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Why Big Finance Is Laughing All the Way to the Bank

By Rob Larson, AlterNet. Posted January 5, 2009.


Instead of making loans to help the economy, they're shoring up their own finances and buying up their competitors.
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The country's financial markets have collapsed, as they tend to do when left without adult supervision, and they're taking our economy with them. With the large banks refusing to make loans after losing billions on worthless subprime derivatives, the government stepped in and agreed to October's financial bailout package.

The $700 billion legislation was meant to buy banks' "troubled assets" for cash, and thus improve banks' balance sheets to the point that they would lend again. This would mean credit for struggling businesses and households and could encourage expansion and hiring, thus pulling us out of recession.

But it turns out the banks haven't held up their end of the bargain. All they're holding up is a glass to a government that would rather shovel cash into the largest banks than take the edge off the recession.

The bailout was highly unpopular, despite a heavy push by the U.S. political leadership.  Most citizens apparently couldn't figure why we should give money to the banks that caused this crisis by buying deeply into the housing bubble. Especially when foreclosures and bankruptcies among regular homeowners are out of control -- the Mortgage Bankers Association reports that "a record 1 in 10 American homeowners with a mortgage was either at least one month behind on their payments or in foreclosure at the end of September."  But the plan has not been carried out as advertised -- rather than buying the subprime securities from the banks, the government has instead decided to "recapitalize" them.  Meaning, invest money in the big banks for some equity, money which the banks could then loan to the staggering economy. Well, at least the part where we give them money went well.

The fact is that the banks are not making loans -- the "credit crunch" goes on, and the economy is the worse for it. After so many of Wall Street's great investment banks went bankrupt, or were bailed out by the government, or were bought by competitors, the banks want to "hoard cash" to avoid a similar fate.  But besides shoring up their own finances, the banks are putting our public bailout money to another purpose -- buying up their smaller competitors.

Mergers and acquisitions have been a major part of the government's strategy to deal with the crisis since its beginning. Bear Stearns, the first respectable Wall Street powerhouse to approach bankruptcy, was sold to the larger bank Chase in a shotgun marriage arranged by the Federal Reserve. Since then, the government has arranged for a tanking Merrill Lynch to be sold to Bank of America, a heavily leveraged Wachovia to Wells Fargo, and a failing Washington Mutual to Chase, again. The Treasury Department would say that the damage to the economy can be limited if larger, more stable banks buy their struggling rivals.

Of course, some of these largest banks, such as Citigroup, are not so secure themselves. But more than that, the money used by the larger banks to acquire the others is capital that could have been used to make the loans our economy is desperate for -- and of course, that's what they were supposed to do with the public money in the first place. But most importantly, remember that the reason we're paying to bail out these banks at all is that they are "too big to fail," in the language of the business press -- in other words, if these huge banks go under, the loss of employment, lending and tax revenue could do profound damage to the greater economy. So if these banks were too enormous to allow to die in the first place, why in God's name would we be paying them to get even larger?

The mergers are large-scale -- the Financial Times calls them a "wave of consolidation as banks scramble to use the cash on takeovers and bolt-on acquisitions."  BusinessWeek reports "what could emerge is a barbell-shaped system with megabanks, small banks and little in between." The business reporters for the New York Times describe the Treasury Department as "using the bailout bill to turn the banking system into the oligopoly of giant national institutions."  An oligopoly is a market, such as banking, dominated by a few very large companies.


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Rob Larson is assistant professor of economics at Ivy Tech Community College in Bloomington, Ind., and blogs at The Profit Margin.

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Excellent Article, But It's Worse Than That ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 5, 2009 12:54 AM   
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The Walll Street Banks are hoarding capital because they are insolvent, bust, kaput. They have pressured the SEC and FASB (Financial Acccounting Standards Borad) to allow that they place these toxic assets on their balance sheets without evaluating them properly. In the business jargon there are three types or levels of assets ... mark to market, mark to model , and because they are valued so ludicrously "mark to make believe" !

The Wall Street Banks have more Mark To Make Believe on their Balance sheets than regular assets ! They are broke several times over!

