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Krugman: We're in for a Year of 'Economic Hell'

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times. Posted December 23, 2008.


Whatever the new administration does, we're in for months, perhaps even a year, of economic hell. After that, things should get better.

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Whatever the new administration does, we're in for months, perhaps even a year, of economic hell. After that, things should get better, as President Obama's stimulus plan -- O.K., I'm told that the politically correct term is now "economic recovery plan" -- begins to gain traction. Late next year the economy should begin to stabilize, and I'm fairly optimistic about 2010.

But what comes after that? Right now everyone is talking about, say, two years of economic stimulus -- which makes sense as a planning horizon. Too much of the economic commentary I've been reading seems to assume, however, that that's really all we'll need -- that once a burst of deficit spending turns the economy around we can quickly go back to business as usual.

In fact, however, things can't just go back to the way they were before the current crisis. And I hope the Obama people understand that.

The prosperity of a few years ago, such as it was -- profits were terrific, wages not so much -- depended on a huge bubble in housing, which replaced an earlier huge bubble in stocks. And since the housing bubble isn't coming back, the spending that sustained the economy in the pre-crisis years isn't coming back either.

To be more specific: the severe housing slump we're experiencing now will end eventually, but the immense Bush-era housing boom won't be repeated. Consumers will eventually regain some of their confidence, but they won't spend the way they did in 2005-2007, when many people were using their houses as ATMs, and the savings rate dropped nearly to zero.

So what will support the economy if cautious consumers and humbled homebuilders aren't up to the job?

A few months ago a headline in the satirical newspaper The Onion, on point as always, offered one possible answer: "Recession-Plagued Nation Demands New Bubble to Invest In." Something new could come along to fuel private demand, perhaps by generating a boom in business investment.

But this boom would have to be enormous, raising business investment to a historically unprecedented percentage of G.D.P., to fill the hole left by the consumer and housing pullback. While that could happen, it doesn't seem like something to count on.

A more plausible route to sustained recovery would be a drastic reduction in the U.S. trade deficit, which soared at the same time the housing bubble was inflating. By selling more to other countries and spending more of our own income on U.S.-produced goods, we could get to full employment without a boom in either consumption or investment spending.

But it will probably be a long time before the trade deficit comes down enough to make up for the bursting of the housing bubble. For one thing, export growth, after several good years, has stalled, partly because nervous international investors, rushing into assets they still consider safe, have driven the dollar up against other currencies -- making U.S. production much less cost-competitive.

Furthermore, even if the dollar falls again, where will the capacity for a surge in exports and import-competing production come from? Despite rising trade in services, most world trade is still in goods, especially manufactured goods -- and the U.S. manufacturing sector, after years of neglect in favor of real estate and the financial industry, has a lot of catching up to do.

Anyway, the rest of the world may not be ready to handle a drastically smaller U.S. trade deficit. As my colleague Tom Friedman recently pointed out, much of China's economy in particular is built around exporting to America, and will have a hard time switching to other occupations.

In short, getting to the point where our economy can thrive without fiscal support may be a difficult, drawn-out process. And as I said, I hope the Obama team understands that.

Right now, with the economy in free fall and everyone terrified of Great Depression 2.0, opponents of a strong federal response are having a hard time finding support. John Boehner, the House Republican leader, has been reduced to using his Web site to seek "credentialed American economists" willing to add their names to a list of "stimulus spending skeptics."

But once the economy has perked up a bit, there will be a lot of pressure on the new administration to pull back, to throw away the economy's crutches. And if the administration gives in to that pressure too soon, the result could be a repeat of the mistake F.D.R. made in 1937 -- the year he slashed spending, raised taxes and helped plunge the United States into a serious recession.

The point is that it may take a lot longer than many people think before the U.S. economy is ready to live without bubbles. And until then, the economy is going to need a lot of government help.

 

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Krugman is much too optimistic.
Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 23, 2008 12:07 AM   
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Wage deflation is underway because aggregate demand is crashing and there is no way around it. Our economy needs to be entirely restructured to meet our new paradigm. That new paradigm is that we spent too much over the last 30 years amassing 350% of GDP or $50 trillion in aggregate U.S. debt and that debt bubble has been popped by this banking crisis.

