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I'm an American Worker and I'm Tired of Getting Screwed

By Rick Kepler, TruthOut.org. Posted November 22, 2008.


The American worker doesn't want a handout. Never did. We do want a hand up from our government.

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I am an American worker, and you are damn right I want the wealth to be shared and spread. I am talking about the wealth my hard work helped to create, but was taken from me by George Bush's base, the very rich, or as I know them, my corporate bosses. For the past eight years I have watched W.'s and McCain's (Country Club First) base grab the largest share of our country's wealth. Where did they take it from? They took it from my family's pocketbook, and my co-workers' families' pocketbooks. They stole the wealth that I was trying to build for me and my family when they stripped my pension plan from me and told me to invest in a 401k. Then they stole most of that 401k and other workers' 401k savings with this economic meltdown. This was a massive transfer of wealth from the workers' pockets into the already stuffed pockets of the rich. My retirement savings and my coworkers' savings all across America have been looted by the corporate bosses, who just got bailed out while we got left out. Again!

The American worker, whether black, brown, white, red, yellow, or rainbow color, has been fleeced over these past eight years. We are the ones who go to work every day. We don't own our places of work, nor do we help manage them. We just go in and do the job. And we must be doing one hell of a good job because we are told that we are the most productive workers in the world. We are working longer and harder, but our paychecks keep shrinking! Where are those productivity gains going then? Not into our pockets. Our standard of living has been going down these past eight years ($2,000 less in family income since W. took office) This is another damn transfer of wealth into the hands of the extremely rich.

Their greed is insatiable. Take our family's health care. They do. They keep passing on their increased costs to us, or they just drop coverage for the worker completely. That means we either join the 50,000,000 who have no health care, or we end up having to buy it privately, thus eating up a huge portion of our family's income. If we manage to hang onto our health care plans, our deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pay contributions keep skyrocketing. This amounts to another massive transfer of wealth from our pockets into the overflowing pockets of our corporate bosses.

The list goes on for the American worker. We saw overtime pay stripped from millions of workers during this past nightmare eight years. The worker was still working overtime, but due to a new "boss law" passed by W. and McCain's party that assists these thieves, the workers didn't receive overtime pay because they were declared exempt. They also weakened the workers' health and safety standards or just plain didn't enforce the laws already on the books. As a result, the American worker pays the price in lost days due to accidents from unsafe conditions or from lingering, expensive illnesses suffered from unhealthy working conditions. This too is a massive transfer of wealth from our pockets into our corporate bosses' bulging pockets.

To further sweeten their own pots, they took full-time jobs and converted them to part-time with no benefits, or they just made their employees line up and reapply for their exact same jobs at half the pay. Are we beginning to see what a true transfer of wealth looks like? So, do I want to see a spreading of the wealth? You bet your sweet hind-end I do. But all I ask of Obama is to give me and my co-workers the ability to retrieve some of the wealth that has been stolen from us.

Strengthen the laws that give workers the right to organize and bargain for a contract with our bosses. The current laws on the books have been torn to shreds by W. and McCain on behalf of their base. This is just part of their attack on American workers. Under globalization, the bosses seek a much cheaper workforce, which always means non-union, which means "can't fight back." That is why they have gutted the laws that protect workers. The laws that once gave us a level playing field with our bosses have been rendered useless, including our legal right to strike. That law said I had a right to strike, and could.

The American worker doesn't want a handout. Never did. We do want a hand up from our government. We still believe and have hope that this is a government of, by and for the people. We do want to know that our government will finally stand with us against this onslaught, this Robin Hood in reverse, being conducted by the bosses against the workers. The bosses know that W. and McCain have been on their side for the past eight years - and so do we workers. We just want our government to now stand on our side as we stand up against this corporate attempt to create third world working conditions right here in America. Restore our right to fight for a better living for ourselves and our families, and let the power of pissed-off workers, united in struggle, spread corporate America's stolen wealth back into the pockets of those whose pockets got picked these last eight years - the American worker.


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Rick Kepler has driven beer trucks in New Orleans, Louisiana; Colorado Springs, Colorado and Oakland, California. He has tended bar in San Francisco, and worked on the railroad and loading docks in Ohio. Currently he's a Teamsters organizer who speaks to thousands of unorganized workers every year.

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RE: Start by putting people who use illegal labor in prison.
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Nov 22, 2008 2:05 AM   
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Amen!!!!!!!

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RE: Start by putting people who use illegal labor in prison. Okay, then explain the rest.
Posted by: Beck on Nov 22, 2008 5:47 AM   
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Show me some numbers, not just emotion. Crunch for us here. I'd like to see it all balanced out, as you see it. Factor in CEO salaries (how many line jobs would be created if each CEO gave up a meaningless, for them million a year?), and their bonuses (how many factory jobs would be created if each CEO nationwide gave up a meaningless, for them, million a year off their bonuses?), and I could keep repeating myself with their benefits packages, their travel, their pensions. And then compare it all to the amount illegal aliens are stealing from us.

The filthy rich of America appreciate you doing their arguing for them very, very much.

