Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise

Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Going to College & Grad School Looks Like a Disaster

By Nan Mooney, AlterNet. Posted December 2, 2008.


Thinking about going back to school in a weak jobs market? Students face a plague of loan problems, less aid and higher tuition and fees.
Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

With the job market tanking, have you been thinking that now is the perfect time to go to school, or go back to school, to shore up those job skills and make sure you have an edge in the market?

Think again.

The economic crisis has hit higher education with a triple whammy. Students and their families will need more help paying for school just as colleges struck by financial crises begin charging higher tuition and have less means to provide financial aid.

Already, 37 lenders have stopped making private loans and 168 have stopped offering federally guaranteed loans. Though money is still available -- only 25 of the top 100 lenders, although responsible for 91.5 percent of loans, have dropped out -- increasingly there are conditions attached. Lenders are pulling back from the community college and trade school markets -- where there are higher default rates, lower graduation rates and lower job placement -- at the same time, community colleges are seeing an increasing number of applicants seeking an affordable education option.

"These days the financial aid office is the busiest on campus," says Patricia Hurley, the financial aid director at Glendale Community College in California. "We're working nights and weekends just trying to get all the applications processed."

Though Hurley says the fallout of the financial crisis is only beginning to be reflected on campus, she has seen an increase in students who, due to layoffs and foreclosures, are filing for appeals to reevaluate student loans based on family income from the prior year. Some major lenders have exited the industry entirely or have stopped lending to community colleges, but the number remains small enough that remaining lenders can pick up the slack.

For Hurley, and for financial aid officers in public institutions across the country, the real challenge will be balancing increased demand with major budget cuts. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger recently proposed a midyear budget cut of $65.5 million for the University of California system, in addition to the $48 million cut already factored into the budget.

"We're having to cut classes and professors," says Hurley. "Tuition will go up. And our outreach efforts to high schools and into the community are being hampered because we no longer have the financial resources. All this is happening at a time when it's critical to get the word out that college is still affordable."

Colleges across the board are hurting. At least 20 states have handed down budget cuts or face tuition increases in their higher-education systems. The University of Florida has already eliminated 430 faculty and staff positions and plans to increase in-state tuition by 15 percent. The University of Massachusetts system has cut $24.6 million for the current fiscal year. And with more students likely to apply to lower-cost public universities, admission will grow even more competitive.

Both private and public universities have watched their endowments plummet. The University of Washington has seen a $400 million drop in assets due chiefly to the faltering stock market. Harvard, Columbia and Duke are all reportedly looking to unload private-equity holdings in an effort to shore up cash. Schools are reporting hiring freezes and postponement of new-construction plans. Even more alarming are the murmurings of midyear tuition hikes and of smaller colleges, with limited endowments and relatively low graduation rates, being forced to close their doors.

As any recent graduate can confirm, college wasn't cheap to begin with. A 2008 College Board report, based on numbers drawn before the credit crunch, revealed tuition hikes of 6.4 percent for public in-state tuitions and 5.9 percent for private colleges in the 2008-2009 academic year. The average in-state tuition and fees at four-year public colleges are $6,585, up $394 from last year. At private universities, published tuition and fees average $25,143, a $1,398 increase over last year.

With mounting financial pressures, students now worry they may have to withdraw from school because their parents can no longer afford the tuition and student loan money will be harder and harder to find. Already, private loans have become difficult to secure, with some major lenders exiting the student loan arena entirely and others, like industry giant Sallie Mae, requiring higher credit scores and more stringent qualifications for cosigners. Student Lending Analytics, an independent research firm, estimates that $5.8 billion to $7.1 billion of private loan capacity has left the market, 31 to 37 percent of available funding. In the past, parents may have counted on taking out home-equity loans to help finance their children's educations, but the mortgage crisis has all but dried up that source of cash, too.


Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: student loans, higher education, financial aid, tuition fees

Nan Mooney is the author of "(Not) Keeping Up with Our Parents" (Beacon, 2008). Read more about the book and her work at Nan Mooney.com.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace! Sign up now »


Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Poem "I Choose To Live"
Posted by: thinkverybig on Dec 2, 2008 12:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I Choose To Live!



Just got out of bed at 1:47am

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Not able to sleep – too many thoughts roaming my mind

How will I survive? What will I eat?

