidence of employers shunning the over-50 crowd.

I sincerely hope that the root cause of the phenomenon being obliquely discussed in this article, employment age discrimination, is explored at AlterNet. I hereby volunteer to write an article expanding on the themes I raise here.

The picture of millions of over - 60 year old homeless people, struggling without access to quality healthcare, is a very real possibility here in America.

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» No, what are you smoking? Posted by: GuitarBill
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Baby Boomers
Posted by: AlterNetBlogger on Mar 6, 2009 4:41 AM   
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The truth of the matter is that the Baby Boomers are now senior citizens, and very soon, will not be running the country and its institutions any longer. We all can see just how that worked out.

When we talk about generations, we have to generalize. This is not a 'bashing" of individual boomers, as I'm sure there are certainly wonderful boomers out there. I know some who are great people. They are also people who share my view (and those of younger generations like Gen X) that the Baby Boomer generation is a complete failure.

It's a sad thing to see... tens of millions of boomers (1939-1953) running around saying that '60 years old is the new 35' while ignoring the facts of life, while at the same time not taking responsibility for the total mess the Baby Boomer generation has wrought on the world economy.

The 'commune' strategy will not work. It did not work in the late 1960s, or 70's as many boomers of that era know already. It was a total failure, mainly due to the fact that the baby boomers didn't want to farm, did not know how, and were basically hiding out from the wrath of the Nixon-led conservatives from 1969-74.

After Watergate took care of Nixon, many boomers who opted out of society gradually crept back into the urban setting during the Ford years (1974-1976) and with the election of Jimmy Carter, began to settled into new careers and jobs just as the Baby Boomers, once rockers, now switched to Disco (1975-1981.)

The Reagan years (1981-89) and the Bush I years (1989-93) was the time of boomers who turned conservative (God only knows why) and the era generational boomer "me-ism" got its grand start during the 1980s, and continued right through the Clinton years (1993-2001) and through Bush II (2001-2009.)

The Baby Boomers have had two presidents, have run the corporate world, the financial institutions, the real estate markets, the schools, etc., etc., right into the ground. Take a look see at nearly every single industry that has been led, managed and run by Baby Boomers and see for yourself.

So, to complain that critical views of this "me-only" generation is "boomer bashing" is just plain wrong. People are seeing this generation for what it has been, and what it is currently.

They do NOT like what they see. Period.

The Baby Boomer generation has failed this country (and the world) and left a HUGE economic mess that rivals the First Great Depression. They've partied through excesses on all levels, wasted trillions on themselves, stolen, practiced corruption at the highest and lowest levels just because they feared getting older. All generations age, and the Boomers will be no different.

The greed, shallowness, ignorance, and immense corruption of this generation will be cited widely in history ~ and it will NOT be the Baby Boomers who will write it, but those who've had to suffer through the economic collapse the Boomers have brought onto the world.

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» Sorry, but I'm not falling for it Posted by: GuitarBill
» Baby Boomers 1939-1953 Posted by: AlterNetBlogger
» RE: Baby Boomers 1946 - 1964 Posted by: GuitarBill
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How to take over the world's finances
Posted by: obamapawn on Mar 6, 2009 4:45 AM   
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How to take over the world's finances
Imagine an international Federal Reserve that creates and controls the money supply for the entire world. The centralization of financial power into the hands of the few would be unprecedented. What power the Fed wields over the United States today, a "global Fed" could soon wield across the entire world.

Achieving such a power grab, however, is no small task. Nations will not voluntarily surrender power over their currencies...

Unless there is a crisis!

In a crisis scenario, nations will give up practically anything -- freedoms, finances, and yes, even their own currencies if it means avoiding certain economic disaster. If there's one thing that the world has learned from 9/11, it's that the best way to grab power from the People is to either engineer a disaster or piggyback on one that occurs on its own. When faced with the fear of annihilation, the People of any nation will not merely surrender their freedoms and finances, they will beg to turn them over to any apparent "authority" who promises a solution.

