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Radical Solutions for a Crazy Economy

By Nouriel Roubini, Forbes. Posted November 28, 2008.


The fight against a deadly combination of stagnation/recession and deflation has to be unorthodox.

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The U.S. economy is confronting a toxic mixture: deflation, a liquidity trap and debt deflation, as well as rising household and corporate defaults. Put plainly, the signs of a "stag-deflation" -- a deadly combination of stagnation/recession and deflation -- are now clear.

We are in a severe recession, and now the recent readings of both the Producer Price Index and the Consumer Price Index show the beginning of deflation. The slack in goods markets -- with demand falling and supply being excessive (because of years of excessive over-investment in new capacity in China, Asia and emerging market economies) -- means firms have lower pricing power and a need to cut prices to sell the burgeoning inventory of unsold goods.

The slack in labor markets means lower wage pressures and lower labor-cost pressures; and the slack in commodity markets -- that have already fallen by 30% from their summer peaks and will fall another 20%-30% in a global recession -- means lower inflation and actual deflationary forces.

The Risk of a Liquidity Trap

When deflation sets in, central banks need to worry about it -- and worry about a liquidity trap. Take the example of the 2001 recession: That was a mild eight-month recession in the U.S. and was over by the end of 2001. But by 2002, the U.S. inflation rate had fallen toward 1%. The Fed was forced to cut the Fed Funds rate to 1% and Ben Bernanke (then a Fed Governor) was writing speeches titled "Deflation: Making Sure "It" Does Not Happen Here."

So if a mild recession that was not even global led to deflation worries, how severe could deflation be in a recession that even the IMF is now forecasting to be global in 2009?

When economies get close to deflation, central banks aggressively cut policy rates, but they are threatened by the liquidity trap that being zero-bound on nominal policy rates implies. The Fed is now effectively already in a liquidity trap: The target Fed Funds rate is still 1% but expected to be cut to 0.5% in December and down to 0% by early 2009. Also, while the target rate is still 1%, the effective Fed Funds rate has been trading close to 0.3% for several weeks now as the Fed has flooded money markets with massive liquidity injections. So we are effectively already close to the 0% constraint for the nominal policy rate. Comment On This Story

Why should we worry about a liquidity trap? When policy rates are close to zero, money and interest-bearing short-term government bonds become effectively perfectly substitutable. (What is a zero-interest-rate bond? It is effectively like cash.) Monetary policy becomes ineffective in stimulating consumption, housing investment and capital expenditure by the corporate sector. You get stuck into a liquidity trap and more unorthodox monetary policy actions need to be undertaken.

The Costs and Dangers of Price Deflation

First, if aggregate demand falls sharply below aggregate supply, price deflation sets in. There is already massive price deflation in the U.S. in the sectors -- housing, autos/motor vehicles and consumer durables -- where the inventory of unsold goods is huge. The fall in prices and the excess inventory forces firms to cut back production and employment; the ensuing fall in incomes leads to further fall in demand -- and induces another vicious cycle of falling prices and falling production/employment/income and demand.

Second, when there is deflation, there is no incentive to consume/spend today as prices will be lower tomorrow. Buying goods today is like catching a falling knife and there is an incentive to postpone spending until the future: Why buy a home or a car today if its price will fall another 15% and purchasing today would imply having one's equity in a home or a car wiped out in a matter of months? Better to postpone spending. But this postponing of spending exacerbates the vicious cycle of falling demand and supply/employment/income and prices.

Third, when there is deflation, real interest rates are high and rising in spite of the fact that nominal policy rates are zero. If the policy rate is zero and there is a 2% deflation, the real short-term policy rate is actually a positive 2% that further depresses consumption and investment; and real long-term market rates are even higher with deflation, as market rates at which firms and households borrow are much higher than short-term policy rates.

The Deadly Deeds of Debt Deflation

Deflation also leads to the nightmare of debt deflation, a situation well analyzed by Irving Fisher during the Great Depression. If debt liabilities are in nominal terms and at a fixed long-term interest rate, a reduction in the price level increases the real value of such nominal liabilities. So debtors who are already distressed in a recession and deflation become even more distressed as the real burden of their liabilities sharply rises.


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Save Existing Jobs, Help Homeowners and Consumers, Clean up the Banks ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2008 12:20 AM   
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Saving Jobs ... We do this with "Medicare for All". Medicare for All would help re-capitalize business (especially manufacturing), school districts, state and local government, individual payers and the under and uninsured. The states could use any excess of savings for unemployment and pension funds. Overall this could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs while putting money quickly and directly into the system in the most efficient, fairest way ... taking care of people's medical bills.

How do we help consumers and homeowners? Bankruptcy Reform, in particular, legalizing house price reductions in bankruptcy court could solve many foreclosures almost immediately. They are also necessary because so many mortgages have several owners with different " pieces" of the mortgage. Chris Dodd already proposed this but was rebuffed by the banking interests. Bankruptcy reform could also be extended to the "cramdown" of valuations on cars and credit cards. This bankruptcy will not be a giveaway but a severe chastisement for credit abuse. The 2005 Bankruptcy Act was a travesty of justice.

We need to clean up the banks. Throwing money into banks won't work. We need an FDR style Bank Holiday or what has been referred to as the Swedish Plan. That is we first examine the books of the banks then decide who is viable (solvent) and who isn't (insolvent). The solvent banks are given help if they need it and the insolvent banks are liquidated where the account holders are made whole and transfered to solvent institutions. The process we are trying now , the TARP Program, is just picking winners and losers without knowing what the real losses are in the banks that are helped. And indeed there is ample evidence that this TARP Program is being guided by politics and favoritism rather than for the best interest of the public.

We need to nationalize the Federal Reserve. What has become clear is that this hybrid central bank has been and is being wrought by favoritism to the banks and special interests, and not being operated in the public interest. The current crisis and previous crises can be laid right at the feet of the Federal Reserve, through its operational, managerial and advisory malfeasance. What is needed is the reclamation of the sovereignty for the creation of currency and credit. We need a truly Public Central Bank as Canada has had since 1936.

The more jobs we save the shorter the recession. The more we help consumers and homeowners get credit under control the shorter the recession. The sooner we clean up the banks toxic books the shorter the recession. Nationalizing the Federal Reserve and creating a truly public central bank will help to pay for the multi trillion dollar mess the Fed has ignored, enabled and promoted.

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Float Up, not Trickle Down!
Posted by: writerman on Nov 28, 2008 1:00 AM   
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Simplifying at lot.

I believe we need an almost total reversal of the last thirty years of "conservative" economic and social policy. The massive re-distribution of wealth away from the great mass of the population towards the super-rich.

Arguably the top 400 of the richest in the United States own as much wealth as the bottom 40%! Real wages have been declining or at the least stagnent for over thirty years. In order to maintain their lifestyles Americans have been forced to work longer, harder, send wives to work and drown themselves in debt. Now we've reached the absolute end of that road to nowhere.

Too many goods are in the marketplace and too few people can purchase them with their wages. Debt was a subsidy aimed at the US consumer.

The anti-social redistribution of America's wealth, kind of like a "socialist revolution" only in reverse, or an inverted Robin Hood strategy, has destroyed America, or close to it.

What's now needed is a massively redistributive counter movement, a reversal of the "class war" politics of the last thirty years. The cake has to be sliced up differently.

But is this possible in the United States? Look at Congress. It's composed almost entirely of millionaires and the super-rich. Are they likely to pursue economic policies that actively reduce their share of the country's wealth? And what about the ruling "aristocracy" are they calmy and without resistance just going to allow their collosal wealth and power to be taken away from them?

What's terrible is how little real representation in the political system ordinary Americans really have. Who is really fighting for their corner? Far from a democracy, the US political system reminds me of 18th century France in the years prior to the Revolution. Where the great mass of the population had virtually no real say in how France was ruled and no political way of stopping an isolated, decadent, and fabulously wealthy elite from driving France over the edge of a cliff.

