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Stimulus Is for Suckers: We Need a Recovery Plan that Will Last for Years

By James Galbraith, Mother Jones. Posted December 12, 2008.


All those billions don't add up to much, but here's how Obama can get us on track to a real recovery.
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President Barack Obama (how sweet those words) has already transformed American politics. The GOP is in crack-up. Obama's coattails in Congress give him leverage, and his vast public support gives him power. There is an economic crisis and a demand for action to deal with it. More than at any time since Ronald Reagan in 1981, what the president wants, he will get.

So, what should he ask for? How big and far reaching should changes to the economy be? Nearly everyone in Obama's circle agrees that more public spending and tax cuts are needed: a "stimulus package." The cautious say $150 billion (about 1 percent of GDP), while the bold and the worried say $500 billion (or just more than 3 percent of GDP). Both focus attention on what is needed in 2009 -- as if the economic problem can be solved in a year.

That is almost certainly wrong.

When the free fall began, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chair Ben Bernanke argued that the problem with the economy was frozen credit. Banks were unable to lend, they said, because they could not get the funds. This was not true, as we discovered when Treasury gave the banks the funds, only to realize that banks had no wish to lend them out. Instead they used the money to build capital and on dividends and executive pay. (Goldman Sachs, which received $10 billion as part of the bailout, got good press when it announced its top seven execs would forgo their year-end bonuses. But a government ban on bonuses was likely coming, and by limiting the sacrifice to top managers, the company retains leeway to spend the estimated $6.9 billion set aside for bonuses on slightly lesser employees.)

In any case, banks did not wish to lend, and ordinary Americans, desperately cutting costs, did not wish to borrow, and with their homes underwater many had little collateral to borrow against.

What began as a housing collapse will not go away soon. Empty houses wreck home values for their neighbors. The ratings agencies are discredited, the investment banks are gone, and high finance is in debt deflation. Foreign investors won't soon trust the market for US private debt, even for blue chip corporations, so long as they remain saddled with toxic health care costs. Regulation will have to be rebuilt. In short, the money wells have been poisoned, and it will take time and patient effort to clean them up.

The historical role of a stimulus is to kick things off, to grease the wheels of credit, to get things "moving again." But the effect ends when the stimulus does, when the sugar shock wears off. Compulsive budget balancers who prescribe a "targeted and temporary" policy followed by long-term cuts to entitlements don't understand the patient. This is a chronic illness. Swift action is definitely needed. But we also need recovery policies that will continue for years.

First, we must fix housing. We need, as in the 1930s, a Home Owners' Loan Corporation to restructure failed mortgages on sustainable terms. The basic objective should be to keep people in their homes by all necessary means, except where borrowers committed willful fraud, so as to stop the spread of blight and decay. Government can use its power over banks to make this happen, as it has with IndyMac, the California bank that is now, as a federally owned company, revising unsustainable mortgages. But this is no small endeavor: The FDR-era HOLC operated for almost two decades and at its peak employed 20,000 people.

Second, we must backstop state and local governments with federal funds. Otherwise falling property (and other) tax revenues will implode their budgets, forcing destructive cuts in public services and layoffs for teachers, firefighters, and police. And when these public servants are laid off, guess what? They have trouble paying their mortgages. General revenue sharing -- unrestricted federal grants to states and towns, a program invented by Richard Nixon and killed by Ronald Reagan -- is required. Luckily it can be reintroduced quickly on a large scale.

Third, we should support the incomes of the elderly, whose nest eggs have been hit hard by the stock market collapse. We can't erase those losses case by case (nor should we), but we can sustain the purchasing power of the group. The best way is to increase Social Security benefits. Useful steps would include boosting the formula for widowed spouses, ensuring a minimum benefit for retirees who worked their whole lives in low-wage jobs, and allowing college students to receive survivors' benefits up until the age of 22. But let's go further and raise benefits across the board, which has not been done for a generation. I'd say raise them 30 percent, and let the federal government make the contributions for five years. This would be good for the elderly, who could retire; good for working-age people, who would replace the retiring; and good for the economy, since people who need money spend it when they get it.