Go to 911insidejob.net for full story

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"Boomers" Already emptied the Vaults and are looking for more
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 6, 2009 5:08 AM   
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A Generational cohort is not defined by a spanse of years but by sociological events. the idiot who coined Boomers was a Sociological HACK!It is ridiculous to claim those people born in 1960 are anything like those who were bone in '45. Heres a better break down (give or take). '38-48- Boomers , born in a era that their parents mindset was on War. '48-'58- 'The Burbers'- parents were effected by expanse of Suburbanization. '58-'68-"JFK'ers"- parents became socially aware
I know this diversity because my cousins and siblings span these times in their Births.I am nothig like my cousins born to my uncles who Served in WW2. I was born to their sister who was 10-15 yrs younger (1933).
"Boomers" parents not only saw the horrors of a World War, they were cognizant enough to comprehend the hardship of the Depression leading up to it.They wanted to assure their children never experienced what they and their parents did- so they spoiled the shit out of them, giving them anything their hearts desired- reason the 'hippie' genreation was so Rebellious (their 20's- Not gonna be their asses on the line to serve their country), the '70's the 'sexual revolution' (their 30's), the '80's (their 40's and the New Boss)Conspicuous consumption.Thus began the age of waging war on 'entitlement' programs, The 'Tax 'Cry- Medicare/Caid,SS,Unions. All efforts to keep as much money in their own pockets and Societial Obligations the end of Infrastructure spending- schools, hospitals,roads...All the things their parents had Built thru The New Deal,Unionization - response to the injustice and dispair of the Depression & WW2.When they took power, in came Political treachery (Win at all costs), Corp domination and control,aka (Kill access to Free market for the 'lil' guy- Big Ag biz),To old to get their asses shot off in the military - so in comes Back 'serve your country ' patriotism and 3 Wars. Trickle Down Economics- Keep the Rich wealthy by profits made off the Middle & poor and then Hoard it.
So Now their asses could be in a sling and healthcare reform is important (esp long term care), Medicare/caid and SS are the '3rd Rail'- respsonsiblity to the aged is now an issue, but was not when their parents were living in Old folks warehouses, or at home eating dog food just to survive.
McCain- a Boomer- Now dares speak 'Generational theft'?? After his generation sucked the life blood out of their parents and screwed all those of US coming up behind??'Boomers' Doing Nothing is exactly How we got into this clusterfuck! No Regs, No Societal investments, no politcal, persoanl or business ehtics. Now that they are guaranteed to live to be 100 because their hearts won't stop beating even though they've had alzheimers for 2 decades,their concerned about US 'burbers' and 'JFK'ers' and their kids? Please,WHY START NOW?!? Reason- because they want to assure that in their next 30 yrs, they are as pampered and well care for as they have been over the last 70+. This group will be outraged by the condition of Long term care- they will not tolerate the under staffing, the 'Dorm' conditions, the 'lower classmen' medical staff..the peanut butter sandwiches.They couldn't have their imcomes taxed for their parents to have quality care.But now Nursing facilities will become Spas, with staff to cater their every whim.And guess who will get to pay for that. Burbers & JFK'er will have to celebrate their retirement party on the same day as their Funerals! My Epitaph will read "Finally bought the Farm".
Congradulations Mr. McCain and all your Boomer buddies- You all pulled off the Greatest American Heist.

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Riches and camels
Posted by: taxidriver on Mar 6, 2009 5:18 AM   
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Just think: The more money we lose, the easier it is for us to gain entry into heaven. For a rich man's chances are like threading a camel through the eye of a needle.

Is heaven a place without CEOs?

No more guilt about being rich! Let me in, Saint Peter!

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Myth of the Wealthy Elderly Exposed
Posted by: Russ Wellen on Mar 6, 2009 5:31 AM   
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So much for the idea conservatives like to spout that our wealthy elders are stealing from the young via Social Security.

Speaking of assets, this author is an asset to AlterNet.

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What is it with you people?
Posted by: mandiwrite on Mar 6, 2009 5:44 AM   
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How can anyone make generalistions like some posters here have done, about whole generations?
And how can you be so stupid as to think any of you are so much better than the previous generation, anyway? Humans have been doing this since the dawn of time, and I've yet to meet an age cohort which didn't contain people who would do the same damn stupid things, if presented with the same circumstances. If Generation X, Y, Z and AA bump up against the temptations of boom times, the same proportion of them will take up the offers as the Baby Boomers. You think the young are so savvy, they'll never fall for the lies of slimeball politicos? Think again. You are only wise if you actively make yourself so - and I'm sorry, I don't see that any more of the Gen Xers etc try to learn, adopt principles, look outside their own silly lives, be active contributors, than their parents did.
I'm deeply cynical about the human race. Clever bunch of apes we are, doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

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Great Ideas
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 6, 2009 6:08 AM   
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I think the author has some great suggestions. At least for social people who don't mind living with others. For die hard introverts like me who need solitude the way others need food and water, the thought of living with others depresses me beyond belief. I hope all the health nags are right and I DO get a premature heart attack. I just can't handle living with people for an extended period of time. Then again, maybe I could handle a bunch of mobile homes on common land as long as I have my own door to shut the world out.

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Tick-Tock..Tick-Tock
Posted by: Nodarse on Mar 6, 2009 6:14 AM   
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First, they scared us into giving up our liberties.

Then, they crippled our economy.

The last step is to eliminate the Dollar and bring our collective net worth to ZERO.

At that point, the great American experiment is OVER.

But, Hey!, let's be miserable together! And rediscover the joy of communal living. We are such saps.

You can't fight back once you are disarmed and out-gunned. You can't demand your freedoms be returned if you're starving and cold.

It appears however, that most us will wait until it's too late to get angry enough to reclaim our nation. When that happens, only a few thousand well-fed and well armed troops will be necessary to keep millions of us under control.

And we'll deserve it.

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Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 6, 2009 8:33 AM   
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This scumbag is not trying to protect your privacy; he's trying to steal your identity.

If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.

Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.