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weak dollar, did we really want that?
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 28, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Because that is what we were getting, how the Bush administration was doing it. They maintained the slide for a long time. I think our present adjustment is an improvement.

All we need now is those green manufacturing jobs and we will be back on our feet. Local governments should encourage home improvement projects to make folks energy and housing self sufficient.

The lack of a job bites a lot less if you don't lose your housing over it. People must have warm shelter, the best shelter is, no matter how humble, your own home.

The problem with many of these "extreme" policy actions is that they were tried in Japan in the 1990s and the last few years, and they failed miserably. Once you are in a liquidity trap and there are fundamental deflationary forces in the economy as the excess aggregate supply of goods faces a falling aggregate demand, it is very hard -- even with extreme policy actions -- to prevent deflations from emerging.

Some very aggressive policy actions -- such as letting the dollar weaken sharply -- may do the job, but they may also be beggar-thy-neighbor policies that would export even more deflation to other countries. The world economy has been massively imbalanced for the last decade ...


I observed the bubble was artificially being endlessly expanded on a corresponding slide to the dollar. Popping the expansion bubble does not HAVE to automatically slide us into recession or stagflation. You will just have to look for a new avenue of growth.

I am really glad the author mentioned Japan. We do have an example to look to to see what does not work, saving a lot of heartache. I notice their long term trend is not looking good for society. Social costs are worth looking into.

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» The Canadians love it Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
doomed
Posted by: jon B on Nov 28, 2008 7:17 AM   
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I highly respect Nouriel Roubini's economics, but he is telling some deep truths and can only offer "radical" ideas with a laundry list of "we could try" ideas.

It's unfortunate because I've felt that this time was coming for several years, here we are and someone who has the knowledge to understand it far better than the jokers who got us into this mess, hasn't got a good answer.

We are just going to have to face it, a world wide deflation that could last many years. This is the Great Depression II staring us in the face. It's not going to be pretty.

The grim part of it is that most of his ideas involve pouring huge amounts of money into the problem and unlike the last Great Depression, we are already in a huge financial hole, almost $11 trillion of national debt.

The word DEBT is going to be in every article on economics for many years.

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» RE: doomed Posted by: Von
» RE: doomed Posted by: Dboy
» RE: doomed Posted by: halg
RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE & BREAKUP OF THE U.S..
Posted by: Noor on Nov 28, 2008 7:39 AM   
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MOSCOW, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily Izvestia published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The one-hundred dollar bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen. Under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."

When asked how Russia should react to his vision of the future, Panarin said: "Develop the ruble as a regional currency. Create a fully functioning oil exchange, trading in rubles... We must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."

Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

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» I want the Northwest Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» Cascadia Movement Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: Cascadia Movement??? Posted by: Last Chance
» woo hoo! i want VeganVille!! Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: woo hoo! i want VeganVille!! Posted by: Last Chance
"there is no incentive to consume/spend today as prices will be lower tomorrow."
Posted by: CHD on Nov 28, 2008 7:46 AM   
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there is no incentive to consume/spend today as prices will be lower tomorrow.

This is already the case with most 'things' people buy. And who has equity in a car anyway? They are worth less than you payed for them the second you drive it off the forecourt (new or 2nd hand).
That Plasma screen TV you got last year - probably 50%-75% of the price today. Your second hand one worth less again...

The only people who really have problems with house price deflation are those in negative equity who have the house repossessed who still owe money (although the stigma of being a bankrupt is much lower here in the UK these days and i believe that its even less so in the US) or those who 'have' to move and cannot cover the debt in some way.

The rest of the people service their mortgage, feel a bit bitter that those coming along later are getting better deals, and perhaps find a way to move up the housing ladder as the properties on the next rung up have also dropped in price.

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» Exactly correct analysis Posted by: billwald
No need for radical solutions. Just shut up and be frugal.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 28, 2008 7:54 AM   
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That alone will make it easier to nail the scumbags responsible for dinging and donging the dollar's value.

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» frugal? Posted by: jon B
Radical Idea
Posted by: klumberg on Nov 28, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Why not nationalize the Federal Reserve, and allow the Treasury to take over the control of our monetary system. Treasury could print money interest free and spend it into circulation. They could start with a massive public works project to rebuild the infrastructure of this country. I seem to recall that it would take around 1.6 trillion dollars to do this. This would increase employment and demand for the goods sitting in warehouses. A national health care system and free education could also be implemented using interest free money printed by the Treasury. This would decrease the cost of doing business for US companies drastically and provide for a more skilled and productive work force. In the long run, a plan like this coupled with revamped trade policy could make the US a viable entity once again. Here is one plan outlining a way to move toward public money: Plan

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» RE: adical Idea Posted by: joebhed
Here we go again!
Posted by: Last Chance on Nov 28, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Soviet Imperialism has morphed easily into Russian Imperialism. Same ravenous bear, different flag.

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» RE: Here we go again! Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: Here we go again! Posted by: Last Chance
Author should get some facts straight
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 28, 2008 11:09 AM   
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Deflation? The PPI and CPI are phony numbers that have no relevance in the real world. Inflation was at least twice the published rate before oil prices started to fall.

The monetary base has increased astronomically in the past 2 months. Increased money supply IS the ultimate cause of price inflation.

Commodities prices are being "managed" by the Federal Reserve, much to the anger of the Russians, Central Europeans, many oil producers. There is a rumor that members of this group are going to assault the dollar by demanding gold from COMEX futures contracts. (The short sides of the gold and silver contracts are "naked", so that they'll have trouble delivering the gold or silver, forcing the free market price up and revealing the "deflation" scam as so much BS.)

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» RE: A run on Comex Posted by: ReallyBearish
We're all broke
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 28, 2008 11:31 AM   
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The debt deflation Roubini talks about seems to apply primarily to house mortgages and car loans. These are fixed amounts unless you have an ARM. It doesn't apply to credit card debt. What the credit card companies have been doing is to raise the percentage they charge and up their fees. I keep sending them the minimum, which is all I can afford, but what I owe barely goes down even if I charge nothing. As all my other expenses rise--the ones I need to pay in order to live--any incentive to keep paying credit card debt disappears. I expect that the next shoe to fall will be all the people like me who can no longer afford to pay all their bills. No wonder Citibank wants a loan now.

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» RE: We're all broke Posted by: Von
Same old story and around again.
Posted by: Last Chance on Nov 28, 2008 11:39 AM   
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I believe in the equal sharing of income and labor, but most people hate the very idea because it blocks their desire to make lots of money. So, the capitalist system goes right on booming and busting as it always has and the people go right on reaching for lifestyles of the rich and famous and getting nowhere fast.

It would be wiser to form a network of self-reliant villages where the people take good care of each other while growing their own food, making their own clothes, etc. -- but they're addicted to money and that takes them up and down the business cycle, flush one year, broke the next. So, they have their dreams of hitting the lottery, the worst odds of any game in town. Oh well, that's the way of the World, but not forever as 7, 8, 9, 10 billion people devour and trash the Earth.

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Oh, it's worse than that ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 28, 2008 12:16 PM   
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From the article:
"Second, when there is deflation, there is no incentive to consume/spend today as prices will be lower tomorrow."

When people are being thrown out of work and nobody's job is safe, there is no incentive to consume AT ALL.

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the week american real economy went south-the stock market had the highest rise-itis a fraudulent ec
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 28, 2008 12:28 PM   
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in 1998 asian and russian crisisi-caused by the anglosaxon bastrds-did nto affect thse england and usa-but when the real crisis has affected england and usa it has harmed the asian countries more than the stock amrket of england and usa.
stock market in anglosaxon countries had a biggest rise in 20 years on the week that britana nd usa economy was seen to be broke completely.
waht sort of economy and glabalisation is this that harms only the non anglosaxon countries?
itis a shaame and fraud.

According to Song's book, a small group of European bankers from the period of Napoleon in the early 19th century has gradually gained control of the central banks of the United Kingdom, continental countries, and then North America. With their control of wealth, they secretly established a wide network of politicians, financiers and media moguls. Song links major events in modern history, such as the American Civil War, the two world wars, the Great Depression of the 1930s, the oil crises of the 1970s and the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990s, to the manipulation of a handful of Western private bankers.

Japan's economic recession in Japan since the 1990s and the Asian financial crisis starting in 1997, according to Song, were also outcomes of "currency wars" waged by this cabal of global financiers to destroy Asia's "miracle economies".

The author predicts at the end of the book that China would be the next target. The country's huge foreign exchange reserves could sharply "shrink" in value if the yuan was forced to revalue rapidly (which could also be done by a quick devaluation of the US dollar). To avoid losses caused by such a possible currency war against the country, he advised that China adopt the gold reserve.

from---


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/JK06Cb01.html


Nov 6, 2008

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===Japan’s yen crisis – payback for the “carry trade”

Nowhere has this been more the case in Japan, whose economy has remained in the doldrums ever since its bubble burst in 1990. For seventeen years straight, quarter after quarter, Japanese land prices fell, and so did stock market prices – and hence, the collateral pledged as backing for loans. This quickly left Japan’s banks with negative equity. The Bank of Japan’s response was to devise a way for them to rebuild their balance sheets – to “earn their way” out of the bad loans they had made.

The policy was not to revive the faltering domestic market in Japan or its industrial corporations. From 1945 through 1985, Japanese had a model industrial banking system. But in 1985, U.S. diplomats asked Japan to please commit economic suicide. Angered by the striking success of Japanese industry, U.S. officials asked their compliant Japanese counterparts to raise the yen’s exchange rate so as to make its industrial exporters less competitive, and in due course to flood its own economy with credit so as to lower interest rates, thereby enabling the Federal Reserve to flood the U.S. market with enough cheap credit to give a patina of prosperity to the Reagan Administration. This policy – announced in the Plaza Accord of 1985 – led economist David Hale to joke that the Bank of Japan was acting as the Thirteenth Federal Reserve District and the Japanese government as the Republican Re-election Committee.

Japan flooded its economy with credit, lowering interest rates and fueling the world’s largest real estate bubble of the 1980s.

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The Worst is Yet To Come!!!
Posted by: foius on Nov 28, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Although the article states that radical and even "crazy" economic measures must be taken by the Federal Government, the reality is that there is no "end" to this economic quagmire in sight. Where there was once some type of measure of continuity in financial, real-estate, and manufacturing markets, there is now a death knoll hovering over these markets that require a massive restructuring of debt, equity, toxic finance instruments, a re-organization of the real-estate market, and finally, a political pass on eliminating the overleveraged derivatives market. Until the American consumers debt obligations are essentially forgiven and an infrastructure, manufacturing jobs subsidization program is implemented to give over 20 million American workers good-paying jobs, there will be NO RECOVERY!!! There have been too many attempts to correct the financial markets, and the consumer debt markets without taking into consideration the short-term cash flow of the American worker. If there is no money in our pockets there will not be any goods and services bought at a level that will help the economy to grow. Disposable income must be made available to those who are the most likely to spend it (lower middle-income people). Without long-term job prospects for enough people, there can be no sustainable recovery. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that people need income security, stable jobs, and some type of home-equity that they can rely upon. Propping up creditors (banks, investment houses,S&L's, finance companies, credit-card companies, and peripheral finance corporations) will produce no economic recovery in the short-term or any other term. Investing in the American worker/consumer is the only way. Universal Health-care, universal free education (including post-secondary), universal housing(subsidized home-ownership/rentals), and full employment for all 120 Million Americans is the only way to a sustainable economic recovery that will put America back in the forefront of economic growth.

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» Don't take My Word For It Posted by: joebhed
despite thousand of billions dollars pushed into economy-the dollar is going up-stock market is up!
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 28, 2008 12:36 PM   
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it is a vodoo economics or rather the fraudulant stock market economy done especially to suck the money from the asian and others to fiannce the parasstic england and usa.

According to Song's book, a small group of European bankers from the period of Napoleon in the early 19th century has gradually gained control of the central banks of the United Kingdom, continental countries, and then North America. With their control of wealth, they secretly established a wide network of politicians, financiers and media moguls. Song links major events in modern history, such as the American Civil War, the two world wars, the Great Depression of the 1930s, the oil crises of the 1970s and the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990s, to the manipulation of a handful of Western private bankers.

Japan's economic recession in Japan since the 1990s and the Asian financial crisis starting in 1997, according to Song, were also outcomes of "currency wars" waged by this cabal of global financiers to destroy Asia's "miracle economies".

The author predicts at the end of the book that China would be the next target. The country's huge foreign exchange reserves could sharply "shrink" in value if the yuan was forced to revalue rapidly (which could also be done by a quick devaluation of the US dollar). To avoid losses caused by such a possible currency war against the country, he advised that China adopt the gold reserve.

from---


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/JK06Cb01.html


Nov 6, 2008

=================================


===Japan’s yen crisis – payback for the “carry trade”

Nowhere has this been more the case in Japan, whose economy has remained in the doldrums ever since its bubble burst in 1990. For seventeen years straight, quarter after quarter, Japanese land prices fell, and so did stock market prices – and hence, the collateral pledged as backing for loans. This quickly left Japan’s banks with negative equity. The Bank of Japan’s response was to devise a way for them to rebuild their balance sheets – to “earn their way” out of the bad loans they had made.

The policy was not to revive the faltering domestic market in Japan or its industrial corporations. From 1945 through 1985, Japanese had a model industrial banking system. But in 1985, U.S. diplomats asked Japan to please commit economic suicide. Angered by the striking success of Japanese industry, U.S. officials asked their compliant Japanese counterparts to raise the yen’s exchange rate so as to make its industrial exporters less competitive, and in due course to flood its own economy with credit so as to lower interest rates, thereby enabling the Federal Reserve to flood the U.S. market with enough cheap credit to give a patina of prosperity to the Reagan Administration. This policy – announced in the Plaza Accord of 1985 – led economist David Hale to joke that the Bank of Japan was acting as the Thirteenth Federal Reserve District and the Japanese government as the Republican Re-election Committee.

Japan flooded its economy with credit, lowering interest rates and fueling the world’s largest real estate bubble of the 1980s.

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You want a radical solution?
Posted by: bandz on Nov 28, 2008 3:57 PM   
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Bailing out Wall Street is like trying to bail out the sinking Titanic! It won't work. We need to throw life jackets to those about to go under and pull them into a lifeboat before they freeze.

You want a radical solution to our financial mess? Try this: 1)Instead of giving financial help to fat cat individuals and corporations, the federal government gives $1 million (yes, that's 1 million dollars) to every registered voter in the country with an income of less than $150 thousand per year. Most of that would get spent -- and here in this country -- thus giving the economy a needed lift. [And it would cost far less than the recently authorized bailouts, which should be rescinded.]

2)Then reform the tax system into a truly progressive income tax, repealing all the Bush tax breaks for millionaires and corporations, and making cuts in income taxes for those making under $100 thousand per year. 3)Institute a new CCC-type program to get our infrastructure repaired and improved. 4)Slap tough regulations on polluters and give breaks to "green" energy programs, and 5)[maybe most important] scrap our present medical insurance programs, instituting a universal, comprehensive, national, single-payer, not-for-profit medical insurance program.

Actually, the more I think about it, those are not "radical" solutions -- they're just plain common sense solutions.

bandz in Arizona

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» RE: You want a radical solution? Posted by: richholland
Solution for the financial crisis
Posted by: isoptera@mchsi.com on Nov 29, 2008 1:01 PM   
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The only important consideration for the happiness of citizens is that their income not be cut off. This translates for most citizens to not being without a job. So the solution to that problem would be to mandate time and a half overtime for all time over 6 hours per day or 4 days per week Unemployment would disappear overnight, along with onerous state unemployment payments. Don’t for one second think we can not support ourselves with such a time proposal. Modern society is enormously productive. Everyone could live in comfort with such work weeks. I am not saying we could support luxuries like gambling casinos, whorehouses, huge mansions, and space exploration to an unlimited extent, but everything that counts to make people safe and well fed would be easily obtained. People could even gamble by card games in their own homes if they wished (I leave it to their imaginations how to solve the loss of the whorehouses). Of course it would be necessary to HAVE their own homes for that. Foreclosure could be prevented by the federal government paying the full amount immediately (thus bank liquidity solved) provided the owner agreed to pay back by an agreement to pay 20% or so additional income tax, which would include principle amortization, 6% or so interest, and life insurance to cover remaining principle. That would eliminate most foreclosures. It would also eliminate federal loss with citizens having a whole life time to pay back if necessary. Sincerely, Charles Weber

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Consumer Spending Powers 2/3 of the American Economy
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 29, 2008 4:54 PM   
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When consumers are broke or scared or have no credit left or they are UNEMPLOYED --they don't spend money.

The stupid know it all yuppies from the elite business schools who are supposed to run our financial markets should have KNOWN THIS!

They were all out for themselves and their GREED and a lot of that missing money that they stole is in the Cayman Islands and other off-shore banks waiting for them when our economy tanks and they can flee the country and the chaos they have created.

IT SEEMS THAT THEY FORGOT HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE RELY TOO MUCH ON CREDIT WITHOUT SOMETHING TO BACK THAT CREDIT UP AND SO IT BIT THEM IN THE ASS.

Unfortunately, it took the little people like me down with it!

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you sound like the main street media
Posted by: jon B on Nov 30, 2008 2:02 PM   
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But it's OK to have bailed out all the fat cats on Wall Street? And those bailouts have very little conditions to the money.

Who are you for anyway, people who work in Gucchi's in New York or people who work in jeans in manufacturing? Seems you're the elitist.

By the way, are you aware that Germany has just recently given a bailout loan to its auto companies?

And a final question. If we allow the Detroit auto companies to fail by refusing to give them a bridge loan, how long do you think the foreign auto plants will think it necessary to keep their plants in the U.S. when they don't have American competition anymore? In other words, why wouldn't they outsource to cheaper wage nations like they already do for other plants?

The answer. Only as long as the states that the plants reside in keep handing them tax breaks. Oh yeah, it's OK for individual states to subsidize foreign auto makers, but not for our federal government to give a bridge loan to American companies.

And speaking of political connections, many of the politicians who are ardently most opposed to the bridge loans are the ones with foreign auto plants in their states.

The fiction being plied by people like you is that only the American auto companies are in trouble. Wrong. They all are. Sales are down across the board, every maker. Germany has helped their companies.

And unlike the Wall Street bailouts, the Detroit companies are going to have to submit to all sorts of conditions for a loan, not a Wall Street silver platter hand out.

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It's about time a professional economist talked seriously about deflation and the risk of depression
Posted by: yellow on Nov 30, 2008 2:04 PM   
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I've been say routinely what Roubini has written about in this piece; that a debt deflation, which will effectively raise interest rates through the back door by deflating the financial and real asset values of consumers and investors so that prices and wages spiral downward, money becomes increasingly expensive, the very opposite of what happens in runaway inflation whereby money becomes worthless as prices spiral ever upwards. Roubini is correct that this is precisely the current danger. Only Keynesian demand stimulus solutions coupled with financial regulation can solve the crisis and restore stability to the US economy.

Common explanations for the current financial crisis place the root of the problem in the mid-1990s, with Greenspans low real interest rates and monetary ease which ostensibly created asset price bubbles which eventually burst taking the whole economy down in the process. This simply is not the case. In the first place real interest rates were high compared to what they were in the first forty years of the post WWII era. Yields on ten year treasurey notes were 1.6% in the 1960s vs. over 3.5% in the 1990s. Furthermore, inflation was almost negative in the late 1990s.

The real source of the problem according to Levy Economics Institute economist, L. Randall Wray is that "Money manager capitalism--charactorized by highly leveraged funds in an environment that systematically underprices risk--has resulted in a series of boom and bust cycles in equities, real estate and commodities." The emergence of this global casino economy is itself based upon complex institutional arrangements whereby manufacturing is offshored to low wage areas and financial capital is freed up to become highly mobile in order to generate sufficient credit markets to support the global circuits of finished consumer goods sales in the absence of effective consumer demand. In other words, the currrent period of chronic stagnation, due to growing income and wealth inequality over the past 30 years, has necessitated a financialized global economy to compensate for low real middle class incomes in order to provide the credit markets needed to provide the purchasing power to soak up the output of transnational corporate manufacturing investment. The deepening of global financial markets have led to bubbles and instability due to ongoing, leveraged investment in financial assets. Speculation was market driven not created by distorted monetary policies.

The crash will bring deflation and depression if not checked by government intervention to create productive employment and growth and restructure the financial sector. Monetary tightening will only worsen the situation and it misses the point of the roots of the problem to boot.

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ReformerRay
Posted by: ReformerRay on Dec 2, 2008 8:16 AM   
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All of the solutions proposed above involve manuplation of the financial sector.

Suppose we ignore the financial sector, agree that deflation will be the future reality, and change conditions today that will move the economy forward, even after deflation is a realtiy.

1) Reduce imports into the U.S. by imposing a tariff of all imports produced in the 5 countries of China, Japan, Germany, Canada and Mexico. Remove all other restraints on imports from all other countries. Why discriminate against those 5 countries and not others? Those 5 countries had the largests trade surplus with the U.S. in 2005 - collectively accounting for 60% of the U.S.
trade deficit.

2) Refuse to enforce in the U.S. courts any contract protected (or covered) by the Comodities Future Modernization Act of 2000, unless a copy of said contract is in the posssession of the Federal Depository Insurance Corporation. Public knowledge about the distribution of "toxic assets" on the books of private firms will allow sound banks to avoid unsound firms and thus get the credit system back in operation.

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Easy, Fed buys U.S. debt; U.S. spends it on domestic jobs in factories, mines and family farms
Posted by: scott.gregory on Dec 2, 2008 8:58 AM   
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There is nothing about the situation that is not fixable. Here's how: (1) The Federal Reserve "monetizes" the federal debt, directly buying U.S. Treasury securities (rather than the Treasury "selling' debt to private parties by auction). Then the U.S. Government on the fiscal side must spend that money to create jobs in domestic factories, mines, and family farms, NO SERVICE JOBS NEEDED!
The U.S government could establish a series of regional development banks and make loans and even grants to firms, primarily with a cooperative or employee-owned enterprise structure.
That would have the added plus of (1) freeing the domestic economy from the control of the stock market (of long-term value in the re-creation and protection of the middle class) and (2) working toward national economic self-sufficiency.
Passing HR676 creating a national health system would save about $400 billion a year; $600 billion could be cut from the military expenditures - a great plus all the way around (...the world!)

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reinstate welfare
Posted by: cori on Dec 6, 2008 2:26 PM   
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Let’s stop beating around the bush. We need to reinstate welfare. We need to build homes for the homeless, provide job training, provide daycare, and programs that save people's lives. Welfare, in spite of its flaws, was only a small fraction of our national budget. We need to provide financial safety nets for people and provide programs that offer people jobs period end of story. We should not be putting billions into Wall Street while our society is crumbling. Welfare for the people looks like dust on a windshield compared to corporate welfare. It's OK to hand out 700 billion to business people with no oversight but it’s alright to let the rest of us stave in the gutter!

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