The new paradigm is a lower standard of living for all which is why the well off will have to be asked for much more in the way of taxes. The taxes must be used to build a platform under the public including Medicare for All, longer unemployment benefits and much higher wage cutoffs for food stamps, housing and day care. It may even go so far as a shortened work week from here on out. A public utility banking model will address funding new and extended programs as well as set the stage for a sustainable economy.

Krugman hints at what he must know, that our economic model is broken and that without radical changes we fall deeper and deeper into negative growth.

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» too optimistic Posted by: jon B
stuck on stupid
Posted by: jon B on Dec 23, 2008 1:40 AM   
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Remember when General Honare came into New Orleans after Katrina and told reporters that their questions were too focused on the wrong things? He called it "stuck on stupid."

Well, that's what economists all over the country are, stuck on stupid. And they've been that way for at least 20 years or more.

We've been peddled this financial free market spend-a-thon, that was doomed to failure. We've been sold a scam of free wheeling debt and an economy that was nothing but a massive Ponzi Scheme. And it has come to its' eventual fruition. We are going to pay for this for years.

Two things of many that I spotted that clarified that the economic multi-car crash was going to be just down the road. First, the no-peek mortgages where they didn't even care whether a person had a job. Clearly stupid!

Secondly, the credit card commercial of last year where all the consumers are waving their cards through the reader one by one like robots. Until! A person digs out their wallet to pay cash and slows the assembly line of credit card use down a few seconds and the robots and cashier are flabbergasted and upset by that lone wolf radical with money. It was suppose to be comedy, but it was a sober story of consumer industry insanity and a allegory of what was happening on Wall Street.

And the allegory continues as we let the loser industries that are deemed "too big to fail" to pass their credit cards through the federal government reader to get their bailouts. I hear the next rumblings for bailouts are for the big commercial real estate giants. Another robotic industry stuck on stupid going to our federal government which is also stuck on stupid.

The economy itself is no longer stuck on stupid. It is paying the price of mass stupidity, which is a massive failure. The utterly greedy, corrupt and stupid elites that created this mess need to pay for their wrongs as well, but I doubt it will happen. But the masses of our country will certainly be the ones that really pay for the crimes and insanity of the elite incompetents always stuck on sticking us with their stupidity.

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hank
Posted by: hankgeorge on Dec 23, 2008 3:48 AM   
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Supercapitalism doesn't work...for the many, that is. Social democracy, with tight regulation and downgrading the corporate entity to a junior partner to the human, that works. Expect radicalization of the American people now out of embitterment with this failed system. The energy should be directed at reconstituting the system along the European lines of social democracy and controlled capitalism. Impossible? Sheer numbers must count for something, unless we have already crossed the line and this is nothing more than a corporatocracy along the lines seen in Nazi Germany, etc.

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» Except . . Posted by: pete ess
» RE: hank Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: hank Posted by: racetoinfinity
» RE: hank Posted by: racetoinfinity
What ever happened to corporations...
Posted by: peacelf on Dec 23, 2008 5:51 AM   
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that manufacture a product that people want or need and make a profit by selling that product?

Today, profit is made with tax breaks, gov't loans and bailouts, cutting workers' wages and benefits, shipping manufacturing overseas, privatizing gov't services, and/or cheating your customers.

If this is the goal of corporations, then the idea of a corporation is inherently evil and should be stripped of its great power and influence.

I say, we should return to the days when corporate charters restricted the period of time a corporation can exists (5-10 years); corporations could not own land; a committee of citizens controlled the charter; the corporation had no "rights" as people do under the U.S. Constitution; and, if ever the corporation violated the limits of its charter, it would be stripped of its right to exist. In other words, the corporation was, believe it or not, a more democratic institution.

A corporation is not a person! It is a piece of paper. When we strip corporations of "personhood" we will see the type of corporation that makes a product or service that people want or need, not the monstrosity that wields power and influence like a dictator, causes an economic collapse, and lies about its own culpability.

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Honest to goodness, it could'nt come at a better time.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 23, 2008 6:12 AM   
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After a bunch of years spent in school and accumulating letters behind our names, my wife and I are looking for positions together, and we're open to almost anywhere in the country.