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Boomers
Posted by: sunlakedude on Mar 6, 2009 7:10 AM   
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Still, the boomers and everyone else for that matter, who currently live in large metro areas, should look long and hard at their suburban lifestyle. It will be even less affordable and feasible in the future. Walkable communities served by mass transit will be the wave of the future. I seriously doubt that we will come out of this recession/depression and go back to our old ways of doing things. We are entering an era of austerity and we might as well accept it.

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Reality check . . . I may be 56, but I am no "boomer"
Posted by: charles000 on Mar 6, 2009 7:27 AM   
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Reality check . . . I may be 56, but I am no "boomer"

I can completely understand the rage. If I were someone just starting out in today's disintegrating economy, I would feel the same rage. But here is a reality check you might want to consider for a moment.

There are a lot of us folks who were not part of the "new economy", the housing bubble, the dot com craze, or any of the other lunatic fringe fake economy boom & bust cycles.

I bought my house in 1979, a very small, basic house, because it's what I could afford. For most of the years I've been in this house, I rented out part of my house to stay on top of the mortgage payments. I've never owned a "high end" car - I still have my '93 Ford Festiva, currently in need of repairs.

I remember with clarity the so-called "gurus" of the new economy blather on incessantly about how they were the equivalent of gods, ruling the universe with their latest dot com get rich quick schemes . . .

I remember the same sort of delusions of grandeur come a bit later with the "make millions overnight" fly by night real estate investment schemes . . .

And there were many who looked at this, and knew, as it was happening, that this entire scheme of fake equity, fake economic growth, based on unsustainable infinite growth projections, was the stuff of lunacy . . .

But, no one seemed to want to hear the "reality check" voices that kept trying to suggest, to any who might listen, that this was a house of cards, on a very shaky table.

Well, almost on one. Because I also remember the reality check geniuses of the time, such as Dr Ravi Batra, who described this entire debacle as it was in the making, with remarkable clarity and insight, and how he was ridiculed and marginalized at the time.

But I wasn't laughing or ridiculing these warnings at all, and there were many others who could see the obvious as it approached.

My thought would be this.

What we are witnessing now reminds me strongly of pre-revolutionary France . . . with the corporate crime cabal scumbags uttering "let them eat cake" to the masses.

As I said, I do understand the rage - even if I am one of the so-called "boomers" by no other measure than the artifact of age.

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Who cares about them?
Posted by: johnshark on Mar 6, 2009 7:32 AM   
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They destroyed the world for future generations in order to create their "Huge Economic Expansion!!!" and so why should younger people care if derivatives destroyed their fake envisioned future?

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This is the likely start of a big movement
Posted by: alturn on Mar 6, 2009 7:40 AM   
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The point missed in discussion is the positive nature of cohousing. This is an exciting development and potentially will give rise to completely different way of living with others. It may lead to models that enable people to move freely among diverse residences around the world and enjoy a lifestyle now enjoyed only by the very wealthy. It may also lead to new modes of inter-generational interaction that prove healthy and stimulating for all involved. Or, through sharing, enable a person to experience a higher quality life for less. Just like the web has done.

The Reagan age drove underground the age-old concept of living together as extended community. As necessity is the mother of invention, this economic drought will likely lead to the reinvention of McMansions into new shared housing models. My neighborhood, which is filled with mega homes built in the 1920s and 1930s, saw their conversion into apartments. This time the model may be more along the lines of a time share. It will not be right for everyone but as models develop many will find this trend a wonderful gift.

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Oh No! Not Community
Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Mar 6, 2009 8:34 AM   
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You don't think we could stumble our way into becoming communities do you? An accidental neighborhood maybe? Happenstance associates discover friendship?

To re--imagine the future when I and the those I associate with aren't "networking" in order to make a buck off each other? Life when cash is not king? How could this be? Can we really imagine life populated with people rather than strategically analyzed target markets?

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As the old Bush adage goes -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 6, 2009 8:49 AM   
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we're all in this together. Yeh, and we are all going down together too no matter how well we have planned for our retirement years. My wife and I would be in good shape if it wasn't for Uncle Sam skimming off the top again on our investments - how long before the Feds rob more money from our Social Security? Try to visualize what the 'Golden Years' are really supposed to be like - nothing like what we've got now.

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Let's Loot and Kill Social Security Too
Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 6, 2009 9:02 AM   
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James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations” [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

"HEY, HEY, HO, HO, SOCIAL SECURITY’S GOT TO GO!”

This was the crowd chant welcomed by GOP Senator Rick Santorum when he met with his supporters.

We must not forget the Bush/GOP campaign to turn Social Security assets over to their Wall Street “Masters of the Universe.” And make no mistake about the Neanderthal Party’s intentions regarding Social Security. They’ll be back.

This and much more is discussed in "The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America," by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

You can now download for FREE the entire $25.95 book at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you consider using my free book as a resource to help restore and build America. Perhaps, if you are so inclined, you will also pass along the good word. I'd appreciate that.

See in particular the section entitled, ”Gutting Social Security to Feed the Super Rich,” (pages 231-42), which lays out in detail the damage inflicted by almost 30 years of Reaganomics.