Rent is due by the 5th

And I don’t have the money yet

I’m holding out hope that I can pull it off of my credit card again

Been living this way for 2 months now

And things are very tight

I haven’t closed on a deal in over 3 months

My very own brother utilized another agent to buy a house

Instead of me

Knowing I could have used the money

His excuse, “I got a good deal”

That really hurts but hey, that’s my brother

I keep most things to myself

All bottled up on the inside with fleeting thoughts of suicide

But no need to worry, I won’t do that!

I’m too chicken

I just wished I had a job, a sense of purpose

All of my bills paid off

Have my daughter proud of her Dad

Get her all of the necessary things she needs

And as for job hunting

I’m finally getting the energy to surf the net

In the past, I’ve been too depressed

But with the recent call from my daughter, asking for financial help

I knew I had to do something

I have to be there for her if not me

So, I choose to live.


Written by: David J. Hudson

© December 2, 2008
www.thinkverybig.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I went to grad school only after working full time.
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 2, 2008 1:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
And I had to make sure they'd pay something. They'd cover for some of the tuition if not all of it. Sure, it was a lot still but covering some meant better than staying saddled with the debt. Plus, since my wife went through so much trouble getting herself a Phd in addition to her masters, I was able to help her pay off her debt. It is true that often times, no matter how well educated women are, they're stuck with less educated bosses. I'll tell you one invaluable lesson out there though and it is true these days than it ever was in the past. Unless you're really rich, don't even think about doing a masters or phd once you're married let alone have kids.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» I concur Posted by: pdxjoe
the corporate-academic-government complex in action
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First, they got rid of most of the real financial aid years ago. Modern student aid is a lot like U.S. foreign aid these days - it comes with a lot of strings attached, and part of the plan is to saddle the recipient of such "aid" with a lifelong debt that will keep paying and paying and paying - that was how the adjustable rate mortgages were supposed to work, as well. Refinance, refinance, refinance.

Second, the endowments were more and more being used to invest in shady drug ventures and the like - academic greed is the same as any other kind. Drug patents, public-private partnerships - who has time for students when your negotiating your percentage off Monsanto's bovine growth hormone sales (15 cents per dose goes to the University of California).

Why whould we bother educating U.S. students at all? Everything is being outsourced - even the newspapers are going to be run from India - the Indians will just look at the feed from all the Homeland Security surveillance cameras, write their articles, and submit them to Dean Singleton's Media News Gorp, for $5 a pop.

Likewise, all the manufacturing will be done in Mexico and China, and even the R&D divisions are moving (it's best to have R&D next to manufacturing, after all).

This will lead to a wonderful new Third World-style "ownership society" in the U.S., with a handful of wealthy plutocrats controlling what limited wealth exists, serviced by an army of private guards and other lackeys, with a large population of permanently underemployed serfs to pick the servants from.

Sounds great, huh?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Gravy Train De-Railed
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 2, 2008 5:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Higher Ed costs have been exploding ever since the days I was i college almost 3 decades ago. It's time the money junkies running the universities go on a long overdue diet.

BTW- If there is truly a free market in higher ed, prices should drop. Don't hold your breath waiting for fees and tuition to drop.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Oh the 80's Posted by: Inlander
i'm just graduating from graduate school
Posted by: functionaladdict on Dec 2, 2008 5:11 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
.... and i've got two job offers. i don't know what you people are moaning about. i've been on the lower end of the economic spectrum my entire life, so fending for myself in grad school was business as usual. and since i've been poor (my mother was a high school teacher and my father was a minister, not the kind that makes money, either) my whole life, i knew from grade school on that i would need to get a real job. so instead of getting a degree in english or creative writing or business when i did undergrad, i got a degree in something real that will always be needed, chemistry. now i'm about to get a PhD in chemistry, and oh look, i was right. there are jobs, just not fake ones like in law (sorry to my lawyer friends but you know i'm right) or business management, but in making the world a slightly better place, a little bit at a time (i do basic research about photophysics). i do not get paid very much, but it is enough for my needs. so stop bitching and get a real degree, and then please help out with all this science! we need lab minions!! (you think i'm joking but i'm not).