Then why are they buying other banks? Guaranteed deposits that they can use to put on their balance sheets to help offset all the toxic debt they have in level 3 Mark To Make Believe Assets. These banks are holding us hostage and buying more banks just ups the ransome!

We need a Bank Holiday as FDR had, as Sweden successfully implemented in the early 1990s. Without cleaning up these banks we tax payers, our children and our grand children will most certainly be paying for the bankers greed and fraud to the tune of trillions of dollars. The amounts at stake could break the United States and our economy, they will most certainly cripple it.

For more: Time for a Bank Holiday .... By William Greider

Time for a Bank Holiday

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Interesting take from Pat Robertson as he spoke to 'god'
Posted by: Von on Jan 5, 2009 1:20 AM   
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http://www.infowars.com/?p=6960

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» in addition, Posted by: Von
Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, House GOP and Dennis Crazy ass...
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 5, 2009 1:31 AM   
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All tried to warn you
but
we had no choice whom to really vote for
because
both major players from BOTH parties was all gun ho for the TARP bill
and bad news Obama bots
the beat goes on and on
via
The New Fed Chairman
and go look at your Credit Card Statements
they more likely are post mark
Wilmington Delaware "the American Caymans for the Banking industry"

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» I did give Dennis Kucinich his props Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
I might have a better idea...
Posted by: bruceslog on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 PM   
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Our elected Congressmen are supposed to be the lobbists for the people.
Back when our founding Fathers had to figure out a way to 'hear' the voices of the American people scattered throughout the 13 colonies and wandering into the wild west, they decided that the best way to be a government of the People, to hear those isolated voices scattered for miles, was to have the people elect Representatives and Senators in small districts that could talk to the people, to poll them on the issues, and to carry the peoples voices to Washington, where the laws were made.

That does not seem to be working out very well at all any more.

So now there is talk of forming another "people's lobby" to take our voices to Washington... doesn't that seem redundant ?
It is, and it does not work.

Our elected officials, our Congress-people, are too easily corrupted, as are most humans.
They spend millions getting themselves elected because it is a really good job they are trying to get. They work only part of the year, make great money, can grant themselves raises, have the Best Health insurance, regularly take 'fact finding' vacations at tax-payers expense, try to fire those they dislike, try to enrich themselves by virtue of their power, are puffed up full of their own importance - to the point when some of them are stopped by police for driving drunk, or speeding, or breaking any other law that they themselves created, they tend to flash their authority as Congresspersons to the law officer as if to imply that they are above the laws of their own making. The laws the rest of us must follow.
They have also developed an unhealthy habit of rewarding their friends and family with pork barrel projects on the taxpayers dime, all while ignoring or shirking away from the real issues of our time. ( Such as the environment and certain peoples war crimes, as just two of many examples ).

All in all, as a group, they do Not represent the people well, they are Not acting in the Peoples best interests, and, the vast majority seem to be corrupt as all get out.

American citizens voices are NOT being heard throughout Americas government through these men and women of Congress.
It's a shame, but since they do police themselves, the policing hasn't been very effective. And they seem to have no motivation to fix that very important problem.

Leading me to my idea.
Don't panic now, hear me out..

Fire Congress.

Remember, the intention of Congress was to carry the Peoples voices from the remote colonies, into the chambers wherein our laws are being made. It was the best method of communication at the time.

These days, that has not been working as intended. The voices of the People are put aside for lobby money. Or ignored because we the People cannot do anything about it all until maybe the next election.
There is very little recourse for the many American citizens who watch this happening in our daily newspapers. We the People cannot fire them for not doing their jobs until re-election time.
And that is a crapshoot at best.

In modern times, almost all of us have access to TV, and telephones, and the internet. The vast majority of us, I'd say.
Accordingly, We the People CAN easily make our voices heard in Washington, D.C.. when we think about it, We no longer really need a Congress person to poll us in our village squares and carry our wishes back to D.C.
We can do that ourselves now with our phones and TV's and internet.

Over word limit, continued in next post......

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Better Idea ? continued....
Posted by: bruceslog on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM   
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So, Here's the idea.