If the GOP had completely achieved its final solution, we could now be asking the following two questions (and not just the first one):

(1) How’s your 201(k) doing?
(2) How’s your pirate-ized anti-Social half-Security doing?

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

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ya reap what ya sow
Posted by: The Big Raven on Mar 6, 2009 9:08 AM   
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Start paying for your undying support for all the things you really knew were lies but because they filled your pockets and kept you in control of the situation ,your peoples before you USED the same thing your now afraid of.
And as the greed corps and the immoral counties you support with un-dying love and military might eats YOU my people will be standing on the sidelines shaking our heads at your STUPIDTY.
Lets remember that ignorance can be cured and the ONly cure for stupidity is death!

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1968
Posted by: ClassAct on Mar 6, 2009 9:10 AM   
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The problem with the boomers is that we let 1968 slip by without bringing down the government and capitalism. We charged the "Greatest Generation" with being fascists, to their unending anger, without realizing that it was literally true although still classified. We continued to cling to gradual change, electing Jimmy Carter, ignoring all the while the fascist element taking over the GOP. Now everything has passed us by, the fascists have bypassed us handing the torch to our undereducated successors as the world hurtles to its demise before 2100, praise Jesus!

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There is Nothing Wrong With Old Farts Renting Out a Spare Room In Their House
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 6, 2009 9:15 AM   
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I admit we have been very lucky. We bought our house right at the bottom of the last property slump. It took us 3 years to sell our previous one for two thirds of what the estate agent said it was worth. But the house we bought had also gone down in price considerably. I took out a mortgage I could only just afford by working loads of overtime. It was a real struggle, and I knew that I was exceedingly likely to get made redundant. I thought well if I get made redundant - it has a big spare room - which I will be able to rent out - which will help pay the mortgage.

Sure the place I was working at got closed down - but though competetion was very tough I managed to get another job at a different location within the same company. This maintained my pension rights - otherwise my retirement would have been stuffed.

But life is a bloody risk - and houses are for living in. The price may go up or down considerably. If you buy when houses are historically expensive - it may in effect impoverish you for the rest of your life and leave you homeless.

We have now got a fairly big family house with lots of space for our teenage kids and their friends. We also have space for our friends to stay for awhile - sometimes as long as several months. We haven't found it necessary to charge any of them rent - but if it became a financial necessity then of course we would.

Recently we have become very much aware of someone regularly camping outside our house in his car - and have asked him in for a cup of coffee. We know absolutely nothing whatsoever about him - except what he has told us - and have asked him to come to local social events - where he can get to know our friends.

If we didn't already have a house full of teenagers then it is entirely possible that we would offer him a room to rent.

I have had my ups and downs in this life as have many of my friends.

It is easy for several things to go wrong at the same time and end up homeless sleeping in your car if you have one - or on a park bench if you haven't.

We have invited loads of people back to our home - and our hospitality has never been abused.

Tony

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A little spark of light somewhere in our dark tunnel?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 6, 2009 10:31 AM   
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"Intended communities" may be an unintended consequence of Boomers' (that would be me, too ...) cushy retirements going down the drain (or should I say, into someone eles's pocket) that will turn out to be a GOOD thing.

Ten years ago, before our current economic crash, I could see this coming. I'm not patting myself on the back for being a perceptive futurist; rather, the trend seemed inevitable even then, because of ever-increasing population density, the expense of for-profit elderly warehousing, growing environmental conciousness, Boomers' experience with communal lifestyles (and mindset) in the 60's-70's and the search for depth and meaning in life and a renewed need for community that hits right around middle age, after the hyper-competitivness of career-building has largely been exhausted.

This article started out with a title and subtitle that was somewhat of a stomach-turner, in line with the mega-dose of bad news we've been swamped with lately, but actually presented a ray or two of hope. Maybe, just maybe, our economic catastrophe, hitting us at this particular moment in history, will generate one positive outcome: a return to community– something that most of us don't even realize we need so badly. When we can count on each other, even a few others, all of the impossibly big problems "out there" suddenly don't seem quite so big – or so impossible.

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An Accounting Joke That Explains the GOP Balance Sheet
Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 6, 2009 10:30 AM   
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James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

I earlier posted, “Let’s Loot and Kill Social Security Too.”

In this second post, I add an accounting joke that hits the nail on the head:

“The GOP’s balance sheet for America has two sides, with liabilities on the left, and assets on the right. The problem is that on the left, there’s nothing right, while on the right, there’s nothing left.”

Thank you, Ronald Reagan and 30 years of Reaganomics!