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» I'm sorry, but... Posted by: gigantor21
» RE: i've been poor Posted by: swamiji
» RE: i've been poor Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: i've been poor Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: i've been poor Posted by: dmaciewski
» Wait a minute! Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: bluepilgrim
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: bluepilgrim
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: bluepilgrim
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: Wait a minute! Posted by: bluepilgrim
» RE: Since when does Poor = Asshole? Posted by: functionaladdict
» And by the way Posted by: gonzoyak
» It just goes to show... Posted by: maddy
» RE: It just goes to show... Posted by: functionaladdict
» RE: It just goes to show... Posted by: BreeMass
» Just more sputtering... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: The real problem... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Too bad science funding is so weak. Posted by: kungfoofighterx
» Why should I hire you? Posted by: Deep
» RE: Why should I hire you? Posted by: functionaladdict
A Giant Ponzi Scheme
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As a natural science Ph.D. (1984) who has never worked a day in the field that he trained in, I now recognize that U.S. higher education is a monstrous scam. Higher education is a career field where a few leaders set the wages and benefits for the college administration. Instructors are typically adjunct faculty whose pay rate is comparable to the minimum wage after all hours are accounted for. Nelson's 1996 NAS Speech

Data are "cherry picked" to support the false claim that "an investment in higher education pays." In almost all cases, this is true only if you are already a member of the economic elite. Careful study of a more oomplete data set shows that the economic value of a Ph.D. is typically negative.

Leaders from industry and academia colluded with the National Science Foundation in the late 1980s to massively increase immigration to hold down U.S. wages in science and engineering fields. Eric Weinstein Paper See, in particular the section, "The NSF's Real Shortage Study."

To reform this dangerous situation, please use the citizen activism tools at NumbersUSA.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: A Giant Ponzi Scheme Posted by: gazey
RE: College
Posted by: gigantor21 on Dec 2, 2008 6:57 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Universities are nothing but sex and drinking parties anymore anyways."

Pretty much.

That's especially true if he goes somewhere out of the way, since there's nothing better to do. Sex, drinking parties, and drugs. *sigh*

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: College Posted by: Shehova
» RE: College Posted by: kabac
Well, duh
Posted by: gazey on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have an MA and my husband has a PhD in biology. He has won major research awards, etc. He was still struggling to find work a year ago. We are just now (he is 36) on the cusp of a permanent job for him (one that will not change in 2 or 3 years). If he were not a citizen, he would have no trouble finding job upon job in research. Yes, it's all a scam. We are in loan debt up to our ears, and we did a lot of smart things. He went to a very cheap and good undergrad, and we both had fellowships. We started to "Get it" with regard to the fraud of American education and jobs about five years ago. Oh, and we just moved back here from Canada because guess what? With awards and with a proven track record in genetics and research my husband could not get a job at the time in his own freakin' country (gotta love the Bush years). We say we want math and science to have a bigger place in America, but I don't believe it. My husband has questioned many times whether he should have gone down this path... he is good at it, but it's a LOT of work and life sacrifice for very little reward ultimately. I think this will only get worse with H1B Visas (the author doesn't even mention that reality). Okay, rant over. I hope this changes under an Obama admin.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Try being out of work for 15 months! Posted by: thinkverybig
» RE: Try being out of work for 15 months! Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
eco universities?
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We have enough MBAs and Lawyers right now. We need organic permaculture farmers, urban planners, eco-restoration experts, water and soil experts, solar and wind engineers, etc...