And by "meaningless", I refer to the fact that if you knocked not just a million but a few million from CEO's salary, benefits, etc., they wouldn't experience any change in luxury whatsoever. They wouldn't have to sell any houses or cars or take their kids out of Harvard. Yeah, send the few to prison who are caught hiring any worker illegally, or breaking any employment laws. Then check out the rest of the picture.

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RE: Start by putting people who use illegal labor in prison.
Posted by: AndyF on Nov 22, 2008 5:54 AM   
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OK. Now how do you do this? As an employer I have the applicants fill out their I9 and submit paperwork like a Social Security Card, drivers license, birth certificate or other forms of ID which are supposed to show that they are eligible to work in the US. Depending upon the documentation submitted by the applicant I need to get 1-3 different documents that will establish their identity and eligibility. I also need to check their SSN with the government to confirm that the SSN matches their name. If I get a "do not match" letter from the government, I need to do additional checks because a "do not match letter" cannot be used as a reason to deny employment (mainly because the SSN records and government responses to requests have an error rate in excess of 1%).

So with your idea that I should go to jail if I hire an illegal, I have a few choices: don't hire anyone who looks or sounds the least bit different; follow the law and roll the dice, because I will still be on the hook even if I didn't get a no match letter and I will also be on the hook for discrimination if I turn someone down because I got a no match letter; or go outside the system and hire off the books or do a work-around to get the employees classified as independent contractors and 1099 them.

How about instead having a more rational, calibrated, intelligent response which recognizes the need for immigration reform and recognizes that in many cases immigrants possess skills which are unique or in short supply in the domestic market. We should definitely enforce existing laws and hold managers and owners responsible if their violations are intentional, especially if the objective is to drive down compensation.

Regarding your comment about Microsoft, have you ever looked at who studies computer science in the US? I'll give you a hint - mainly the people you are complaining about. If more US students were willing to suck it up and complete technical undergraduate programs the justification for expanding the H1B programs would go away.

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RE: Divide and Rule Tactics,Sure Work Well On You.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Nov 22, 2008 12:37 PM   
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Your a willing victim aren't you!Buying into the far right propaganda,that lets the real theives carry on looting,by turning your ire,on the vulnerable.They must be a much easier target for you,than those scary big boys,who run and own the commanding heights of the economy.
One "Fox News,Order of the Brown Nose" award (OBN),coming your way,for being such a good slave and pawn.Thats all you are going to get.
Keep on a kickin,and bullying the poor,you are playing a vital role,in helping the undeserving parasites keeping the billions they have looted.
Stick with the rich..as you obviously like being a weak bully.

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More laws! More prisons! More regulations! And print up a bunch of money!!!
Posted by: eeezzz on Nov 22, 2008 1:11 PM   
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How depressing.

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RE: Start by putting people who use illegal labor in prison.
Posted by: Ethical1 on Nov 24, 2008 7:21 AM   
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As a professional resume writer who specializes in technology writing, I can attest to the need for an overhaul to the H1B system.

Employers perpetuate the myth that there are no qualified American workers by posting job opportunities that require an experience composit no one can match. They systematically interview a pool of applicants only to diqualify them because they don't have the requisite 2+ years experience in Oracle 11i (only introduced a little over a year ago, so who could have 2+ years experience in it?) so they can complete the required paperwork to use an H1B applicant.

There are HR consulting companies out there teaching companies how to do this!

I've been training professionals to combat this problem by performing online research at LinkedIn.com to find out who ended up in the open position to see if this illegal practice was done to them and to take legal action. Against the law is against the law no matter how sneaky it is performed. The net is too transparent for this kind of baloney to continue.

IF THE GOVERNMENT WON'T PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO WORK FROM CORPORATIONS, THEN YOU MUST DO SO YOURSELF. Just like every other issue we citizens are working to resolve without assistance from our government.

Pretend you have no government sponsorship and begin devising ways to right the wrongs in groups of grass-roots movements. Otherwise, nothing will improve. BO's picks for his cabinet indicate we are heading for pretty much the same old reaming with a softer, gentler feel, still, a reaming just the same.

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RE: Start by putting people who use illegal labor in prison.
Posted by: Knot_Rich on Nov 25, 2008 11:10 AM   
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There are plenty of jobs to go around, trouble is we outsourced them all to China, Pakistan, Bahrain, Mexico, India, every armpit country on the planet as long as the people will work for practically nothing. Another thousand jobs sent by someone to India, another thousand unemployed or underemployed Americans. A thousand here, 2 thousand there before you know it you have a million, then 2 million, and now, the light comes on, American business has outsourced it's customer base. That Chinese guy they're paying isn't returning his earnings back into the American economy, he's not paying American taxes, not paying to support our local businesses, police, fire protection, build our schools, pay our teachers. Nope, the guy who used to do that is unemployed or a greeter at Walmart, and now he can't afford to buy your products. People don't buy cheap bottom of the barrel Kia's because it's their dream car, they buy it because they can no longer afford a Pontiac. So plants and mills across America close, they drop off the tax rolls, taxes shift to the homeowner who is already struggling, he stops shopping and going out to eat, local businesses close causing more unemployed people, and the snowball turns into an avalanche. Next time you go to the store and choose a foreign made item over American made, stop and think, who would you rather employ, your neighbor who puts his money back into the American economy, or someone in China. The choice is ours. Our willingness to screw our neighbor so we can save a buck is killing us. The next job outsourced may be yours, it's happening every day. Look folks, if we don't start looking after ourselves, our country, our jobs, our neighbors, we're going to continue to go down the drain, and in another decade we'll be owned by China, bought and paid for, because we were so willing to sell ourselves out for a cheap trinkit. Middle class consumers drive 2/3 of the economy, Wall Street can push all the paper around it wants, no goods move, the economy grinds to a halt, as we're seeing. No middle class jobs, no middle class consumers. The buck stops here.
A side note, now's the time to remember Circuit City. Remember, just a couple years ago, they were the chain that laid off all it's full time sales employees so it could replace them with cheaper employees, and the employees they laid off could reapply to come back to work at a cheaper pay. Now is the time to let them know what you think of businesses who treat their employees like that. If the working people don't stand together, it's only a matter of time before we all get the same treatment. Boycott Circuit City.