We've worked hard and saved enough for a very modest but decent starter home, but if we find a place to settle, we'll turn that into a 25-30% (or more, as the value of homes continue to correct) down-payment, even though we've got mixed feelings about being in debt for $200K on a house out in the countryside.

At this point, the worse things get and the more desperate that irresponsible banks and sellers get, the farther our money goes. As one of the cornerstones of modern progressive theory, I'd expect more folks to be celebrating this recent boon to affordable housing in the U.S.

Our only enemy is inflation, and the a possible run on the banks, capitulating the collapse of the FDIC/NCUA government guarantees that will make the social "security" boondoggle and medicare fiasco look like small 'taters....

...which we will be growing, along with corn, and wheat, I suspect. I know you can't time the market, but if the author is right, we may have only a score of months to settle in, courtesy of some fool or his bank who is forced to liquidate a nice piece of land. I also need to figure out how to make a whisky stil. You know...just in case we need medicinals in this brave, new "print more worthless money" economy we're desperately trying to force upon ourselves as a nation of unconcerned and ignorant voters.

P.S. If you are going to invest now, my picks for industries are CHEAP beer and cigarettes, and MJ if its legalized (criminal "justice" industry if its not)...along with toilet paper and other things that folks will sacrifice not to be without.

There's no reason, after all, not to look for ways to take care of yourself and support others via your productivity, investments, and tax burden.

Now bring me that doom and gloom horizon!

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» Don't wait too long. . . . Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Don't wait too long. . . . Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» we are in agreement Posted by: NthnBrazil
» beer here Posted by: jon B
Do we want the US economy to improve?
Posted by: Texas-Leftas on Dec 23, 2008 7:31 AM   
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I don't want the US economy to get better. The sooner the USA collapses, the sooner it will be unable to drop bombs on other countries.
I'm hoping that this is the beginning of the end of the USA. Let it break up into several smaller states. Texas can be a country, California can be another country, etc.
China has already started shifting its export emphasis to other nations. Meanwhile, the US dollar becomes less of an international reserve currency and less of a global medium of exchange. Cuba and Venezuela started trading and bartering goods and services. Russia and China did so also in some areas. Iran and Syria have dumped the dollar. Even some shops in the USA have started to accept Euros.
What the article refers to as the "growth" of US manufacturing is a joke. Even in the "growth" period, the USA was still carrying a huge trade deficit.
I'll raise a glass to a world where the USA has become irrelevant. The sooner the better.
US people can benefit from that also. They can start growing gardens for their food, trading with their neighbors, raise chicken in their backyards, and generally go more green.

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» Be careful what you wish for Posted by: jwc1480
» Gotta Love the Vietnamese Posted by: Texas-Leftas
» HASTEN SLOWLY Posted by: americansheep
» Let's explore that Posted by: Tankerdeath
ba
Posted by: mnstra on Dec 23, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Dont believe this mouthpiece for the ruling elite-- If i open the mainstream press to read any of their garbage i am on solid ground when I presume that what they say is all lies including this post.

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We are being punished for cheer-leading war-criminal Bush
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Dec 23, 2008 9:58 AM   
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We imposed the neocons on the world and now we must pay a price for our sins.

I have no sympathy for average joe who voted for Bush, especially in 2004, when we knew better.

We deserve what we get...

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unlimited growth
Posted by: toddcory on Dec 23, 2008 10:03 AM   
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Unlimited growth and consumption simply cannot happen on a finite planet. The global pyramid scheme is coming to an end. The paradigm shift underway will be profound.

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Human Being
Posted by: Human Being on Dec 23, 2008 10:37 AM   
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The Great Depression never ended. It simply got interrupted by World War II, and then several decades of deficit-financed Cold War spending and unsustainable (both economically and ecologically) consumption. The core "crisis of capitalism" underlying the Great Depression never got resolved.

Now it's back. And we have no more options for distraction. It's getting trite to say so, but it's all too true: We will see profound, tremendous change in the years ahead, to a far greater degree than even Mr. Krugman may realize.