perhaps it's time for universities to specialize
in save-the-planet degrees?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: eco universities? Posted by: Dboy
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: djnoll
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: Dboy
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: dyz64
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: Dboy
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: anonymous black writer
» RE: eco universities? Posted by: anonymous black writer
what about rent
Posted by: elidude420 on Dec 2, 2008 7:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The cost of housing in my city is double my tuition cost. Rent, food, and health care have become much bigger problems than tuition.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Yep Posted by: BreeMass
Feds are hiring MA's like crazy
Posted by: eeezzz on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Also BA's and even HS grads. It looks like they are trying to take up the unemployment slack. Seriously high paying jobs - not like the old days and benefits are PRIMO! If you have a Fed out-post or can get to one, especially DC right now or Denver or anyplace with a GAO, EOE, DOT - whatever Fed department you need to apply. I know 6 people who have been hired by the Feds in the last 90 days! Jobs that include everything from sitting around writing "reports" (these agencies write all kinds of bogus reports to justify their ensure padding for the humungous taxpayer funded budgets they have to defend every year) to security positions (need a lot of these in a police state) to people that can sit around making computer back-ups all day. Oh and all levels of IT jobs- best pay! Also science jobs and lower administrative positions. It helps if you know someone in one of the agencies, they can get you a leg up - but 3 of the people I know knew no one, but this is near DC.
Seriously - FED jobs are the way to go. You can retire on a special plan made just for Feds in only 20 years! It's worth the hassle to get in because the job security is built in, pretty much no matter what you do.
Don't get a state job - they don't have any money right now - but the Feds can just print up whatever they need to pay Fed salaries and bennies! And don't buy into the BS about how they have outsourced all of the Fed jobs - not true - that is just another of the Fed worker's offensive tactics aganist losing any of the huge budget dollars that make these places like modern day mini-kingdoms! In no time, as a Fed, you will be wielding power you never knew you had- and denying it!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Endowments and tanning beds
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Dec 2, 2008 8:35 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ever wonder what the F your school is spending money on? All the financial aid and scholarships in the world an't going to help much when tuition gets jack up, higher and higher and for what, they new art center or dorms with tanning beds? State School, its easy to raise tuition. Your 18 year old freshman and poof the 1st year magically the state has to raise tuition for other government functions (senior citizens) and you dont know how the world works however you keep humming along as your major is advance basket weaving however now your 22 and your spilling in to the working world ready to graduate from that four year drinking binge and politics starts heating up again talking about "college tuition" however now you need a JOB with your basket weaving degree and you dont even give a F about tuition anymore as you start your job as assistant manger at CVS as you still dont know how the world works but you have a college degree.
-maybe not everyone is "college" material
-myself it took years after high school for me to really find something that I'm passionate in and there will be a JOB in
-that new football stadium or
-that hot shot new faculty from the Ivy's
-really what the F is your university spending money on? If I was going to get paid for doing something for just doing it, why should I be "price competitive?"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Where had the authoer been recently?
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Dec 2, 2008 9:16 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"It could signify a turn back toward the time when college was the province of the wealthy elite"

We're already there. We don't have a public education system anymore. There are no more tuition free community colleges and tuition free public universities. No civilized country would call turning people in debt peons with high college tuition rates a "public" education system.

I would say for about 9 out of 10 people that it wouldn't be worth it to go to college, either as a undergraduate or graduate, if you can't find a way to earn some money along the way and limit your debt load.

There is a term to describe heavily indebted poor Third World countries, or HIPC's, "Heavily Indebted Poor Country. Here in the U.S. we turn out "Heavily Indebted Poor Graduates", or HIPG's, out of our "public" universities. Avoid becoming one of those by buying in the scam that so called "public higher education" has become.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

A Different Approach - Join a Union
Posted by: carlosinhp on Dec 2, 2008 9:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
a newly released report by the Center for Economic Policy and Research (CEPR) shows that for women, joining a union is almost as good as going to college in terms of wages and a big difference maker in benefits like healthcare coverage. linked text

This report joins several other reports they've released looking at unions and the positive impacts they have on other groups of working people like latina/os, african-americans, and young workers in the U.S.

Not saying that folks shouldn't go to college or get an advanced degree, just pointing out that for folks that arent able to do that for whatever reason there are other ways to make sure we are getting good jobs.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Frankenstein meets Horatio Alger
Posted by: maddy on Dec 2, 2008 9:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I just wanted to add a few points to this discussion.

First, we must understand that the financial crippling of colleges and universities

1. begun well before this crisis of lending institutions and

2. that that beginning is all about ideology--free market values and a rejection of any kind of social contract.

Let me begin with the point about ideology. If you look back to the Reagan admininistration, they shifted the public discourse about what it means to go to college AS they gutted pell grants. They consciously replaced the notion that "the public supports college students because all of society benefits from their education" to "YOU should PAY for your education because your education only benefits YOU." Thus, as grants were replaced with loans, we were "sold" this as another example of the triumph of "individual freedom," "consumer choice," and the "free market."

