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A Bad Auto Bailout Is Cheaper Than Any Bank Bailout

By Nomi Prins, AlterNet. Posted December 9, 2008.


Whether or not bailing out the Big Three makes financial sense (which it doesn't), it's still a fraction of the cost of bailing out Wall Street.
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Last week, as the clock was ticking on their bleeding books, it looked doubtful that the Senate would vote for the Detroit Three execs’ $34 billion (up from $25 billion two weeks ago) bailout request, or at least not without heavy strings attached. But, after November’s abysmal, 34-year high for monthly job losses' unemployment report on Friday, House Leader, Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., threw an auto Hail Mary: a $15 billon bridge loan, extracted from a $25 billion fuel-efficient car program, she had previously vowed not to touch.

Not that this will last until March, as she indicated, but that aside, the remaining sticking point appears to be how an oversight committee, or "car czar" would be implemented. Details are being debated, but, given the scant oversight over the bank bailout process, and the fact that taxpayers are already racking up losses on bank stock purchases, breath-holding isn’t recommended.

Whether or not any of this makes financial sense (which it doesn't), it's still a fraction of the bank bailout cost. On the one hand, it does seem ridiculous that the government won't dole out the originally requested $34 billion for the auto industry, or even extract it from the bank bailout money, yet can part with 10 times that in capital injections to buy stock (which has lost money) in financial firms, not to mention the $3 trillion worth of subprime and other mortgage-related assets on the Fed's books in return for cash loans, and the $4 trillion or so of various direct market cash injections and guarantees.

Really, as long as the Fed's been acting as substitute leverage for the finance industry through its rather generous lending policy, you'd think it would be okay taking on a bunch of cars as collateral – actual vehicles would be worth more than structured financial ones, like collateralized debt obligations, and a whole lot easier to evaluate.

Indeed, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., thought that the automakers made a better case for federal help than the financial industry did. Of course Wall Street had the Treasury secretary and Federal Reserve chairman batting for them, whereas the automakers were on their own. Doesn't make them better, just less protected.

Still, they did learn something from their financial brethren. In arguing that it's the general economy, not their decisions, that put them on the financial edge, they are taking a page out of the bank-bailout playbook. The general economy worked well as an excuse for AIG, Citigroup, JPM Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and other banks.

The auto industry is asking for a lifeline, which is less than the cost of bailing out AIG. And no one from AIG had to face the Senate Banking Committee to get its $152 billion rescue package. Unfortunately for the execs, the auto industry's business is far more transparent than Wall Street's. The likelihood that $34 billion won't do squat to turn them around is clearer. With Wall Street, the lack of clarity helped bag the money.

Rather than do anything about the fact that it didn't ask all the right questions about Wall Street's operating practices in determining the TARP (Troubled Assets Relief Program), the committee is transferring that caution to the auto industry.


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Nomi Prins is a senior fellow at the public policy center Demos and author of Other People's Money and Jacked: How "Conservatives" are Picking Your Pocket (Whether You Voted for Them or Not)

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Congressional Motors
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 AM   
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I miss America when we was a capitalist society.
-I don't wanna hear a (bleeping) word about gas guzzlers. All the auto makers make them!
-I don't wanna hear a (bleeping) word about the domestics build cars Americans don't wanna buy!
looks like someone needs to look into the marketing department.
Really, really, really...
What is your favorite TV talking head driving or the New York Times Staff or your favorite Congressman (I won't say senator becuase they can afford drivers, all of them)?
Green, green, green
I got bad news, Liberals
the SUV will still be made, even if Congress gets there grubby hands on the Domestics that will just drive sales over to Toyota and Honda and to make matter worse, personally I rather drive an old school SUV w/o all the bells and whistles, just get me up the (bleeping) mountain so I can get away from the current days craziness so I can enjoy my trans fat cheesecake and harmony with nature.
I wonder how many of you have even step into a Chevy dealer in the past 10 years? The MSN can't wait to bring the light the next recall about the am/fm nob breaking of the 02-04 Chevy Cavalier however you would skip over the quality issues that comes up with the other auto makes. Yes the domestics came back from the dark days however now with good care you can get 100,000 plus out of any car.
This is another thing, I'm sick of being forced to spend spend spend. I'm happy with my 2006, I'm happy with my laptop, I'm even happy with my 4 year old pair of jeans.
Either way, this is a very bad idea with these bailouts for a industry that's is basically vegetable comatose however The Democrats gotta pay the piper (the UAW)
-the Little guy gets boned again

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I'm waiting...
Posted by: adp3d on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 AM   
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...for my own personal "aha" moment when I understand why Congress is so eager to put up to three million more people out of work. I'm no fan of the D-3 or the UAW by any stretch. Face it folks, they made a lot of money making and selling the cars and trucks Americans wanted. It's too bad for them(and the rest of us) that oil prices spiked. As for the argument about how the Japanese make vehicles for less money, well they certainly don't sell for less and they are currently not selling any better than Detroit.

