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Did America Get Punk'd on the Bailout?

By David Sirota, Campaign for America's Future. Posted December 18, 2008.


The answer is yes ... now here's what to do about it.
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Editor's note: David Sirota appeared on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show on Dec. 16  to discuss the bailout. You can watch the clip at the end of the article.

When I went on Rachel Maddow's show on Tuesday, she asked a question about the bailout that is really the question of our time: Did we get punk'd? As progressive bailout critics have been saying since the current Wall Street bailout was first proposed, the answer is yes.

As the Minneapolis Federal Reserve reports, the major claims about a credit crisis that justified Congress cutting a trillion-dollar blank check to Wall Street were demonstrably false. And new data and reports show they remain demonstrably false.

For instance, take a look at line 1 and line 5 of this December Federal Reserve report on bank lending. That's right -- you see no significant decrease in lending, and in some cases, an increase. Interbank lending has dropped some, but certainly not at the crisis levels the Bush administration and banks claimed.

Then take a look at this story from Reuters, recounting a big report from a widely respected financial analysis firm:

"The credit crunch is not nearly as severe as the U.S. authorities appear to believe, and public data actually suggest world credit markets are functioning remarkably well, a report [from Celent consulting] released on Thursday says. ... The report, much of which is based on U.S. Federal Reserve data, challenges a long list of assumptions one by one, arguing that there is indeed a financial crisis but that, on aggregate, the problems of a few are by no means those of the many when it comes to obtaining credit.

"It is startling that many of (Federal Reserve) Chairman (Ben) Bernanke and (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson's remarks are not supported or are flatly contradicted by the data provided by the very organizations they lead," said the report.

Regarding U.S. business access to credit, the report says: Overall U.S. bank lending is at its highest level ever; U.S. commercial bank lending is at record highs and growing particularly fast since May 2007; corporate bond issuance has declined, but increased commercial lending has compensated for this; [interbank] lending hit its highest level ever in September 2008 and remained high in October and that overall interbank lending is up 22 percent; the cost of interbank lending ... dropped to its lowest level ever in early November and remains at very low levels; [consumer credit] was at a record high in September; and local government bond issuance had continued at similar levels to those before the credit crisis, while bank lending for real estate reached a record level in October 2008, it says. (emphasis added)

Then there's this from the Wall Street Journal looking at a new study by the National Federation of Independent Business:

The report found that among small businesses "no 'credit crunch' has appeared to date beyond the normal cyclical tightening of credit." The NFIB found that worries about interest rates and financing were a concern to only 3 percent of respondents. ... By and large, the story of the NFIB report was that if credit is going untapped, it's largely because company operators are not choosing to pursue the credit. It's not that companies can't get the extra money, it's that they don't want or need it because of the broader slowdown in economic activity. (emphasis added)

That last point is the big one: The real crisis is in the real economy -- ya know, the real world of jobs, wages, health care premiums and pensions that Washington has totally ignored as it keeps writing checks to its well-heeled campaign contributors on Wall Street under the guise of a lending crisis. Adding insult to injury is the last thing I discussed with Rachel -- the fact that because the bailout money came with almost no strings attached, the financial-industry recipients of the taxpayer largesse are either hoarding the money, using it to pay shareholder dividends and executive bonuses, or devoting it to efforts to buy up smaller competitors.


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David Sirota is a best-selling author whose newest book, The Uprising, was released this month. He is a fellow at the Campaign for America's Future and a board member of the Progressive States Network -- both nonpartisan organizations. His blog is at www.credoaction.com/sirota.

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Did America Get Punk'd on the Bailout? .... Big Time !
Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 18, 2008 1:36 AM   
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What are we seeing in the increase in all these categories ? I mean companies are borrowing less for inventory and expansion. People are buying fewer houses and cars and just about everything else. On top of that banks are writing hundreds of billions off their books as bad debt ! Yet the borrowings keep going up!

Could it be that the banks are unwinding their off the balance sheet SIVs ( Structured Investment Vehicles) onto their books as they were required to do by Jan 1, 2009 until recently, when it was pushed back.