This ideological shift also led to a crunch in higher ed institutions--not just because of increasingly tightened sources of public money that were dealt with via tuition hikes--but with a growing and shameful contempt toward non-lucrative degrees. The Socratic tenet of a liberal education--"an unexamined life is not worth living"--was replaced with vocational training--get a degree that will earn money. With college kids facing higher tuition and less public support, such a choice became not only unavoidable, but common sense.

And one more change we have to address here. Again because of this triumph of free market ideology and public gutting, colleges and universities have "re-thought" the professoriate as a cheap pool of readily available labor. Because there is such a need for graduate students--especially at universities and especially in meeting freshman composition requirements--there are far more PhDs (especially humanities) than there are tenure track positions. The result, because of our worship of the bottom line...

As tenure track professors retire, they are being replaced with adjuncts, lecturers, part-timers, and visiting professors. This pool of cheap labor works at poverty level wages (no, I'm not exaggerating), has no job security, and often no health coverage.

So, this story doesn't begin with dried up lenders. It extends back to the Reagan administration and the rise of free market ideology as the dominant philosophy of the past 30 years--it has failed because it INTENDS--please understand this--it INTENDS to GUT all public institutions and to spin that gutting as "individual freedom" and "consumer choice." (Sources: See Naomi Klein and Thomas Frank)

To put it simply: it's Frankenstein meets Horatio Alger.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Mirage
Posted by: willymack on Dec 2, 2008 10:20 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We've been living in the delusion that our polluting, wasteful "way of life" could continue on indefinitely, despite an exploding world population, and a growing realization by the people of nations being plundered of their natural resources-even their water-that they're being royally screwed over by us and other rich nations. This is the result of the "free" market way of thinking, the anything goes as long as it makes a profit for a select few, regardless of the cost to others, and the destruction of our ecosystems. The predictable outcome of continuing this insanity is almost too ghastly to contemplate, it's like the poor fool in the desert, thinking he's diving into a beautiful, sparkling pool of water, only to end up with a mouthful of sand.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Went to grad school, teach college now, and STILL screwed
Posted by: yurbud on Dec 2, 2008 10:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I went to grad school with the modest goal of teaching community college. My loans went from $11,000 to $50,000--except I didn't realize that community colleges use the labor practices of Walmart.

Most hire mostly part time instructors and don't offer benefits or job security to them. Consequently, I had to pay out of pocket for the doctor and meds I need to take every day for eight years before any of my employers offered me health insurance.

Because my class load and even whether I had classes at a given school varied from semester to semester, and I had gaps in income, I got deferments and forebearances as often as possible and didn't start paying back my loans on a regular basis until just recently.

That means my original $50,000 nut more than doubled to $100,000, and my payment is more than my rent. It makes planning a family difficult, and was a factor in the end of at least one relationship (with another academic).

This system of loans seems like yet another way to erode the middle class, so that even if you get a good education, you are still a slave to the same banks that sucker everyone else with credit cards and subprime mortgages.

Our society talks a good game about valuing educators, then it underfunds schools, micromanages K-12 teachers to death, punishes most college instructors economically for daring to teach kids how to think critically so they can see through the demagoguery of talk radio and the bland platitudes and weaseling of our end of the political spectrum.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The solution? Repeal Reagan's Bayh-Dole laws of 1982
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Dec 2, 2008 10:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Those laws are the linchpin in the process of converting the public university system into nothing more than another research arm of the corporate-industrial-military-Congressional complex.

They allowed research generated with public taxpayer support to be patented by the university, but in reality those patents end up controlled by giant corporations (like Monsanto).

This is the heart of the modern academic-corporate complex - Bayh-Dole. If those laws are repealed, the entire corporate-academic apparatus will come crashing down. Large corporations will be forced to reinvest in their own R&D departments if they want to own the patents, for example. Professors won't be spending all their time in corporate board room meetings, and so on.

This is the last thing that the administrations of today's public universities want to see happen - most of the them have close ties to Big Pharma or other tech corporations, and they've spent the past 30 years loading up the academic ranks with their greedy and dishonest supporters.

Not only that, academia has avoided being subject to any of the conflict-of-interest regulations that Wall Street and other areas are subject to - because of their "intellectual purity."