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» RE: I'm waiting... Posted by: Shehova
» RE: I'm waiting... Posted by: Diecash1
Peace
Posted by: Peace on Dec 9, 2008 2:53 AM   
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Why not give the workers most of the money and pay them to be retrained so they can be employed to produce a product for which there is a demand?
Why give a company money to produce more of a product which they cannot sell?

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» Retraining is pointless..... Posted by: Diecash1
bottom line... it's all local...
Posted by: ellie on Dec 9, 2008 5:13 AM   
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when you have an economy that is 2/3 based on consumer spending and for whatever reason, folks aren't spending, of course the big ticket items are going to sit... so far between the bank bailouts and now the 3 idiots, people are realizing that the buck stops in their wallet... no matter that gas is the cheapest then it has been in 4 years, folks around here got used to not burning through a tank in a day...

the guy around here that is a genius at car engine rebuilding is so overloaded with work he can't take on any more work until after the first of the year...

the local farmers market is packed every weekend even when it's cold out...

the second hand stores and consignment shops are selling out of inventory quickly...

it's nearly impossible to find one of those damned tv converter boxes and when the local stations did a test a few weeks ago, almost 40% of the viewers are receiving an analog signal with rabbit ears...

as a side note, rock salt for roads has gone from $40.00 per ton last year to $160.00 a ton this year... (what the hell were the rock salt people doing all summer???) who wants a brand new car that some idiot is going to slide into because there is little road treatment going on around here unless it's enough snow to get out the plows???

looks like people are adjusting to not spending like crazy on credit cards too... finally!!! people are waking up to there is a bottom to the proverbial $$ well and are just not spending where the powers that be want us to spend...

back to coffee...

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It just gets worse with every bailout
Posted by: sicntired on Dec 9, 2008 5:52 AM   
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The banking bailout was beyond a doubt the greatest travesty ever perpetrated on the American people.Any further tax dollars tossed into the black hole is just more money that will never be seen again and do nothing to prop up failed and outmoded factories working under out dated labor contracts that are dragging them down.The CEO's should go but the labor deals should have to be renegotiated as a must before any bailout.Companies facing bankruptcy cannot pay the kind of money the unions refuse to negotiate.Everyone has to cinch their belts here.Having a job is better than a big contract with a failed company.

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$$$
Posted by: ellie on Dec 9, 2008 6:17 AM   
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actually, the UAW only gets 5% of the cost of a car... small businesses run around 30% payroll...

the problem is bloated costs at the top like advertising, dealerships, exec bonuses, stuff like this... not actually union payrolls...

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Hypocritical Repugs
Posted by: xvictor on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 AM   
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The major reason, perhaps the only reason which has nothing to do with their failed ideology, the repugs in Congress are objecting to the auto bailouts is the simple fact that many of their constituents work in foreign-owned auto plants such as Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, located in their states. So it's not in their interest to help the Detroit auto firms. Btw, these same Repugs who are against the auto bailout voted previously for the Wall Street handout.

With that said, I'm against any bailout.

So much for "laissez-faire".

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I just bought a brand new car for my wife...
Posted by: Symp on Dec 9, 2008 9:14 AM   
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Criteria were:
* less than $18K, all taxes included * best possible fuel consumption w/o going hybrid (too complex and will cost too much over the long haul) or diesel (fuel has a $1.20 per gallon disadvantage now);
* room for 5 with variable but useful cargo capacity;
* low cost of ownership, which includes resale value, expected maintenance costs, insurance premiums...
* fun to drive with high content.

Well, the 2 vehicles that fit that description best were: Nissan Versa hatchback and Honda Fit 2009. I bought the latter because wife liked the color selection better. What American could I have purchased while respecting my above requirements? Let’s see…
• Chevrolet Cobalt? no real cargo volume
• Chevrolet HHR? too expensive, bad fuel economy
• Ford Focus? no longer available: hatchback or wagon
• Chrysler PT Cruiser? too expensive, bad fuel economy
• Dodge Caliber? You’re joking, right?

There were a few possible other contenders from Japan: Suzuki, Toyota, but the point of this post is that AMERICAN carmakers have no real/valid offers…

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here's an interesting link with a video about Ford...
Posted by: babs on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 AM   
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...plant in Brazil - the largest and most modern and built in 2001 - great business model - utilizing their parts and assembly suppliers right on Ford's site!

interesting comment about why it can't be done in the U.S. as well...

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

also, Toyota just opened a huge new plant in Woodstock, Ontario - that was the one that was supposed to go to Alabama or Miss. but was canned when the cost of employee health care was considered. Also the average literacy rate was too low. hmmm...

Mo money for prisons, but not for education! What's wrong with this picture?

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The 57 Billion Dollar Dick.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 AM   
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I know you idiots in DC semm to be nothing but bootlickers to the wealthy,but what the fuck?!?!!

