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Was Our Whole Economy One Giant Ponzi Scheme?

By James Saft, Reuters. Posted January 8, 2009.


Like those Bilked by Madoff, we too thought our retirement funds were growing miraculously, but ours was an illusion fueled by debt rather than fraud.
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It was perhaps inevitable that we ended 2008, the year we learned we were up the creek, with a great financial scandal: the Madoff Ponzi case.

What is even more remarkable is the way in which the alleged fleecing of wealthy people and charities - investors who should have known better or employed people who did - of many billions of dollars serves as a mirror for the broader culture. It shows how we went wrong and where we are left, now that we realize our errors.

The main difference really is that the purported victims, or enablers, or co-fantasists of the trader Bernard Madoff say they found out their wealth was illusory all of a sudden, whereas for most people in the English-speaking world, this is happening little by little.

Madoff, for those of you just waking after a long winter's nap, is accused of defrauding investors in funds that he promised would deliver a suspiciously steady 12 percent or so a year in good times or bad of as much as $50 billion. The authorities say he has confessed to running a pretty simple Ponzi operation: paying out "earnings" to those who demanded them using new commitments of cash from those who wanted in. And of course, given that the man could "make" heady sums with no risk in all markets, the cash flowed in and the redemption calls were, for a long time, manageable.

Madoff has not appeared in court to answer the charges formally. But that there was one man, or a man with confederates perhaps, who was willing to engage in a harebrained fraud that was mathematically doomed to failure would not be that surprising, sadly. That an army of either rich, sophisticated investors or their highly paid advisers played along and believed that they were growing rich is far more interesting.

One point, highlighted by Tim Lee of the consultancy pi Economics in Stamford, Connecticut, is that the $50 billion headline figure is about as inflated as California real estate prices were a year ago. That $50 billion is likely to turn out to be not the amount lost but the amount people wrongly thought they had. It is likely that the actual strategy followed by Madoff could return little more than Treasury notes minus fees; in other words he could make for you what you could get for yourself with no help but then pay himself handsomely for the gymnastics.

That implies that a lot - for long-time investors, the vast majority - of the "money" invested and now "lost" with Madoff was about as notional as a credit default swap contract with a man you met outside the bus station downtown. Much of the money never existed, other than on the attractive and no-doubt glossy statements sent by Madoff.

It was simply what people would have had if he had been a genie.

And it is in this way that we are all Ponzi limited partners: We too thought our retirement funds and houses were growing miraculously, though ours was an illusion fueled by debt rather than fraud, and we too made plans based on those asset values that now stand in ruins.

"The financial system as a whole has had the characteristics of a Ponzi scheme if we look at it fundamentally," said Lee, who was very early in warning about deflation.

"By this I mean that we should think about the true value of assets as being derived from the future flow of goods and services that the assets can lay claim to or produce. If market prices of financial and real estate assets rise a lot but there is no increase in the ability of the economy to provide goods and services in the future, then the apparent increase in wealth is illusory."

That means that savings must rise, and expectations about the kind of growth and income that capital can safely command must fall. The process of everyone's figuring that out over the next year or so will be a continued hole in the side of the stock market and, despite the risks inherent in Treasury securities because of quantitative easing and fiscal stimulus, a boon to holders of government debt.

There are a lot of individuals, pension funds and nonprofits out there that have penciled in benchmarks for returns on assets that are probably too high for the coming cycle, irrespective of the losses of 2008, and I am talking about people thinking of a modest 8 percent.

Those people and institutions will be forced to take steps to right that, and this time not by searching for risk or yield but by saving more and cutting back on expenditure.

This will cascade through the economy, and until the savings are replenished and productively deployed, higher government spending will be a balm on a burn, at best.


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Was Our Whole Economy One Giant Ponzi Scheme?
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 8, 2009 1:05 AM   
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Yes, and the Wall Street Bankers and corporate CEOs got away with trillions.

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No Sh*t.
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 8, 2009 12:31 PM   
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Our economy is based on the idea of perpetual growth. That's obviously impossible. Eventually, you run out of resources and room.

We're already at the point where we're building houses on agricultural land, while we're still breeding more people every year. What are they going to eat and where are they going to live?

We've got two choices. We can stop breeding like bunnies voluntarily - or we can stop breeding like bunnies when the Law of Diminishing Returns kills off the excess.

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truth will set you free
Posted by: MzScarlett on Jan 8, 2009 1:16 PM   
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in a sense yes: our nation has never been "broke"; Pentagon has ALWAYS "lost" billions of $ in "equipment" backed up by Congressmen saying 'who knows who got it? perhaps the non existent Al Queda!; they KEEP the $ for themselves: it only existed on paper! Same has been done in St, county & city: in reality, our nation was set up for all taxes, roads, schools, etc to have been paid for by profits from big business. Same folks owing large plantations came to political heads & bribed them, saying lets do it THIS way instead: thus, the people who had to pay a tax 1 x only after the war, it was worded "voluntary' were FORCED to become slaves again which is how every other nation sees us. Exploitation, we were told, is the "way" democracy works: it has never been a 2 party sytem at all: smoke, mirrors, charades, theatricals: own agenda the opposite of what they tell the public & people. Corps were criminalized: people didn't have to be responsible, nor shareholders, shareholders names could be hidden, shareholders profits came 1st: not the people of the nation. Thus, GREED & Dictatorship, not governing, not democracy, cuz most laws on the books just for looks. "aid" given to other countries were cheese, frozen chicken legs; they kept the $ all to themselves: & keep 2/3s of all "aid" given for themselves quoting overhead expenses.

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» RE: truth will set you free Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
Not Just 'Our Economy': All of Capitalism
Posted by: lorenbliss on Jan 8, 2009 2:40 PM   
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Amazing how this economic wisdom has been suppressed by our Moron Nation education system and our Big Lie media. Capitalism is nothing but a giant pyramid scheme -- another name for the Ponzi scam. Marxians knew this in their hearts and saw it repeatedly confirmed by objective analysis. Wobblies understood it so perfectly they made art from it, a poster as relevant today as in the 1890s (go to iww.org, click on Store, then Posters). When will we wake up?

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The Ponzi Paradigm
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 8, 2009 3:08 PM   
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The Ponzi Paradigm by Michael Hudson, Kucinich's chief economic advisor. Very good article.

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Call it what you will
Posted by: SlyGuy on Jan 9, 2009 8:03 AM   
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Ponzi schemes are just one aspect of a post-industrial economy based more on manipulation of monetary policy, interest rates, and defense/military spending. Not long ago, most recall that ridiculous price to earning ratios of high flying stocks did not deter anyone from stock investments. These very fundamental clues have been before us for some time. Magic of the market? Bull. Buying inflated stock is no different from buying a farm that can only produce so much income on the belief that it can produce three times its potential. As long as you can sell off for a profit in a short period of time to a "greater fool," you and your investment are rewarded, but there is no real increase in wealth or assets. Likewise, housing prices in major metro areas correlate mostly with prosperity. As shelter, homes used to appreciate slowly, but ability and willingness to pay have resulted in common competitive bidding in many markets, driving prices much too high for the actual value they represent. Global capital has also pushed housing higher in some markets, as wealthy foreign interests look to American housing stock as either a hedge against other more risky investment or solid short term gains when housing is booming.

As to the fundamental question raised by this article, is all modern capitalism little more than a Ponzi scheme? Yes and no. It's not a perfect analogy by any means, but you don't have to be a Ph.D. in economics to know that modern economies are based in large part on faith and confidence, the desire to believe things can go on as they have, that the municipal bonds you buy will pay off and that the municipality will not go bankrupt, etc. And when it becomes ominously clear to too many that it is unraveling? It will.

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» RE: Call it what you will Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
Dreams come true when unemployed or
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jan 11, 2009 5:57 PM   
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losing your pension money.

Today on WYSL radio a financial guy (Bob Brinker) had a woman on who said all those retired and those who lost their jobs might want to "energize their lives" and do something they always wanted. Its' a great opportunity to do so.

Let me see...you lost your job in a tight market and you decide you want to be a actress or actor. Do you think that would feed your family? Or say you retired and your health is so so. Do your dream anyway. What?

Any day now I expect to hear them say how about being an creative citizen by starting your own business. Where's the money for that when money is tight (and an international bank wants to use it for weapons, etc.)? Then when your business is successful and you go corporate to get shareholders some larger international corporations buys it up and moves it over seas.

You lose control and your employees in your community are out of work. Your market, technology, and ideas gone to a foreign country because they are cheaper labor (without benefits and pensions).

Hey those CEOs have so much money they don't need pensions. They are set for life (our tax dollars for their salaries and benefits). The politicians have pensions we pay for.

The "go back to college and get an education" is a little worn too. We have more educated applicants than jobs.

It's so easy for the rich to be comfortable and tell the jobless to find a job...lazy people!! Many politicians are rich on our tax dollars. They get golden prosecutes when leaving office for their vote.

These are Ponzi schemes and propaganda galore Bush style.

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