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Won't work
Posted by: US Citizen 07 on Nov 22, 2008 3:17 AM   
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I totally agree with your opinion but the reason it can nor work is because of WTO and NAFTA implemented by Bush Sr..

Actually, that is in a large part, of what created this mess. Corporate explotation of the world market for profit.

As long as companies have the privilage of building overseas and exploting the extreme poor for cheap labor, it will not change.

Now these people can not support their families on these wages, but it the only thing keep them from starvation, so they take it.

For example, when company X can go to China or other places and hire people who will work for $40 a week or less, work them 12 hours a day and NO benefits, why would they hire Americans for the same job.

The only way this extortion from big business will end is to either apply enough plenty to these companies to make overseas producting less appealing, or to help the contries organize and demand a living wage.

Unfortunately, they are less apt to do that as over in some of these places it could get you killed.

So, what do we do with this problem.

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» RE: Won't work Posted by: US Citizen 07
» RE: Won't work Posted by: Von
» RE: Won't work Posted by: Knot_Rich
Reason the REpugs want the Big 3 to go Bankrupt
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 22, 2008 3:44 AM   
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Don't you too find it interesting that all of a sudden th eRepugs don't want to loan money to the Big 3....What I understand the Loan is to shore up the Retirment Health fund. Now the resistence makes more sense.Why did we hear nothing about th efirst 25 billion, Granted without so much as a peep from Congress. Oh Yeah that was another injection for 'Retooling' purposes. I could swear I've heard that excuse before from the top brass- What happened to that infusiion of cash...New Lear jet?
What makes even Less Sense is the fact the Congress is willing to give money to 'Retool', Yet not money to keep workers on to aid in the conversion or work the 'new' system.
What would bankruptcy accomplish....Screwing workers and Suppliers (small Business).
There i s a element in Congress which does not Support Americna Workers or Americna Small Business, ONLY Multinational Corps. Through their efforts these Corps have been allowed to ship our jobs 'overseas' (or south), stagnate wages, cut bennies and retirment packages. Thus effectively lowing American Worker standards and compensation to that of Thrid World Countries. Is America supposed to be the 'Beacon of Hope for Humanity' are We not the 'gold Standard' by which other people and countries assess their progress?
The Repugs LOVE to claim they are 'Free market' advocates...But what dispells this LIE is that they have intentionally strangled Free market Access to Individuals- workers and Small Business. The 'Free Market' idea was Developed ONLY For Citizens, Not Incs- esp not multinational Incs. 'Trickle Down' is innately a feudalistic Caste System- The EXACT Socio- economic Situation which our ancestors Fled. What Trickle Down has also aided is the attempt to barr most from accessing the Democratic Process to...Until Obama's campaign only Big donors determined Who could 'afford' to win a Pres (or any other) election. there has developed not only a vast chasm between the 'upper' and 'Lower' Economic stratas, but also the ability of the 'lowers' to gain a Voice or any influence over that which controls their daily lives.Again Exactly the same system our foreFathers left to build a Free Market Democracy....thus is this not Essentially TREASON?

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» Wake up Michigan Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
Grace Slick put it so well when she said...
Posted by: smendler on Nov 22, 2008 4:15 AM   
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"I don't mind getting screwed, but I would like to come once in a while."

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Yeah, because that worked so well before...
Posted by: ahmlco on Nov 22, 2008 4:28 AM   
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"Strengthen the laws that give workers the right to organize and bargain for a contract with our bosses."

Sorry, but equally greedy unions interested primarily in perpetuating their own power are part of what got us into this mess. Do you realize that a FLOOR SWEEPER in a union auto plant is required to be paid $34 a hour? A FLOOR SWEEPER.

More wages. More breaks. More health care. More retirement benefits. Demand more, said the unions. You deserve more. You're ENTITLED to it. More, more, more. Did you know that $2,000 of the price of one of GM's SUVs goes solely to providing health care for RETIRED workers?

I notice that employees working in non-union US-based Honda and Toyota plants seem to be doing fairly well. What happened to Ford and GM?