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations” [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

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A few points
Posted by: willymack on Mar 6, 2009 10:52 AM   
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1.I was born Nov 1st, 1939, so, I guess that makes me a pre baby boomer.
2.I don't have a job to lose, and am receiving three pensions, Navy, Social Security, and a Nevada state pension.
3. My wife still works full-time for the federal government, and makes a good income.
4. We're not up to our eyeballs in debt, having both grown up poor and therefore all the more prudent with monetary decisions. We can easily afford our fixed-rate mortgage, and made sure we could, BEFORE signing on the dotted line.
I don't know how accurately this describes others in our situation. The point I'm trying to make here is that we've NEVER dived headlong into ANYTHING involving money without thorough examination of the options and considering worst case scenarios. Neither my wife or I have gone to college, but we've tried to keep ourselves on top of things by staying informed and watching where our money goes. There it is; we're beyond the baby boomer maladies by dint of age and accumulated knowlege. If we ever recover economically, I think our educational systems should be thoroughly revamped, and an emphasis placed on analytical thinking and a reasoned approach to making decisions, especially those affecting the future.

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And So I Thought I Would Be Brave
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 6, 2009 11:09 AM   
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I have been reading this certain US Republican website for several months - and actually agree with some of the comments posted - but intensely disagree with others.

So I thought what the hell

My view is as good as anyone elses

There is one thing I read yesterday which I thought was completely and utterley aweful - and whilst sober I wanted to present a logical argument against.

So I try and register - but he won't accept - a "free" email address - he wants the real identity.

I thought - well that's O.K. - I ain't shy and have got nothing to hide

But this republican - also wants the password to my personal email account

And then he will allow me to register

But not only that

In order to post any view whatsover (which he could instantly delete) - I also have to subscribe $20 a month.

I am not paying $20 just to tell someone that I think he is a cunt.

And there is no fucking way he is having the password to my personal email account.

What exactly is wrong with American Republican Doomsters?

The View - Shock Horror

Tony

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Stopped believing long ago
Posted by: rafey on Mar 6, 2009 11:12 AM   
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I stopped believing in a future or retirement back in the 80s when the economy began to drift in favor of the extraordinarily rich. I got out of the market just in time to watch most of my Reaganite friends lose everything in the crash at the end of the Reagan era. I reinvested in the 90s, doing quite well, thankyou, and then swiftly liquidated all investments, house and all, in 2001. It didn't take an economic genious to see it coming after I listened to Bush for a few weeks. Never the less, I am still not able to live anywhere as well as my parents (or even my immigrant grandparents), despite my advanced professional education. This third world nation will never recover from the Bush years and to believe it will is just so absurd. There are better places to live now in the world (getting better all the time) and I am only glad that I was born and raised and was able to savor the best years this country had to offer before the last two generations destroyed it all with their me, myself and I greed and ignorance.

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Maybe George Bush was a kind of punishment?
Posted by: Alenna on Mar 6, 2009 11:52 AM   
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I sometimes I wonder if he was a kind of Boomer Karma - Maybe the the Founding Fathers, sent George to us on purpose as a slap us across the face to say "“You’ve become such a selfish, self-indulgent, materialistic, and brainless nation - here is your leader – King of the Fools. You deserve him”.

Wasn't it George Washington who warned us to be “eternally vigilant” with the fragile new democracy, lest it fall into despotism?

We did do well in the 60's with the social activism and protesting against the War and for Civil Rights for minorities and women. It was a rejection of the Establishment; a revulsion against the hypocrisy and materialism and government paranoia of the time. Then in the late 70's something happened - starting with the Reagan years. Many Boomers drank the materialistic "me me me" Koolaid and stopped paying attention. There were those important things to get done - finishing off college and getting a “normal” 9-to-5 job, a fancy house, a 501K plan and becoming the “respectable” person that our Ozzie & Harriet parents would have been proud of.

People forgot about politics and became absorbed in their own personal "problems". No need to worry about what was going on in Washington. America became obsessed with the O.J Simpson trial and mystery of JonBenét Ramsey and tragedy of Susan Smith. The biggest heroes in America became the Movie Stars and the Athletes. Madonna, Michael Jackson, and Michael Jordan. The biggest concern - Who will become the next American Idol?

To be fair, the GenX generation joined the Boomers in the materialist 80's. They certainly didn't protest or reject it.

Somewhere along the way, the news (where is Walter Cronkite?) became a new form Entertainment Weekly and stopped informing us about the real world. Congress was more and more "influenced" by Big Business, and Corporations got bigger and more powerful. Welfare was cut and the idea of "The Common Good" was killed as the evil "socialism".

The government started having secret foreign “adventures” and doing things in places that most Americans couldn't even find on a map. How many Americans ever knew or cared about all the US involvements in other countries- Chile, Nicaragua, the invasion of Panama, Grenada, Haiti, Iraq, the whole Iran Contra business, the shooting down of an unarmed civilian airplane (Iranian air flight 655) etc etc. It's like a 30-year history that nobody knows anything about.

Well at least the Bush years seems to have awakened many Americans out of their consumerist stupor.

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Is that all there is, my wife and I worked all of lives -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 6, 2009 12:26 PM   
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only to be taxed out of our domicile and the taxes just keep going up and up with no end in sight. You would think this government with all the consumerist tax monies coming in and the income from exhorbitant interest on credit loans would suffice to finance all the wars we start world wide. Next thing you know they'll be helping themselves to our hard earned social security funds - only alternative for us is to move in with our kids I guess.