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James K. Galbraith teaches at UT-Austin and is the author of The Predator State: How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too.

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The Cart Before The Horse ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 12, 2008 12:11 AM   
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None of this will work if we don't nationalize the banks like FDR did. The banks have frozen up, they don't trust one another and lending is coming to a standstill.

What does thai mean ? Job losses, millions of unnecessary job losses due to the unavailability of reasonable credit or even any credit at all.

We need an FDR Bank Holiday or what is called a Swedish Plan to clean up the banks' balance sheets. Without this measure the whole economy comes to a grinding halt no matter the size of stimulus, even a plan as robust as Galbraith's.

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No food shortage. No shelter shortage. Money flow problem. Fix problem, without recovering problem.
Posted by: aouie01 on Dec 12, 2008 1:32 AM   
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There was a money flow problem that has persisted for decades (actually thousands of years). Recovering to a flawed state is not as good as fixing the money flow problem.

When a country loses its economic dominance, it may not be able to get too many resources from other countries towards benefiting self, but if the country functioned properly, then resources within the country should benefit those in the country.

If people can stop treating "jobs" and "money" as end goals, and instead realize that they are to be utilized towards sharing workloads and rewarding contributions to society, then we can make more progress towards more fairly sharing resources and workloads.

Sincerely,
Aouie

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First things First.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 AM   
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The people who brought us to this state of economic break down now must pay to make it right.

Tax property until there are no more rich, wealthy greedy powerful people.

The American worker must have a place to produce industrial goods.

We must give back into the heavy industries so we can keep the money here in the USA, and not import so many goods.

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» RE: First things First. Posted by: Knot_Rich
Truth is
Posted by: sweetlilwookims on Dec 12, 2008 4:00 AM   
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My bible (King James) tells me that in the end, right before Jesus returns for his people. There will be trebles with perplexities. Now let’s think a minute, isn't that what is happening right now. And if not, how do you propose these perplexities might occur. Just get ready while you still can. I’m serious. Many will taunt you, but only because they are to week to do what you are doing, by following Christ.

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» RE: Nonsense Posted by: solrev
» Get mental health counseling Posted by: Moonray
» Religion is the opposite of Truth !!! Posted by: SevenStarHand
Federal Reserve Bank creates business cycles and depressions
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 AM   
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When will supposedly well-informed journalists wake up to the insidious power of the Federal Reserve Bank as did Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy and Ron Paul to name a few. Maybe most people are asleep about the underlying cause of our financial crises because often anyone who brings this to the surface is killed.
Today's banking crisis is the THIRD trillion dollar plus US-caused financial meltdown in the last twenty years.
Each one of these crises came into being through the same basic mechanism...the fraudulent over-valuing of financial assets by Wall Street - with a "wink and a nod" (and sometimes a lot more) from the White House and Congress. The fraudulently valued assets stimulate the economy, impart the illusion of health and then, inevitably, the fraud goes too far and the whole house of card comes painfully crashing back to earth.
The White House stood in the way of any state prosecuting federal banks and mortgage companies for predatory lending. They actually used a portion of the enabling act creating the US Comptroller of the Currency to preempt the regulation and prosecution of these banks for fraudulent loan activities. This is why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post three weeks before his assassination accusing the White House of preventing any state Attorney General from prosecuting these criminal activities. Of course, the mainstream media did not report the actual reason that this politician’s sexual indiscretions were reported so immediately and excessively.

Go to www.911insidejob.net

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» Panic of 1907 Posted by: brunowe
How will we pay for all this stimulus?
Posted by: Indiosmith on Dec 12, 2008 4:44 AM   
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Everything you suggests involves major increases in the federal deficits, and, therefore, in the national debt. How are we going to pay for it all? Borrow? That will push up interest rates, acting as a brake on the economy. Print? That will produce rampant inflation.

