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Why We Shouldn't Bail Out GM

By Nicholas von Hoffman, The Nation. Posted November 20, 2008.


The bailout should be used to expand unemployment compensation instead of propping up a single, failing corporation.
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Now it is the auto parts suppliers who want government money. They employ 600,000 people, more than work for the automobile companies themselves.

If the standard for giving out money to companies is the threat of lost jobs, the auto parts suppliers' claim is as good as that of General Motors. The argument against subsidizing money-losing companies to preserve employment is that it would be impossible to think up a more expensive way of helping people.

There ought to be another way -- and there is. Unemployment compensation should be expanded to ensure those losing their jobs will not lose their houses or their health insurance. Helping people on that scale will not be cheap, but helping them by propping up corporate losers is infinitely more costly: sooner or later people will find other employment, but the automobile companies will never turn a profit.

They have been steadily losing money for a generation. Their predicament has nothing to do with today's credit crunch or the stock market crash. It has to do with their being incorrigible foul-ups.

Their record for money-losing is beyond comprehension. David Yermack, professor of finance at New York University's Stern School of Business, has calculated how much capital the car companies have destroyed over the last few decades.

He writes, "General Motors and Ford...between them...destroyed $110 billion in capital between 1980 and 1990.... GM has invested $310 billion in its business between 1998 and 2007. The total depreciation of GM's physical plant during this period was $128 billion, meaning that a net $182 billion of society's capital has been pumped into GM over the past decade -- a waste of about $1.5 billion per month of national savings. The story at Ford has not been as adverse but is still disheartening, as Ford has invested $155 billion and consumed $8 billion net of depreciation since 1998. As a society, we have very little to show for this $465 billion."

Having eaten its way through almost a half-trillion dollars, the American car industry will gulp down the $25 billion now proposed to save it faster than most of us can swallow. The Democratic leaders in Congress think they can prevent that and force a turnaround by attaching some kind of government oversight board to the financial aid. Such a board might make sure that executives do not draw down indefensibly high salaries, but any such arrangement will make it doubly certain the companies will not find their way back to prosperity.

Not that revivals are impossible. General Motors teetered on the edge of bankruptcy once before, in 1920. Then, as now, the cause was incompetent management. At that time one of GM's biggest stockholders was the du Pont family, who realized that its investment was in danger of evaporating. To save its holdings the family put its most talented member, Pierre S. du Pont, on a train to Detroit.

Once settled in at GM, du Pont installed Alfred P. Sloan as its new president. Together these two business geniuses created the single greatest industrial organization of the last century. At its apogee under Sloan, General Motors became the model for creative and effective corporate management. Quite literally, the world had seen nothing like it.

This is the inheritance that the epigones running Detroit's today have ruined. What they have done is a crime against their stockholders, employees of the Big Three, their customers and the nation.

Now we are amid these splendid corporate ruins. The best hope -- and it is only a hope -- is bankruptcy. With bankruptcy comes the chance of reorganization, the breaking of the anachronistic union contracts and the possibility of new and effective management. A modern version of du Pont and Sloan is asking too much, but surely somewhere in the three major car companies there are more effective and courageous executives than those now them.

The Republicans are against a bailout for the usual doctrinaire reasons -- free market blah-blah, creeping (or galloping) socialism. Such meaningless abstractions aside, the reality is that a society pockmarked by large, losing, subsidized corporations is a society on the way to the poorhouse. By propping up GM and saving some jobs now, we will see many more lost just down the road.


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Nicholas Von Hoffman is a columnist for the New York Observer and is the author, most recently, of "Hoax" (Nation Books, 2004).

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Another Reason Not to Bail Out GM or the UAW
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 20, 2008 12:43 AM   
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That is their treatment of health benefits. Instead of bringing the issue of healthcare to the national stage they set up a private boondoggle to pay health insurance.

The fact is that the vast majority of Union strikes are over health care takeaways. Neither GM nor the UAW stood up for anybody but themselves. Why should we care about their survival. Let the Teamsters or SEIU take the auto workers.