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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Posted by: mbobo76 on Mar 6, 2009 12:37 PM   
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Poor Boomers, let's all be concerned for the hundreth time for the sorriest of generations... BLAH,BLAH,BLAH... There are many of us out of work through no fault of our own, who don't cry, bitch and moan every GD Day
about our entitlements...BTW, Isn't Richard Fuld a "boomer"... Isn't Maddoff a "Boomer"...
F the "Boomers" stop your damn crying...

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Boomers...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:07 PM   
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I'm not a boomer but a War Child... born before 1946. I'm facing the same issues, though. Rooming in a place with no heat but mercifully space to work at my art and music a while longer before I'm out in the streets because I can see my day job will not be there much longer. I'm sad that I am not able to provide my son with a place to be but I'm barely under a roof myself. Did I do any of this? Those banker and CEOs getting billions every time they ask seem to be fat and happy. Why aren't they experiencing the repecussions I'd be receiving had I swindled millions of people out of what they thought was an investment in their futures and those of their children?

I'll tell you why, because they know they actually own the place... we were given the idea that we did, that we mattered but look at most of us? The middle class, people who used to buy my art and help me supplement my meager teacher's salary are all broke... I can barely afford food now because having a roof is more of a priority. What kind of "freedom" is this? Capitalism is about as evil a system as has ever been devised by humans. Over the last two or three decades the word "freedom" has been used in place of capitalism. When Bush et al would say we were wanting to bring freedom to a people, they really meant capitalism. I hope that this blight on humanity is truly in its death throes. I'd die with a smile on my face to know this.

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Masters and sheep.
Posted by: gar1948 on Mar 6, 2009 1:35 PM   
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First they split us along race differences. Now, that we seem to be making some headway on healing that issue, they start pitting one generation against another.

People, people, people. When are we going to learn? This time it is no different than it always has been. The Masters sheer the sheep and when the sheep are too old to produce good wool, the sheep are then slaughtered for mutton and feed to the dogs.

It is really that simple. The American sheepeople have produced about all the wool they can (no matter what generation they are in.) If we don't band together to oppose the master, the slaughter is about to begin.

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» Great analogy! Posted by: Pirate1
This Is What The Baby Boomers Were Doing Then And Are Doing Now
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 6, 2009 2:09 PM   
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The Old Grey Whistle Test

Orgasm in 1 minute 13 seconds

Iggy Pop - I wanna be your dog - 1979 - live

Now it takes 4 minutes 19 seconds to come to orgasm and we are even more beautiful

Iggy & the Stooges - I wanna be your dog (live 2004)

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Give me time, not money, and simplicity, not excess
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 6, 2009 3:57 PM   
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Though I'd rather not have to witness or be a victim of the rage of people who've lost "everything," the fact is that this depression could be the best thing that has happened to this country and world for ages. America has been and is still a country of excess, exemplified by the grossly obese El Blimpo, and all the excessive salaries, bonuses, McMansions, and other toys of the rich. But excess is wearisome. Simplicity is much more satisfying. I've been retired 10 years and have in that time been at my happiest, with no car or a need for one, walking or using an excellent public transit system in my small town, living in a rental where the landlord takes care of all problems, and doing with my time as I see fit--all on a miniscule amount that is probably less than what most people spend on eating, and having enough to travel around the world. To the boomers I say: Welcome to simplicity and frugality, life is much better here.

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No chance of retiring
Posted by: Sushi on Mar 6, 2009 5:08 PM   
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Despite all the poking at us Boomers, we were basically the generation who paid and paid our entire lives from first job to last, supporting this system and we will be the first ones screwed full bore. We bought into Reagan doubling SS taxes (as if we had a choice) and labored under the delusion that we would benefit from our years of contributions. Too bad Reagan started raiding SS to prop up programs he had actually cut.

I have no hope of retiring ever. What little wealth I accumulated over my long years was erased by past spouses (I am female, so it's not always guys getting shafted.) I walked away from relationships where I could see were heading toward financial irresponsibility but left enough behind that should have claimed my fair share. Just happy enough to get out while I could.

This has left me living paycheck to paycheck (perhaps a small pension from my first job...enough to keep me in cat food.) My only other "wealth" is my home, which has depleted rapidly as homes surrounding me go into foreclosure and are abandoned.

My only hope is that I can retain my job, which looks more and more bleak as supporting businesses cannot collect payments, thus do not pay us in an ever-ending spiral downward.

Vacations are rare and end up being a week at home (big whoop). A day off sick brings worries that I could get fired. Every day means going over the books to see who owes us money and is not paying.

My Golden Years have now been turned to Zinc. I will work until I die or go blind and live under a bridge. What a tragedy that Bush and his base will live in luxury instead of trading their lives for cigarettes.

Sushi
"Nostalgia isn't what it used to be."