What a joke. The modern academic research facility is full of greed, backstabbing competition, and all manner of conflicts - professors on corporate boards trying to make a buck off their own research, you name it. What's even sadder is that the real academic scholars are mostly afraid to talk about it, for fear of being fired.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

bitter
Posted by: functionaladdict on Dec 2, 2008 11:11 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
who me, bitter? well, i think all of my generation is, seeing as bitter is all sytleish right now. but it has been hard living thousands of miles from all my friend and family.

no, i haven't gone on about how much i love my subject. but i do. i would not be doing this to myself if i didn't. i think biophysics and quantum biology are making exciting inroads into how life works (a very complicated problem indeed), and i want to be a part of those discoveries.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» yikes! Posted by: maddy
» RE: yikes! Posted by: functionaladdict
A GOOD college education makes you DANGEROUS!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 2, 2008 1:16 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That is why the free marketers and conservative types have PLANNED the situation the way it is now--as described in this article.

I'm not talking the ultra-techo type of education that gives you an MBA or a Degree in Information Technology. It is the "learning of asking questions" that COUNTS in this world. And I am referring to the degrees in the Liberal Arts--the ones that teach people to think critically about the world and ask that very dangerous question: "WHY?"

Just look at the totalitarian regimes of the world, past and present. They did not arrest the chemists, the engineers, the computer geeks. No! The first people that are carted-off in the middle of the night by the secret police are the philosphers, the authors, the social scientists. Because they are the truly dangerous ones to a tyrannical society.

Remember the great tv series "The Prisoner"? There was an episode called "The General" about a super computer that could instantly and en masse teach all kinds of facts to students. The Prisoner blew it up by typing into it one question to answer: W * H* Y* ?

So just remember all you Liberal Arts grads--you may not think so but there are people who are VERY AFRAID of you!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

School's Out
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
More gloom from the nation's colleges and universities: how can we get out of this terrible mess we're in?
It's nice that the federal government and others have stepped in to make financial aid more affordable (and accessible), but if students can't get the money and have to work, this means obtaining a degree will take a lot longer, preventing businesses with the necessary labor to promote growth and capital; and in the worst case scenario, education will be for the ones who can afford an Ivy League type education. We will have a multitiered strata of educated and the undereducated. Will we be a nation of Joe the Plumber types or one of Bill Gates and the techies, for argument's sake?
Each one has a societal need. We have clogged drains and need someone to build our technical devices like Blackberries and iPods, PS3's and the like. But then again, having a degree doesn't ward off a layoff but it could help getting a decent job after college. That's the purpose of higher education; but now with all the depressing news we feel betrayed by the tenets of college. School's out. Show me the money and you'll get in!
Some will have a degree, while others are forced into the junior college/technical school route where there is little promise of a job and future anxiety. Adding to this will be the massive debt if you go to a school like Pennsylvania or Vanderbilt-two great schools-that must be paid off.
If revenue dries up, schools can't hire professors or fund other programs for interpersonal development; cuts will be made to the music, journalism, athletics, liberal arts departments, etc. That will not attract students. There will not be any scholarships available for one particular discipline.
Let's hope the new president and those who care about education can reverse some of the disturbing trends occuring on our campuses. If not, colleges will have to cut back on cutting back close to the marrow in the bone.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Anyone remember Ted Kaczynski, AKA "The Unabomber"?
Posted by: Physiocrat on Dec 2, 2008 3:16 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While he was clearly half-crazy and a real-life terrorist he was extremely intelligent; as such he had a lot of interesting things to say about college, science, technology, government, bureacrats, and the bleak future of humanity and personal freedom if we don't moderate our use of technology. He believed that college is used to prepare people for a life of technological-industrial slavery instead of personal freedom and self-sufficiency.

I'm definitely not defending or condoning his murderous terrorism, but intellectually he was clearly on to something; read for yourself if you have some extra time: see what he had to say in "Industrial Society And Its Future"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

If You Can, Work With Your Hands: Be A Car Mechanic
Posted by: left_libertarian on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
believe me, you'll be better off.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

waynep
Posted by: waynep on Dec 2, 2008 9:41 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stereotyping is the crutch of the intellectually challenged. The statement regarding liberal arts majors serves as an wonderful example of ignorance.
I know plenty of business and science majors who are white rich kids of limited ability who drink excessively and fornicate randomly. I also know many liberal arts majors who were bright, poor, and not into the drinking or drug scene at all. I happen to be one of them. Fornication on the other hand...hopefully, occasionally at least, and selectively .