That sure would explain how their balance sheets could expand when nobody is borrowing. It would also explain the swelling of banks level 3 assets. Those are assets that can't be marked to market (level 1) or marked to model (level 2). In the real world Level 3 assets are called marked to "marked to make believe" .. Yves Smith has a great post on this Quelle Surprise! Banks Increase "Mark to Make-Believe" Assets to $610 Billion.

So the big increase in lending is just the reclassification of the SIVs off balance sheet bank assets (debts) on to the balance sheet. As soon as they got there the banks wisely classified them as level 3 assets so that the accountants or auditors would have to give them a pass on the validity of their worth.

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From the Financial Times:

The biggest US financial institutions reported a sharp increase to $610bn in so-called hard-to-value assets during the third quarter, raising concerns about the hidden dangers on balance sheets.

So-called level-three assets, classified as hard to value and hard to sell, rose 15.5 per cent from the second quarter, according to analysis by the Market, Credit and Risk Strategies group of Standard & Poor’s.

Level-three assets have risen all year for most banks as they have found it virtually impossible to sell mortgage-backed securities and collateralised debt obligations.

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So, are we seeing massive new lending or are we seeing "off the balance sheet" "structured investment vehicles" otherwise known as toxic debt, being put on the balance sheet ? I think the latter for many reasons.

So are we being screwed ? Indeed we are ... BIGTIME !

This is exactly why we need FDRs Bank Holiday or the Swedish Plan, to sort this mess out.

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Imagine 300 million naked sheep...
Posted by: Zeugitai on Dec 18, 2008 1:48 AM   
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...and you have a good picture of America and Americans. The whole bleating herd got fleeced down to the skin and they hardly know what happened to them: "B-b-b-bail out," "B-b-b-bail out." The people who did it knew and they know that none of the fleeced sheep with their rock-hard, thick-walled skulls is capable of even comprehending their true status (that they were financially raped) let alone capable of taking action. Financially, and this is well known to the plutocrats who run the country, America is a nation of bimbos.

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KOOL-AID STATE USA – DISASTER FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Dec 18, 2008 2:19 AM   
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So bestseller Sirota says Congress can do this and Congress can do that, yata yata, yata… hm hm.

That’s some hat trick with Congress is ruled by Organized Corporate Crime (i.e. Fascism) run out of a Ponzi trap “Federal Reserve” Corp that was never federal and has less than zero reserves.

It gets worse. Sirota cites his favorite decoy artist Naomi Klein:

”Looking at what's gone on in the last three months, we see a classic example of Naomi Klein's "shock doctrine" and subsequent disaster capitalism.”

It’s classic distraction artist Naomi Klein that says “disaster capitalism” is the problem. But “capitalism” DOES NOT EXIST and CANNOT EXIST under FASCISM. Never has, never will. Klein in an Alternet interview also said that shocks are essentially random and thus, that there’s no such thing as Organized Corporate Crime (i.e. Fascism):

Klien: “I don't say that anyone is causing these disasters for their benefit, but in the book I do say that if there's anything the market delivers on is a stream of increasingly intense disasters.”

Here’s the ultimate howler by Sirota:

”Finally, Congress can allocate the unspent bailout money to a robust economic-recovery package focused on job-creating infrastructure and health care priorities…”

So Big DC Government is the answer? The same shake down Big Washington-MSM circus that palmed off 9/11 “war on terror” coverup and genocide? I repeat: DC owned by Fascist Wall Street sharks that continue their favorite pastime at destroying Main Street is the answer?

This is the blind leading the blind into more of the same for red herrings and decoy nonsense galore that can only lead to more concentration of power in EXACTLY the wrong hands.

That’s called Fascism, kids.

Disaster Fascism if you like.

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Me Ranting
Posted by: meranting on Dec 18, 2008 2:35 AM   
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I really don't mean this to come across the wrong way but this country has to be one of the dummest on earth. Of course the American people got punk'd - but the astonishing part to me is that it keeps happening and the people keep swallowing the BS. The savings and loans scandal wasn't enough? It's all so obvious what's going on, it truly hurts watching it all unfold again, and again and again.