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Baby Boomers New Chance at Utopia?
Posted by: Liz in San Diego on Mar 6, 2009 8:04 PM   
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This is a very interesting development. The Back to Basics Movement. Wow - we Baby Boomers have seen something like this before. Maybe we have a chance to do it right this time – you know, get back on-board our former alternative life styles? Remember those? Many of us in our youth had dreams of living in an actual ... commune. Didn't we? It would be a place that was self-sufficient and self-sustaining. It could be Utopia. It would be spiritual, down to earth, artistic, and creative. Who wouldn't want to live like that? Well … us apparently, but maybe we'll take a second look.
Anyway, now they're called "intentional communities". And, given that we're suddenly broke, or close to it we might consider it. Think of it - communal living in natural environments (like where there's mountains and streams) where we can do cool things all day long. We could toil in the organic garden, do repairs, cook delicious organic gourmet meals, run the worm farm (that would be my job) - think of it! - all those cool jobs everyone would choose to do in the ... intentional community ... sounds interesting. I loved exploring “Fellowship for Intentional Community” at http://fic.ic.org

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Mar 7, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Liquidate labor!
Liquidate the banks!
Liquidate the baby boomers!

People will lead more "moral" lives in hippie communes!

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» RE: parrotuya Posted by: Tarjan
Let them eat money
Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Mar 7, 2009 7:52 AM   
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Although at the young end of the so-called boomer generation I also have not joined the consumer mindset. Observations seem to indicate that mindless consumers occupy all age brackets. My focus remains on what is truly worthy and valuable. This article makes some good suggestions. Furthermore, the prominence placed on private property is becoming more apparently unsustainable all the time. Try not to think of this period as one of disaster and loss, but a time of promise and creativity. Surely we must make adjustments, it doesn't have to be all bad. The myth is that we need money to live. What we need is one another and a belief in shared resources. Those who seek to aquire wealth without making an effort deserve to be disappointed.

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» RE: Let them eat money Posted by: reason
Generation Jones, between Boomers and Xers, is generation most hurt by economy
Posted by: WatchingTheParade on Mar 7, 2009 9:20 AM   
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Interesting article. Relevantly, as many influential voices have repeatedly noted, Obama--born 1961--is part of Generation Jones, born 1954-1965, between the Boomers and Generation X. Google Generation Jones, and you'll see it’s gotten a ton of media attention, and many top commentators from many top publications and networks (Washington Post, Time magazine, NBC, Newsweek, ABC, etc.) specifically use this term to describe Obama.

It is important to distinguish between the post-WWII demographic boom in babies vs. the cultural generations born during that era. Generations are a function of common formative experiences of its members, not the fertility rates of its parents. Many experts now believe it breaks down this way:

DEMOGRAPHIC boom in babies: 1946-1964
Baby Boom GENERATION: 1942-1953
Generation Jones: 1954-1965

It is the Jonesers, not Boomers, who actually are most adversely affected by this economic catastrophe.

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Unreal Classifications
Posted by: bessie on Mar 7, 2009 10:42 PM   
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Blaming the boomers for the current economic meltdown is rather ironic. Who are the sharks on Wall Street? All ages. Many years ago when the first articles about "Generational Divide" hit the MSM, I remember my Mother complaining about the emptiness of this. It's based on the shifting sands of fads, youth, fashion, and celebrity worship. While entertaining, it has little to do with the reality of life. So boomers are in trouble - isn't every age group, also, in trouble? Blaming one age group for this economic disaster is besides the point. Groups of dishonest, greedy morons overreached for their pot of gold. And this has little to do with the people who were working towards their dreams. Blaming each other, we the victims, is absurd. Blame the ones who have made off with trillions and billions of dollars. Those are the ones at fault. That's the only classification that makes sense.

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Live like the 3rd Wolrd?
Posted by: Rande on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 PM   
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First of all, people moved to the suburbs to escape the crime and filth from within the inner cities. When one realizes that the banks were "forced" by our government to loan to the "underserved," it can be seen why we now face catastrophe.

The "underserved" were those who could not/would not save money for a down payment, nor could they even promptly pay their existing bills, let alone keep up maintenance of the home. These were the people who should NEVER have owned a home. Most of the "underserved" are also those who park cars on their lawns, while tossing dirty diapers there also. The same people who play loud booming music, deal drugs and join gangs. This lead the deserving home owners to abandon their neighborhood to escape the parasites who moved in around them; thus, causing them to purchase homes they could not afford.

Once the people have no shelter, job, or food, then the government would own them. All part of the "change" we were promised, while the naive never knew the change was regression to 3rd world status, and the "change" to Communism ... which is where we will be within 2 years.

Let there be no mistake, this was no accident. It was a deliberate means to create "equality," where those who create prosperity, share it with those who don't.

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OBAMA D LIAR, U D FOOL
Posted by: reelman on Mar 11, 2009 9:38 AM   
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Obama to Sign Spending Bill, Push for Earmark Reforms
President to sign a massive spending bill to keep the federal government running, but he is cracking down on lawmakers’ penchant for stuffing such legislation with billions of dollars in pet projects.

CRAWFISH NOTE: Obama lied all of 2008 when he said he would not sign earmarks…he did, over 8,000 in one bill. The lying coward now wants you to believe he will “reform” earmarks, what a sick joke. The goal is to ELIMINATE pork, not make them transparent so congress can ignore the voters and you can again be the cowardly signer.