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» Great Depression 2.0 a great name Posted by: Human Being
» Welcome Aboard Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: Welcome Aboard Posted by: Human Being
» RE: Human Being Posted by: Texas-Leftas
left lane
Posted by: left lane on Dec 23, 2008 10:39 AM   
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Paul Krugman is right on target, but publication of his article doesn't add to the arguments. Everything he wrote has already been expressed by other commentators months before - most notably in an article: The Trade Balance and the Limits of the Paulson Rescue Plan. Which leads to a suggestion for Alternet: Is it purposeful to publicize an article in the widely read and conventional New York Times in deference to publicizing more original and revealing articles from alternative websites and authors who need wider circulation for equally informative and more timely articles?

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Wishful thinking...
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Dec 23, 2008 10:51 AM   
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... won't prevent the inevitable collapse of western-imposed civilization. The only question is, will "westerners" change paths and act wisely, before the worst possible scenarios ensue?

I'm here, when you're ready...

The "meek" can't inherit the "earth" until humanity and our rich and arrogant leaders are shamed into humility by their own folly...

Peace and Wisdom...

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Krugman's Princeton crony is "Fed" Chair Bernanke
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Dec 23, 2008 11:12 AM   
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By his actions, a de facto criminal that Krugman defends along with the private Fascist Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp that was never federal and has zilch for reserves.

Phony “progressive” Krugman is what amounts to an MSM / Princeton establishment squawk box that will pretend to offer answers to Organized Corporate Crime Fascist Rule as he promotes the usual in endless distraction, decoys and red herrings.

EXAMPLE: FDR did not cause or intensify any recession at 1937 by his marginal policies. The cause of the Great Depression at 1929 and its aftermath was the private corporate crime "Federal Reserve" Corp that cut the money supply by a full third from 1929 to 1933. All at the pleasure of “Fed” private super-privileged felons for their own profit.

Bernanke admitted this in his speech at Milton Friedman's (Rockefeller stooge) birthday 2002:

"I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again."

But of course, a parasite ruling class has done it again.

By the way, economics is NOT legitimate science but a tool of psychological propaganda enforced by the status quo to brainwash the gullible. As another example, the “economics” Nobel Prize recently awarded Krugman remains a fraud. Alfred Noble left no provision in his will for such a prize. It was tacked onto the process in 1968 by establishment insiders.



“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)

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Until we break our addiction to instant gratification...
Posted by: Farasien on Dec 23, 2008 11:45 AM   
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...we won't see any kind of recovery that lasts more than a quarter, at best. Because the american business model shift to immediate, short-term profits rather than long-term growth, stability and sane, sound economic modeling based on the real economy rather than the leveraged one the 'geniuses' wall street are selling their (and our) souls to, we can't see an honest change. Its a sad fact, but it is a fact, that instability and pain are great money-makers. Until we can learn that the opposite is better overall and kick our addiction to Everything All the Time, we'll stay right where we are or even see it get worse. I don't hold out any hope that we can do this, sans a major, earth-shaking catastrophe however, as it is now part of the american DNA to do things on the edge, no matter who it hurts. As I've said in other posts on here, its going to take either a total reversion of thinking (unlikely- humans are slow to change unless forced by circumstance) or a sustained period of total loss to make people wake up and see what the assholes on top have really done to all of us. The good news is, the second scenario is likely already beginning. The bad news is... if you aren;t already broke and homeless, most of us are about to be, Obama's rhetoric be damned.

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We Live on a Sphere
Posted by: Cherenkovrad on Dec 23, 2008 1:09 PM   
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As usual, we are looking at business as usual.

The idea that we can return to a system that demands ever present growth and expect a happy outcome is the delusional stuff of fantasy.

As it is, we are consuming the equivalent of more than one earth's resources. More consumption, growing with the population, will result in the need, in a very short time, of another earth or two, which we do not have.

The present course of growth is a poisonous and cancerous path. To do so means the end of humanity. Many people, due to the unfortunate lack of a decent science education, believe that we will always be able to find some technological way to overcome these limits. That this is not true is completely obvious to anyone who games that path out to the end.