You can't just propose a spending spree without explaining how you are going to pay for it and the consequences of how you do so.

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» sure you can Posted by: sonofloud
» RE: sure you can Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: sure you can Posted by: vivachavez
Finacial Dream Worlds Can't Feed the People
Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 12, 2008 4:47 AM   
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James Galbraith is indulgung in economic fantasy. The only way to "fix" the capitalist system is to cancel all debt and start over on a clean slate. Then everyone will have to grow their own vegetables in their own gardens and trade freely with each other for mutual benefit. Until then, there is going to be a lot of thrashing about trying to resurrect a dead system. Smart people will acquire small parcels of land to grow their own food, so when the money is gone they won't starve.

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» That's very possible Posted by: Last Chance
» Yes, like that sci-fi masterpiece Posted by: Last Chance
Stand aside and watch it SLIDE!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Dec 12, 2008 4:56 AM   
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Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.
Hello, kick in the A-s!
Opt OUT!
SHUT OFF the Indoctrination SET!
Screw you Arnold!
(The Turd-ulator)
You know where you can stick that cigar!

BUSH/CHENEY
The FAUX Media
GM & the Small Three
Mr. Terminator Genes (Mono-saint-co)
My seeds are holier than thou!
&
Emperor Ratschild want you
To buy in again.

Keep the wheel spinning while the Delusion:
Falls apart around you.
Sink or SWIM?
CORPIRATE GREED has ENSLAVED U.S.
DECLARE INDEPENDENCE!

It is a DEAD SYSTEM.
END THE CORPIRATE MONO CULTURE!

Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution.
Rely on your family, friends and neighbors.
Invest in your family's survival.
Become efficient, self reliant and self sufficient!
Shit can the toys and buy some tools.
Grab a handful of Magic Beans, a Golden Goose, a Tent and climb to the top of a Mountain.

GO LOCAL
GO GREEN
GO ORGANIC

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We need the congress and Senate to stop making these idiotic laws
Posted by: kahuna_2bears on Dec 12, 2008 5:09 AM   
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We are in this mess because the Congress and Senate meddled when they should have been patient and left the banking industry alone.

Political correctness is destroying this country.

The banks used to willingly loan money to those who could pay the loan back. However; it is not politivally correct to deny a loan to people who could not pay the money back.

Then the Congress and Senate and forced the banks to loosen the loaning restrictions. Then they went even farther and forced Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac to back these loans.

Another problem is that many people are not financially literate They took the ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) because of lower interest instead of locking in a fixed interest rate that was 1/4 to 1/2 a point higher.

Then when the Federal Reserve started jacking around interest rates to prevent inflation, these ARM rates interest went up, and a family that was barely making ends meet was being squeezed till they got into financial trouble.

Another problem was the 125% loans so people could roll in their credit card bills, this left them upside down in the house meaning they owed more on the house than it was worth.

What needs to be done is three things.

1. teach financial literacy in school instead of the politically correct BS.

2. Angelo who ran Country wide needs to be charged for this swindle. Angelo's friends like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and other congressmen and senators who looked the other way need to be hauled in fromt of hearings and answer why they let Angelo and Countrywide pull this swindle on America.

3. Make it illegal to sell short in the stock market.

People are NOT looking at reality. It is all perception of the economy, and emotion.