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

RE: Afraid of someone who has the ability to read?
Posted by: leTerrassier on Dec 3, 2008 12:59 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Are you kidding me? I'm an English major, and let me tell you that liberal arts majors work damn hard. We don't do it because we want to be rich, but because we want to do something we love. People are welcome to do whatever the hell they want with their lives, and they don't need no-nothing punks telling them they must do something "practical," which is "practically" a joke these days, considering how many realtors and business people are out of work.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

the king of tripe Kudos
Posted by: Juven on Dec 3, 2008 6:37 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ijust have to say with a an English Major (BA)and Liberal Studies Masters. This has to be some of the most ignorant tripe for a comment that I have ever seen on Alternet! Kudos!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Waynep
Posted by: waynep on Dec 2, 2008 9:32 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is nothing more foolish than making it more difficult for people to get a higher education. It is a problem that we must face and must conquer if we are to continue to be a world leader of any sort.
In the meantime, do encourage your children early on to value education, and to understand that ultimately, their future is in their hands. My youngest son was well aware that his single artist father who was in poor health was NOT going to be a likely source of money for college. He would get all of the love, encouragement, and emotional support that I could poor into him, but financially, it was on his shoulders. Graduating as valedictorian of his class, he received a full ride scholarship as an undergrad. He worked in the summer to provide extra income. He did very well as an undergrad, and has now been awarded a full fellowship at a major (Big Ten) college to do his MFA. In addition to the full scholarship, the fellowship pays him a decent salary simply to be a successful student. Needless to say, I am very proud of my son. He will graduate without any debt. My reason for going here is to encourage you to tell your child not to be discouraged by the current situation. If they want it badly enough, it is there for the taking. The value of doing well in school still pays off handsomely.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

RE TROLLING FOR ATTENTION BY ALTERNET READERS
Posted by: Noor on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I raised my daughters on welfare because they needed a MOTHER not to be latch key kids. So let us talk "poor" here in terms of cash.

Yet somehow my girls managed to hold down low level employment whilst in the first years of university and now are finishing up their degrees on scholarships. When they both were reaching burn-out and genuine fear of their accruing student debt loads, the miracle of scholarships appeared, offered because of their attitudes and hard work.

One will have her Ph.D. in Computers and Medical Applications, the other equally scientific.

They are grateful for the opportunities that have been theirs unlike this snooty childe. They have meaningful work to walk into when they are done and are proud to be pioneering females in a heretofore male dominated field.

Meanwhile. This is the THIRD post I have found this morning in AlterNet that has been derailed to the attitudes of a writer, whom I consider to be a TROLL, who ends up garnering the indignation and attention of other readers. Who loses? The original topic under discussion!

I propose readers just accept these attitudes, acknowledge they exist, and get on with the real meat and potatoes instead of being diverted by such childish ploys.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

What is a "real" degree?
Posted by: Deep on Dec 3, 2008 1:40 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As the child of Indian immigrants, I was always encouraged to study sciences and maths, despite the fact that I preferred history and social studies. In high school I would take honors history and spanish, but take regular trigonometry and physics. By the time I came to college, I wanted to be a history major. However, my parents and sisters convinced me to be a pharmacy major. I was told, all I need to do is get C's, pass the boards(not an easy task), and boom I would be making $90,000 for counting pills.

However in my first year, at a private university in Boston, I found chemistry to be frustrating and biology boring. I wanted to explore other majors, but my parents didn't want to spend $25,000 for me to "explore". So, I transfered to the state university. Given that was the
Dotcom boom, I jumped on the computer science bandwagon. I even took an internship at a dotcom company-that is now defunct. Only to find out, that I hate programming. The only way to pass the class I found was to cheat off my classmates, and that's no way to take class. With my GPA so low, that I was put on academic probation, I had to pick another major. Given that I took a geography class, received an A in it, and liked a lot, I decided to major in geography.

As a geography major, I actually enjoyed learning. I enjoyed studying, and talking to classmates. Because geography was not a very popular major at my alma mater, the department was small and I got to know my professors. I went from academic probation to the dean's list. I rediscovered the true meaning of what it means to be in college. And you know what:I FOUND A JOB WITH MY GEOGRAPHY DEGREE.

