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R.I.P.: The Financial Experts, 1929-2008

By Sasan Fayazmanesh, CounterPunch. Posted November 15, 2008.


What's the likely fallout of our economic crisis? Nobody knows for sure -- but the economists won't admit it.
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A recent invitation to speak on the "cause or causes of the current financial crisis" made me reflect on another topic: "the cause or causes of the Great Depression." To this day there is no consensus among economists as to what caused the severe depression that lasted from 1929 to 1939. Was it the stock market crash in 1929 that brought about the Great Depression? Was it the subsequent banking panics and monetary contraction? Perhaps it was the reduction in international lending and protectionist policies pursued by the US -- such as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act -- that caused the Great Depression. Or perhaps the "great contraction," as Milton Friedman used to call it [1], was caused by the actions of the Federal Reserve, which allowed a decline in the money supply partly to preserve the gold standard. All such explanations are, of course, ad hoc.

The fact of the matter is that the economic "brains" of the 1920s, the so-called experts, could neither foresee the coming disaster nor, once it was under way, could predict correctly its magnitude and duration. In their 1984 book, The Experts Speak: The Definitive Compendium of Authoritative Misinformation, Christopher Cerf and Victor Navasky mention many of the predictions and comments made by the economic "experts" during the Great Depression.[2] Among these are the following. On October 17, 1929, seven days before the stock market crash of "Black Thursday," Irving Fisher, the Guru of mainstream economics and professor of economics at Yale University, wrote: "Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." Fisher, the "economic expert," did not stop there. After the crash, on November 14, 1921, he wrote: "The end of the decline of the Stock Market will . . . probably not be long, only a few more days at most." A year after the crash, and nine years before the end of the depression, Fisher was still predicting:  "For the future, at least, the outlook is bright." By 1933 the net investment had turned negative, output of goods and services had declined by one third, unemployment rate had risen to 24%, money wages and prices had fallen by one third, nearly 40% of all banks had collapsed and stocks had lost 90% of their value. This was the "bright" future that the eminent professor of economics had promised.

Fisher, however, was not the only "expert" providing authoritative misinformation. Presidential Advisor and stock market "expert" Bernard Baruch made the following prediction on November 15, 1929: "Financial storm has definitely passed." Similarly, the Chairman of the Continental Illinois Bank of Chicago, Arthur Reynolds, predicted on October 24, 1929, that the "crash is not going to have much effect on business." Not to be outdone by these "experts," in the World Almanac of 1929, Thomas C. Shotwell wrote under the "Wall Street Analysis": "The market is following natural laws of economics and there is no reason why both prosperity and the market should not continue for years at this high level or even higher." The government experts were not far behind. The US Department of Labor predicted in December of 1929 that the following year will be "a splendid employment year."

To be sure, there are always those who "predict seven of the past two recessions," as the joke goes.  The Great Depression was no exception. The New York Times of October 12, 2008, which reproduced many of the above quotations, added: "Of course, not everyone was so optimistic." According to the Times, "Roger Babson, a well-known businessman and publisher of business and financial statistics," offered this warning in a speech before a business conference on September 5, 1929: "More people are borrowing and speculating today than ever in our history. Sooner or later a crash is coming and it may be terrific. Wise are those investors who now get out of debt and reef their sails." But as the Times also pointed out, a year earlier, the same Babson had said that "the election of Hoover and a Republican Congress should result in continued prosperity in 1929."

Why were the experts so wrong? They were wrong mostly because economics is an underdeveloped discipline dominated by pure, unabashed ideology. The dominant school of economic thought during the Great Depression was, and remains to this day, the "neoclassical" or marginalist school. But in the "neoclassical" world there is no such thing as a crisis. This is not the real world in which we live. It is a classless world, consisting of "consumers" and "producers." It is a harmonious world modeled mostly after mathematical physics. In such a world there is no history; there is no past, no present and no future. Nothing of consequence ever happens in this world, especially no catastrophic event. This unreal, insipid and a-historical marginalist world should have been abandoned a long time ago, particularly after the Great Depression. Yet, its seemingly mathematical elegance combined with its unadulterated and brazen defense of capitalism, or "free market" as its proponents prefer to call it, has kept it alive. Of course, since the Great Depression the "neoclassical" theory has been somewhat amended by a few ideas from the British aristocrat John Maynard Keynes, ideas that tried to add some elements of reality to the unreal theory. But the result, the so-called "neoclassical synthesis" or "neo-Keynesianism," is no more than a hodgepodge of disjointed, unclear and incoherent ideas that are fed to the students of economic theory under the rubric of "micro" and "macroeconomics."

This sad state of affairs does not allow much intelligent analysis of the past or present.  It also does not allow one to forecast the future, particularly crises. As a 1988 article, written by some mainstream economists and published in the most dominant economic journal, contended: "Neither contemporary forecasters nor modern times-series analysts could have forecast the large declines in output following the Crash [of 1929]." [3] In other words, there was nothing in the toolkit of the Great Depression era economics, or today's mainstream version of it, that allows us to understand severe economic downturns and forecast them. Yet, explanations of the "causes" of the current crises are widespread.

Among other things, the 2008 financial woes have been attributed to mortgaged backed securities, particularly those associated with subprime mortgages; the housing bubble, which was made worse by predatory, risky and careless lending; exotic financial instruments or derivatives that were allegedly devised by some wunderkind mathematician or physicist on Wall Street, for example, credit default swaps; the events of September 11, 2001, the subsequent US invasion of Iraq and increase in oil prices; irrational exuberance in the stock market followed by a bear market; the Federal Reserve's repeated reduction in the discount rate and targeted fed funds rate in 2001-2003, the wrongheadedness of the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Mr. Alan Greespan, who recently found himself in a "state of shocked disbelief" to learn that "the self-interest of lending institutions" might not "protect shareholders' equity" [4]; deregulation of the banking industry, particularly the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 or Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act; liquidity problems in general; lack of confidence in the financial system and the credit market, etc.

While each of these "causal" explanations, or a combination of them, might have some merit and need to be explored further, they are mostly after-the-fact explanations.  None of the economists who are popping up in the media today explaining what caused the economic woes of 2008 was able to forecast the crisis a year or two earlier. To be sure, there is always a Roger Babson or a "Dr. Doom" that predicts seven of the last two recessions. But among thousands of economists, the odds are that one or two would be right in forecasting something once in a while. Let us, of course, not forget those who shamelessly forecasted such things as "The Great Depression of 1990." They might make fame and fortune before 1990, but now the used copies of their books sell for $0.01on Amazon.com.

Financial panics and severe economic downturns are nothing new in a capitalist economy. The history of this economic system, since at least the age of classical political economy, shows that monetary crises and "gluts" occur relatively frequently. This is expected. An economy in which goods are produced not for use but for profit is bound to have gluts now and then. Moreover, in an economic system where acquisitive behavior is considered to be virtuous and greed is said to be good one should expect the relentless creation of new and exotic financial instruments by those on the Wall Street -- and, prior to that, on Lombard Street -- to swindle one another. One should also expect to see the persistent and ingenious attempts by the money-lenders and the industrialists to prevent new regulations and circumvent the existing ones. Furthermore, in an economy where the livelihood of the masses depends on the whims and wishes of captains of the industry or the financiers, one should expect the masses to be called upon to "bailout" the same tycoons when they are pinched. Such measures, as President Bush said in his October 14, 2008, discussion of the economy, are "not intended to take over the free market, but to preserve it." These are all expected. What is not expected is our ability to predict exactly when this slumbering beast wakes up, shakes off and lashes out. We do not have the theoretical edifice to allow such forecasting. Those who with great confidence explain the causes of the current crises, as well as those who, post mortem, explained with remarkable certainty the causes of the Great Depression, are probably the ones who least understand the nature of the beast.

As for me, I am glad that my interview concerning the "cause or causes of the current financial crisis" was indefinitely postponed due to "technical difficulties." My answers probably would not have been what the interviewer expected to hear.

 

Notes

[1] "The Role of Monetary Policy," Milton Friedman, The American Economic Review, Vol. 58, No. 1 (March, 1968), pp. 1-17.

[2] An expanded and updated version of the book appeared in 1998.

[3] "Forecasting the Depression: Harvard versus Yale," Kathryn M. Dominguez, Ray C. Fair and Matthew D. Shapiro, The American Economic Review, Vol. 78, No. 4 (September, 1988), pp. 595-612.   

[4] "Greenspan Concedes Flaws In Deregulatory Approach," The New York Times, October 24, 2008.

 

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Sasan Fayazmanesh is Professor of Economics at
California State University, Fresno. He can be reached at: sasan.fayazmanesh@gmail.com

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Posted by: Spot on Nov 15, 2008 12:13 AM   
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nice to see counterpunch get its minute in the sun. too bad the article isn't formatted.

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a link to the article on its home site
Posted by: Spot on Nov 15, 2008 12:16 AM   
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» Thank you Spot on Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Study of economics is all hype, no substance
Posted by: xvictor on Nov 15, 2008 5:25 AM   
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I was required to take macroeconomics in school. It was so boring. In one of the financial newsletters I receive, the author (whom I read and respected for years) noted, in light of recent events, that any economist who knows more than four formulas is functionally useless. I had to study more than four of 'em and did feel it was a waste of time.

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» Thank you, chorton Posted by: pelican beak
» Math? or Logic? Posted by: pelican beak
The Great Depression started in 1919 and before
Posted by: geocshaw on Nov 15, 2008 9:39 AM   
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The comments about economics being a-historical are rather good, because most economists are a-historical.
One has to go back to the collapse of the wheat market in 1919 to begin to understand the 1929 Great Depression. Of course, if one wants to understand why the wheat market collapsed, one must go back to WWI.
Because of the historical perspective, and because I taught history and economics for many years, I have been saying that our present collapse was coming. One can't say exactly when since there are many possible triggers, but one, by using history and economics, can say that the groundwork is laid for severe economic and financial problems.

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Expert economic analysis has been ignored
Posted by: alturn on Nov 15, 2008 9:59 AM   
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In 1989-1991, a series of press releases were put out commenting on, among other things, the start of an economic crash that would start in Japan and spread around the world. Various economic tricks and bubbles have propped up the old system and slowed, but not altered, the global crash then predicted.

The following statements were from that time:

"The forthcoming stock exchange crash, and when it does come it will bring the present economic system to its knees. Then the true dialogue between the developed and the developing world will begin. Japan is the fulcrum which will set the process of the crash in motion."

"The present economic systems are crumbling. The Japanese economy has cracks in it; it will soon come to an end. It is clear now that pure capitalism has come to an end. It has no future whatsoever. The economy, education, the environment — everything — will be placed within the context of global social democracy in which everyone participates. Communism also is coming to an end."

"Old political systems are coming to an end. In the new systems, Maitreya says, even market forces will be based on social consciousness. Market forces will not be 'in charge' of social consciousness. It is social consciousness which will guide market forces."

"Money multiplied by money contributes to the stress of modern life. Money is not the priority; sufficiency is the priority. When sufficiency becomes the priority, it orders society in a different way, creating stability. In this regard, sharing is both a moral value and a method of implementation. This will create a more peaceful atmosphere, in which people will not struggle to make millions. They will fulfil their duties, care for their families, and children will be able to evolve."

These press releases were put out by Share International, which has acted as the disseminator of information from the World Teacher Maitreya.

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This guy is a Professor?
Posted by: IPF on Nov 15, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Actually Fisher was right - the future has been more than bright. It realy depends on your perspective, now doesn't it?

I mean, if you are looking for quick fixes and fast money, then things are awful. But for those of us who are in it for the long run(the working stiff), and take a more pragmatic view, then this is no more than the fast money crowd losing their shirt.

There are no free rides. I've been working since I was eighteen, and will continue without retiring. Retirement is a vacuous and pretentious lie to make you feel you've arrived.
Actually, having the right to work on till I die will not be taken away from me.

But, is he seriously saying nobody knows? And he's an economics professor? What a charlatan. This is the problem with the media today - it gives space and credibility to asses like this.
On the one hand he earns a living as an Economics professor, and on the other gets paid to write articles that summarize economics as "underdeveloped discipline dominated by pure, unabashed ideology" and "hodgepodge of disjointed, unclear and incoherent ideas that are fed to the students of economic theory under the rubric of "micro" and "macroeconomics". In other words, he is pushing propaganda.

And this web site finds this article, out of hundreds of thousands out there, and decides to "web print" it. Need I say more?

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» Hey bozo, Fisher lost his money Posted by: ReallyBearish
So Who Did Predict It?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 15, 2008 11:34 AM   
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Dean Baker? Nourini?

I've been seeing predictions of this collapse, based primarily on the huge overload of debt. Maybe the people who made those correct predictions should be put in charge.

A reminder of the fundamental problems with economics is very useful. It is clearly not a science, despite its infatuation with math and its seductively correct underpinnings. That is, the initial analysis of how a market works is clearly correct. For one thing, it's very closely related to evolution and is a logical extension of it. But it goes very wrong from there.

I've seen an explanation from the environmental economist Herman Daly, as follows:

1st: Misplaced concreteness, more often called mistaking the map (in this case, money) for the territory (in this case, the real economy.) The error is compounded because money, being an abstraction, can expand indefinitely, but the real economy, being, well, real, cannot. Hence, inflation and collisions with the wall.

Economists actually believe the economy can expand indefinitely, even though it's enclosed in a box we call the real world. This is delusional thinking, and guarantees false results.

Second: Historically, economics was captured by the trading class, and became little more than propaganda for its interests. Today, it's worse: it belongs to the financial class that just crashed the economy.

There are exceptions among economists, like Daly, Dean Baker, or the author here. But they're generally hard to find, and unlikely to be put in power by a corporatist government.

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» RE: So Who Did Predict It? Peter Schiff Posted by: left_libertarian
Not quite
Posted by: Salaberry on Nov 15, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Very good points but, errm... "aristocrat" is not correct for Keynes. Being created 1st Baron Keynes doesn't quite cut it, although it technically ennobles. (I know, I'm being both fussy and a snob, but if it's that unimportant why mention it at all?)

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A correction for the author
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 15, 2008 12:33 PM   
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The article made a snide reference to Ravi Batra's book THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF 1990. In fact, Batra was very close to being right. The S&L crisis and the Japanese stock market crash (not to mention the fall of the Soviet Union) were all events that could have led to a 1930s style Depression. Why didn't it happen? The Japanese "carry trade" used most of their savings built up over decades to buy American bonds, bring down long term interest rates and create a bubble in the US stock market. That basically saved the US. If it weren't for the Japanese, we could have had a Depression right then and there.

Chances are that the establishment economists had kept that book in mind during the early 1990s. Unfortunately, all we did was to delay the disaster. As one non-establishment economist put it, we staved off a Depression that we could get out of for one we may never get out of. This was our economic appointment in Samaria. I'd strongly suggest taking a look at the Kondratiev Wave theory-- something that establishment economists dismiss.

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THE ONLY THING ABOUT MILTON FRIEDMAN THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 15, 2008 1:17 PM   
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his basic premise was wrong. Hence everything that follows is trash. He says that if you will clean out all of the socialism in a society everything will go perfectly. The Bolshevicks said that if you will clean out all of the capitalism in a society everthing will go perfectly. Friedman, Bush, the Neocons, and the Bolshevicks (read communists) all have this in common. It is always interesting what radicals have in common.

At their strongest the poor Soviets never had a propaganda machine to match the current right wing in the United States. The right wing think tanks, hate radio, corporate TV, and corporate newspapers consume at least a thousand million a year and maybe four or five times that. Engels used the words 'political economy' in his foreword. When you run into someone that tries to separate the two make a point of avoiding them. They qualify as stupid or, hopefully, just disingenuous.

I would remind you that Henry Kissinger once said that economics bored him.

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susheela
Posted by: susheela8 on Nov 15, 2008 2:43 PM   
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Love it!

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Nov 15, 2008 6:23 PM   
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All those theories (but they are symptoms of the real problem) are wrong. The Great Depression (as well as most economic crashes) was caused by overproduction. Overproduction is the achilles heel of the industrial age. Whether its houses, stocks,or tulip bulbs, it all turns out the same. Mass production leads to overproduction - how many widgets do consumers need? Once consumers are tapped out, the economy will decline.

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» RE: parrotuya Posted by: chorton
» Wrong! Posted by: ReallyBearish
Peak oil
Posted by: ischindl on Nov 16, 2008 3:25 AM   
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Since the 1970's there has been a debate between the "peakists" and neo-classical economists. The peakists (who consist of geologists, physicists, engineers and more recently financiers in the energy sector) say:

"Peak oil is eminent and will have grave consequences."

Up until this month, management of oil companies said:

"Peak oil is far off, give us access to the worlds oil and there will be no worries".

I say this month because the recently released International Energy Agency report (an industry controlled energy research organization) has moved the estimated peak forward (from 2025) and lowered it (from 115 million barrels per day). The report uses very strong language warning of possible energy shortages in the coming years.

Economists say:

"Peak oil is unimportant, the free market will solve all problems"

In my opinion, the peakists are 3 or 4 arguments ahead of the economists. For example the peakists reject the neo-classical model of economic growth in favor of the Ayers-Warr model of economic growth (Ayers has a PhD in physics). As David Strahan intimates in his book, in any other science the neoclassical model of growth is so bad that it would not have be published. The economists gave the author a Nobel prize for it. In particular, the Ayers-Warr model of economic growth says that the role of energy in economic growth is underestimated in the neo-classical theory by a factor of 14. An immediate corollary is that peak oil will correspond to peak world economic output. The peakists have been waiting for the current crisis for some time, they say that one sign that peak oil has arrived will be a collapse of the world financial system.

10 years ago I bought stocks in the hopes of an early retirement, today I am buying insulation to have a comfortable house without heat, and chickens to be able to afford eggs in my old age.

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Economist are out of Touch with Reality and Common Sense
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 16, 2008 6:55 AM   
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I havea neice with a PhD in economics, but can not personally organize her own life demands.
She can think in lofty philosphical terms, but when it comes to down to earth day to day issues..she's always a day late & a dollar short.This short coming did not bar her from a great paying job with multiple respsonsiblities, in fact I think it is one of those psuedo admirable traits...As if great minds are always exactly like Einsteins.Great mathmatical mind, but could barely remember anything about his own personal 'upkeep'. This might be acceptable in mathmatics, but when you are disassociated from the realities of an Economy, your eccentricisties ends up Screwing all those who actually LIVE in the Economy you have fantasized about. All great in theory, but the application killed the Country!aka Trickle Down. So claiming Greenspan is a 'Brillant economist' is fine, But hire someone who comprehends the nuts and bolts of the Economy from a more grounded, Logical (common sense) Prespective.
'Trickle Down' was Greenspans 'the Emperor has No Clothes'

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They did know about coming crisis, the bailout
Posted by: Ghoulman on Nov 16, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Great article, but I contend this statement is fairly inaccurate.

"None of the economists who are popping up in the media today explaining what caused the economic woes of 2008 was able to forecast the crisis a year or two earlier."

Well sure, in the media. The US media is nothing but corporate propaganda. Period.

Two years earlier everyone on Wall Street and around the world knew what a 'bubble' was. They know bubbles burst.

It was a little less than a year ago that the U.S., Europe, Canada, etc. already dumped 300 Billion into the very same banks and lending agencies (Which are practically money laundering ops or 'boiler rooms' at best).

Did the world think things would just work out? Did Alan Greenspan? He spent his time quiting his job and writing a book full of lies about how wonderful it's all been (to get horrifically rich while the nation around him dropped into 3rd world level poverty) and attacking Naomi Klien as 'anti-capitalist'.

Ideology is all this is. The Keynsian, Friedman, 'free market, Globalization, Free Trade, Wall Street Ayn Rand freaks who are the elite of this world. The elite who attack anyone as an 'anti-capitalist'... you know, a commie. A traitor. A terrorist.

What? Never watched Glen Beck? You're either with us or against us and this economic ideology is just as much part of the 'Straussian' reality narrative the Right have pummeled the rest of the world with. And got rich beyond their dreams. No crime, no murder, no torture was beyond their righteous crusades.

Was Alan Greenspan actually surprised the bubble burst? Did I not just mention he got out before everything crashed and the bubble burst? Think about it.

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» Correct! Posted by: ReallyBearish
free marketism's strangle hold on political economy and its y material consequences
Posted by: jtroane on Nov 16, 2008 11:55 AM   
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The hegemony of free marketism (and the simultaneous exclusion of Marxist and even Keynesian economic understandings) has been a project of the right since at least the 1940's when members of what would become the Chicago school hatched their plan to assert free marketism as THE economic logic. And from its inception, this has been a project to disposses the world majority. As Rosa Luxemburg demonstrated many decades ago, primative accumulation was no one time event by which the peasants of Europe, the peoples of the African Continent, and the Indigenous folks of the Americas were dispossesed in order that proto capitalists could take possession, rather the accumulation of capital hinges always upon the dispossession of others. perhas we can exploit this moment of rupture in the hegemony of free marketism to reassert and rearticulate alternative visions for the world political economy.

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Hope Beams at us from a small but growing corner of the world from where the Post-Keynesians Lurk...
Posted by: yellow on Nov 16, 2008 2:36 PM   
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These are the folks who, like Marx, understand that mature capitalism is chronically stagnant not only due to monopoly control of production which is the real cause of inflation but because late capitalism so concentrates wealth and income that the reproduction of the accumulation process becomes increasingly difficult, if not impossible, due to ever decreasing levels of effective consumer demand. It is here that financialization becomes the means by which the system is sustained during the upswing of the business cycle during which time, investors become, according to Hyman Minsky, less and less risk averse and more likely to financially innovate and speculate to keep the system going in lieu of declining average real incomes. Bubbles, crisis and crashes lead to chaos and increase the size of the state even as privatization proceeds unabated. The distribution of wealth skews even more and the system becomes more unstable. Crises get worse and of longer duration. Stagflation becomes the norm. Paul Sweezy, a self described Marxist who actually is a left post-Keynesian puts it best,

Keynes's theory of the way to manage the capitalist economy through a combination of monetary and fiscal policies assumed that so long as unemployed workers and unused productive capacity existed, expansion of effective demand would call forth increased output up to the point of full employment. But in a regime of non-competitive prices, the increase in demand is met by both an increase in output and a rise in prices; and at a certain stage, which may be reached long before full employment, the price effect so far outweighs the output effect as to negate the effectiveness of the whole strategy. When this happens we have the phenomenon of chronic stagflation.

Post-Keynesians like Sweezy and others disagree that there is a secular tendency for the profit rate to fall under monopoly capitalism nor does chronic higher average unemployment prevent all wages from rising although the stagnation of the growth of real wages under late capitalism does seem to perisist.

Post-Keynesians like Sweezy, Kalecki, Steindl and Sraffa all agree that capitalism must in some way be replaced entirely while more mainstream Post-Keynesians like Robinson, Kaldor, Minsky and Pasinetti see the future of capitalism as a highly mixed economy with a large public sector to own basic infrasture like utilities and basic services and lead investment booms via counter-cyclical taxing and spending fiscal policies. Progressive taxation, public investment and policies to sustain average wages and incomes would be the main functions of the state. Financial regulation and capital controls to sustain stability would also be important policy tools. This would control excessive speculative activity.

I believe Post-Keynsian analysis and recommendations to be sound. They need to be given their day in court.

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economist are big fraudulant politiciced persons with their vested agenda-example- this Indian PM.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 16, 2008 3:16 PM   
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the many people who are labelled economists are only labelled as such when they have proved themselves to be sebservient to thebig business aganda=othwer economis professors donot get air time or any tv exposure .

one example of this fraud called economuics faculty is that of a so called economist prime misniter of India the bastrds manmohan singh who is baqsicalle an anglosaxon agent and is working for the british and american interests throu out-he is yeltsin of India. he was parachuted into indian poiltics by the americans on big noise of his being economist while he was one of the lower funtionary of the world bank.
such are the economists -that bastrds -a real rabid free amrkeeters has been keeping quiet for last 3 months when his economic model is in ruins in the west of which he is worhipful and an agent.

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Edward R Dewey and Cycles
Posted by: RayTomes on Nov 17, 2008 5:50 PM   
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Edward R Dewey was appointed by the President as an economist to report on why the 1930s depression happened. He said that he talked to hundreds of economists about it and got a different answer from every one. The only one that he considered to be correct was the one that said "we really don't know".

Later he and others discovered that there are a whole series of economic cycles of various lengths interacting and coming together at that time as they all went down together. There was the Kondratieff cycle of 53 years, the Kuznets of 18 years, the Juglar of 9 years and the Kitchen of 3 to 4 years. Running these forward from previous observations of these cycles predicts the crash.

Furthermore, when I took Dewey's published cycles from the 1960s and ran them forward they predicted the 1987 share crash, although they were one month out. I did this in 1986 and at that time was able to say "1987 will be 1929 revisited".

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Oil and Commodity Cycles
Posted by: RayTomes on Nov 17, 2008 6:06 PM   
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You might also consider oil and commodity cycles part in the present economic mess. Analysis of over 100 years of oil prices shows two main cycles, one of about 30 years and the other of 5.54 years.

On the 30 year cycle there are a series of events that have been very similar for almost every cycle:- USA involved in hugely expensive war (1940s WW II, 1970s Viet Nam, 2000s Iraq) along with extreme oil price and other commodity price increases. This makes sens because commodities are priced in US dollars and the currency is being debased by war spending.

In July 2005, I found that the 5.54 year cycle was due to peak in August 2008 which was reasonably accurate. However the 30 year cycle will not peak until the next 5.54 year peak in early 2014 when it is possible that a US$300 per barrel price will be reached.

See http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org for an article on oil prices written in 2005. Since writing that article I found earlier data on oil prices that confirm the 30 year cycle for a number of further cycles back.

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it's like the dinosaurs, ya know?
Posted by: grammasanity on Nov 18, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Remember it was the small burrowing rodent-like mammals that survived to become.... The earth is still very friendly to those who care to nurture her. You can't eat money, you can't get any real value from paper, unless you use it to write the great American novel or something. When the big guys crash, it's time for the little guys to draw on our creativity and help build a sustainable and earth-friendly human infrastructure to Completely Replace the current system that regularly harvests the wealth of America for the use of whomever they decide is worthy.
Grow your own veggies next year. Run for local office the year after that. Organize a river restoration project in 2011. The sky is the limit, if our feet stay on the ground. We all know what needs to be done. Just keep doing it until we get it done. Yes we can.

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Nov 19, 2008 9:52 AM   
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Inflation is NOT the price of goods and services rising, but the value of our currency declining, and this is happening because the FED prints money for the government out of thin air, and not in proportion to the GDP.
Only the first person to use this money gets its full value...as this "extra" money enters circulation, it pulls its value from the other currency, and devalues the entire money supply-because the more you got of something, the less
it's worth.
This is the true cause of inflation.
Also, our banks operate on this "fractional reserve system" which allows them to loan out ten times more money than what they have in reserve...For instance, a new bank opens, and
someone deposits a hundred dollars. That bank can now loan out a 1000 dollars, legally.
By these methods, money is moved from the lower and middle class continually upwards to
the rich.
The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE bank whose sole concern is for themselves and their secret shareholders...They say "we are owned by our member banks," but this is nothing but
semantics. The FED is a private corporation
that charges the U.S. government a fee for its services, when the government could print its own money, debt and interest free. Our money
supply is completely based on debt-if we payed off all the debt, there would not be one penny
in circulation.
We must take back the right to print money.
It is not the "natural business cycle" that causes these booms and busts--they are caused
from the FED expanding and then contracting the
money supply. They are the ones that benefit
from depressions, as they buy up homes, stocks, businesses, etc. for pennies on the dollar. First, they expand the money supply,
and lower interest rates..then, when everyone's
in the basket (except for those whom the FED looks out for..isn't it amazing that members of the FED in 1929, like the Rockefellers, all
got out just in time???)they contract the money
supply, and cut off credit. Then, they have their agents clean up for pennies on the dollar.

"Bankers own the earth. Take it away from
them, but leave them the power to create money,
and with the flick of a pen they will create enough money to buy it back again.
However, take away from them the power to create money, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in.
But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers, and pay the cost of your own
slavery, let them continue to create money."
--Sir Josiah Stamp, Former Director of
The Bank of England.

"History records that the money changers
(just another word for these private bankers)
have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain
their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance."--James Madison

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Nov 19, 2008 10:28 AM   
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President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into Law, but later deeply regretted doing so:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now dependent on its system of credit. We are no longer a government
by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a
government by the opinion and duress of a small
group of dominant men."-President W. Wilson

The government only allows the FED to operate because the government constantly needs money. So, really, the FED is, per se,
a private corporation, but more accurately it's
a hybrid..not truly a government agency, and
not completely a private corporation...It's a private central bank set up in the fashion of a cartel, that works with the government. The
government only accepts it because it always needs money, and this is due, in large part, to the military
industrail complex (remember Jefferson talking about "the corporations that will rise up" around these private banks?) which constantly pushes for war. That's another problem: we now have a war-based economy, while industry has shrunk immensely.
So, in my opinion, the money we have spent on the war, combined with the housing bubble,
had a significant role in creating what will
probably be a terrible depression, worse than
what happened in 1929;though I hope I'm wrong. Peak oil is also another huge factor.
However, we could correct these problems if we reformed our banking system--outlawed
fractional reserve banking, and do as Abraham
Lincoln suggested:


"The Government should create, issue, and
circulate all the currency. Creating and issuing money is the Supreme Prerogative of
government and its greatest creative opportunity.
Adopting these principles will save the taxpayers immense sums of interest, and money
shall cease to be the master and become the
servant of humanity."--President A. Lincoln

For anyone interested in a further discussion of how the Federal Reserve is
robbing us all through the "invisible" tax of
inflation (since the FED was adopted, the U.S. dollar has declined in value by over 90%. Most
put the number at about 95%--which is why a
candy bar used to cost a nickel and now costs
about a dollar)and how the economists who made
this video predicted our current situation as
far back as '96. Anyway, it's a movie, a long one--215 mins--avilable on google video, called
"The Money Masters--How International Bankers Gained Control of America." Make sure you watch the newest edition..I think it's the only one that's 215 mins long. Also, Republic Magazine has an entire issue devoted to the FED
this month. You can get a digital copy for free..and if you choose the PDF format, you can
even save a copy of the magazine.
A debt-free currency could save us-and it should be backed by silver, not gold, which is too rare and easily controlled by the same minority group. Currently, our money is backed by nothing.

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In this current...
Posted by: Lisa P on Nov 20, 2008 9:17 PM   
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In this current economic situation, there needs to be some kind of viable way to repair credit lines and get the economy moving again. Treasury Secretary Paulson’s Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, doesn’t seem to cover enough. The FDIC’s chairperson, Sheila Bair, has set up her own strategy; a $24 billion plus plan for the 1.5 million homeowners facing foreclosure. Her idea is to give a stimulus of $1,000 to lenders for each renegotiated loan to owners in danger of heading to foreclosure. In the event of default, the FDIC will take on up to half of the burden. Paulson hates it, straight away, and proclaims that its just more spending that will lead to the bankruptcy of the FDIC. Some others view Bair’s actions as one of the first real attempts to help repair credit of the banking system and get cash flowing again. Click to read more on Credit Repair.

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