To see how very little memory we have, just turn on the TV and look at all the crooks on there. From Buchanan, to Ollie North, all of them deeply involved in some of the nation's biggest scandals, but now they're selling books and being asked for "analysis", and of course making money on all of it.

We didn't get punkd, we just got ripped off, like we always do.

Me Ranting

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» Fooled? I don't think so Posted by: Inlander
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Don Quixot
Posted by: Don Quixote on Dec 18, 2008 2:54 AM   
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The bailout is another 9/11, this time an economic one, where instead of a jet plane vaporising and dissapearing what is vaporising and dissappearing is middle class money going to the rich, in the US democracy of the rich by the rich for the rich, or of Wall Street, by Wall Street for Wall Street, cinic enough as to say bailout opponents are “irresponsible”. After showing no responsibility, they still give responsibility lessons. But most Americans are brainwashed by Wall Street’s mainstream media, so little hope for the US middle class and lots of hope for the US rich.

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» RE: Don Quixot Posted by: jvaljon1
Not quite so dumb
Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 18, 2008 3:14 AM   
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The American people deserve a little more credit here.

The initial version of the bailout was rejected in the House--largely because of public opposition to the giveaway. We got punked for sure--but not quite as badly as we might have, thanks to the public outcry. So Americans were not acting entirely like dunces or sheeple.

The polls suggest the people are not quite as dumb as the commenters here say. People are not experts on the nuances of high finance, but they don't seem to want shock doctrine tactics or blatant giveaways:

"A new USA Today poll finds that 78 percent of Americans agree that Congress should pass a plan to rescue America’s financial markets, with 56 percent saying the plan should be different from the original one proposed by the Bush administration last week. Sixty three percent support limits on CEO compensation for corporations who participate in the bailout and 80 percent say provisions to help homeowners unable to afford their mortgages are 'important.'"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/26/poll-bailout-2/

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No surprise....
Posted by: biwee on Dec 18, 2008 3:32 AM   
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Take a CLOSE look at the key players in this scam. Fuld, Paulson, Greenspan, Greenberg, Bernanke, Geithner, Mack, Rubin and on and on and on..... Here's the bottom line. Paulson bailed out his Wall St criminal buddies with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. Paulson's Wall St buddies are THE VERY SAME GROUP that created the CMO (subprime/alta/optionARM) nightmare. In other words, those who made huge salaries and whose companies made huge fees cranking out the junk mortgage backed securities which crushed the economy are the same people Paulson has rewarded. America has been scammed again by the same crowd.

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Hey, I know!
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Dec 18, 2008 3:37 AM   
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When an issue like the bailout emerges, let's VOTE on it!


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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We Need To Pass This Article Around
Posted by: GatoPreto on Dec 18, 2008 3:37 AM   
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Whether we agree on the details of the scam or not, nobody will argue that this gigantic heist it legit. It's a short article, so it's easy to walk somebody through it.

Together with the comments section, it ought to add a couple of logs to the fire, keep the anger to a healthy level of warmth. People need to realize they are not alone being suspicious of the shenanigans. Mike Moore's film Slacker Uprising is a pretty good tool too, as is Spurlock's Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden?

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» You lost me at Rachel Maddow Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
We agreed to the bailout the ........
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Dec 18, 2008 4:06 AM   
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way they presented it to us. But I didn't agree with the loopholes. That was something our elected officials should have caught. Which tells me someone knew how to insure their golden parachutes. I feel like the Bush admin's whole 2 terms were to tear down this country to rubble. They've got 32 days left. :smh:

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THE GREAT TRANSFER OF WEALTH - HA!
Posted by: greentime on Dec 18, 2008 5:00 AM   
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Folks, they have picked our pockets right down to the lint.

We have been robbed, plain and simple. I would love to find the footage of Bush 1 - at his State of the Union speech where he turned to the camera and said "Don't you see we are having a party here?"

And there he was before the votes were counted for Bush II, over in Saudi land making even better deals. Did we all miss that? And what about 911? It was the Saudis who flew the planes. Oh say, do you see?????

This is deliberately unregulated, well, DE-regulated greed. It was brought to you by Clear Channel hate mongering and fear mongering and brought to you courtesy of the religious right leaders who so proudly fell in line as did their sheep.

They have fleeced the flock and the flock is still spewing the same old dogma while they are getting shreared. B-A-A-A-H-H-H-H, it's the g-g-g-g-a-a-a-y-y-s, it's the f-e-m-i-n-a-z--i-i-i-i-i-s, it's the li-b-b-b-b-b-e-r-r-r-a-l-s. Oh please!

After the fleece comes off then what?

Mutton anyone? Or do you prefer to become a nice shearling coat or slippers for the rich to wear?

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» THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN? Posted by: FREE SPEECH
Why are these statements a surprise?
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Dec 18, 2008 5:19 AM   
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"It is startling that many of (Federal Reserve) Chairman (Ben) Bernanke and (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson's remarks are not supported or are flatly contradicted by the data provided by the very organizations they lead," said the report."

Why? What's so startling about this? These are ideologues that blindly follow their theory and proudly declaim that they don't believe in 'evidence.' They are of the same mold as Dubya - "faith-based" rather than evidence-based decisionmaking is how they operate. In this case, it's blind faith in their so-called economic theory.

I wish that they had blind faith in antigravity and walked out the nearest skyscraper window...

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Public financed elections needed
Posted by: warrior woman on Dec 18, 2008 6:02 AM   
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The bailout was planned for years, I bet. We didn't get an October surprise as expected in a military or terrorist sense. Instead, as others have pointed out, we got a financial 9 eleven.

Anybody know how to start a Constitutional amendment to ensure all elections are public financed? We won't alleviate any of our problems until we do this and the only way to get it done is citizen action in all 50 states. The problem is, even groups that we might agree with will not want public elections because they are not in their best interests. All groups, left and right use our money to influence Congress. Instead of money and jobs in these areas, we'd have to forego everything of this nature.

Let's do it.

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Buy stock in Congress
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Dec 18, 2008 6:07 AM   
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For a (relatively) small investment to the right Congressmen's campaigns, companies get an absurd return on their money. It's like a Ponzi scheme that's legally sanctioned by the government.
The solution? No company that contributes to any congressman's campaign gets to lobby Washington or receive Federal funds. I think absolutely everywhere else in society this is referred to as a conflict of interest, no? Pick one or the other, exercise your monetary free speech and help get someone elected that you "believe in" OR donate nothing and you can try to twist arms all you want to get your way. But the "You scratch, I scratch" system has no place in a democracy, at least not one that wants to have any trust or credibility with it's governed population.

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"The British have come!", "The British have come!"
Posted by: talkville on Dec 18, 2008 6:34 AM   
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What a trip! What can a body do?

I was born in the USA, not too long after long efforts in physics and other sciences yielded the successful splitting of the Atom, not very long after the successful experimental and then practical application of The Bomb upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki, an Event that vaporized and incinerated much, much more than men, women, children, animals, buildings, etc in those cities of Japan. We have yet, here in 2008, even yet begun to fully appreciate and realize the implications in all areas of our social relations of that signal evolutionary, revolutionary and devolutionary Event. That, remains for succeeding generations; we, "Baby Boomers" are the first generation only of that existential situation presented to us all by Oppenheimer's Shiva.

In earlier days, I engaged with others in struggles for social justice, for equality, for the dignity and decency of a properly worthy and valuable social body for all its individual members. That was in a country of freedom.

Somehow, along the way, these struggles became altered and transformed. Now, in older times and closer to Closing Time, the struggles have become for social justice, for equality and for the dignity and decency of all AND for the liberation of a Captured and Enclosed Country. Queen Mum in England is, I am sure, properly happy and content with deep historical conditions at present around the world and here in that "Black Sheep" USA.

Over all those years, the question 'what do we own?' slowly transformed itself into: 'what do we owe?'. From respect for laws and regulations we collectively decide upon to enhance the public weal we have moved to "respect for THE RULE of law". Atlas has not only shrugged; he has lifted the State, the Government (now suitably Corporatized) to occupy a position ABOVE us all. It is not difficult to see how Alternet's section "Rights and Liberties" must now be read: "Permissions and Privileges".

Tragic. Not even in Shakespearean terms; hard core, classical Greek, gloriously free Greek, tragic.

Commoners all: we are left to our own devices.

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KitCarson - See NYT 121808
Posted by: KitCarson on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 AM   
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Read todays NYT front page - "Wall St. Profits Were a Mirage, But Huge Bonuses Were Real".

Why shouldn't taxes be increase for salaries about $250,000? Why shouldn't taxes be imposed on capital gains at a fair rate? Hedge fund taxes anyone? Criminal prosecution anyone?

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Pater Nostrum
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 AM   
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We have a population that has been dumbed down for several generations now. We withhold the ability to critically analyze situations --and life in general-- from our school children.

To answer Dumbya's semi-rhetorical question "Is our children learning?", the answer would have to be "NO". We teach them to take multiple-choice tests. We do not teach them how to learn; how to look things up, how to investigate and form logical conclusions.

And because of the type of student we are sending out into the world, they tend to look to authority figures to tell them what they "should" support and what "the experts" say we should do. That's why polls are so important to our Cleptocracy (Rule by thieves).

Since so many Americans do not know how to find, retrieve, digest, and analyze the information, they retreat into a "go along, get along" Good German attitute. We should respect the "Office of the President" and "Well, if this is what our leaders say we need to do, then I guess it's OK..."

We collectively pass off our civic responsibilities because it "hurts our brains" --we'd rather be watching the boob-tube. I believe most of us would rather be distracted than deal with these issues. But avoidance only increases the sh%t-rain when the inevitable day of reckoning comes.

To mix metaphors here; the Sheeple have had the TARP pulled over their eyes.

Rapacitas et malus. Dedecus adsigno auspicis.

--Pope Urban XXIII

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Punk'd.............
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Dec 18, 2008 7:08 AM   
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Yeah, we got punk'd 8 years ago by a Supreme Court that handed the White House to an incompetent! This is the last in a long series of raping and pillaging this nation! And while everyone is waiting on the new President elect to take office to make changes, what we the people need to do is to voice our opposition to all of these shenanigans by writing our Congress person and demanding accountability and action!

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See: Capital Hill
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Dec 18, 2008 7:38 AM   
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You
Elected
or
Re-Elected
All the major (and minor) players in all of this so an't a damm thing going to change. You don't know whom the bad guys are and when someone tells you and all that glitter an't gold (Democrats). Oh yea our side of the has been very very bad however what do you really do? What do I really do?

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Still think money is a wise path?
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Dec 18, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Nuff said...

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You got Punk'd
Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Dec 18, 2008 7:53 AM   
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America is not an abstract discussion. America is not a philosophical construct. America, you and me and the neighbor next door, that America, shingles off into the thin gauze of a vapid idea when the flesh and blood of America becomes little more than a discussable concept.

You and me and the neighbor next door, Punk'd. Obviously. You and me and the neighbor next door will spend the rest of our lives sloshing around in this mess and the one to follow. Yep, we will get porked again. Why? We are easy. Do the easy ones first. That would be you and me and the neighbor next door. Punk'd.

Don't listen now, but the "they" we discuss are laughing their butts off at us. Punk'd

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toxic waste, not loans
Posted by: jon B on Dec 18, 2008 8:22 AM   
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I'm going to quibble with Sirota about the reason that was "advertised" for the bailout. If I recall, it was a mish mash of drivel that included the idea that banks were going to crash touching off a Wall Street panic unless the federal government purchased the troubled assets or toxic waste. Getting banks to lend was an "important goal" as well, but not the lead reason...after all TARP stands for Troubled Assets Relief Program.

The truth of the bailout is that Paulson probably didn't know what to do and that buying up the toxic debt seemed as good of a coin flip as any.

Prior to the TARP Paulson was playing bank God by determining which firms would be helped and which would be allowed to die off. He helped arrange buyouts for Goldman Sachs, and let Lehman Brothers exit the scene.

The problem always has been that Wall Street had become one big toxic Ponzi Scheme and repairing a shell game after the money has been stolen is too late. Interestingly we now have the Madoff $50 billion Ponzi Scheme unfolding before our eyes and that's considered illegal, yet what these grand old institutions of Wall Street were doing was considered legal.

Yes, the TARP did eventually punk us, (not because it was supposed to get banks to lend, it was to buy toxic debt), because the TARP is being used far beyond buying the toxic debts mainly because the idiots of high finance don't know what to do to save themselves.

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» RE: toxic waste, not loans Posted by: JSquercia
Congress doesn't listen to average Americans
Posted by: nfamous on Dec 18, 2008 8:31 AM   
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This article assumes that Congress will do the right thing when pressured. No they won't. They will take a page from Bush II and just ignore us because they are in power and can do what they want as long as they control the military. I'm tired of these articles with these pointless strategies that do nothing except waste people's time. We need a revolution and if rich people want to keep it bloodless then they better start giving in the the demands of the common people. Rich people cannot survive without the working class.

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The Sheeple Looked Up
Posted by: gar1948 on Dec 18, 2008 8:41 AM   
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For those who characterize the average American as a "sheeple", I have to admit the last eight years certainly indicate that is true. However, when it came to the so-called bailout, the sheeple looked up.

Most Americans opposed the bailout. There were so many emails to Congress stating that opposition it crashed the email system. I emailed my representatives about it and I didn't receive an answer for over a month AFTER the vote had actually taken place.

And, basically what MY representatives said in their replies were that while they understood my reluctance to hand over the keys to the treasury to a bunch of thieves, they knew what was best for the country therefor they had to vote their conscience.

So, in this case, the American people are not to blame. Most people did oppose the bailout. The responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of those in Congress that "voted their conscience."

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» opposed? Posted by: jon B
» bunch of fluff Posted by: jon B
Take the power back...
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Dec 18, 2008 9:23 AM   
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They say don't complain about how something is without having a better solution. So here's mine.

Keep Congress and the Senate intact BUT instead of them letting them have the final vote on what does and doesn't pass, all they do is prepare and proofread, if you will, all current legislation. It will be a lot more complicated than that, but that's how I'd start.

THEN, once bills have been written, they are put to a popular vote. Let the masses decide what happens with the mass's money. It's quite obvious that any other way leaves serious questions and suspicions that we should not have with our government.

The way things are now, we should all be ashamed that we haven't asserted our right to bear arms and overthrown our current government. Because right now, in the here and now, is exactly why Jefferson et al created that right, only we are sitting on our hands about it thinking it's going to straighten itself out, even worse that the people that have always screwed us are going to do some about-face and decide to stop screwing us. We're bleeding profusely from an artery and waiting for the people that stabbed us to stitch it up....not gonna happen people.

So anyway, they present their ideas for bills to America, America gets to vote it up or down. America gets to decide where our money goes and when, and to who. This applies well to issues unrelated to finances...think war.

If it is truly the will of America to help another country out or to save one of our own failing businesses, we are more than capable of voting to do so rather than pawning off the responsibility on people that quite clearly do not have our national interests in mind no matter how many times they repeat the words freedom and patriotism. We cannot afford to continue being governed by our inferiors and those that seek nothing more than to line their pockets.

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» appreciate the sentiments Posted by: Elmowilcox
And??
Posted by: elmojo on Dec 18, 2008 9:46 AM   
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"It is startling that many of (Federal Reserve) Chairman (Ben) Bernanke and (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson's remarks are not supported or are flatly contradicted by the data provided by the very organizations they lead," said the report."

In politics, absurdity is not a handicap. -Napoleon Bonaparte

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Half voted for Bailout Man, BO, and half voted for bailout man, JM- Americans screwed themselves
Posted by: logansafi on Dec 18, 2008 10:04 AM   
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Let's see now, we have two corporate parties supported by 95+% of the 'voters' and they are bailing out the corporate rich and not the general American public? Of course the American people got screwed here, but they voted for it did they not? How many Democratic Party liberal voters are going along with this scam? Well almost all of them.