Unions. Who've pretty much managed to kill the golden goose.

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» Average UAW wages are $27/hr Posted by: WhatNow?
» Documentation please... Posted by: Artkansas
I'm an American Worker and I'm Tired of Getting Screwed
Posted by: bitsfick on Nov 22, 2008 4:39 AM   
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Then start voting your pocketbook, not your racism, religion, bigotry, homophobia, and all the other things that you think are more important than feeding your family. Until you figure out that your first obligation is to your family and yourself, not your god you will continue to get screwed.

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Jimmy Hoffa was a badass little shit but he seldom lied, conciously! Preverications . . . . eh!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 22, 2008 4:58 AM   
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One of his funniest and favourites was: "I may have many faults, but being wrong ain't one of them!" Another and much darker one was late in his career before the imprisionment. It goes like this: "What these mokes gotta understand is that making deals with the Federal Transport devil takes grease for the cogs and THAT has to come from ALL the union members! If they don't pay they can't play!"

If we were Romans I would whole heartily agree with being in a Union, even Gladiators had them. But, this is fucking America not Rome and we wrote getting fucked by someone into the game at the very beginning. I believe in a days pay for a days work, if some Caesar wants his taxes let him show up and pry them from my hand himself.

For me I stopped dealing in cash before many of you were born I use barter or work for "things", services, and food. "No tickee no laundly!"

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Screwed
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 22, 2008 5:13 AM   
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The concentration of wealth has been underway since the mid 70s, so Carter and most definitely Clinton were complicit. GWB may be a greater evil, but this article seems to reduce a deep, long-term, systemic, cultural problem to 8 years and one small group of crooks.

Secondly, it wasn't exactly stolen, but politely--and often enthusiastically--handed over by US voters--including working folks--since Reagan.

It's beyond cliche to say the enemy is us, but apparently there are those who still don't get it. If you vote out that tiny elite which took all of your money, another will be along to replace it before you can blink, so long as there are suckers who fall for the same crap every time. If you're tired of getting screwed, go slap some sense into your next door neighbor, who also drives a beer truck, but who thinks the blacks, the gays, migrant workers, and blue-state intellectuals are the root of all evil.

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» RE: Screwed Posted by: ibelucky
You are sooooo right,
Posted by: maryyooch on Nov 22, 2008 7:09 AM   
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I couldn't have said it any better. Here I am, disabled, partly through my last employer, who laid me off from my job for (supossed) lack of work, only to give my job to his Vanderbilt going brat son.
I have severe hearing loss, the boss would totally humiliate me if he had to speak up. Also, I was doing the job of FOUR seperate people. Thats how my back got destroyed.
I tried to settle with them through an Atty. But, alas, you have to go to their MD. He did not give me an injury rating. When I finally went to an independant MD, it was found that I have nerve damage. But, because you have to go to their CORPORATE MD, who works for the CORPORATION, I got screwed out of any kind of compensation. Now I cannot sit for more than an hour, bend over at all, and need a cane most of the time just to walk. Thanks Bush and McCain! Oh yea, they finally threw me a bread crumb and extended my $169/wk unemployment.
By thr way, the boss and son who took away my livelyhood, quit their jobs a month later.

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NO BAILOUTS FROM GOV'T...*AT ALL!!!*
Posted by: alicelillie on Nov 22, 2008 8:04 AM   
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The "bailouts," read handouts, to the big guys is an outrage that most outside the establishment oppose. That includes you on the left and us libertarians.

I just got sick this morning hearing Bush at APEC talking the free market talk...

Most likely the left got sick too. But in my case it is because he never walked the walk.

I really believe that the left and the libertarians (as exemplified by Ron Paul) are really on the same page with these "bailouts."

The little guy is left out! The little guy, the hard working taxpayer, does not want a handout. What he or she wants, from what I hear, is to be able to keep his hard-earned money.

Obama is promising a tax cut for the middle class. I hope that happens, but I will believe it when I see it. I want to see *no* tax hike for the rich either, but what I want to see is for government to stay out of the way and not either take or give.

The writer said that the working person wanted to "distribute the wealth." If he or she is able to keep their earnings, then he can spend, save or distribute them the way he wants. It is good to give to the needy, to food banks and churches. But one cannot give what the government taxes away for wars and fat-cat bailouts.

Please see my blog that discusses economic issues by reviewing the works of Murray Rothbard.

http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com

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If your not part of the solution...there is a good reason your a "wage slave."
Posted by: eeezzz on Nov 22, 2008 8:43 AM   
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The American worker wants someone (anyone!) else to deal with the cut-throat global, financial, regulatory, logistical, and general overall difficlties of finding and creating well-paying, benefit generating, retirement enabling, guaranteed full-time "work." They want someone else to make sure that their working environment is warm and safe and cozy. They want someone else to calculate their taxes (several kinds of them now in various percentages) everyday and pay them into the system every week. They want someone else to tell them what to do and when to do it and how to do it. They want someone else to schedule thier working hours in a manner that is convenient to them and does not interfere with their prime time TV viewing hours. They want someone else to figure out the healthcare problem for them, and pay for everyting thing they require after 70% of them have stuffed themselves into a state of obesity sitting on their butts crying at work about how unfair everything is and how they deserve sooooo much more!
There are a million problems out there to be creatively dealt with and solved, but the American worker wants someone else to set up all of the solutions and allow the American worker to continue being an oblivious, spoon-fed, well paid, well taken care of, fat and happy, cog in the machine. Well, the machine is completely broken. There are literally billions of people all over the world that can do your job without all of the hassle.
The world has changed, and unless you want to continue being so 'taken advantage of' you need to change too.