If you want to know what a real degree is, it is one where you are happy with, one where it enable what you want to do. To me a computer science degree is as real as a geography degree is to others.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: What is a "real" degree? Posted by: anonymous black writer
It's about who you know first, and what you know second
Posted by: doctorsquared on Dec 4, 2008 1:05 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Unfortunately this is the real key to finding a job, education or not. I personally found it easier to make connections once I was out of high school, though; for that reason I would recommend at least some postsecondary schooling. But, like the chemistry PhD above, I guess I am also a special case because I pretty much always knew I wanted to be a physician, and always tailored every single educational choice to that goal.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Economic Catch-22
Posted by: CA NOW on Dec 4, 2008 11:04 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We're covering this issue over at the CA NOW blog too, in a post called Economic Catch-22

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It does not add up
Posted by: ender on Dec 5, 2008 7:02 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I cannot compete with an electrical engineer with a master's degree from another country like India who is willing/able to work for less than $7,000 USD per year.

There used to be a value-added tax that prevented this kind of situation and protected workers in both countries. We need this NOW.

Here's how it works:

Let's say a shirt is made in the USA and the labor cost per shirt is $1.00. When a shirt made in China with a labor cost of $0.05 is imported, then a $0.95 tax must be paid on those sneakers. In this way, there is no financial incentive to move productions overseas or to abuse workers in either country. The race to the bottom is eliminated because labor costs are equalized.

Of course, we could just get rid of the corporations that got us into this mess in the first place. Corporations own everything, have enslaved humanity, are destroying the planet, and have become more powerful than most sovereign countries...

(They are now engaging in warfare, or have you never heard of Halliburton and Blackwater?)

Sure they don't have heads to guillotine off, but they do have nice, juicy assets that we can feast on that - let's face it - we've already paid for in triple.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

YES, TIMES HAVE CHANGED. DURING SLACK TIMES GOOD JOBS ARE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 6, 2008 10:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
to find. It is a good time to go to school. Schools are too expensive. When I went to school the state charged about 30% of the real cost. You could sort of judge it by the fact that church schools charged about another 70%.

I reccomend you do as much community college as you can. I suggest you shop for price. You don't really need a name brand degree until after you finish a PhD. When you finish the PhD go start applying for post-doctorate money. Its out there. Then go get all of the snob appeal you feel you need.

By this time the economy should be marching just fine. You will have used your time profitably. Its your life. Don't go wasting it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

AFFORDABLE COLLEGE IS A RIGHT THAT YOUNG PEOPLE SHHOULD FIGHT FOR
Posted by: cori on Dec 7, 2008 11:25 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While the corporate world has been rapping us, Europe has been feverishly passing laws to protect its people from poisonous food, cosmetics, giving them all kinds of protections and safety nets and still prospering. They have also given their youth affordable college educations and superior education in general. I am outraged at the cost of college here. At a time when China is building a new affordable college a day for its youth and India is doing the same, the cost of our colleges are off the charts. College educated people are our only way to compete with the world. They are our future! This idea that kids should go into debt to the tune of thousands of dollars while we bail out companies is obscene and I plan to do something about it. Students need to learn that higher education is a right that should their government should support and they should not be put on the economic back burner. We are funding the biggest prison system on the face of the. We seem to be able to find away to put more people behind bars then any other nation and fund 761 bases with a trillion dollar military price tag while our students are struggling to go to college! Other nations aren't doing this. They understand why it’s vital to have an educated youth to compete economically in the global market. I plan to go to college age students and suggest that they strongly lobby for their futures and the future of this nation. No more student loans. We want affordable colleges and our young people should demand it! Today the Greek people were outraged at the murder of one young person by a police man. There were riots in the streets and the Prime Minister is going to write a personal apology to the boy’s family, someone is going to resign. Yet here this happens every day. Some young person gets shot and no one cares because the general tenor of our nation does not value its population. Europe is showing us that it is possible to raise the bar in every way and we need to work to create this world for our people here to. This is a true Democracy when the government protects the people and understands how important it is for a nation to respect its people and offer its youth a future that is vital for all of us.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement