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Naomi Klein: The Borderline Illegal Deals Behind the $700 Billion Bailout

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted November 18, 2008.


The bailout is a parting gift to the people that George Bush once referred to jokingly as "my base."

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Amy Goodman: World leaders from nearly two dozen countries met in Washington over the weekend to discuss plans to increase regulation of international financial activity. They acknowledged that a failure of market oversight in countries like the United States had precipitated the financial crisis.

Meanwhile, here at home, it's been a month into the Bush administration's more than $700 billion bank bailout. Last week, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson outlined a new bailout strategy intended to boost consumer borrowing and promote financing for companies that give out loans. President-elect Obama's transition team is reportedly working on improving the management of the bailout come January 20th.

But that's two months away and according to the Washington Post, with $290 billion already committed, the Bush administration has taken no action to fill congressionally-mandated independent positions to oversee how the bailout is used.

According to Naomi Klein's latest article in The Nation, "The more details emerge, the clearer it becomes that Washington's handling of the Wall Street bailout is not merely incompetent. It is borderline criminal." The article is called "In Praise of a Rocky Transition." ... "Criminal"? Explain.

Naomi Klein: Well, there's a few elements now that are being described as illegal that we're finding out. First of all, the equity deals that were negotiated with the largest banks and also some smaller banks, representing $250 billion worth of the bailout money, this is the deal to inject capital into the banks in exchange for equity. The idea was to address the so-called credit crunch to get banks lending again. The legislation that enabled this was quite explicit that it had to encourage lending. Barney Frank, who was one of the architects of that legislation, has said that it violates the act if the money is not going to that purpose and is instead going to bonuses, is instead going to dividends, going to salaries, going to mergers. He said that violates the acts, i.e. it's illegal. But what we know is that it's going precisely to those purposes. It is going to bonuses. It is going to shareholders. And it is not going to lending. The banks have been quite explicit about this. Citibank has talked about using the money to buy other banks.

Then there's other aspects of this that are borderline illegal. We found out that in the midst of the crisis, the Bush Treasury Department pushed through a tax windfall for the banks, a piece of legislation that allows the banks to save a huge amount of money when they merge with each other. And the estimate is that this represents a loss of $140 billion worth of tax revenue for the US government. Many tax attorneys who were interviewed by the Washington Post said that they felt that the way in which the Treasury Department went about this by unilaterally changing the tax code was illegal, that this had to include Congress. Congress only found out about it after the fact.

There's another piece of this puzzle that is also borderline illegal, which is that in addition to the $700 billion that we are discussing, the $700 billion bailout, there's another $2 trillion that's been handed out by the Federal Reserve in emergency loans to financial institutions, to banks, that actually we don't really know who they're handing the money out to, because, apparently, it's a secret. They could be handing it out to a range of other corporations -- I think they are -- but they're saying that they won't disclose who has received these taxpayer loans, because it could cause a run on the banks, it could cause the market to lose confidence in the institutions that have taken these loans. Once again, that represents an additional $2 trillion.

The other thing that the Fed won't disclose is what they have accepted as collateral in exchange for these loans. This is a really key point, because, of course, at the heart of the financial crisis is -- are these so- called distressed assets. The value of these assets is enormously controversial. They may be worth very little. So if the Fed has accepted distressed assets as collateral in exchange for these loans, there's a very good chance the taxpayers aren't going to be getting this money back. So Bloomberg News has launched a lawsuit in federal court to find out who has received the loans and what has been accepted as collateral, because they believe that this lack of transparency is illegal. So that's why we're calling this the "trillion-dollar crime scene" or the "multi-trillion-dollar crime scene." And they're really challenging lawmakers to call them out, the Treasury is.


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FYI .. Bailout Tally Now at $4,284 Billion or $4.28 TRILLION !
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 18, 2008 12:26 AM   
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Bailout Total ...So Far

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Don't know 'bout you...
Posted by: Nodarse on Nov 18, 2008 1:57 AM   
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But I think it's time for a Revolution!

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» RE: Don't know 'bout you... Posted by: douglashoyt
» RE: Don't know 'bout you... Posted by: Carlos111
» you voted for em Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: Shehova
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: Shehova
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: 2thepoint
» "To borrow is to pay back" Posted by: paulaH
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: Malamute
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: Shehova
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: DaBear
» Um, you voted for em too Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: you voted for em Posted by: JSquercia
Ownership from sea to shining sea ?
Posted by: Von on Nov 18, 2008 2:04 AM   
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When a person or persons take out a mortgage on a home, the lender still owns the home until the mortgaged amount is paid in full.

Recall Bank of America apparently providing financing to non-American citizens ?

Now, with these major banks seeking to gobble up lesser ones, that would mean the bigger ones would sieze ownership of what the smaller ones have(had). Would this not include oustanding mortgages too that are all over this country?

Think of the number of foreclosures. A huge amount. It would seem that the major banks tha thave either merged or gobbled up the smaller banks accross the country would pick up these foreclosed homes as well.

Is it the intent that a few banks will sieze control of property assets from sea to shining sea? Are these real assets going to be used to try to back-up the huge derivative numbers?

The IRS can come in and sieze yer assets if they choose to. Why would the banks provide mortgages to people so easily in the past few years...even non-citizens?? They offered 'No Money Down' programs....'Bad Credit or No Credit' programs and even 'Interest Only' programs. And of course the low interests rates seemed to be another carrot.

I never fully believed that this 'bail out' money was going to be used to help homeowners. if the bail out money was going to be used to help homeowners in foreclosure or those going into foreclosure..why would these mega-banks seek to merge or gobble up the smaller ones at the same time?

It seems what Paulson & Company intend to do is own the country...literally. Manifest Destiny with a banker's twist.

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Oooo... Aren't they sweet...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 18, 2008 3:00 AM   
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The picture on the main page makes them look like a couple of little love birds... I can almost hear the two little turtledoves cooing and clucking fondly to each other...

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this is copycat crime, a repeat of what worked in the UK in the 1990s
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 18, 2008 3:19 AM   
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when 500,000 families had their homes repossessed.

It's very simple to sell mortgages, get the income and then manipulate the economy so that people struggle and then sink under the burden of debt--the mortgage lenders then foreclose.

The banks and credit card companies entice you out on a limb before bringing out the chainsaw.

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This is a great quote:
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 18, 2008 3:50 AM   
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"The other thing that they're calling for is a greater role for the International Monetary Fund. And it's important to understand that the reason why the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization and the whole free trade agenda, generally, has been in collapse in recent years is because countries around the world are no longer willing to accept the conditions attached to joining this club, the conditions attached to an International Monetary Fund loan. In reasserting a greater role for the International Monetary Fund, in calling for the World Trade Organization talks to get back on track, these world leaders are actually calling for more financial market deregulation, more of the same." - Naomi Klein

Exactly right - and the New York Times just came out today and endorsed the "Colombian Free Trade Agreement" - neoliberal colonialism in action. This is the same free trade deal that Clinton's Burson-Marstellar campaign manager, Mark Penn, was involved in negotiations with.

This is typical behavior from the NYT, which presents itself as a left-wing liberal paper on domestic issues, and as a total manic colonialist on foreign policy issues, marching in lockstep on everything from bogus Iraq WMD claims to promoting dishonest unfair trade deals with corrupt governments in war-torn countries. The Washington Post does the same thing, and most of the rest of the leading papers barely discuss anything related to trade these days.

Likewise, they make a point of never discussing the IMF conditions or the controversies that surround them. It's just rotten journalism from the their foreign desks, the government's liberal-or-conservative flavored propaganda outlet, that makes the whole U.S. newspaper industry look bad.

Exxon has a PR team, and so does the White House and Congress, and they need the press to sell their lies for them, since no one believes what they say. This applies to the bailout as much as it applied to the Iraq war.

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» RE: Bite me Posted by: Shehova
Naomi- Federal Reserve Bank is a private for-profit entity
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 18, 2008 5:00 AM   
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The following is a portion of the article to which I must comment:

The other thing that the Fed won't disclose is what they have accepted as collateral in exchange for these loans. This is a really key point, because, of course, at the heart of the financial crisis is -- are these so- called distressed assets. The value of these assets is enormously controversial. They may be worth very little. So if the Fed has accepted distressed assets as collateral in exchange for these loans, there's a very good chance the taxpayers aren't going to be getting this money back.

Naomi talks as if the Federal Reserve Bank is a branch of the US government. It is not. It is a cartel of private for-profit banks. The taxpayers do not own the Federal Reserve Bank and therefore can never profit or be repaid by it.
Go to www.911insidejob.net for more videos and articles on the Federal Reserve Bank.

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Maybe now 3rd parties will get a voice and more of us can fearlessly vote for them !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 18, 2008 5:04 AM   
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And while at it, let's pound the pols at the local and state level.

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» we (R)'s tried to war ya Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
So Who is surprised...
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Nov 18, 2008 5:06 AM   
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That this turned out to be nothing but a money grab? Anything with this present admin's name on it, is a scam. A deception waiting to happen. I agree with the member ^^^ above who called for the Revolution. Tea Party anyone?

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» RE: So Who is surprised... Posted by: douglashoyt
» RE: So Who is surprised... Posted by: Shehova
» RE: So Who is surprised... Posted by: douglashoyt
» RE: Sod off Posted by: Shehova
» RE: So Who is surprised... Posted by: douglashoyt
» RE: Who's the fool? Posted by: Shehova
» RE: So Who is surprised... Posted by: Malamute
» RE: LOVELTY, Posted by: Malamute
Who bailed who out?
Posted by: 2thepoint on Nov 18, 2008 5:56 AM   
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I love how Pelosi , Reid and Franks all jumped up when this bailout was first drafted and proclaimed how they have revised the bailout bill and took credit for it.. They all were very specific in how the republicans tried to block the bail out bill and the democrats saved the day.

Now we are saying this is the Bush bailout bill??? It might be but it's definitely not the republicans bailout bill. The democrats own it - like it or not!

Pelosi, Reid and Franks need to be removed from their jobs. NOW! We need change and they have to be the first to go!

Franks mislead the entire country when he said his pets, Fannie and Freddie were just fine and healthy - no actions need to be taken.Remember, his lover was a director at Fannie Mae!

It's an outrage that this guy, who probably cause millions to lose billions isn't in jail!

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» RE: Yes! Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Yes! Posted by: 2thepoint
Grand Theft
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 18, 2008 6:01 AM   
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Those of us who have spent the last twenty-eight years warning our fellow countrymen and woman that the drunken, deregulatory binge this once-great nation was on would end in total and utter disaster - we can hold our heads high. We have they positively giddy right to say to the rest of the country, "We told you so".

It was once said that the people get the leaders they deserve. While this may not be true of those who live under dictatorships, it certainly is true of the citizens of the United States.

This financial melt down is the fault of everyone who stupidly voted for Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and his half-witted kid. It's the fault of everybody who was too busy to vote on any Election Day. It's my fault - for voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 just to prove a point.

To be perfectly blunt with you, this can only be described as a fucking mess. Expect at least a decade of really hard times.

The GOP's Spiral Into Irrelevance

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: Grand Theft Posted by: Malamute
» The Party's over Posted by: skoog5600
» RE: The Party's over Posted by: Tom Degan
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» RE: Grand Theft Posted by: Shehova
» Hot potato Posted by: 2thepoint
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» RE: Grand Theft Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» Amen, Granny Posted by: Tom Degan
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» RE: Grand Theft Posted by: marywebber
RE: LOL
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 18, 2008 7:34 PM   
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Ironic is a stupid weak word to use. How about criminal

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Inaugural Poem "We Must Change"
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 18, 2008 7:02 AM   
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It is my goal to get in touch with someone from the Obama campaign and share with them my desire to be a part of his inauguration by reciting a poem I wrote called “We Must Change,” and I kindly ask for your help in doing so.
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

Here are the words! http://www.thinkverybig.com/We%20Must%20Change.htm

“Makes Me Wanna Cry” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

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Now foreign companies are asking for U.S. bailout money!
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 18, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Aegon, Dutch insurance company, wants one billion in bailout money from our Uncle Sugar. They say there's a U.S. company they want to buy, and they'll buy it if it will make them eligible for a handout.

Unbelievable!

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LOL # 2....not
Posted by: picket on Nov 18, 2008 7:09 AM   
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Main Street and Back Street America are all suffering from the actions of our "greedy" owners, who are behaving like "pigs at the trough".

The Agriculture Dept says that in 2007, 700,000 children at some point had very low food security, which used to be food insecurity with hunger, which used to be....THE CHILDREN ARE HUNGRY !!!! Serving up a loaf of soft cheap white bread does not make for a healthy meal or a healthy childhood.