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solving unemployment
Posted by: isoptera@mchsi.com on Dec 12, 2008 5:24 AM   
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If a 6 hour day with time and a half for overtime were made mandatory, the unemployment would be solved over night. This country is enormously productive. 6 hours of work would provide all the comforts and necessities that we need for sure. There is nothing magic about 8 hours. The main thing is for everyone to have a job.
Even much more time would be made available by placing a tax on any food that has known poisons added such as aluminum,sulfite, aspartame, fluoride, and etc. or essential nutrients subtracted. I am certain this would cause an improvement in our country’s health when processors corrected the situation or, if not, when less of it was purchased. If a tax were placed on food that has had essential nutrients removed the improvement in health would be dramatic. A fringe benefit would be to enable the heavy Medicare tax to be reduced or eliminated.
We talk endlessly about better health insurance. Insurance is a marvelous invention, but there is no excellent substitute for not getting sick in the first place. In any case, if everyone is healthy, the insurance premiums will go away down as a side effect no matter how they are instituted. With the extra money we could then start to pay down that miserable national debt and with the extra time, enjoy ourselves.

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» RE: solving unemployment Posted by: mtnprivy
» RE: solving unemployment Posted by: Sushi
The term "economic stimulus" is a Raygun scam !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 12, 2008 6:28 AM   
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And I cannot fucking believe the Dems are repeating it again and again. Drop the fucking stimulus phoney packages and shut up and clean up the debts already !

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Pumping money into a broken system is not the answer
Posted by: sonofloud on Dec 12, 2008 6:33 AM   
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According to the Labor Department, the number of unemployed workers rose by 251,000 in November. But the number of people who were outside of the labor force — that is, neither working nor looking for work — rose by much more: 637,000. These people aren’t counted as unemployed in the government’s statistics, because they are not looking for work. Many of them, presumably, have stopped looking for work because they didn’t think they could find a good job.

If you take a broader measure — one that tries to account for them — you see a darker picture of the labor market. The share of all men ages 16 and over who are working is now at its lowest level since the government began keeping statistics in the 1940s. The share of women with jobs has fallen almost two percentage points from the peak it reached in 2000; at no other point in the past 50 years has the share of employed women has fallen so much from its peak.

Even among those who still have jobs — who, of course, make up a huge majority of the population — the news wasn’t good. The number of people working a part-time job because they couldn’t find a full-time job rose by 621,000 last month. These people count as employed, but obviously many of them are struggling.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com

PS it wasn't Obama's coattails that gave congress back to the democrats it was Bush's incompetence.

PPS as a gay man I will no longer vote for the democrats due to Obama's homophobia and religious fanaticism.

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RE: good jobs
Posted by: Sushi on Dec 12, 2008 9:51 AM   
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As proved in the 90's, people with good jobs spent good money which created more jobs. (You don't think the 'nail technician" and
"car detailing specialist" industries mushroomed for no reason?) People expected and got raises on a regular basis. People bought homes, improved them, had new cars and COULD PAY THEIR CREDIT CARDS!

Along came out-sourcing, down-sizing and lay-offs, who has money for the basics, let alone frivolities like getting a massage or new rugs for the kitchen.

You don't build a building from the top down, you build it from the ground up. America needs not wage-slaves, we need employment. Only then will you see the economy take off again.

Sushi
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."

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» RE: good jobs Posted by: Knot_Rich
Debt madness, followed by common sense solutions
Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 12, 2008 7:12 AM   
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When debt is extended by rampant speculation beyond anyone's ability to repay, confidence vanishes and millions scramble to pick up the scraps of exploded wealth. It's the classic boom and bust of capitalism multiplied by modern run-away technology. Nothing can ever fix it, so if the people want a more permanent economic system they will have to do it themsleves by acquiring small parcels of land to grow their own food for their own families, invite close friends to help them, and thus create self-reliant communities that are free to trade with each other for mutual benefit. Such communities have no need of big corporations or big government.

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Stop Taxing Social Security Benefits & Unemployment
Posted by: JSquercia on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 AM   
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One thing that is NEVER Discussed is stopping the taxing of Social Security Benefits . Ronald Reagan instituted a tax on so called upper income Social Security Recipients the income level was set at 40,000 for married couples . The amount was never indexed for inflation and includes as part of the income 50% of your Benefit . The Friend of the working man ALSO instituted the FIRST EVER Tax on Unemployment Benefits . Nothing these guys hate more than a working man . No problem cutting Capital Gains for the Investor class but can't give the average working man a break . Yes lose a thousand dollar a week job ,get 400 per week Unemployment and oh buy the way your Cobra health Insurance will cost you $400 or more per month . Nothing like kicking a man while he's DOWN .
Why is it no progressive EVER talks about this Stuff . I know it makes my blood BOIL .