A new TV station in every district is begun, dedicated to this task. This station scrolls newly proposed laws, as well as any proposed changes to existing laws, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Each proposed law is aired online and on TV for, say, 60 days straight, scrollin g slowly past on our screens in rotation with all the other proposed laws and changes. The law is presented to us with the author of the proposed law, the reason it is needed, and other pertinent information. Groups and individuals may add to this, voicing their opinion in support of or against the law. So we can see all the reasons the proposed law would be beneficial, or how it would be detrimental, so as to form a informed decision before we vote.

We the People can and should dedicate some time at home every other month or so to see what laws are being proposed, their effects and costs, and maybe we even take time to research these proposed laws in our own ways.

When we see a law that we agree to, or not, we call a 800 number, or go online to a web site devoted for this purpose, and we vote, yes or no, on passing said law.

We could have the option of picking up a paper list of the proposed laws at our local library, courthouse, or motor vehicle dept as well... to read and mark down our votes to call or mail in.

We would register for voting on these proposed laws online, by phone or mail, at our libraries, and Motor Vehicle departments, etc.

After presenting proper proof of identity, name, address, phone number, Social Security number ( come on now, even the phone company and cable company has our SSN's, not to mention the Motor vehicle dept, our mortgage holders, and countless others ... the cats already out of that bag... ),

we prove our identity one time and then choose a username and password to vote.. not much different than the way we now use online bill pay, or log into our bank accounts online.

Once registered, one can vote online, by phone, or mail, using one's username and password, one time each for each proposed law. If we change our minds before the 60 days is up, log back into the system and alter your vote. But each ID and password can only vote once on any given proposed law.

Those of us who care about the direction our country is heading will vote often.

Those among us that don't give a dang are likely the ones who helped get us into this mess to begin with.. their votes shouldn't be missed, keep in mind that our current Congresspeople do also miss votes often... so no big change there...

if even one person in each district votes on a law, it'd be about the same as the one Congressperson from that district casting his vote.

Laws that pass can be broadcast again for a "final approval" vote. Just to be sure.

We the ordinary People can also propose new laws with this system, to be voted on by the rest of us, as to whether or not said proposed law should even be considered. We become the committees !

The costs for a small, remotely controlled TV station in each district, and the 800 numbers to call in the votes of this system likely won't exceed what we now spend in tax payer dollars on the salaries of our current 100 Senators and our 430 something House of Representatives, with their health plans, lobby income, fact finding vacation money, and numerous other "Perks" that we eventually foot the bill for anyway.

Imagine the possibilities of actually having a direct say in our American government and our rules and laws.

And laws passed by a true voting majority !

A True Democracy ?
Can it happen ?

Post to long Again ! continued...

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A Better Idea, part 3....
Posted by: bruceslog on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Can we improve our country when we don't have Just One individual ( a Congressperson ) in charge of making the rules ? An individual who may very well be purchased and paid for by Exxon-Mobil, Big Pharma, or it's ilk ?

The way things are now, when Big Oil wants a law passed, they 'lobby' key Congresspeople... maybe slip them some hefty cash, buy them a house in Aruba, appoint their cousin to a nice salary job.

With this new system, Big Oil would have to spread the wealth around to many different voters, regular people like you and me. Probably not cost effective, resulting in better laws.

But, If they still insist on paying us people off to lass a law, it won't likely work, but if they try, at least the wealth will get spread back around where it belongs. To the people, not to folks who are already rich.

The current way of lawmaking was necessary back when people were few and far between, scattered in the wood throughout the 13 colonies, with many folks wandering westward. And it worked ok for that purpose for a lomg time.

But Now, we have the means to really allow the voices of the American People to be heard as our founding Fathers intended through the technology of instant communication. A representative to poll the people in the village square and take that thought to Washington is no longer needed.

We can send our desires to Washington ourselves, and we can do it as fast as a phone call or a click online.

Well, that's my idea.

Congress won't like it, and they certainly won't vote themselves out of a job. But I'd like to know if this could work.

I was going to list ,any more of the numerous reasons why we should even consider firing our Congress and letting the voices of the American people be directly involved in running our government. But just listing the countless flaws of the current way of making laws, the many ways that our current and previous crop of Congress people take bribes, try to fill positions of power with their friends or for money, ignore the laws of our Nation and our Constitution at will, lie to us to get elected, and sometimes even get caught lying in the process.. well, I would end up writing a Book.