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» actually... Posted by: Elmowilcox
Reminds me of...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Dec 18, 2008 10:25 AM   
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a bumper sticker from four years ago. It reads:

BUSH/CHENEY--FOUR MORE YEARS!
(It takes EIGHT years to destroy America)

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slavenation
Posted by: cbishopp on Dec 18, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I am a slave too.
I wrote my Senator, I wrote my Congressman, I bored all my friends with my speeches and concerns but I was ignored. I am certainly not smarter than anyone else and a lot of other people called and wrote their representatives and were ignored as well.
We are not in charge. The executive and judicial branches are lost, the Senate is completely controlled and the only dissenters are in the House.
The near solution to hunger, poverty, the health care system, a better education system, and mass warfare lies in the reorganization of our financial system in order to abolish usurious practices.
Remove the ability for banks to profit at such obscene rates.
Remove all interest from the printing and circulation of government backed currency.
Eliminate complex financial derivitives which have no oversight.
Allow secure loaning of money from government banks whose interest earned is spent back into the community.
Establish more credit unions.
Take back control of our money, take back the government.

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So their pants are on fire...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 18, 2008 11:44 AM   
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Big surprise.

So why did the Democrats in Congress, including Obama, refuse to even hold hearings to find out the facts, as hundreds of economists begged them to do?

And how could they write 200 pages of bill without providing any real protection for the taxpayers?

Sirota's implicit explanation is that they're serving their big corporate funders. I think that's a bit narrow: they're plainly in bed with the Bushies on this one. Remember, the Dems took the lead on the Bailout; they made it their own. So blaming it on Paulson, granted that he's a crook, doesn't cut it. We knew that, the Democrats knew it, too.

Punk'd by the Democrats.

Big surprise.

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atruedemocrat
Posted by: atruedemocrat on Dec 18, 2008 11:59 AM   
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Bernaci and Paulson wanted the 'bailout' money so the big banks could cover their shortges which resulted from investing in Mr. Madov's Ponzi Scheme

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As long as the private bankers in the Federal Reserve control U.S. currency the corruption
Posted by: LeftWright on Dec 18, 2008 12:03 PM   
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will continue unabated.

Real change will only come after the U.S. Congress takes back the constitutional authority to print our money and regulate the money supply.

Right now, it's all just a big Ponzi scam.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward

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Virtually Every Country In The World Is Up To It's Neck in Debt - So Who is It Owed To?
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 18, 2008 2:08 PM   
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Even the hardest of the hardest -

From UK Telegraph

Switzerland may have to print money to stave off deflation
The Swiss National Bank has cut interest rates to 0.5pc and opened the door for emergency stimulus, becoming the first country in Europe to flirt with zero policy rates


The theory that 99.9% of the World's population owe an extremely small group of exceedingly rich private individuals all this money doesn't make a great deal of logical sense.

For example, when the shit really hit the fan, US & UK Governments suddenly found absolutely enormous amounts of money in an attempt to bail out - virtually all the banks who had apparently blown themselves up with their own weapons of financial mass destruction. I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone actually lent the US & UK Governments these enormous sums. Surely it was just numbers typed into a computer screen at the Fed and the BoE.

It was the equivalent of just starting off the printing presses - and magicing money out of free air.

If it was just one or two Countries doing this - then you would expect there to be hyper-inflation in those countries - and that their currencies would become worthless compared to the rest of the World.

But if virtually every country in the world is doing or will be forced to do the same thing for the same reasons - then the exchange rates should stabilise. Whilst hyper-inflation might still result - across the world - it shouldn't really matter. You might have to pay £100 for a loaf of bread instead of £1 - but everything else - wages, interest rates etc would also have to go up by the same amount. The equivalent would also happen throughout the world - and when things became stable - you could merely re-issue the currency exchanging old £100 notes for new £1 notes - etc...

Where people seem to be making fundamental mistakes is in trying to analyse their own national economy - as if it was a conventional business.

But national economies - aren't like conventional businesses because they can't print their own money, and in reality most "globalised" countries are not "really" in competetion with one another.

It's all far more complex than it first appears.

Whilst I can accept the notion that most elected governments are more in control by the corporate elites that financed their power (rather than serving their electorate) - its these very elites who seem to be actively destroying both themselves and us sheep who eat their shit.

If its all just a big planned cull to impoverish and starve us sheep to death - shouldn't we ask exactly who the Farmer is in Control?

Maybe he doesn't actually exist and all we've got in control is a bunch of idiots who have just committed financial suicide.

Time to start again and go back to work.

Exactly how did Hitler do it? Germany was complete bust - with massive hyper-inflation when he took over. A few years later Germany was rebuilt and taking on the rest of the World. I'm no Hitler fan - but that was a staggering achievement.

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"Ask not what your country...
Posted by: Cathyc on Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM   
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... can do for you: ask what you can do for your country". JFK

Isn't that like asking an abandoned/neglected child to love his/her biological mother and/or father.

Why be "patriotic" towards one's mother country (the land of one's birth) when that same environment is hostile towards your well-being?

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OBAMA IS IN ON THE SCAM, IN BED WITH BIG BANKERS
Posted by: FREE SPEECH on Dec 18, 2008 4:39 PM   
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So Obama proposes to spend around 850 billion OVER TWO YEARS to help out around tens if not hundreds of millions of increasingly destitute Americans...

...meanwhile he and so many other politicians voted to freely give trillions away to a few thousand already hyperwealthy bankers who got us in to this crisis in only the past few months time.

Something smells very rotten here.

For instance, did you know that Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, was the top Congressional recipient of Wall Street cash ("donations") during the 2008 election season: "Emanuel was the top House recipient in the 2008 election cycle of contributions from hedge funds, private equity firms and the larger securities/investment industry."

Change you can believe in!

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Rotten to the core
Posted by: willymack on Dec 18, 2008 4:56 PM   
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It seems nearly everyone in both branches of the Legislative branch has been bought off by neocons. IF-and that's a big IF-Obama is the real deal, he has a very steep mountain to climb. That mountain has a lot of ice (or is it bat guano) on it, and it'll be excruciatingly difficult to climb without the help of our people in the form of letters to Congress, the Senate, and newspapers everywhere.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Dec 18, 2008 8:33 PM   
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What we have witnessed since Sept 08 was one thousand 9/11s. Osama and his gang could not have done a fraction of damage to America what a few hundred white men in suits have just done to us.No fires or smoke , no dead bodies no collapsing buildings. All the wreckage was in numbers and intangible assets and wealth siphoned off from the Treasury and subsequently the American Taxpayer. The greatest heist in history.All the rats jumping ship in the last days of the blind Bush administration. One last heist.Make no mistake we would be better off being run by the mafia. Then we could have gun battles stand up for ourselves and maybe win back our money and territories.But this way we go like lambs to slaughter. When will we stand up and resist? What will it take?

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» RE: BA Posted by: dockboy
"Did America Get Punk'd on the Bailout?"
Posted by: pelican beak on Dec 18, 2008 10:24 PM   
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You betcha.

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"Forget abot it...it's only $$$$
Posted by: floridahank on Dec 19, 2008 4:45 PM   
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Tis the season to be jolly...Uncle Sam
is Santa this year...everybody gets all their
wishes.

How about this Christmas present for the
DC gang?

Members of Congress will return to Washington after Christmas with a lavish $4,700 stocking stuffer in their paychecks. It's the automatic salary increase that kicks off at the start of 2009. Surely those of us who are paying for it would agree-the raises are hardly performance-based! When Congress adjourned this month, it did so with a drab 20% approval rating.

Forget about doing a good job...just show up
and you'll get a bonus or a raise...isn't
America great!

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Stormfront suzie smalls is an obvious KKK troll.
Posted by: yellow on Dec 20, 2008 1:27 PM   
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Just read the shit she writes.

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Get Mad, Get out
Posted by: wallisp on Dec 21, 2008 4:57 AM   
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If everyone, and I mean everyone, called their banks and cancelled their credit cards, they would start to listen to the hurting consumer. We all have to fight back to get attention. If millions wore a tee shirt that says,: Fight Terrorism, Cancel Your Credit Cards", someone would take notice. All the letters I have read evrywhere on the net, person conversations, TV, newspapers, are all correct about one thing. We all all being punk'n, ripped off, and being used for corporate loan sharking. Get mad, fight back, Cancelled all your credit cards, and tell them no, I won't pay credit cards over 10% interest.
Make this problem, there problem. Remember what Thomas Jefferson wrote 250 years ago, Revolution is good for government.

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