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» This isn't the union's fault Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Put the Carrot at the Other End of the Stick
Posted by: jbpaz on Nov 20, 2008 3:42 AM   
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I present some discussion points to suggest alternatives to the current dismal situation.
General Motors is sitting on any number of profitable and patented alternatives. The well-tested electric car seems the best bet.
As a goad for market acceptance, we could ban the import of foreign oil and the export of our production.
Gas rationing could be employed to spur more rational gasoline use and domestic exploration.
Pulling our armed forces out of Asia should be easier if big oil can't import product to the USA. The US Navy could patrol Afro-Asian waters to discourage slave ships and pirate vessels. The USAF is thus redundant and we have no use for an Army that has lost three wars.
Shaving ten billions monthly from the defense budget may fund a few needed improvements.

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Why
Posted by: cokids on Nov 20, 2008 4:23 AM   
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Why is all the discussion about lending money to companies and people who have the lion's share of it already?

The problem is...we've been cutting wages and jobs for decades and now we wonder why GM can't sell cars??!! My God! When people don't have money to spend, they stop buying! Time to increase wages and put more $$ into the hands of people who BUY!

Giving money away to businesses is okay, but to people is NOT? Give it UP! Wake UP!

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» RE: Why Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: Why Posted by: bornxeyed
» Henry Ford had it right Posted by: End The Echo
» RE: Henry Ford had it right Posted by: Knot_Rich
It's a Loan - not a Giveaway: Don't buy the Right Wing Crap
Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on Nov 20, 2008 4:40 AM   
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All this sudden pro-market capitalism (only the strong survive) crap coming from all sides amazes me. We just dumped hundreds of billions on GIVEAWAYS (not loans) to Fannie Mae & AIG to cover the asses of various financial and insurance sector ass wipes. We blew 300 of the 700 billion TARP, and didn't buy a single troubled asset. The banks simply kept the money to pad their balance sheets, and have not used it for day-to-day commercial lending as hoped.

If we can do that, why can't we roll the dice and lend (not give) a TINY FRACTION of that to our nations biggest manufacturers? Recall, people, that if they weren't getting their asses kicked with health care costs that their foreign competitors do not need to bear, they would be in significantly better shape today.

Ford and GM going out of business or going bankrupt would be an absolute disaster at this point in time. Romney and boneheads like him don't seem to contemplate what the loss of that GM dividend would mean to little old ladies around the country. I have even heard these talking head types try to micromanage GM from in front of the camera, and flippantly advise that GM needs to cancell its dividend. All you overnight Darwinian capitalists out there should contemplate how all of our 401k's will look after GM fails - whether you own GM or not. Every company your 401k owns likely owns GM, and works that historically consistent dividend into their bottom line. This is to say nothing of the panic that will ensue if several million middle and upper middle class workers are turned out onto the streets simultaneously. We just can't afford the risk.

Roll the dice. Lend the money.

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Scratch a liberal, get a neoliberal
Posted by: halrivers on Nov 20, 2008 5:26 AM   
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Scratch a liberal, get a neoliberal, even in The Nation.
"With bankruptcy comes the chance of . . . breaking of the anachronistic union contracts." Christ allmighty! Let's just shit-can the material and human assets of the auto-industry and bring on austerity!
There is no vision in these pseudo-progressive intellectuals. We need a new New Deal, converting the equipment and ready work-force of Big Auto to create the next generation of green energy and transportation, not an impoverished wasteland of shuttered factories and workers on poverty level unemployment compensation lining up at Walmart. Did von Hoffman or his ilk ever work a factory job? And I don't mean a couple summers on the line or two years before the mast. I mean breaking your back so your family can have a decent home, take a vacation, send the kids to college, and retire with some life left after 30 years of slow death on the assembly line. For a taste of the alienating and brutal nature of the line, see www.autoplant.info.

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GM killed public transportation, alternative fuels, and even fuel efficiency !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 20, 2008 5:47 AM   
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If Obama and the Demos "bail" them out, the other side will emerge as early as 2010. Look out !

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China may buy GM and Chrysler
Posted by: bryanth798 on Nov 20, 2008 6:02 AM   
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I wonder if the execs at GM and Chrystler knew already that Chinese auto manufacturers were considering (planning to, more likely) buying them out. So, who benefits from the cash they are trying to get from Congress? The executives, who, if they act like the ones who absconded with the fake Wall Street bailout? Or the Chinese themselves?

Here is a link to an article that details the Chinese plan.

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$67,000.00 a year
Posted by: peacelf on Nov 20, 2008 6:07 AM   
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That's how much an average auto worker in the big three makes per year. Auto execs, neo cons and neo liberals would like to see those wages cut.

That's why I believe GM, Ford and Chrysler have no qualms about going bankrupt. They are just trying to sweeten the deal of restructuring, which they'll do either way, with or without a gov't bailout.

I say, taxpayers should make the bailouts in the form of loans contingent on maintaining auto workers pay and benefits, requiring cleaner, greener autos, and extending unemployment benefits for any layoffs that occur during the retooling of the plants.

This is a golden opportunity to force auto companies to change, but allowing GM et al to go bankrupt is going to be disastrous to the auto workers.

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» RE: $67,000.00 a year Posted by: dougo
» RE: $67,000.00 a year Posted by: dougo
Repugnican scumbags!!
Posted by: xvictor on Nov 20, 2008 6:09 AM   
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The repug senate cohorts, with Bush as the whore cheerleader and Paulson and Bernanke as willing pimps, refused to bailout the US automakers. However, for the WRONG reasons. Their lying repug mantra of "free market" and limited gov't interference is just plain HOGWASH!!! They just don't want any of the original 700bn+ bailout dough slated for Wall Street to be shared with GM and Ford. They want to give it ALL to them.

While I agree that GM and Ford should just die, so too must JPMorganChase, Goldman Sachs, and other big investment banks that risked it all and lost, and then foot the tab to the taxpayers who has very little money in their pockets.

Remember that old Repug propaganda, "more money in your pockets"? That ought to be realistically, "more money for those loose and dumb masters of finance degreed and PhD bastards".

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airplanes, cars and $$ oh my!
Posted by: ellie on Nov 20, 2008 7:00 AM   
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if the big three can fly into DC in multi-million $$ private jets to beg for a bailout, they don't really need it...

if they had listened to their customers and what WE wanted built going back to the '80's, they wouldn't have the asian end-run of car manufacturers to deal with...

really, this is all about union busting... they want to go bankrupt to get the unions out, pay minimum wage, no benefits, and keep the jets for themselves...

remember the exploding Pinto, the K car design, and the Escalade???

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You really do live in a world where your government can just print money, don't you?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 20, 2008 7:25 AM   
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Not to say that hasn't been the case under Bush--it has, to the detriment of current and future taxpayers.

The key question is: can GM fix their problem with a government (taxpayer) backed loan, or not?

If they can, then they do and likely still will offer great wages, great retirement, and great benefits to folks with high-school level educations and up.

If they can't, then we've lost a few more billion, not on wars, but on the opportunity to try and help an American company survive. I'd much rather gamble on the ability of an American automotive company to resurrect itself, instead of the gamble that a free society will emerge in the middle east under our bumbling fingers, tanks, and guns. I mean, goddamit--almost a trillion dollars to fund a perpetual war and not a few billion to try and give GM, Ford, and Chrysler a chance at future viability? Really?

Losing every single GM worker and most of the jobs that support the GM behemoth might be the final nail in the coffin of a threatening depression. How is your "unemployment reform" going to work then, after we lose that many individual and corporate tax receipts?

There are risks and costs either way. It's stupidity of us to toss away the financial well-being of the nation to go fishing for a solution to a pet cause without first trying to let the auto industry get it right, and pay us back.

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Mitt Romney for Secretary of Transportation
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Nov 20, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Reading Romney's New York Times op-ed brought to mind what a fabulously, bipartisan pick he would make in the position of Secretary of Transportation--to work with the dregs of Detroit and also pump up mass transit across the land, especially in our cities.

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» Mitt Romney is a fraud... Posted by: jon B
» Mr. and Mrs. Romney? Posted by: Scientz
Welcome to the United States of China
Posted by: Jim V. on Nov 20, 2008 8:09 AM   
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What a great opportunity for the Chinese to swoop in and buy GM at a fraction of what's its worth pay a Wal Mart wage to its employees and start producing the new domestic foreign Cherry cars: Cherry Corvette, Cherry Malibu and the ever popular Cherry Cobalt. Can't wait to practice my Mandarin

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Let them fail...
Posted by: RobNLA on Nov 20, 2008 8:18 AM   
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In a real free market, competition causes the smarter, more innovative to survive, while the more wasteful companies fail.

Now the big 3 automakers have enjoyed a near monopoly on the domestic automobile industry for decades. What did they do with this power? They blocked innovations into safety and efficiency.

Take the EV1 back in the 1990's. GM could have improved upon that model over the years and would now be dominating the hybrid and electronic vehicle markets. Instead they did everything to kill it and now want a bailout for their mismanagement and lack of long term planning.

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» RE: Let them fail... Posted by: MaxAndroid
» RE: Let them fail... Posted by: CatDad
I am having a problem with this
Posted by: outlander55 on Nov 20, 2008 8:24 AM   
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While the UAW is pricing itself out of the market, other problems will arise. Sure, let the auto industry fail. It will serve them right. But, what will it do for the rest of the country. 1 in 10 jobs in America is related to the auto industry. Imagine, 16,000,000 jobs lost overnight... Unemployment will skyrocket, crippling the treasuries of the majority of states with those collecting benefits. You think the forecloser rate is high now? What will happen to the economy? People won't be able to pay property taxes, infrastructures will collapse, crime will escalate to all time highs.
Who will be effected? All of us. In some way, the failure of the auto industry will effect every American. So, instead of going off half cocked, I think we should think logically of the consequences before we throw 16,000,000 Americans out on the streets to fend for themselves.

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» Bullshit Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: Bullshit Posted by: Knot_Rich
bandits:why is greed acceptable?
Posted by: pacto on Nov 20, 2008 8:41 AM   
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in the late 60`s a friend of mine invented a device to rid the world of dependece on oil. It was a simple valve that converted your engine,for about 200.bucks,to a steam powered vehicle.he got a patent, built a working model,on a harley, coupled with ...the hughs boiler,that by the way could use pellets of compressed garbage as fuel. the results were sent to the auto makers and they didn`t even respond. only ford was interested, but just to shelve the idea.

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The globalist agenda
Posted by: solrev on Nov 20, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Destroy the American auto industry so after bankruptcy, they will have to pay the same couple of bucks over minimum wage as the southern state foreign auto industry. Then we can blame the unions for the failure. I am glad the congress that could not pass a 700 billion bailout for the globalists, until they added 150 billion to buy 12 votes is looking out for my best interest. If we can get unemployment up to 15% we will have plenty of minimum wage workers for the future. Some one dropped a coin in the congress pocket and they are doing the puppet dance. Bye Bye Miss American pie I went to the levee but the levee was dry. If you make more than minimum wage you are next on the list. I wonder what the minimum, mode, medium, mean wage of planet earth will be win the globalists win world war three. They can never win because they can not survive without the nationalists but we can survive without them, but that’s a story for 2012. P.S. I wonder how many billions I spent at fifty one cents a gallon to produce ethanol out of food, now thats good business.

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» RE: The globalist agenda Posted by: Knot_Rich
Tired and retired
Posted by: Mike U. on Nov 20, 2008 10:26 AM   
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This is not a simple comment but a true story by a real person.

As a retired steelworker (34 years) and a former Union member (United Steelworker of America), I get a sour taste in my mouth when the know nothing, self proclaimed experts blame the impending bankruptcy of the Auto Industry on the UAW's retirement packages as the cause of the auto industry meltdown.

The truth is... the UAW union worker is the ultimate victim in this sordid business.

What is not reported in the MSM is that retirement benefits are supposed to be fully funded under the Employee's Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) of 1974. Under that Act, the employers had 40 some years to fully fund their retirement obligations. Rather than set aside the money as required by the law, many corporations requested and were routinely permitted to forgo their mandatory contributions to the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, (PBGC) which was created to ensure the money was there for the retirees if a company became bankrupt.

My own life experience parallels the plight the UAW members are now facing. Two years after the steel plant I worked in for decades closed down, they applied for and were granted bankruptcy protection. In that action they successfully divested themselves of the burden of the retirees' benefits obligations. I, and thousands of others lost a portion of our pensions, and all of our medical for life coverage.

As part of earlier labor contracts, we were convinced by the Company negotiators to forgo a portion of regular pay raises in order for the Company to have sufficient funds to contribute to the PBGC and to ensure our retirement benefit package. When the bankruptcy occurred, we found the money had not been paid those many years into the special retirement account. Instead, they carried the retirement costs as a 'current cost item' on the balance sheets, thus the benefit account was empty! Instead the money we gave up as wages for the supposed benefits went to the stockholders. To add to our woes, we soon discovered there is a cap on the benefits one is to receive from the PBGC and medical benefits are not permitted under the PBGC plan!

Because of the loss of 'lifetime guaranteed' retirement benefits, I found myself back in the work force for nearly a decade more in order to make up for benefits lost in the bankruptcy court and the PBGC safety net.

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» RE: Tired and retired Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: Tired and retired Posted by: Mike U.
» RE: Tired and retired Posted by: ciccio
The author's right: expand unemployment compensation
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Nov 20, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Also, initiate single-payer, universal, health care, make education free and restore the social safety net generally. The government's role should be to alleviate the effects of the breakdown of a way of life that should have ended decades ago, not to prolong it (therein lies doom).

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First allow them to go bankrupt, then buy their remains
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 20, 2008 11:40 AM   
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Bankruptcy partially absolves GM from all of the contracts it has signed with its own upper management.

Next, it partially absolves GM from all of the contracts it has signed with its dealers.

Why pay these rich guys their poison pill?

As a general rule rewrite the bankruptcy laws to let the government step in after bankruptcy. These private companies have thrown themselves on the mercy of the government (in return for protecting their personal fortunes). So grab up the units, reorganize with competent management types who do the USA justice, and let them start again with the same domestic factories.

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More evidence that Corporate America is vehemently opposed to Free market Capitalism
Posted by: fanny666 on Nov 20, 2008 12:21 PM   
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GM executives call climate change "a crock of shit." So, instead of making fuel-efficient small cars, they throw money at 620 Horsepower supercar development. It's like Detroit was taken over by little boys who wanted fast cars, and not by businessmen who wanted to make a relevant product.

If tax dollars are used to bail these idiots out, not one single Detroit executive had better bring home a dime more than the average Detroit auto worker... meaning about $30,000 per year.

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why are the americans not up in arms?what a gutless people!!
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 20, 2008 3:01 PM   
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or is it because they are very very selfish so much when others in iraq were being killed for the profit of the americans oils the american masses kept quiet-now when their own pocket is hurting they are sqeaking but still have lost the pwoer or guts to protest?
afterall the 700 billion dolalr rescue for the walls treer shiums of paulson was okeyd within 3 days by the democractic congressmen including that raeid , the same reid who is asking the Gm and ford chairmen to come up with detailed busines plan so that they can sit down in december to think of giving laon of 25 billion.
that paltry sum compared to wall street loot will be for sake of american industrial productiona nd for saving 3 million jobs.
but the stupid american masses are quiet and are not in the street up in the arms shaouting and killing those bqastrds who helped the financiards with 700 billions but are reluctant to give 25 billions to auto industry!
what sort of people the americans are?

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Universal Health-Care: At the foundation of Big 3 Auto Problems
Posted by: foius on Nov 20, 2008 3:08 PM   
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According to many experts and auto industry analysts, the health-care benefits that UAW auto workers receive are supposedly the reason that the auto companies are having cost problems. Did they support universal health-care when it was being proposed by the Clinton Administration? What do you think will happen if the health-care costs dilemma is not addressed by corporate America and the unions who represent their workers? Are we willing to accept the reality that universal health-care is the standard for a modern work-force? Or, will we continue to deny the pending consequences of not addressing this issue on a national basis? Furthermore, there are additional sub-plots that will come out of this debate. Such as, the international groups that are attempting to buy American corporations at fire-sale prices. Is this what we want to see happen to our economic base? Apparently yes. Just by suggesting that their should be a bankruptcy alternative considered for the auto industry's Big 3 shows that until the hard lessons of economic collapse are experienced by our elected Congressional representatives, they will continue down this path of self-destruction!!!

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PERSONAL BAILOUTS AVAILABLE :)
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 20, 2008 4:07 PM   
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Maybe this isn't so funny?

I've been irresponsible, shortsighted, resistant to change, and lived and spent hedonistically way beyond my financial means due to very easily obtained credit. This is combined with my typical American addiction to materialism and consumerism.

Furthermore my health insurance premiums went up 110% over the past 3 years.

So now I am broke. Therefore I needed a personal bailout as soon as possible

Then I found "www.ineedabailout.gov" on the worldwide web.

I went to this website, completed a simple application form, submitted it and, low and behold ,my personal bailout government check arrived a few days later in the US mail

So I say God Bless America- Uncle Sam has come through again for "the little guy"

Go to "www.ineedabailout.gov"

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: You of course... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
Bail, smmail...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Nov 20, 2008 5:28 PM   
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...them out? For what?

So they can continue to produce Hummers, etc, that the average person does not want or can afford? So they can give exorbitant financial packages to execs, while they complain about he working man's meager pensions, and salaries by comparison?

Any company that produces a Hummer in the first place deserves to die.

Other companies will pop up out of its ashes and produce a product that people want and/or need. They will be stronger, more viable, it will just take time.

In the meantime, use the money to help the unemployed bridge the gap until that time occurs.

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» Hummers? Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Hummers? You have every right... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
GM is investing 300 Million in Russia
Posted by: hilly7 on Nov 20, 2008 6:59 PM   
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The real reason for the whay we shouldn't do it is that GM is building their 3rd plant in Russia that will employee 170,000 Russians and take away 70,000 American jobs. Ford lost a suit for not paying overtime in Russia and is now having to pay it. Oh yea, Ford is there too.

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 20, 2008 9:32 PM   
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Looks like the big three are looking for a handout to expand in other countries............
They will get it trust me just like AGI got it.
What is going on is this love affair with finance, hallucinated wealth, as a means of generating wealth. Not working as opposed to an assembly line. A bail out to the big three would benefit many millions of workers, if they use it to retool for smaller cars, which the may do in token numbers until low gas prices invite demand for SUVs again, then the whole cycle will start over again.The bastards in management need to be fired and thrown in jail with their Wall Street criminals cronies to rot for a life time first.Then we can discuss terms of a bail out

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The Last Stand For The American Worker
Posted by: dougo on Nov 21, 2008 6:53 AM   
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I have read many of the comments about the so called excessive pay and benefits of auto workers and I am truly amazed and at the same time dismayed at the sheer envy and outright hostility toward these workers.Their pay isn't excessive and they don't make $71 and hour.This is every cost including retirement benefits,health care and anything else they can think of to jack up the perceived pay.The truth is the majority of American workers are sorely underpaid.

How many of you people commenting on this post were even alive during the better days of America,the 60's,or even the 70's? Corporate taxes have been shifted to the workers making the least,$9.00,$10.00 or even $15.00 an hour while the rich pay next to nothing compared to their income.They majority of corporations want to pay near slave labor wages while the executives enjoy their six or eight or ten homes,and you want to talk about toys,you ain't seen nothing until you see the toys of the truly rich.You don't pull their boats behind a SUV,their captain and crew deliver it wherever in the world they want it.

Do you people really believe China will pay you a living wage to build cars,and do you really want to own or drive a Chinese piece of shit car? Think of the cheap crap that China has been unloading on us, through their surrogate Wal Mart, for decades and then think of what a Chinese car would really be like or worth,nothing.
If the Japanese or Koreans take over any of the Big Three what will this mean to you?
Nothing you think? Think again.
It will continue to drive down wages and benefits.No retirement plan,you get a 401K.That's working well,isn't it.Need more care? You can also put more of your low wage into a health savings account.Terrific idea,if you're the broker handling all these accounts.
You have no chance to bargain for a raise,you take what is offered if anything and like it or get out.No work rules,they are made up as per the situation on a daily basis,you do what ever job you're told to do or,once again,get out.You don't believe you're being treated fairly? Can you talk to the boss about it without jeopardizing your job? Good luck with that.You better keep your mouth shut or you probably won't have a job tomorrow.

The Repugs and the southern Democrats spouting the same illogical logic,advocating for bankruptcy for Detroit are really in essence lobbying for the foreign owned manufacturers in their respective states,and with that the destruction of unions altogether.They have a dream of finally breaking the one remaining strong union in America and they see the light at the end of the tunnel.Sure,they pay less and we buy their Hyundai's and Mazda's and Toyota's and Honda's and BMW's for less then an American car, but at what cost to our society?

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Last Satnd For The American Worker part two
Posted by: dougo on Nov 21, 2008 6:55 AM   
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Do you really believe these foreign owned entities come to America to 'give us jobs' out of the goodness of their hearts or because we are better workeers then those in their home countries? Hell no,they come here because now,with the exception of the American auto workers,America is a low wage country,lower than their own home countries with far fewer benefits.These foreign companies love to locate in the south because they realize the Richard Shelby's and Hailey Barbour's of the world will keep the wages low and no unions allowed with their right to work laws.What they don't tell you is you have the right to work for whatever low wage the corporations want to pay you with no alternatives for you the worker. Remember they all have national health care in their home countries while we do not.At home,these companies have to pay into their national health care,here they don't,it has been shifted to you,the worker,like all the other costs for our society.Sure,the company pays a portion of your lousy health care plan but in the end it's up to you to pay for you and your families health,and pay you will.
Generally you get a choice of a couple of plans.One you can't afford to actually use because the deductibles are too high and the other you just plain can't afford because you have to eat and keep a roof over your head.

Do any of you realize the benefits Germans, Japanese or Koreans have as a society?Can you even imagine a mandatory six weeks paid vacation for everybody,every year,plus holidays and paid sick days.We couldn't dream of such a life because you've been brainwashed to believe if you have a good,decent life from an honest job,that what,you're a pussy? Get real.
Do a little research on the benefits of the Japanese or Germans or any European country for that matter and you will see how we as a nation have been duped and played for the suckers we are.We have thrown away billions on bankers and stock brokers so they can maintain their lavish lifestyles,and that's not counting the secret two trillion somebody got,meanwhile,we the workers,making the wealth for them,continue to scrape and claw for the very basics of survival.
If the corporatists weren't so greedy and self serving,we could all be living a decent life.

Yes we do need to keep our auto industry and work to make all our lives better for us our children and their children.We must make demands of the executives and management to design the type of fuel efficient cars we need to preserve the environment and our natural resources.We have to bring back the millions of jobs outsourced and off-shored to insure a stable and productive society.Americans deserve better then we have gotten from our jobs,our government and our lives,all of us will be a better people for it.

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How much do they spend on adverstising!
Posted by: margwa on Nov 22, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Advertising is just one small aspect of this crisis, I'm sure. But think about the fact that every second or third commercial that airs on television is a car commercial. The automakers seem to spend a lot of money to continually reinforce the the glory of the car and perpetuate our cultural obsession with it.

And the author is right, we should be supporting the workers not the corporations.

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Who Killed the Electric Car???? GM did.
Posted by: beijaflor on Nov 23, 2008 11:33 AM   
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Please view the excellent documentary, Who Killed the Electric Car, NOW.
I could see a bridge loan to GM et al with Major strings attached, like bringing back the brilliant, cost effective, non-polluting electric car. Other wise, NO. Government, free of the car, oil lobbies CAN direct public policy in a good way.
Dig this; they not only destroyed these cars, they shredded them for scrap!!! Shredded, completely destroyed them.

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