These guys low-balled you at 21 Billion,how the hell did you come to the notion that 57 would be better? The utter mismanagement of the whole bailout scam for the wealthy is so 'in-yer-face' with it's comcept of 'socialized debt correction' that I'm about ready to puke red,white and blue millionaires.

Is there somewhere in the vast recesses of their small congressional minds that maybe even a flint-like spark of true human compassion exists?
Are not 'The People' the real 'econimic engine' of the nation? Is not the constant buying and selling of goods between the citizenry the very definition of a stimulated economy?

I,the rest of our readers and most of the Nation want to know one thing......
WHERE THE HELL IS OUR TRILLION DOLLAR BAILOUT?????? You people have acted like
the freaking "Lord of the Manor' on our money for far too long. With the money you all suck from lobbyist's you creatons need to be the one's that work for a buck a year.

You bitch about the credit market,the stock market,the housing markets,the auto markets, hell,you even bitch about the supermarkets but you give the money to the assholes that made the problem. I hate to tell you but to Joe and Jane Fucked till it Hurts America you all look like 'sell-outs' to the rich.

I think the very least Congress can do,since they've done such an admirable
job of reaminfg us to death, is cram Barney Frank's Bill allowing for consenting adult to posess 100 gram of pot, into that 'Amnibus Package' they love to stuff shit in and pass at the end of the year. At the very least it would be the humane thing to do, since you bastards won't even send flowers and candy to you hose victims.

Let's get real,the people don't really give a shit about rich folks losing some of their imaginary power their money gives them. In fact their 'humbling' has been long over due.
But to slap us in the face with their bills and not even give us Healthcare,is asking for it. Maybe now,in the cold,the time has come to take our elder activist friends with urine bags and wheelchair them up to the Capitol steps and " Open the Bags of Freedom' in a act of political expression for this continued bailout of everybody but the people.

Here's an easy Bill to pass. It's plain,simple and shouldn't be too hard for all of you to understand,up on The Hill.

Every person with a social security number gets 250 thousand dollars. It starts with the people born on the day it becomes law and is retroactive back to the eldest American. Everyone born after the law date,the money goes into a savings account that builds to the 250,000 mark and they get it when the are legal age of the state.

In the hands of the people the money has magical powers. We spend,we payoff, we invest,we create new things,we basically STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.

So how about it Georgie? Do you want to end on a major 'up note' and be Santa to every American. Or will you allow the congress to piss in all our faces......again?

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Pollution, global warming
Posted by: ScottP on Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Where's the discussion of the elephant in the room? The Big 3 have been lobbying for more pollution and less control over their pollution for decades. The auto industry (making and use of cars) is one of the top polluters in every category. The ice cap at the north pole is now over half melted. The climate is already unstable, we must now go to carbon-negative if we want any chance of allowing it to become stable again. Adding a few mpg won't save the day. The Big 3 won't save the day, they've had another chance every day for several thousand days in a row.

You have your choice: Big 3 or the environment, but you can't have both.

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» RE: Pollution, global warming Posted by: Diecash1
» RE: Pollution, global warming Posted by: Diecash1
bailout makes sense if
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 AM   
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The bailout makes sense, for more money than they asking for especially, if it is a condition that with all the new vehicles put out after retooling the plants, we end up with an overall fuel efficiency increase of 20% or better.

The reason I say this is that we currently have a $450 billion trade deficit. We also send about $300-500 billion overseas to import oil. A 20% efficiency increase would mean we would import 20% less oil, saving us between $60-100 billion dollars a year that we aren't bleeding out of our economy.

Bail them out to save the job losses which we cannot currently afford to lose, with all the impositions of better business models etc. just this once, and then loan them the money to retool. From a national and economic standpoint it makes perfect sense.

This isn't an insoluable problem but an opportunity to force them to do the right thing. Like the old expression goes, when you have them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow. Right now they are playing the leading role in the Nutcracker. Let's take advantage of it.

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» RE: bailout makes sense if Posted by: ciccio
Why not ME??
Posted by: sweetlilwookims on Dec 9, 2008 11:30 AM   
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I think the bailout I'd like to see is to bail me out of debt. I promise I'll spend my money on more products. And not just hort it up under my mattress. Help me.

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Paulson's Protection, Money's Power Imbalance!
Posted by: tgolferman on Dec 22, 2008 10:03 PM   
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Glass-Stegal, along with other innovative programs, rules, and regulations provided mechanisms to counter the natural power of capital in the economy and the resulting unhealthy power the financial industry has over all aspects of the economy. Money is to the economy as oxygen is to human life. To allow those who control the financial levers of the economy un-checked power is to invite ruin. If the balance of power in the economy is tilted in favor of the financial industry, the result will be exactly what we have now. If you know you control the game, you can lend and re-lend the same money over and over, knowing that at the end of the day you control the game and can tap the treasury and taxpayers to bail you out. Regan - Banking Crisis....George H.W. Bush - S&L Crisis....Bill Clinton - Glass-Stegal-Repeal(Among others)....George W. Bush - Total Financial Meltdown. Need I say more?

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