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openeyes
Posted by: Openeyes on Nov 22, 2008 9:02 AM   
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When the tarrif system was removed, thank you Mr. Reagan, the wholesale exporting of American jobs began. When it becomes unprofitable to manufacture offshore you will see a resurgence of industry here. Higher prices for sure but a lot more people that can afford them. Aside from the loss of manufacturing ability in this country it then becomes a matter of national security. Our smart weapons now rely on components made in China for Christs sake! While the Unions are complicit in the greed structure they are also indirectly responsible for the benefits that those of us still working have. Imagine if there was no threat to an employer at all. Think the fatcats would willingly give you vacation days or what health care still exists? This has come about because we the people didn't pay attention. We let someone else take care of things. now we have secret prisons, torture, preemptive war and an almost third world economy. A functioning republic requires the attention of us all!!

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On the other hand . . . the American worker is stupid
Posted by: billwald on Nov 22, 2008 9:31 AM   
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I agree that our working class are getting screwed by the rich but at the same time the American workers are generally stupid. The American working class person doesn't know that he is a working class person. He is middle class. Why, he even paid for two years of community college to get the equivalent of a 1950's high school education.

Our typical com col "educated" middle class worker is to arrogant to join a union. He doesn't need a union. Middle class com col "educated" working class people are all better than average. 80% of all Americans think they are better than average. Even those making 10 bucks an hour.

11/22 Everett Herald had a story about the low price of gas. Gas station owner was quoted as saying that since the price of gas dropped, ciggy butt and drink sales have increased. Anyone who cares about the price of gas can't afford to buy drinks and ciggy butts at a convenience store. Anyone who does - I should feel sorry for you?

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Americans in general screwed
Posted by: harpy on Nov 22, 2008 9:41 AM   
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How come we can spend hundreds of billions on all kinds of things, even foreign aid, but when it's for Americans, whether it be food, healthcare, heat assistance, even infrastructure, we're told to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps!" Well, 'scuse me, but our tax dollars should be used to "ensure the general welfare" of the American people and country itself! We shouldn't be spending a cent anywhere until every American can go to the doctor without worrying about going bankrupt or being refused because of lack of money or pre-existing conditions. We shouldn't be spending billions to blow up countries and then pretend to rebuild them when our own infrastructure is falling to pieces. We shouldn't be sending aid without end to the rest of the world when we have people and VETERANS living in cardboard boxes and begging for food and being told they should just get a job.

Why is the mindset so backward when it comes to taking care of Americans? America First shouldn't be a campaign slogan - it should be policy! Our tax dollars should be used for the people and infrastructure of America. We don't have a choice about paying them and the money should come back to us!!

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Nationalize the auto industry, and energy, medicine, and bond rating, etc.
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 22, 2008 12:29 PM   
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How many more times do we need to witness the failure caused by labor greed pointing its fingers at management greed?

If workers think they can do a better job, then they ought to elect politicians who will let them try. "Too big to fail" no longer excuses socialism for private profit.

As with some of the other comments on this thread, however, it is not clear that the American worker wants anything except the role of dependent whiner. Blame the boss is a fraudulent as blame the union.

I am an American citizen/consumer and I am tired of being caught between labor and management. Nationalize, nationalize, nationalize. At least it would change the terms of the argument.

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Oh Really
Posted by: RedScare on Nov 22, 2008 12:30 PM   
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For those auto workers who complain about being paid so little in comparison to management, get over it. They're paid for their ideas and entrepreneurship. I'm not saying they have the best ideas but that Yale business degree gives them a little credibility. Maybe next time you should think about moving on past a few classes at the local community college.

But who am I to judge though? I'm just some idiot who realized that being a CPA would be better than being trapped in some factory complaining about low wages and crappy ass benefits. The partners at my firm earn well over 7 figures each year because of their ideas and their leadership. Sure, they have some off years but they've earned their money. Do I complain about my 90k per year while they go sailing in personal yachts off the Golden Coast each year? No. I'm a hard worker and not a whiner.

I realize that it is in the best interest of those who outsource these so-called "American" jobs to do so. The bottom line is profitability regardless of what business you're in. Not to make friends with the American people.