Listening to the wealthy "talking heads" trying to deceive the public with lies makes me sick, but in my belief system I can put a name to "THE FATHER OF LIES".

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Treason pure and simple......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 18, 2008 7:12 AM   
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As all of this is done against the people of this nation, without our knowledge, without our consent it is TREASON against us!

How much more do we need to see to recognize that this whole mis-Administration should be IMPEACHED for TREASON, HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS!

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more of the same
Posted by: davidg on Nov 18, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Public subsidy, private profit. What's new? More of the same.

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WTF is going on here!!
Posted by: crazy carlos on Nov 18, 2008 7:36 AM   
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SpiritGirl, mmckini I concur with you Spiritgirl, there is obvious intent to gravely harm, if not destroy this country--and that is a treasonable act. To mmckini, my thought is: where in the hell is this $$$. If it was being pumped into the economy, roaring inflation should be showing up in consumer prices, which they are not. That can only mean one thing-that money is being placed into places (gold ,silver, platinum ?) that would not show up in the day to day economy and may explain why precious metals are almost impossible to buy and take delivery on.

What we are seeing is the ultimate Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization, in violation of said act (RICO) which does have forfeiture penalities included in it.

Clean your guns folks, this is going to turn very ugly soon!! carlos

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» RE: WTF is going on here!! Posted by: crazy carlos
» RE: WTF is going on here!! Posted by: marywebber
you got what you wanted
Posted by: grkjr on Nov 18, 2008 7:39 AM   
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how does it go.. "be careful what you wish for you just may just get it" well you voted for more democrats and that is the same thing as voting for incompetence or cowardice as the theft of america in politics and economics continues. do you think for one minute that if you had voted for nader that the "same ol track" would have continued.. watch and weep. .. and just maybe learn in time for the next go around in 4 years.. maybe in two in some congress districts.;

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» If I Had Voted for Nader... Posted by: Carol Burns
» RE: you got what you wanted Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: you got what you wanted Posted by: marywebber
always remember that 100/1 folks voiced outrage...
Posted by: ellie on Nov 18, 2008 8:07 AM   
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at the bailout in the first place... if Amy and Naomi can get this $$ mess figured out on how to present it to a 6th grade reading/understanding level, people may put their collective foot down... 6th grade level is where the majority of americans operate... seriously...

this is going to be a real disaster and we are just in stage 1 of the looting and plundering while the average american goes along and allows it to continue... hopes for the Obama administration are beginning to dim fast... look at the cabinet that is being chosen... if Obama tries to straighten this mess out, I fear for his safety... he's going to need more secret service protection then Sadam has towards the end of his regime...

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Puppet Bush and the Plutocracy: He Wasn't Joking
Posted by: Midway54 on Nov 18, 2008 8:48 AM   
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A few years ago, the Puppet attended a black-tie affair which was televised on C-span. At one point, he sat at a table looking over the large, formally-attired crowd, including well-coiffed and bejeweled women, and commented in his usual rural-twang manner that some call these folks the have-mores..."I call them my constiuency." It was probably the very few times that this clod told the unvarnished truth. He served the plutocrats well, as did Ronnie Reagan, who started the Country down the sliding slope into our current abyss. Ronnie received a set of keys to a new mansion in suburban Los Angeles, provided to him by those eternally grateful plutocrats. It will be interesting to see what the Puppet might receive to supplement the income of trust-fund luxury he will enjoy for the rest of his life.

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» Oh come on Posted by: gellero1
You do realize...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 18, 2008 9:28 AM   
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what she's trying to tell us?

The gist is that the Democrats are just as corrupt as the Republicans. Klein seems reluctant to actually say that, or perhaps to face it, but it's implicit in everything she says. I was struck by this line:

"the logic that has really gripped lawmakers is that they can't rock the boat." They're (supposedly) afraid to frighten the flock of sheep known as the "market." She's making excuses for them, but in truth it's damning: where do they get all those campaign donations? Where do they have their own money?

They aren't "spineless," they're crooked. And BTW, this is exactly the excuse Slick Willy used to give Wall St. everything it wanted, starting the current slide to perdition. Did you really think it was all Bush's doing? The biggest deregulatory changes happened under Clinton.

Remember, this is not the Bush Bailout we're talking about; it's the Pelosi-Reid-Obama Bailout. Paulson sent them 3 pages; they sent back over 200, and went to great lengths, including shovelling in Republican tax cuts and Democratic pork (some for western Oregon), to make sure it passed.

The Republicans voted against it. Again: the Republicans voted against it! For bad reasons, but the reasons didn't matter: they were trying to block the bill.

THE DEMOCRATS OWN THE BAILOUT. If the Bush admin. is cheating on the terms, well, whoop-de-doo and gee-whiz, is anybody surprised? The Dems certainly aren't, or they need special ed. It's the Iraq War authorization all over again.

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» RE: You do realize... Posted by: helenwheels
Duey Cheatem and Howe..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Nov 18, 2008 9:40 AM   
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There could be a good case made against Paulson for Malfeasance, due to his decision to alter the deal made with Congress, and his choice to ignore the provisions contained within the bailout bill in multiple instances that compel him to deal with address and purchase even the toxic Sub Prime Mortgages, so as to arrest this epidemic of foreclosures..!

Malfeasance and Contempt of Congress..!

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Thanks Tom
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Nov 18, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Glad if you liked it dear.

You and I think a whole lot alike.

Yes, please check out my videos. I have made quite a few and must confess to being dreadfully disappointed in the low viewing numbers. I think they are funny. So why doesn't the You Tube world see it that way? WAAAAAA!

I thought surely my election spoof with Fonda Lots-a-titty would fly, I mean with that much emphasis on BOOBS, how could it miss? Sigh....but it did.

Look at the one called "blowjobs for all" about impeachment. You ought to like that one. "Miracle in dog poop" is pretty good too, if I do say so myself. Mortgage mess comedy...well, that one rocks too. AND OH, IT IS SO TRUE!!!!

Shameless self promotion, yup, yup, yup!

Hell, I'm just trying to spread laughter and good cheer!

Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!

Luv,
Granny

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» WTF??? Posted by: Grandma Crabby
As Olbermann says...
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Nov 18, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Why Daddy went to jail. That is what the bailout is/will be viewed as.

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It was never a bail out or a rescue plan, it was a cash out!
Posted by: thealltheone on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 AM   
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It was a pay back to all the investors (and them selves) in the neo con insane plan in the first place! It was win win for all (no matter which way it went) but us!

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Who voted for the Bailout?
Posted by: The Underboss on Nov 18, 2008 11:48 AM   
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Call your rep today and ask him why he voted fro a bailout:

Here's a list of who voted which way.

People who strongly believe there should be no bailout of these corporations should hold their elected reps accountable.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

If people are going to remain silent - they too will be silent accomplices in the great big robbery taking place by the government and this will strongly encourage an Obama administration to loot even more.

Peace.

The Underboss

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» Obama voted for it! Posted by: eeezzz
» RE: Obama voted for it! Posted by: The Underboss
Who voted for the Bailout?
Posted by: The Underboss on Nov 18, 2008 11:49 AM   
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Call your rep today and ask him why he voted fro a bailout:

Here's a list of who voted which way.

People who strongly believe there should be no bailout of these corporations should hold their elected reps accountable.

Bailout Vote Roll Call - Who voted


If people are going to remain silent - they too will be silent accomplices in the great big robbery taking place by the government and this will strongly encourage an Obama administration to loot even more.

Peace.

The Underboss

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» RE: Who voted for the Bailout? Posted by: The Underboss
Seeing Red
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Nov 18, 2008 11:50 AM   
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I'm seeing red. The red of America's blood sucked by vampires. Deal with this shit. That's what the "brown" in the redbrownandblueparty blogstream means. This is one party that isn't afraid to use the sword of truth.

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I'm Confused ????
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 18, 2008 11:57 AM   
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Was it not Nancy Pelosi who pushed the bill through the Democratic controlled House.???

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SHE IS A MOLE OF THE BUSH/CHENEY CABAL ???

Oy Vey.........Help us, Messiah, help us !!

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Borderline criminal?
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Nov 18, 2008 12:19 PM   
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All the players in this debacle strayed so far across the border that it constitutes the crime of the century--and the century's still young. Where's the sheriff when you need him?

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bottled water
Posted by: geocshaw on Nov 18, 2008 12:28 PM   
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That is really touching -- two of the a**holes that caused this mess are sitting there with bottled water. That just about says it all.

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To the americans that laughed at Ron Paul, I'm laughing at you
Posted by: spillmind on Nov 18, 2008 12:52 PM   
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Obama and McCain both vote yes on the TARP/No Banker Left Behind Bill. Why?

Because beneficiaries contributed large sums to their campaign... just some insight on how the Bilderberg Group controls our country and our politicians... and people VOTE for this!!!

There will be no investigation, no prosecution, and the wealth will continue to be funneled to our slave masters, the Fed and now the Treasury.

While I don't agree with RP on his idealistic religious views, I was able to identify what the important issues were and are, namely abolishing the Fed.

Think you got CHANGE and HOPE with Obama?

let's take a look:

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/13/obamas-ambiguity/


Funny how kooky conspiracy theorists like me seem to be the only ones that get it...?

For those of you who voted for Obama or McCain, when the economy really comes crashing down, maybe that will get you to stand up and start paying attention?

I won't hold my breath.

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Prophet's Profit
Posted by: cbishopp on Nov 18, 2008 1:26 PM   
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First things first, those who did not see this coming were not paying attention. The financial crisis has all the trademark traits of every other major shock/panic/false flag/terrorist attack that has happened under the Bush Administration. But the bushies are not alone. The entire Senate applauded for ITSELF after signing the bailout bill. I watched it on TV and it made me sick to my stomach.
Senator Feinstein from the great state of California stated on television that the bulk of the calls to her office (many thousand strong) were in opposition to this bill. I, myself, called, wrote emails and letters, and asked all my friends to do the same. A few days after the bill was passed she sent out an email telling us how we do not understand the "market" and that we are blessed to have legislators who are brave enough to do the right thing despite the opposition OF THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS!!!!
Don't they work for us??
Are not the Senate responsible for understanding how Washington works with all it's insider machinations and passing laws appropriate and beneficial to the people of this country? When a bunch of regular folks like you and I sit at home watching it all on TV know for certain that there is something that stunk about this bill from the start!!!
I can't use enough exclamation points!!
And why is the market considered this crazy machine with no name? Like how "the market" has temper tantrums if it does not get what it wants. The market is people (and not nearly as many as you think). The "market" has been manipulated and controlled to create panic. Isn't that a crime also? Why is no one under investigation by the SEC?
GOOD CHRIST PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!
We have been hijacked.
9-11 was a planned operation, Iraq was intended and planned for years in advance based partially on the work of one of Obama's top advisers, Zbigniew Burzynski.
There IS a cabal, they are stealing from you, they are sending your sons and daughters to die in the desert, they are robbing you at every corner and every turn.
If America is broken there will be no one to stand in their way.
One government, one currency, one court, and a wealthy elite that has access to all the world.
Here it comes.

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» OK prove it. Posted by: gellero1
Stand and Deliver!
Posted by: writerman on Nov 18, 2008 1:32 PM   
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I think the banks are effectively on strike, holding the nation to ransom, until they get what they want and that's more and more taxpayers money, what a farce!

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» RE: Stand and Deliver! Posted by: spillmind
Are you kidding me?
Posted by: dockboy on Nov 18, 2008 1:32 PM   
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Amy Goodman is either naive to the point of stupidity, or is plain dishonest. I suspect the latter. Anyone with eyes to read should be able to see that BOTH parties passed this bill.

In fact, the Democraps were salivating over the thought of passing the baillout. Nancy Pelosi went ballistic when the majority of Republicans were joined by some Dems in voting down the bill the first time around.

Remember, the Dems control both the House and Senate. For financial legislation, it is the Dems who control the purse strings, NOT the White House. Ms. Goodman is not stupid. Therefore I believe she's a dishonest hack.

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Heist of the Century?
Posted by: writerman on Nov 18, 2008 1:48 PM   
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Is this massive transfer of wealth, with virtually no control of where these staggerly large sums are going and why, really a form of daylight robbery?

It seems like, as Bush said, this sucker could go down, meaning the entire financial system. Now he's talking about the risk of a crisis worse than the Great Depression, unless Wallstreet gets what it wants. And people thought Bush was dumb, surely it's the rest of us who are dumb for letting these people get away with robbing us blind?

Are they transfering what's left of the treasury to the financial aristocracy because they know the system is, probably bust and goin' down, and this is a last, desparate opportunity to empty the bank and head for the hills?

It's interesting that the Dems are so quite and passive and reluctant to criticise what's happening, a billion here, a billion there, small change, nothing to worry about really!

Why I cynical is that they are going to pay out a couple of hundred billion in bonuses and dividends to shareholders, that's outrageous in the extreme and insult to ordinary Americans who are facing hardship, loosing their homes and jobs, an multi-millionaires are on luxury-welfare! What an insult! What a crime!

Yet we're not supposed to get angry or protest, but stay calm and wait patiently for the wealth to trickle down, why not let it float up instead and direct the welfare billions to the people at the bottom instead?

The twin party system is corrupt. What they want is silence. No one must call out that this is really class-warfare in action, the rich screwing the poor out of their hard-earned dollars and laughing at how stupid and credulous the ordinary people really are.

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The Worst is Yet To Come
Posted by: foius on Nov 18, 2008 2:29 PM   
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Unfortunately, for the American people who do not have the luxury of recession proof assets/wealth, the hard-times that are looming in our economic future serve as precursors to the "looting of the American Treasury" by the predatory capitalists/financiers/bankers of Wall Street and beyond. There will be no agglomeration of mutual, hedge, pension, or other funds to facilitate any foreseeable economic growth in the short/medium terms (next 3 quarters). The smart money is going into the corporate predators pockets. Where does this leave the rest of us? Writing down our assets? As long as middle-class America is massaged, and comforted by the status quo, there will be no upward mobility for those on the bottom. How will they get off the bottom without jobs, credit, and assets? Who matters in this new economic environment of "bailout based economic policy"? With the increase in unemployment and corporate layoffs, there is no "zero-sum" strategy in the works for corporate America. Downsizing is not an option...it is the overwhelming reality of an economy in the midst of a massive recession. Unless and until a jobs based infrastructure development Federal Program is implemented, help given to the auto industry, foreclosure reform requiring lenders to renegotiate sub-prime loans into conventional loans, and an emphasis on subsidizing major public works projects throughout the country, we can expect there will be more economic misery for the American consumer/worker. The prognosis is grim. We need a new economic foundation based on FULL EMPLOYMENT, and credit availability for every American worker. Write-off consumer debt and you have a working basis for a recovery in the purchasing power of the American consumer. Continuing down the path of "bailout economics" only delays the inevitable restructuring of the American economy.

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"We have work to do" "We'll hold Obama accountable" "We'll make sure he'll do the right thing"
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 18, 2008 2:43 PM   
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When there was a campaign you could at least get hold of an email address or a phone number. But now that he's in "transition" there's no such contact option.

Meanwhile all the do-gooders--who strong-armed nearly everyone else to stay on the two-party 'pipe and bitched and moaned about us third party traitors who dared challenge their "hope"/"change" ambiguity--promised they'd hold their guy's feet to the fire so he'd become the progressive they kept dreaming he was in their crack-haze delusion.

How's that working out for us so far?

Lessee... owning class millionaires in all positions selected thus far, advisers all from the Republikaaner bailout and torture camps...

About as "progressive" as Himmler. Can't wait till they relocate my neighborhood to an economic re-education camp. Should be lots of fun.

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Productivity
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 18, 2008 8:19 PM   
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productivity is a function of capital ( machinery ), not of dedication to the job.

Labor is not the end all of existence.

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Are you being sarcastic melpol?
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 19, 2008 2:12 PM   
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I read and re-read your post. I think you're serious. You don't think the Chinese workers are so sweet and compliant because they have NO HUMAN RIGHTS? Because they'll be jailed if they attempt collective bargaining or if they go on strike? You don't think it has anything to do with their cuddly totalitarian government? Believe me, China does not have the world's lowest wages. It has the world's best behaved work force. That's why capitalist overlords like to open factories there.

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» Ignorance is Bliss Posted by: gellero1
rn
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 18, 2008 7:51 PM   
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Good interview. What Klein mentions in passing is the concept of the Green Zone.Based on the one in Iraq. We have created a nation of green zones. Fort Apache the Bronx
A wealthy privatized privileged class of protected interests that is surrounded by violence and poverty. The bail out is building and forming a protected green zone around a few of what is Bushes/Obamas base, All the rest of us will fight over leftover crumbs.This has been done in France before their revolution.In modern America , no such revolution like that will happen due to the presence of a vast security state apparatus to watch all of us. Why do you think that the FISA bill was passed by both parties/?
Most of America is totally excluded from any wealth that will go into this bail out. Do not expect any help to the foreclosed homeowner.
Clearly the way out of all this is through some type middle class revolution.Start by buying nothing for Christmas.Save your money. Strangle them at our grass roots, don't give in to consumerism..........They will die.

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some thoughts of others
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 18, 2008 8:24 PM   
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"... the worst is yet to come. A vast amount of problematic mortgages have not begun to reset their variable interest rates and go into default. We already have unprecedented deficits, spending is out of control, and more big industries are coming to government with their hands out. My hope is that this administration will handle this economic crisis better than the interventionists and big government spenders of the 1930's, the bureaucrats that prolonged the Depression. I hope that new government programs and spiderwebs of red tape do not pop up to interfere with American productivity, and that we can quickly get our financial footing again. We have to understand that an economic correction needs to take place and the only way out of the coming recession is to go through it. Efforts to avoid it can only prolong it. I hope we can somehow find our way back to sound money and reject corporate cronyism." - Ron Paul



"There are a number of plausible candidates for the next bubble, but only a few meet all the criteria. Health care must expand to meet the needs of the aging baby boomers, but there is as yet no enabling government legislation to make way for a health-care bubble; the same holds true of the pharmaceutical industry, which could hyperinflate only if the Food and Drug Administration was gutted of its power. A second technology boom - under the rubric 'Web 2.0'- is based on improvements to existing technology rather than any new discovery. The capital intensive biotechnology industry will not inflate, as it requires too much specialized intelligence. There is one industry that fits the bill: alternative energy."

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more scary thoughts
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 18, 2008 8:38 PM   
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"Given policy makers" gargantuan efforts to fight the current deflation impulse and with nearly a century of history under its belt, I am inclined to think the current system will grind on to - as most trends do - a final blow off. This blow off would take the form of the most intense inflation problem to date and could ultimately break the system." - Gary Tanashian

"In its embarrassment at being called a "Do-Nothing Congress" the 110th Congress took decisive action and did SOMETHING. No matter that it was the wrong thing. In fact, it wasn't until the Senate had a chance to load it up with even MORE spending, when it was finally inflationary and horrible enough, at $850 billion instead of a mere $700 billion, that it passed - and with a comfortable margin, in spite of constituent calls still coming in overwhelmingly against it. 57 members switched their vote!" - Ron Paul


"My view of the financial crisis is that it is going to last a long time, and that there will be no easy fix, even if we had some really smart people trying to solve the problem, which we do not. Three weeks ago most congress persons had no more awareness of the problems we are facing than the man on the street. How much confidence do you have that the very people who caused the problem are suddenly going to become smart enough to fix it? In my opinion, they are only going to make it worse." - Carl Swenlin

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Ranger1
Posted by: ranger1 on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 PM   
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Crash the economy...fire the workers and then buy the residual undervalued companies with the cash the bankers personally squirreled away from the oil and war speculative ripoff activities...start the companies up again in 12-14 months and make another bundle.

Why can't our Congress and Senate see it? The trouble is that they do see it and can't wait to get their inside information to buy the shares and get the dividends. Its kinda similar to 1773 when the English Parliment bailed out the Indies Trading Company by lowering their costs of doing business at the expense of the colonial small businesses who did not get "bailed out".

I'm sending a copy of this article immediately to my senator and representative...

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The Poverty of Philosophy
Posted by: jbpaz on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 AM   
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After Proudhon wrote "The Philosophy of Poverty" Karl Marx answered with his book "The Poverty of Philosophy" to refute it.
Naomi Wolf describes the theft of $700 billions and her readers promise to write their Congressmen with complaints.
Who do they think engineered the theft?
If any government official blows the whistle on them, he will go the way of Eliot Spitzer. The FBI has complete dossiers on most of them.
Nobody can clean Washington until most of the leadership sit in prison.

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» loL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Posted by: gellero1
Grassroots Pressure
Posted by: diamondj on Nov 19, 2008 4:49 AM   
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Every-one of us needs to write or email their elected officials and demand they investigate this matter. Pressure from constituents is the only way to get these politicians to respond. And if they do not, Vote Them Out Of Office.

Contact your officials immediately. I’ve already done so!

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» Too Late Posted by: Artkansas