We live on a sphere. We have X amount of oil. At X over 2, we enter the downslope of production. All of our species' enormous growth is based on fossil sunlight. Minus that fossil sunlight, we go back to the original path we were on before we ended up in this technological cul de sac. If you look at the this bump in the road, and it is only a tiny, infinitesimal bump in our history of millions of years of sustainable living, imagine that we are on the downslope, as we are. Look out over that vast future plain. That is our coming history. That will become the vast billion year future of humanity sans fossil fuel. We burned it in the blink of an eye. That plain can either be a howling Mars-like desert, a once fecund planet with a few toeholds of microbial life left after our disastrous experiment, or it can be a thriving but much smaller group of humans who planned their way down from the mistake.

Which will it be? My guess is we will kill it. We will kill all of humanity so that a few rich people can have a good time for a few more decades.

What do you want? Business as usual? I.E. the destruction of the environment? Or, do you want us to use what is left of this relatively cheap source of energy and use it to de-engineer the cancer, develop sustainable communities world-wide, and allow humanity and its brother and sister life forms to live in coexistence with physical reality?

I know. Already you are thinking of ways not to do what needs to be done. Many of you are thinking: We have nukes! We have solar! We have wind! We have technology.

Ah. Magic. For any civilization not technologically advanced enough, all technology seems magical.

My corollary is: Any civilization not educated enough in basic physics will believe any scientist with a discipline to promote.

Remember, for a carpenter, every problem requires a hammer.

Sigh.

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» RE: We Live on a Sphere Posted by: clevernotwise
Oh come now. Obama's gonna be the president and there are more Democrats in Congress, so ...
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 23, 2008 4:59 PM   
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what's the problem? You won't have Bush and the GOP to kick around at anymore. Either they do their job or face EXECUTION at the polls for keeping the very bad status quo !

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LONG LIVE PERMACULTURE AND SUSTAINABILITY
Posted by: caru on Dec 23, 2008 5:26 PM   
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capitalism sucks.

capitalists say:

DOG EAT DOG
CUTTHROAT COMPETITION

and of course they lie and abuse workers to squeeze out the bottom line.

i would be happy if we moved on to permaculture. lets not fix capitalism, let us move on to something that will really work for people and the planet.

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Captured by the Debt Spider
Posted by: racetoinfinity on Dec 23, 2008 7:32 PM   
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I was linking and surfing and this caught my attention -

Introduction to "Web of Debt" by Ellen Goodman

It gave me a new perspective on the make-believe and unbelievable control the non-governmental Fed has on the world economy, esp. ours.

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Will
Posted by: wrpote on Dec 23, 2008 8:23 PM   
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Hey! I got an idea! Let's have another World War! This time with Nukes! WWlll. Break out the flags!War bonds. Reduce the population. Stimulate the economy. Get rid of troublesome left-wing peace loving enviro freindly 911 conspiracy party poopers. When economic reality rears its ugly head, kill someone. Everybody feels better.

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Dr. Krugman makes some valid points, but...
Posted by: djnoll on Dec 24, 2008 10:55 AM   
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underlying it all is the message of we need to take responsibility for what we and our communities need to do in the future to survive. We have for many decades allowed ourselves to be lulled by the idea that the federal government would solve all our problems and that if we let them work with the big corporations everything would be fine. Well, guess what, folks, it is not fine!

So first step is we have to learn to think for ourselves. This will be the toughest of all because we have been taught for two generations how not to think.

Second step, we need to become creative and innovative. We need to apply the solutions that are out there for some of the problems we face - education, energy, water, environment, jobs, health, home/food security. We know how to address all these things on local and personal levels, and we need to start doing just that instead of waiting around for others to do it for us.

Third, form community organizations to address larger scale issues that will affect the towns you live in. Demand that town governments take responsibility for protecting water, natural resources, energy for your communities. Change the environment in which your government must function and you can create change in how it works.

Fourth, stop worrying about what has happened - you cannot change it. Put your efforts in to creating the changes you need personally now so that you can look to the future. This means learning to rethink how you live your life - do away with the gadgets and gizmos, and learn to live within your means. Pay off the credit card bills and pay cash or write checks for everything. Plan how to have a garden to help with food costs, and if you have a local farmer's market, join it or start one of your own in your community. Develop barter groups who can work together to create resources for clothing, services, other necessities. Work within your community to start new businesses that can employ others in your community, and create resources within the community to create new opportunities for others.

Fifth, learn to give rather than receive in your community. Share your ideas and your efforts with others, and do not back down when it seems no one else cares. The lives you touch will change and soon you will have others standing beside you to create change and bring prosperity to your town.

Does all or any of this sound idealistic or familiar? It should. It is the principles that built this country and have helped it weather other difficult times. The is the underlying message of Dr. Krugman. It may be up to the Obama Administration to create the opportunities for us to do this rebuilding, but it must be up to us to actually do it, starting now.

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» RE: 4th, arguement is Wrong Posted by: Andie927
No, Mr. Krugman, YOU won't be in for any HELL! I will!
Posted by: joeocho88 on Dec 25, 2008 12:01 AM   
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It is the people like me who were technologically displaced and totally UNABLE to replace the tech job I lost in 2001 with any sort of work and I finally found some retraining so I could get by and NOW I am finding that I will have NO job when I get out of school.
I WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HELL and the thousands of other like me.

I don't want to be homeless and hungry because I was that when CARTER was President. He could NEVER build enough Habitat for Humanity Homes to replace what was destroyed when he was President and what he did to me...

EVERY TIME I MANAGED TO GET A JOB AND GET ON MY FEET --HERE COMES ANOTHER RECESSION AND KNOCKS ME DOWN INTO THE GUTTER AGAIN! AND AS I GET OLDER, IT GETS MORE DIFFICULT TO GET UP AGAIN AND START ANOTHER JOB.PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE TO HIRE OLDER WORKERS!
Even though I have state of the art computer training, I am still considered TOO OLD to be hired.
And for all of you younger people, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU TOO SO DON'T SNICKER AT OLDER,DISPLACED WORKERS!
CHENEY AND HIS CRONIES AND CLINTON AND BUSH I ENGINEERED THIS WHOLE THING SO THEY AND THEIR CRONIES COULD STEAL ALL THEY WANTED AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DID!
THEY NEED TO BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES OF THEFT AND FRAUD!
THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THEIR IDOL RICHARD NIXON AND HE WAS A CROOK TOO!

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Posted by: Passacaglia on Dec 25, 2008 8:37 AM   
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“Let the USA be wiped off the map just as the Soviet Union disappeared and be replaced by a bunch of smaller states”. Said like a True Self-Delusional. That is just the kind of comment that is useless. First of all take a look at Russia today. Putin is putting himself in as a permanent tyrant. Not too much gained by breaking up the Soviet Union. And much is being lost. Second, the structure of the United States is not like Russia (viz., what was once the Soviet Union, what was once before that Russia). If you think individual states in the United States can survive solo you are sadly mistaken. Where is the evidence that they can? Their economies are all tied up interstatewide. All the national infrastructure, bad as it already is, would go completely to hell in a handbasket. What kind of state leaders would evolve? Like Bloomberg wants in New York, another tyrant who wants to overturn term limits. Term limits is what keeps politicians from patronizing Mafia-like boss control. A set of 50 independent tyrannical states will do no one any good at all. It is a stupid idea, period, because all the ramifications are not thought through.

What is going on with the pessimists here is reactivism, a common affliction with social pessimists, which is caused by being dazzled by their own pseudo-intellectual glooming/dooming. The real social pragmatist says okay, mistakes were made, big ones, by the grossest self-servers while we were distracted by ordinary life. Now that we have been shocked into reality, it is time to roll up our sleeves and do something about the problems we face now and reset the structure to avoid the pitfalls in the future.

The thing we must do is to be smart enough to ensure we cannot be taken advantage of again. That is the difficulty, not to get rid of the free-est country on the planet. Just compare the constitutional freedoms in America with those of any other country. And the Constitution of the United States is one that cannot be dispossessed as Mugabe just did with the Zimbabwean Constitution. Think about it deeper. Wiping the USA off the map is saying Americans are too dumb to rule themselves. That simply is not true regardless of any argument that we do not rule ourselves. If not, then quit blaming us for the endemic problems.

Looking for utopia is a psychoneuroticism. We make utopia by learning to curb appetites at the expense of others.

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