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Fear..........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Dec 12, 2008 7:39 AM   
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Good article, but part of the problem is that many people are afraid, and with good reasons. We see the bankers bailed out with "our" money even as people are being evicted from their homes. We see the jobless numbers continue to climb, even as many of these companies are off-shoring jobs and continuing to receive their tax breaks!

Fear has taken hold, as a nation we watch an incompetent lame-duck President continue to spin why money must be given with no strings, and no explanations! In the meantime people are hunkering down trying to brace themselves for tougher times! Your suggestions regarding spending now are for a long term fix - as a nation many have bought into the "quick fix" - not realizing that money wisely invested into the national economy thru long term infrastructure and greening projects is not only a good thing, but one of the best that we can do to help ourselves out of this debacle! But, the wait may be longer than many are comfortable with!

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????
Posted by: dsmidiman on Dec 12, 2008 8:14 AM   
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The reason we are in this financial crisis is because we don't have enough consumers with enough money to pay for what they already have purchased (mortgage loans, car loans, credit cards etc.) much less purchase anything new. Defaulting on exisitng loans is what is crippling the credit industry. By far the largest number of consumers do not have any money to buy the goods and services produced by businesses large and small. This causes business to lay off existing employees creating even fewer consumers with spending money and the cycle of destruction continues. This is what is crippling our economy.
No demand, no need for goods and services,
No need for goods and services no need for employees who produce those goods and services,
No need for employees no consumers getting money to spend on goods and services,
No consumers with money to purchase goods and services no demand.
And the cycle of destruction continues.

The "Trickle Down" solution does not provide the immediate or long term solutions needed to recover our economy and put it in a postition for continued growth. Simple math alone shows us (as is evident looking at the "Bang for Your Buck" chart shown at the end of this article) that:
Every dollar used to keep the current corporate tax cuts in place will produce just .30 for the economy and every dollar used for payroll tax holidays will produce $1.29 for the economy.
700 billion X .30 = 210 billion,
700 billion X 1.29 = 903 billion.
There is 693 billion more produced for the economy by investing 700 billion for a payroll tax holiday than there is by investing 700 billion to keep the current corporate tax cuts. That's just one example, the chart used in this article speaks volumes.

Simply investing money into keeping failing businesses afloat may sustain the status quo until that investment money (bail out) runs out but it does nothing to address the real issue for long term growth. Which is getting money into the hands of the majority of consumers. This would reverse the "cycle" mentioned above that is destroying our economy. It would "bail out" or save our economy by creating consumers with money that would purchase goods and services which would create demand that would create jobs that would create even more consumers with money to spend and the cycle continues to provide the means to sustain and grow our economy.

This does not even address the issues of corruption and misuse that has been done so far with the "bail out" money we have thrown at some businesses already. Rediculously high CEO compensation packages, extravagant expenditures for corporate perks and events, using that bail out money to move jobs to other countries or otherwise hurt the very people who are funding the bail out (the consumer)

The time is long over due in this country for our govt. to truly work for the common good and well being of all the citizens of this country and break away from the idea that if we keep the top 5% of our population stupid wealthy why the other 95% of the population (consumers) struggle and eventually fail that somehow all it will work out. It doesn't and it hasn't. Just look at where we are today??

"Trickle Up" is what we need in this country to recover and sustain a healthy economic environment. Investing the majority of the resources we have into helping 95% of consumers get back on track seems so much smarter than investing the majority of resources we have available into helping 5% of consumers sustain or aquire even more. It's just simple math. Ironically, putting 95% of consumers back on track would ultimately not only help the top 5% keep what they have but make even more..

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» RE: ???? Posted by: Last Chance
ABOUT THE ECONOMICE STIMULUS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 12, 2008 8:44 AM   
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We give people a few hundred dollars to spend. And with the exception of food, everything they buy is made in China. We should be buying American made merchandise to keep the money flowing within our own economy. To continue to take money from our own till and send it directly to another country is crazy. It's like having a train that only makes a trip in one direction and comes back empty. Not to mention the retail people who are making 8 bucks an hour. That's not a living. We should be re-opening our own factories and mills and stop trying to find an alternative to plain old common sense. Fair trade is one thing but we are trading away our basic needs in the interest of profits. If people were able to make a decent living their purchasing power would generate plenty of profits. And we would all benefit. Fact is we never 'traded' anything, we gave it all away. Thanks, ANNA

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No Stimuls, No Growth
Posted by: pdxjoe on Dec 12, 2008 8:46 AM   
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What we need is an economy that doesn't need to be stimulated, doesn't need to grow and grow, in order to function at all. We shouldn't have to consume, consume, consume - spend, spend, spend or borrow, borrow, borrow- in order to have a system that allows us to consume at all.

The unsurpassable limit of Capitalism - not money, technology or urban living, but private ownership of property, wage-labour and profits - is that it requires us to need more than we need in order to meet our needs at all.

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» ROFLOL ! Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: ROFLOL ! Posted by: pdxjoe
Bernie Madoff has the answer
Posted by: weathered on Dec 12, 2008 8:56 AM   
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just steal.

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Borrow?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Dec 12, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Is this the standard "liberal line" -- borrow and spend?

I thought that borrow and spend was the conservative line - at least it seems to be the Bush line. The traditional accusation against liberals has been that they are TAX and SPEND.

As a confirmed liberal, let me say that I do not believe in government borrowing except in exceptional circumstances (like the economic mess we are in today). In good times (such as those Bush inherited) we should tax enough to pay as we go and maybe even to pay down debt and invest for a rainy day.

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» Low wages = no market. Posted by: Last Chance
Spend?
Posted by: pdxjoe on Dec 12, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Is this the standard "liberal line" -- borrow and spend?

Americans from across the political spectrum have no problem borrowing and spending. This, of course, is the position they've been in for DECADES as wages have remained stagnant.

Make no mistake, that's not regarding State spending, though we shouldn't pretend that taxes aren't a form of public borrowing. The conservative lie, which functions as an assumption in their accusations of "borrow and spend," is that the State isn't spending The People's money on The People.

Perhaps we should say it is true that The People's money isn't spent on The People when it is used to prop up an economic system that is fundamentally not about the people. This is done when we try to stimulate the economy by throwing money at big or small business or consumers. This and military spending are the only legitimate uses of taxes in the conservative framework, except for the dyed-in-the-wool free-market ideologues (like Hayek, but not so much Friedman) who believe in the fundamental irrationality of the Market.

However, it's not a way of thinking that breaks down along conservative or liberal lines. Conservatives and Liberals both basically believe in the Market, though they differ on how the State should intervene in its functioning. Of course, we hear that conservatives believe in small government and less State-intervention but, except for certain ideologues who truly base their worldview around this as a literal truth, it is a lie that conceals merely a different kind of State intervention.

Borrowing and spending is not a negative phrase that we should euphemize by insisting that it's really "taxing and spending." Either way of thinking still does not go far enough though, because it implies a fundamental distance between The People and Their government. Were The People's government truly Theirs, then we what is called borrowing/taxing and spending would simply be understood as the The People spending its social wealth.

Of course, to spend The People's social wealth on anything beside The People (like an economy that exists for its own sake) would just re-introduce that schism the leads to The People's subordination to a ruling-class. That means our ultimate political aims, if they are truly progressive, shouldn't rest within a framework of spending at all, whether that's on The People or otherwise. That's not to say our penultimate aims don't include The People's spending exclusively on The People (and Their environment), but that this isn't the last stop on the path to freedom.