And you know that the number of Congress people who get caught are only a small fraction of the ones breaking the rules. Murphy's Law.

Anyway, I'm sure the intelligent among Alternet's readers can fill in those blanks...

One more thing.

We would need to keep a provisional Congress on stand by - unpaid patriotic volunteers who can and will jump in just in case of some emergency.. like, say, some country fires one of those electro-magnetic devices in the air and knocks out our TV and phone communications...
So a volunteer congressional force that can gather in D.C. within 24 hours notice and handle emergencies such as that is essential.

Please reply to this thread .. with the benefits of this plan, and with the potential downsides.

Then Please add to or detract from those posts... what snags such a plan might encounter, and ways to overcome those issues.

Hopefully we can create a plan to make America so much better, a true Democracy !

Then we'd just have to figure out how to get it implemented...

signed,

A Patriot

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crisis = danger and opportunity (for both banks and people)
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 5, 2009 4:29 AM   
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Finally, ordinary people have an issue that they can understand--the banks are run by greedy thieves (read frightened crooks) assisted by their cowardly enablers, the congresscritters.

The stupidity of the bankers climbing all over each other like a bucket full of crabs is not only a danger for normal live-and-let-live folks but an opportunity for us to campaign to restore secure possession of one's primary residence--a right that was taken away in 2005.

Uncontrolled capitalism is ruthless and indefensible. Time to stand and be counted.

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Hiding the Truth....They Lost EVERYTHING including YOUR Retirement
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 5, 2009 5:23 AM   
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Interesting that suddenly we are hearing about the legislation which made this Wall Street Gambling Legit- why wasn't it reported at the time of consideration.So have we heard about ALL the legislation which had passed.
Many of US get these Quarterly statments about our 401k's and Penison & Annuities...Are they worth any more than the paper they are written on. Or was access given to the 'investment' bankers to draw from those too?
If those Accounts still have what they claim, Why hasn't the Gov't granted US access to them? Wouldn't opening up the opportunity to pay our Mortgages, loans, credit cards with these accounts help stop foreclosures, defaults and bankruptcies?
I certainly would use that money now to help get through this economic meltdown, Yet No one has offered such a solution up. Please don't tell me the Gov't is far too concerned about how much money I will have when I retire and are just 'doing whats Best for ME'.
Friends those 'secure' accounts are empty. God knows bankers hate idle money, so they got access to it, not a mere %, but the whole enchillada. They are attempting to shove as much money back into OUR accounts as quickly as possible.
The Carpenters Union would allow members to 'Loan' themselves a % of their annuity fund, paying ourselves back a 7% interest rate-Only charging a 'admin' fee. Great opportunity to use your own money and reap the accumulated interest. They have not offered such a program in about a decade...So who's been drawing off MY Accounts, since I have been barred? Wall Street?did they Use Our accounts as collateral, as the $1 needed to leverage out the $40?
Reason they are not saying where the money is going is because to announce to US all those accounts were used as 'markers' for international gambling would cause a Revolt.
The Corp/Union pension funds, annuities and 401k Accounts are Completely Gone.Those quarterly statments are not worth the paper they are written on.
So the media keeps focusing on how Maddow swindled Speilberg et al, continuing the illusion that only greedy investors lost big...Or those who bet on the riskier 'products', Yet not one word about the security of our 'conservatively ' invested retirement funds.
Honey they Broke into those accounts and used them as the $1 collateral...It's gone. We've all been wiped out, they just aren't going to say it.
so when you see that drastic depletion come next quarter, consider it is the amount they were able to replenish, not what was spared from the stock market crash.
Hope WalMart needs more 'Greeters' because Our retirement party will be held the same time as our funerals.

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And don't forget the arms industries. They're still "rich" and we all know why.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 5, 2009 5:54 AM   
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It's only when they ask for a "bailout" that America will wake up. Until then, we will happily delude ourselves and keep arming one too many rogue nations with more WMDs and terrorists to generate even as we the LOSING electorate continue to drown ourselves in DEBT DEBT DEBT !