The “Son of Stimulus” is near and you, the voter, will again be treated as a fool by this secular socialist kook who is in way way over his head.
More debt on your VISA the next 5 years than the previous century…thanks democrats, you Jimmah Carter-ite misguided fools.
We tried for a year to warn voters that these people could not manage a hot dog stand….but nooooo, you wanted change..check your IRA, you got it…suckers.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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PRETENDING POVERTY, DEM STYLE
Posted by: reelman on Mar 11, 2009 5:05 PM   
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At the Democratic National Convention, for example, there were heartfelt tributes to the daunting self-sacrifice of both Barack and Michelle Obama for passing up lucrative jobs to work in "public service" -- which apparently is now defined, such as in Michelle Obama's case, as "working as a 'diversity coordinator' at a big city hospital for $300,000 a year."

Seriously, even with a company car, full medical benefits and six weeks' paid vacation thrown in, how do people live on that?

Meanwhile, the average salary for a lawyer with 20 years or more experience in the U.S. is a little more than $100,000. If Michelle Obama doesn't lay off all this "giving back" stuff pretty soon, she's going to find herself in Warren Buffett's tax bracket.

During the campaign, Joe Biden was also praised by the Democrats for being the poorest U.S. senator -- as if that were a major accomplishment.

Howard Dean, then-chairman of the Democratic National Committee, touted Biden as "a good example of a working-class kid," adding that, to this day, Biden was "one of the least wealthy members of the U.S. Senate." Only a Democrat would list "never really made anything of myself" on his resume.

On the Huffington Post, operated by a woman who acquired her wealth by marrying a rich gay guy connected to Big Oil, liberal blogger Steven Clemons gloated that, unlike John McCain, Biden wouldn't "forget the number of houses he owns," adding that, in 2006, Biden was ranked the poorest U.S. senator.

And at his high school reunion Biden was voted "most likely to try to bum a ride off of somebody." Vote Biden!

According to tax returns for Biden and his public schoolteacher wife, in 2006, their total income was $248,459; in 2007, it was $319,853 -- putting the couple in the top 1 percent of all earners in the U.S.

This, my friends, is the face of poverty in America. At least in the Democratic Party. It's located just below that row of hair plugs. The Bidens are yet another heart-rending example of America's "hidden poor" -- desperately needy families hidden behind annual incomes of a quarter million dollars or more paid by the taxpayer. My fellow Americans, we can do better.

The national median household income was $48,201 in 2006 and $50,233 in 2007. Working for the government pays well.

-- 3.11.09 AC ARTICLE

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where did the money go?
Posted by: pacto on Mar 14, 2009 1:24 PM   
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seems to me that this so called crisis is to accomplish other goals; to establish the idea that money is only debits and credits;to break the backs of the unions:and to reprogram the american people to a lower standard of living.

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Ba
Posted by: mnstra on Mar 14, 2009 3:19 PM   
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When are you going to start your headline with stories that start. " Baby Boomers Armed themselves and amass for a march on Wall Street/?

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Well, this is interesting reading...
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 14, 2009 4:47 PM   
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it has been interesting reading the majority of the postings here. I have only a few comments to make and then I am out of here:

First, the vast majority of people who are making a killing on the financial markets are in their 70's which does not make them baby boomers. These are the generation before, the baby boomers parents. People like that sleaze Madoff.

Second, while many of the baby boomers were working their way up the corporate ladders, it was to feed, house, clothe, educate, and support in general the Gen Xer's whom we failed because we made them believe that life was easy and not hard work.

Third, a large majority of the Gen Xer's are the ones who are defaulting on homes that they could not afford because they were in jobs that were not paying them enough to support the lifestyles they were living. That is the fault of baby boomers because we were told we could not discipline or say "No" to our children, so they grew up thinking that they could have whatever they wanted whenever they wanted it without consequences.

Fourth, we are so busy blaming each other that we are failing our families, our nation, and the next generation of children who are now old enough to understand that the three generations ahead of them on this planet have totally and completely screwed them over.

Fifth, if we do not stop the name calling and labeling, and start working together to fix this mess we are all in together, then we might as well just pack it in. Personally, that option stinks, and I am not willing to abandon my grandchildren's generation to poverty and destitution.

We have the knowledge, the skills, and the people to rebuild this nation in a way that is sustainable, healthy, and financially sound. It starts with developing communities again. It starts with an end to corporatism and competition. It starts with people helping people without expecting anything in return. It starts with being willing to learn old ways that can be used with modern technology to create new solutions. It starts by acting and being honorable in our dealings with others - you know, the old concept of a person's word was their bond and a person's handshake was all that was needed to seal a deal? We stop acting like cutthroats out to do in each other.

Finally, we should stop the pity and blame party now. We do not have time to waste. We will need every second of every minute of every day if we are to create a new and better world for the fourth generation currently walking this planet. Get to work and stop griping about who is responsible for what - the fact is we are all responsible and it is time we started acting like it.

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