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Anyone ever hear of Ayn Rand, any one?
Posted by: wpfeffer666 on Nov 22, 2008 2:12 PM   
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Oh my for the hostility. I do agree that the big 3 automakers and the ilk of Bush's cronies should be placed into gen pop in some wonderfully out of the way, scenic federal prison for the fraud they have committed on the U.S. and the american public. However, you people keep asking for more money, more insurance, more overtime, less work, more time with families, etc. I have only one question; At who's expense? Who is going to pay out the money for your higher wages, "better" health care and so on? You say the corporations, ok, let's look at this from a purely economic stand point. Let's say that your salaries increase by 10%, now, apparently everyone here agrees that the CEOs and all the others at or near the top are a bunch of greedy bastards, so where do you think that 10% is going to come from? Well, in order for them not to feel the pinch, either some workers are going to be let go, or upgrades to machinery that would make the worker's live better or safer won't be purchased, or (and this is the most likely scenario) they increase the price of the automobiles by 15%, to make up not only for your 10% raise but also the extra money in FICA and other employee taxes that will have to be paid. So, now that the automakers have raised those prices one of two things will happen, either people will purchase fewer new vehicles, thus cutting back on production needs, thus causing less work needing to be, thus causing fewer employees needed and layoffs ensue, or in order to keep the purchasing power up of all other workers in the U.S., everybody else gets a 10% raise and the number of purchases of new vehicles does not decrease, but, all that does is leave you right where you began and that's call inflation. See, part of the beauty of a capitalist system is that as a worker you are able to move from one job to another. If you do not like your current job's pay rate, get a different job, if you don't like their healthcare plan, quit and get a different job that has the plan you want. Think about what you are asking for, and think about what is currently happening in the U.S. You are asking for socialism, all of you union people have been screaming for "job security" in that you can't be fired from a job without an act of congress, guaranteed wages, guaranteed work, guaranteed overtime, that people, is called socialism. Now look at what is happening right now, you have the government "bailing" out banks, investment brokers, insurance companies and now you want yours too? Now you want the government to bail the automakers? How much closer to socialism do you really want to get? You say you want the big 3 to be bailed out so that jobs aren't lost, ok, let's bail them out, you get to keep your jobs and you seem to think that will fix everything, even the reasons why we are currently in this mess. How long until the next cry for money? How long until you unions go the "bargaining" table asking for more money for your people? All that the bailouts are doing, and yes I mean all of the bailouts, is delaying the inevitable. Either this country is going to fall into a socialstic nightmare or people will wake up, let all the bastards burn and allow the market to shake it self out.

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» "You People?" Posted by: halg
Promote the general Welfare
Posted by: halg on Nov 22, 2008 2:55 PM   
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I didn't just make this up -- it's in the Preamble to our federal constitution. Why are we so ashamed of this? The founding fathers weren't, so I can't figure this out. Canadians speak proudly of their social welfare system, not inflecting a staining intonation of disgrace or embarrassment about it.

Promoting the general welfare means looking after the health of the citizens, seeing they are well fed and clothed, providing for them when they cannot find work, and yes, even paying them to stay home to raise children or to fund their college re-education for a new field. The wealth generated by millions of workers should be enjoyed by those workers, not hoarded by the wealthy to poor down their throats at $499 a bottle while the unemployed starve.

Workers are not supermen, nor should they be expected to be. If they are ignorant and make poor choices, then ask why their education was so poor. If they did not take advantage of their free educations, ask why they did not study harder and discover ways to help students study and learn more effectively. But don't blame them for not knowing what they don't already know. That is futile, and you look very silly trying.

Everything in this world is integrally linked together, so there is no point in trying to single out certain individuals or groups to blame. Let's use our collective brilliance and wisdom to develop new systems of economy and society that will better all of us. But don't abolish social welfare systems; they are essential to any sustainable systems we devise.

Promote the general welfare, ensure domestic tranquility, and be proud of it, America. Our founding fathers were!

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» THANK YOU, halg! Posted by: patsy6
» RE: THANK YOU, halg! Posted by: halg
Get an education
Posted by: ahmlco on Nov 22, 2008 3:14 PM   
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The idiots around here need to get it through their thick skulls that we're in a GLOBAL economy, and that there's no good reason for US companies to hire uneducated high-school dropouts. Or even barely educated high school graduates. The world's full of unskilled labor.

CHEAP unskilled labor.

The only thing most American labor has to its advantage is location: they're here in the US. They're not better educated, they're not harder workers, they don't have a better work ethic, they're simply here.

And that's no longer good enough.

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Security Officers are among the most Underappreciated, Exploited American Worker
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 22, 2008 3:52 PM   
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I managed to get a career in newspapers, the unsung,uncelebrated community weekly newspapers and did rather well at it until what I did became replaced by ONE person with a computer --and I managed to learn to do everything except put the plates on the printing press. OK,now what?
There were NO benefits like insurance and NO job security but IT WAS THE ONLY WORK I WAS ABLE TO FIND!

I next went into private security as a private security officer contracting service subcontractor and carried a firearm for twenty years ==doing EXACTLY the same stuff a small-town cop does and facing unbelievable HATRED and gender bias from male co-workers to the point to where after 20 years. I HAD ENOUGH!

(You are supposed to protect the accumulated riches of others with your life if necessary but are not paid enough and don't have enough free time to accumulate riches of your own --PLUS THERE IS NO RETIREMENT, NO HEALTH INSURANCE or "PERKS" as people know them here either.) I have known hundreds of people in Texas who have NEVER had a job with health insurance or benefits of any kind except what has been mandated by OSHA and Federal Wages and Hours and I was 30 years old before I found out about those! Did you know that your employer can take Social Security out of your check and KEEP it and that it is YOUR responsibility to insure that your employer is actually paying into YOUR Social Security account? I didn't until I checked into it and it was a security contracting company that was trying to keep my social security money!