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Treading water
Posted by: willymack on Dec 12, 2008 10:17 AM   
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Our thinking has ossified around a monetary and economic system that people who should've known better let run into the ditch it's in now. Those people who should've known better should've realized that it was UNSUSTAINABLE and that the crash was merely a matter of time. So, what solution(s) are in the offing? Handouts to those who are criminals in everything but name in the hope that everything will correct itself without criminal prosecution of the crooks, or any real change in the status quo. It's time to do something different, don't you think? Something more egalitarian, humane, and thoughtful. Does money really need to exist? Do we really have to admire those who are essentially cannibals who prey upon their fellow creatures? Do we really need to allow others to do our thinking for us? We're at a point now which will determine whether we move forward in a new direction, or slide down the chute to that place occupied by failed and vanished "civilizations".

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» RE: Treading water Posted by: Last Chance
Why don't we. . .
Posted by: sashi on Dec 12, 2008 10:45 AM   
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Why don't we "bail" out the banks by requiring them to buy back the mortgages at the price they are worth and keep them on their books?

This would require them to re-work the bad mortgages in order to avoid losing money when they foreclose.

In addition, this "bailout" would have to be paid back with interest to the treasury.

Another thing which won't be popular: many of the people who got bad mortgages can't and couldn't afford to own a home. These people will be foreclosed upon. This is not elitist. I, myself will never own a home. However, I have the privilege to have that knowledge.

What should be done for these people? Make their forclosures as gentle as possible on these people. Also, don't require them to go through bankruptcy to get rid of the house. They made a large mistake, which was easy to take advantage of and will then screw them over for at least a decade, we cannot allow this to happen.

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» Because.... Posted by: Last Chance
borrowing your way to wealth!!
Posted by: Elijah on Dec 12, 2008 1:22 PM   
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YOU ARE WRONG!!!...problems created by to much debt cannot be solved by more debt!!!...one day the world will dump the worthless dollars that YOU wannt to print..stupid!!!..only producing and making things makes wealth and money....read some economic books and not ones by Gailbraith...theives all!!

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Keynes Was Right, But It Takes Real Leaders
Posted by: gradioc on Dec 12, 2008 3:46 PM   
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As others have said above, and as John Maynard Keynes wrote, it makes sense for the national government to borrow and spend during hard times. That part is easy. What takes courage and real leadership is telling the people it's time to pay it back. For all the bad deregulation moves Bill Clinton allowed on his watch (and they are real and numerous), when he left office we had a well-functioing government that was running a slight surplus that could have been used to retire more debt as it matured. That's where we should have been. The Bushies never saw a time when they could actually pay for what they wanted to spend. They were like the monkeys with a leaky roof; can't fix it when it's raining and no need to fix it when the sun is shining. We need to spend money now, but we must, absolutely MUST, have a leader who will pay it back when it comes time. I think Obama is that kind of leader; that's why I suported him. I sure as hell hope I was right.

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Is our Whole Philosophy About the Economy Wrong?
Posted by: Shankari46 on Dec 12, 2008 6:54 PM   
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The problem is they want people to spend money when they have no job, and somehow concentrating all the wealth and property into the hands of a few billionaires is good for everyone. How is that? Has anyone thought that housing is a right? Do people have a right to have a home? Then why do we have banks? I wrote about our economic philosophy in my blog.

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What, no inventors?
Posted by: PaulK on Dec 12, 2008 8:02 PM   
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research and reconstruction on a grand scale: support for universities, for national labs, for federal and state planning agencies, a new Department of Energy and Climate. It's the project around which the economy of the next generation must be designed. It's the key to future employment and future growth -- and to our physical survival.

This list leaves out the independent small inventor. Much of what America needs may already be invented. Do you want the effort to move quickly to success or do you want to see nothing but lots of empty corporate promises year after year, along with the usual bloated research budgets?

The same goes for a cure for cancer. Cigarettes cause cancer. Pesticides cause it. Stop the corporate carcinogens and win.

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We need "out of the box" solutions
Posted by: metamind on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 PM   
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The problem is rooted in "how money works" to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the few. It's about debt and usury as mechanisms of sustaining a "privileged elite."
We never talk about this! The money system is rigged for the rich. They get a piece of all wealth in society for DOING NOTHING OF VALUE!

This is why our politicians keep preaching the gospel of a "growing economy" and "sustainable growth" ( an oxymoron. )

We need to grow the economy so that people don't notice that a slice of all wealth is being given to people who DIDN'T EARN IT and DON'T DESERVE IT. We are worshipping money and the wealthy are our idols.

It's all wrong. We need "out of the box" solutions which are not oriented towards the money system but are oriented towards FREEDOM FROM the money system.

For example, money can be created to generate jobs, products and services to countries which need things. This money doesn't need to be borrowed from anyone .... it can be "popped" into existence based on the NECESSITY of helping people in other countries. In exchange those countries will provide things for US.

For example, there are many countries which could GROW PLANTS which produce ethanol or ALGAE which produces oil. Provide them with the infrastructure and education to do this.
Over the next 20 years they will provide us with a percentage of their "products" for free.

Another example: States can have their own currencies without going into debt. See the Vermont Freedom Currency proposal at
http://stevemoyer.us/vfc for an example proposal.

Think "outside the box." We need freedom from a single monetary system rather than freedom THROUGH a single system.

Steve Moyer
http://stevemoyer.us

P.S. Imagine if you could transfer money between bank accounts instantly for a small fee. That would accelerate the economy and de-necessitate the banks as sources of loans. We can loan money from each other and we do all the time. Build the infrastructure for doing so!

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Healthcare reform
Posted by: 2cynical on Dec 13, 2008 2:52 AM   
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Healthcare reform,in the form of an expansion of Medicare to cover all American citizens,would stimulate investment by employers and governments who are being eaten alive by the exploding costs of providing insurance for their employees,and economic activity would increase when these billions of dollars are freed up for use in more long-term innovations for the 21st century economy. Medicare for Everybody !!

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College education is a great investment.
Posted by: Leon L on Jan 7, 2009 11:57 PM   
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Well talking about politics, there are lots of changes they always propose. But, nothing is happening with their proposals. They are making things for personal reason. Now, many suffered a lot in terms of financial security. More people are on the lookout for extra money these days, and the group of people who could always use a little more is perhaps the most maligned members of American society – college students. A college education is a great investment, but the numbers show that a private college degree sees a lower return than others, and the ultra prestigious Ivy League schools see a smaller percentage of return than most community colleges. SmartMoney ran the numbers, and it turns out that the cost of education and extra money vs. lifetime earnings is a smaller ratio for private schools versus state ones. Here are the results of the SmartMoney study and more ideas on how to save extra money on college.

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Economic Stimulus Package
Posted by: Arturo_Q on Jan 10, 2009 2:12 AM   
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When Obama chosen as the President of United States, people knew that change would come in America. And now, some of you welcome the changes that would happen in the country most especially if it is for the good of the entire citizen in the country. Barack Obama is hatching a plan to get you extra cash on payday so you won't need a payday loan. He is proposing a tax cut and what he calls the Make Work Pay Credit. It’s a different strategy for stimulating the economy. So far all the efforts that have been made by the current administration to get the economy back on track seem to be hurting instead of helping and the need for a payday loan with many people has increased. It’s impossible to tell the future; maybe the steps that have already been taken will help straighten things out in the long run. But the economy has been growing steadily worse since the mortgage crisis and the credit crunch hit. Obama is hoping that bigger checks on payday will help restore consumer confidence so you won't need to take out a payday loan.

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