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END THE FED NOW!
Posted by: vspoils on Jan 5, 2009 5:50 AM   
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www.endthefed.us

WAKE UP! This phony banking crisis is step one in the plan to usher in one world currency and world govt controlled by a banking elite. It's phony in that they engineered it as a wealth transfer to drain the Treasury and destroy the economy and our sovereignty.

It's no conspiracy theory. The EU was phase I, phase II is the North American Union or NAU, and perhaps the Amero to replace the dollar. No matter, we PAY for the destruction of our once mighty economy and sit back with our thumbs up our asses. Even to the loud objections of American citizens, they ram this down our throats. Where is the OUTRAGE?

Try this quote on for size, from the master spider himself, creator of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, David Rockefeller. And if you think the media isn't playing along, then you're sadly uninformed. Google Operation Mockingbird. MSM is a controlled asset, has to be.

DAVID ROCKEFELLER at the 1991 Bilderberg meeting:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

Do you plan to MARCH toward world government? I sure as hell don't. Don't be their chattel. WAKE UP! Get off your good intentions and organize. Shut down Wall St, shut down Pennsylvania Avenue. Obama is a SOCK puppet and his masters are the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS.

Do you even realize the FED is a private banking cartel? They are owned by globalist bankers and the super rich from foreign countries with no interest in our sovereignty. The FED prints our money out of THIN AIR and then LOANS IT BACK TO US at interest! We can't even find out who are the shareholders, it's a secret! They have never been fully audited. They don't answer to Congress. Their agenda is not your agenda.

Article II section 8 of the U.S. Constitution says that ONLY CONGRESS shall have the power to coin the money and regulate its value thereof. NOT A PRIVATE BANK. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is illegal, but there's so much control and money to be made, they won't stop it. Three dead Presidents tried to end it: Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy. Look it up.

Learn about Fractional Reserve banking. It means banks take a $100 deposit and loan out $1000. It also means YOU fund your own loans with your signature. No new money is created. Get edumicated!

CRISIS=OPPORTUNITY! WE MUST END THE FED or make it actually FEDERAL. No more fractional reserve banking. Return to Greenbacks, more modernized of course. The gov't must issue the money, make low interest loans, take the interest and pump it back into the economy. The IRS is just the enforcement arm of the FED. It's a MAFIA folks.

RESOURCES:

WEB OF DEBT, Ellen Hodgson Brown
AMERICA: Freedom to Fascism, DVD Aaron Russo (find it on youtube)
THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND, J. Edward Griffin
THE MONEY MASTERS: DVD (Try youtube)

We should be rioting in the streets. Why are we so complacent! Flouride in your water, the crap in your food, the drivel on the TV, the chemtrails falling on your heads? Whatever it is, fight it. We are stronger than them but only if we band together like the Founding Fathers did and throw the crooks out once and for all.

Visit EndtheFed.us for more information on getting involved.

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Lovely
Posted by: RTTEch82 on Jan 5, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Isnt it amazing! Once again, the Sheeple get short changed and the rich get richer at Main Street Americas expense. You gotta love it.

Jess
Is your ISP watching you?

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Monopoly is the oppposite of competition, there is grave danger in consolidation!!!
Posted by: greentime on Jan 5, 2009 6:25 AM   
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If so-called healthy capitalism is based on a thriving competitive business economy, then it stands to reason that monopolism is the opposite of healthy capitalism.

Monopolism IS the opposite of competiton.

The time to choose healthy capitalism may already be in the past. We may have turned over our power already in our foolish belief in the false promises of deregulation.

Deregulation enables monopolism to go to it's extreme.

This is why we MUST have a regulated economy and regulated business and banking to avoid the monopolistic tendencies of "mergers and acquisitions".

Want proof? Get yourself an old copy of Monopoly or Finance or Easy Money boardgame, you know, the old plain versions.

Look at what is really happening when you play!!! Did you know this game was originally really a little economic model of an unrestricted capitalist system?

Watch the community's wealth, (in this case property and utilities) get concentrated into few hands, then fewer, then between two players, then at the end, everyone loses as all the property and cash ends up consolidated into one player's holdings. How does it feel to lose? This is what we have been feeling and will feel more of if we don't change the rules to this game. How much power do the remaining players have over the uber-monopolist?

Regulation is only part of the solution, but as a response to this article, this little model is a true predictor of where we are headed. The danger IS in monopolism or consolidation. Call it whatever you like but unless we control this, it will rule us as only a greedy tyrant would.

For those who think that it wouldn't be a bad thing for the uber-wealthy to then be paternalistic and shower, or trickle some of our wealth back down on us, think v-e-r-y carefully at how we got to our current situation. There is no way philanthropic capitalism will be good for the people, it is as much of an oxymoron as compassionate conservatism.

Look around, do you see fewer banks? Fewer choices of where to shop? Who owns these big-box behemoths? Where is your money going? We all give them an ever incresing percent of our dollar and what do we get in return? A few grandiose projects to show community involvemment? Do we get team uniforms and a public display of their largess done for greater yet big-box PR purposes when what we need is higher paying jobs and real healthcare?

What's next? The Shopping Mart of America? The Gas Station of America? The Sports Arena of America? The Bank of... mmm... have that.

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And you can thank the Dem leadership for forcing it
Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 5, 2009 8:19 AM   
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through congress. I expected it from Republicans but guess that proves there really is only one party in America.

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Great article, but everyone is missing something here
Posted by: Joeraider on Jan 5, 2009 9:20 AM   
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I've been paying close attention to this "crisis" since its inception and I want to say that what it really represents is a massive insurance fraud, the likes of which no one has ever seen.

For example, say I bought up 20 new model junked cars and got a co-conspirator in the assessment business to assess them at blue book value. Then I took them to my insurance man and, after showing him the certifications, insured them for their blue book values (say $200,000 total) for a $10,000 premium.

Afterwards, I systematically destroy the cars and put in claims. What happens next? Well, you can bet the insurance company will send one of its investigators to research this claim. In doing his research he'll discover my clumsy sceme and likely prefer charges against both myself and my assessor buddy. It's doubtful I'll see even a penny of my initial paltry investment.

Now, lets look at are financial crisis in the same terms. Banks gave out shaky mortages to people who were at risk to default. They then sold these mortages to investors who bundled them into mortgage based securities. Then they got the rating agencies to assess this paper as AAA. With their AAA ratings in hand, the financial shysters took their multi-million dollar junkers to insurance companies and bought policies for about $100,000.

The securities went belly up and the insurance companies were stuck with a pay out. But instead of sending their investigators to research the value of the securities and determine if a payout was merited, corporate crooks like those at AIG went for a government bailout and paid off their fellow financial looters.

This is a failure of both the regulatory system, gutted by the seditionist GOP and private industry. And those of us laboring out here are paying the bill.

There never was anything called Capitalism. It is just Socialism for the rich.

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GASP!!!!!!!
Posted by: Don't Panic on Jan 5, 2009 9:28 AM   
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I listen to you folks speak with such incredulity about what is happening with the banking industry when we all knew this was the strategy to begin with. It is nice to have such a forum to vent in, however, I must remind you that venting is just venting and requires no action on our part. We the people are responsible for what is happening because we refuse to limit our consumption of all things material, for decades now we have elected those persons who have sold us a bill of goods where we think having more is the answer, where we believe if we could just live in a good neighborhood and have 2.3 kids and cars all would be well. We've been asleep at the wheel and have no one to blame but ourselves. Will the Obama administration be different.....this remains to be seen........hopefully we got it right this time.....................

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I also forgot to mention Main Street's internal conflict.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM   
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Ok, this response is from an earlier article I posted but I feel that it is valid here. And sorry if I sound a bit too rough here but I cannot stand Main Street in DYSFUNCTIONAL mode and I am so sick and tired of those on Main Street hell bent on dragging the rest of us into their misery by "defending" Wall $treet.

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Unfortunately, there are too many deluded "conservatives" on Main Street who keep dreaming of being RICH FLYING PIGS ala Donald FUCKING Trump. The "Joe the Plumber" voter thinks he/she will make it to 250k in just a few years even when their annual income is 50k at best and goes up very little to 55k at best or falls a lot to as low as 40k. Yes, a lot of these folks will deny their weaknesses in very hostile manners and will even go out of their ways to make up bullshit about hard work and charity when in fact they blindly support "free" trade selling out policies, deregulation and privatization for the elites, and even resource wars at the expense of hemorraging the funding needed for the very public infrastructure these same people need to survive even as they call reckless wars and "free" trade "patriotic" and denounce those of us who oppose them as "terrorists". That said, some of these poor schmucks will blame anyone but their favorite rightwing media lunatics for the damage done. Grover Norquist and Ann Coulter are somehow their "heros". Furthermore, these same die-hard rightwing voters on Main Street who suck up to the rightwing motherfucking elites will engaging in sadistic pleasures of fighting against their own working class to create socialism for Wall $treet even as they claim to denounce socialism. Worst of all, those of us in the working class trying to hold the corporate criminal goons on Wall $treet ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes and perpetrations will face PERSECUTION HELL from these same rightwing schmucks. With the way Main Street has been engaged in such INFIGHTING for the past 28, perhaps some could say 40 years, it is no wonder that Wall $treet can continue to have plenty of field days watching Main Street shooting its own feet out and laughing their ways to the bank until their ribs fall apart !

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more class warfare by the fed
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 AM   
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Making people poor for political purposes.. not because it has to be that way.. poor people are more easily herded into tinier, uglier boxes... DO YOU KNOW WHO THE REAL TERRORIST ARE YET?? THE WEALTH OF THE PEOPLE IS BEING DELIBERATELY EMASCULATED

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The problem is
Posted by: nikolai on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 AM   
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that the very bedrock of our economy, the banks, are not subject to the very rules that supposedly make our economy strong, ie, a "free market" which rights itself. How can the U.S. have a free market when the banks are constantly being bailed out when they make bad investments/decisions? Since this is so (note the S&L, NAFTA, and the current massive bailout) it throws the whole economy in a tailspin since the very foundation of the economy is not subject to the same rules of the free market. DUH. But I repeat myself. That being said, tell your children to become bankers or lawyers since even when they lose they win/get paid. How about a finance lawyer? My god, they must earn double!

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Many people are
Posted by: Matthew W on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 PM   
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Many people are having a hard time trying to repair credit because of the mortgage crisis but the low prices in the West are pushing home sales up and relieving some of that economic tension. Home sales went up by 13 percent in the West while home prices dropped 26 percent. In the United States, overall home sales are still down about 11 percent compared to last year. At least we are seeing some progress in some parts of the country. People are even changing the way they view things. More and more people are becoming more responsible with their finances and are doing their best to repair credit. Those who dreamed of getting that $1 million home has opt to a $500,000 home; which is looking pretty good in today’s economy. According to Business Week, trading down is the new real estate reality. Although the East appears to be a little slow to catch on (in terms of mortgages), I’m sure they’ll catch on quicker than we think. To read more about the real estate market and how to repair credit, check out this article.

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The money you say you have....
Posted by: Captainmagic on Jan 5, 2009 10:57 PM   
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is not/has never been, yours to start with. It all belongs to the fed res and you just get to play with it. The U$ has always been about play money..It's simply not yours to keep..

Captain OUT

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Couldn't get past the first line
Posted by: bob12386 on Jan 5, 2009 11:51 PM   
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"The country's financial markets have collapsed, as they tend to do when left without adult supervision,"

A new record Alternet.

What did you major in again Rob Larson? What exactly is your area of expertise relevant to the discussion?

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Yes it is worse than that
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jan 6, 2009 5:50 PM   
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The Federal Reserve run by the secret EU elite are out to destroy us.

I've felt more than once that the British royals want back controlling America. Why are they on our CSPAN scot free every week? Do they pay for it? Not on my cable dollars.

Our cable has government CSPAN programming. They have time for the Brits but not the citizen action groups.

The Queen pulled a coup in Canada and shut down the effort to have a new leader. She can load the Parliment with representatives to get what she wants. No the Queen is not gone. She wants the power of the Americas Union. Canadians don't trust or like the leader ho lied about trade and globalism. so they wanted to replace him.

Look at this article on Natural News.com regarding the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve has declared war on America. Yet Congress ignores it.

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Banks, Corruption and The New World Order
Posted by: dmdryden on Jan 7, 2009 5:53 AM   
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A part of me believes this is part of the New World Order comprised of International Banksters and their string of puppets who do their dirty work. Just wondering.

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