You have to work overtime hours from hell to even begin to keep pace with the cost of living.

You are also treated like disposable,interchangeable GARBAGE with total disregard of how you perform your job. There are no job descriptions, no merit raises, no promotions, no seniority, no benefits.

Even worse, when you have been a Security officer more than a year or two, you will be AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEED a BAD JOB REFERENCE (because they want to keep you in bondage, so to speak, people who can get a commission to carry a firearm for what they pay are RARE!) and NOBODY wants to hire you in another industry because of the stereotypes of the man with the pint of hootch in the Captain Kangaroo-style uniform jacket ASLEEP on duty OR they think that only a knuckle-dragger with a minus IQ can do the job.

AND THIS IS APPARENTLY HOW ALL AMERICAN EMPLOYERS WANT TO TREAT THEIR EMPLOYEES --IF THEY CAN'T ELIMINATE THEM THROUGH TECHNOLOGY!

We can't all be in the health professions...

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Stand firm against the forces that seek to destroy
Posted by: beebette on Nov 22, 2008 5:45 PM   
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The article speaks the truth about what is actually happening to the workers of this country and continues. Ever notice how the media always demonizes the unions about making US products uncompetitive. Why are we NOT asking why the inflated salaries/benefits and bonuses of the managers are doing the same thing and more so. It is time for the workers to stand up and see that the managers make the incorrect business decisions which insist on the production of unwanted and unmarketable products.

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1. Unions good 2. CEOs bad 3. Life's really not that expensive.
Posted by: puf_almighty on Nov 22, 2008 7:36 PM   
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1. The unions are a way for workers to collectively bargain, in the way that the company is already doing. Unions even the negotiating field, and are the only way workers can avoid being exploited.

2. That these CEOs should be making millions of dollars, and talking about cutting labor costs? Look, even if you are burning only a fraction of your overhead in your CEO's pay, even if you are losing more money to the unions than you are to the CEO's, I don't care. Cut that evil bastard's pay to, hmm, say, a mere ten times my own, and then we'll talk about tightening some belts.
Unless you think he works ten times as hard as I do.

3. I'm working as an Americorps volunteer, around 55 hours a week making $1,200 a month, living in Austin, which is supposedly this hideously expensive city to live in. I'm making it just fine, because I keep my bills and expenses low. Granted, I don't have kids to raise. But I don't have house or car payments, because I have a bus pass and an apartment, and I don't have utility bills because I found a sweet "all bills paid" lease.

I've got two college degrees and have turned down far more lucrative jobs. I just don't understand why everyone's so run around by money all the time. You don't need that much. Sure, you can find a way to spend it all. But if you're smart, you won't.

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A revealing experiment
Posted by: PaulD on Nov 22, 2008 10:13 PM   
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There's a simple test that might show why the Big 3 are in a financial nosedive. Here it is: Commenters, please name the car(s) you own.

We own two Toyotas, one Honda, and one Chevy.

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» Nosedive Posted by: kepstein7777
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» RE: Fed up! Posted by: halg
to change things
Posted by: richholland on Nov 22, 2008 10:50 PM   
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you also must change your political views.

now you vote for the Democrated billionaires and they cannot help you. The only thing I fear for you is the creation of a third Party.

and start working less and live more.
read books how the scandinavian countries do their things and DONOT go with your army to foreign countries.

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Workers' rights? You don't have a friend in the white house...
Posted by: Farasien on Nov 22, 2008 10:52 PM   
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Sorry to burst the bubble of the author, but you aren't going to get much, if anything other than a weak, symbolic gesture from the incoming CEO in Chief- if even that... His campaign was bankrolled by the big businesses organized labor has been screwed royally by- corporations who are fighting like all hell to block or stop the EFCA like their lives depend on it. You can't trust a fox to guard the hen house, and no matter what the emperor elect says, he's as unlikely to revoke the wealth-grabbing, rights-destroying policies of and as the outgoing traitor would be. If you wanted real change, you voted for the wrong guy. Obama isn't any more of a progressive than mcInsane was.

Get ready for another 4 years of hell.

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Don't blame me...
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 23, 2008 6:00 AM   
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...I voted for Nader/Gonzales in '08

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justacitizen
Posted by: justacitizen on Nov 23, 2008 7:54 AM   
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The problem is the fed/treasury department. For thirty years, they have manipulated consumer spending by adjusting the interest rates. In periods of recession, they lower the interest rate as an incentive to increase consumer borrowing to increase spending. What should have been taking place is creating the incentive for corporations to increase wages to create spending. As a result of the path they chose, decreased spending on wages by corporations increases profit, which in turn increases share value. In other words, our government has helped take money away from our pockets and place it in the hands of the rich. As if that is not enough, you have the likes of W who pushed for and received a huge cut in dividend and capitol gains taxes.

In 1965, a brand new car cost (on average) $2,500, a 1000 sq ft house cost $12,000 and the average wage was $6,000 per year. Fast forward to today, a new car (conservatively) costs 25,000, a 1000 sq ft house costs 135,000. Where is our average wage? about $22,500.

I ascert the fed policy of the last 30 + years is the key stone of the wage disparity in this country, and until that is changed, we will never make progress on wages.

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Here is what will happen
Posted by: nfamous on Nov 24, 2008 4:16 AM   
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Americans are known for being the most vociferous complainers in the world since we have free speech or at least we did before Bush. Yes it is terrible the way corporations increase profits for the shareholders and CEOs at the expense of all its workers but we will not change that.

Americans as a whole cannot band together to solve anything. We have become dependent on government and completely divided. Few people want to hitch their wagon to anyone else's. We see our struggles as individual struggles because we have been socially engineered to do just that while we continue to deny the truth about what the elite do to our minds and bodies from behind the curtain. We are fools.

Corporations will continue to fleece Americans because Americans hate each other too much to unite against them. It will only get worse under Obama. Everything will be privatized including our water supply and we will beg the government for mercy within our lifetimes. This is what happens when the people are drugged up, hooked on consumerism and brainwashed from watching tv all the time. Who will change that? No one. Prepare for the end and it has nothing to do with religion.

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Ex high school quarterback?
Posted by: ahmlco on Nov 24, 2008 5:19 AM   
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"Rick Kepler has driven beer trucks in New Orleans, Louisiana; Colorado Springs, Colorado and Oakland, California. He has tended bar in San Francisco, and worked on the railroad and loading docks in Ohio. "

Odds are that he also played on the high school football team, skipped classes, and that he and his buddies thought education was a joke. And now believes that the unskilled uneducated "American Worker" is magically entitled to high wages and a decent living.

Sorry. Wrong. Thanks for playing.

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Ex high school quarterback?
Posted by: ahmlco on Nov 24, 2008 5:19 AM   
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"Rick Kepler has driven beer trucks in New Orleans, Louisiana; Colorado Springs, Colorado and Oakland, California. He has tended bar in San Francisco, and worked on the railroad and loading docks in Ohio. "

Odds are that he also played on the high school football team, skipped classes, and that he and his buddies thought education was a joke. And now believes that the unskilled uneducated "American Worker" is magically entitled to high wages and a decent living.

Sorry. Wrong. Thanks for playing.

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» RE: x high school quarterback? Posted by: nosmokes
The Enemy Within ! The Haves and The Have Nots
Posted by: ibelucky on Nov 24, 2008 7:07 AM   
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America Used to be the Land of the Free , but ask yourself are we really free ??? WEverthing in my house is made from a corporation , My home financed by the corporation , my car financed by a corporation , my bike financed by a corporation , my food when i buy i go to the corporation , when i need hardware its to the Home depot corporation , clothes the wall mart corporation , etc.....take alook around in your home what do you see ? So are we really free ??? Used to go to Joes auto shop to get your car worked on ...now its Les schaub , used to go to jims hardware to get a part for your home now its Home Depot , freds electronics is now Best Buy Corporation , its everywhere...Starbucks , OfficeMax , Ihop , Best Buy , Circuit City....I once had a dream of owning my own hardware store , now the only dream i have is working at home depot for low pay....Sams Club , Costco , ... The price of cars I cant belive....??? One thing for sure if they eliminate the middle class , there will be know RICH or POOR in the US.AS for going Third world i belive we are as well , i have been to 3rd world countrys its rich or poor...The only way we can stop this as consumers is start saving like are parents did , buy a 5,000 dollar car instead of a 20,000...etc...think of it if we the middle class cut up all are credit cards and pay cash for everthing excetpt the things we need , homes and cars...then prices will come down...20,000 dollar cars will be 10,000...300,000 dollar homes will be 150,000 , 4,000 dollar plasma TVs will be 1000...then we will be in ballance with our incomes...and it will KILL these large corporate domanant structures....and then we wont have to bow to the corporations and corporate prices and quit feeding the CEO and there golden parachutes...What scares me is everyone is counting on SSI to retire...IF we all count on that what do you think will happen ti SSI ???...No we need to change , and spread the word or there is going to be alot of homeless in the future...Lots of Rich CEO's and executives...and the poor people who made them rich...Quit signing your live away to the corporations if you cant pay cash for it dont buy it...Oh and the creditcards...The Banks Love US and you... :-) Peace

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» RE: Made from corporations... Posted by: ibelucky
allen
Posted by: pursah on Nov 24, 2008 3:28 PM   
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Taxpayer subsidies pay for globalization. Example, a shipping container goes from China to LA port, then by Interstate to Bigbox Store Distribution center,then by Inter4sate to local Big Box for you to buy. The maintenance of the port of LA is taxpayer funded, the building and maintenance of the interstate the container rides on is taxpayer funded. Port infrastructure and Interstate infrastructure cost billions to build and billions to maintain. The global infrastructure is taxpayer funded. In effect, the workers pays for their own displacement. And you thought that they built that highway so you could go on vacation once a year.

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» RE: allen Posted by: ibelucky