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Our Economy May Be in a Death Spiral -- Will Washington Stop the Bleeding?

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted November 15, 2008.


The Bush-Paulson plan isn't doing anything to address the underlying problems threatening America's economic future.

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In September, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson sold his $700 billion bailout to Congress on the premise that banks were hoarding money to prop up their balance sheets and that this was bringing the economy to a screeching halt.

Paulson has thrown a big chunk of that money at the banks -- all but $60 billion of the first $350 billion authorized by Congress has been committed -- and they've started lending to each other. But it has done virtually nothing to prevent the worst-case economic scenario we are all worried may come to pass -- a meltdown of the "brick and mortar" economy -- because the banks still aren't lending to the general public.

That's not just a result of the banks restricting loans that would allow businesses to stay afloat, if not expand, and individuals to buy so much of the stuff that the global economy produces. It's also because there are fewer American families and businesses that are credit-worthy.

In the housing market, that's indicated by a drop-off in the number of new loan applications. Mortgage applications are down by about a third from this time last year. As economist Dean Baker noted this week, "If people with good credit were being turned down, we would expect the number of applications to be rising, as they apply to several banks before finally finding one that will issue a loan. The fact that applications are actually declining ... is solid evidence that the problem is not that otherwise credit-worthy borrowers can't get loans. The problem is that people are not credit-worthy."

With the housing and financial crises hitting home after the middle class had already absorbed an almost decade-long pummeling during the Bush years, the economy is starting to spiral dangerously downward as a vicious cycle begins to take hold. What started as a housing crisis that shook the financial system is now hitting all kinds of businesses hard, and they're shedding jobs at a rapid rate -- over a half-million were lost in the course of the past two months. And that only tells part of the story, as official jobless rates don't count the underemployed or those who have given up trying to land a gig. The broadest measure of underemployment is now a hair under 12 percent; 1 in 8 American workers aren't getting the number of hours on the job they need to make ends meet.

Those people aren't spending much. Neither are the rest of us. Even people who have a safe job fear for their futures, and the belts are tightening.

With the bottom dropping out of the consumer market -- responsible for two-thirds of the American economy -- businesses across the board are feeling a major crunch. Electronic giant Circuit City filed for bankruptcy this week, a move that came on the heels of bad news from Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Gap, Best Buy and Nordstrom that, as the Washington Post reported, "show consumer spending contracting and retail revenue shrinking." On Friday, Sun Microsystems announced that it would slash 6,000 jobs; DHL killed off its U.S. business entirely this week, sending 10,000 people to the unemployment lines, including 7,000 in the tiny town of Wilmington, Ohio (out of a population of 12,000).

Best Buy's CEO, Brad Anderson, told the <i>Post</i> that recent economic changes were "seismic" and that the company was facing "the most difficult climate we've ever seen." The New York Times reports that America's "buying binge is grinding to a halt."

As profits drop, businesses are expected to lay off even more workers, which will mean even less consumer spending. Firms are pulling back across the board. The deflation in real estate values, which began in residential, is now spreading into the commercial market. Commercial real estate sales are expected to fall by half from last year's levels. Already this year, $15 billion worth of planned commercial real estate projects have been canceled. The Washington Post reported that "growing layoffs and falling profits mean companies are giving up office space at rapid rates. Nationwide, more than 19 million square feet of space -- enough to fill more than 300 football fields -- has been emptied by office users this year, the most since the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."


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I've said it before
Posted by: can't remember on Nov 15, 2008 12:43 AM   
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Why doesn't the United States bring ALL its' soldiers, sailors and airmen home, close ALL its' 700 or so military bases around the world, fire all Blackwatch contractors and all others in foreign countrys' and bring them all home to start rebuilding the U.S. Save money? -you betcha. Reduce tension with many nations - you betcha. Does it make sense - you betcha.

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» RE: I've said it before Posted by: finleyd
» HA !!! EXACTLY Posted by: Von
» It's not an elected position. Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Hmmm. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Hmmm. Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: Hmmm. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: I've said it before Posted by: sirios
» RE: To answer your question Posted by: DHFabian
Blackwater
Posted by: can't remember on Nov 15, 2008 12:48 AM   
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Sorry, should have said Blackwater.

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» We need a bigger boat Posted by: Von
» RE: Blackwater Posted by: Beck
» RE: Blackwater Posted by: Quannah
First and Foremost : Save Existing Jobs
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 15, 2008 12:58 AM   
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Many initiatives will have to be undertaken simultaneously to right the ship. The first initiative would be to save jobs that already exist. It is much easier to save a job than to create a new one.

Saving Jobs ... We do his with "Medicare for All". Medicare for All would help re-capitalize business (especially manufacturing), school districts, state and local government, individual payers and the under and uninsured. The states could use any excess of savings for unemployment and pension funds. Overall this could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs while putting money quickly and directly into the system in the most efficient, fairest way ... taking care of people's medical bills.

How do we help consumers and homeowners? Bankruptcy Reform, in particular, legalizing house price reductions in bankruptcy court could solve many foreclosures almost immediately. They are also necessary because so many mortgages have several owners with different " pieces" of the mortgage. Chris Dodd already proposed this but was rebuffed by the banking interests. Bankruptcy reform could also be extended to the "cramdown" of valuations on cars and credit cards. This bankruptcy will not be a giveaway but a severe chastisement for credit abuse. The 2005 Bankruptcy Act was a travesty of justice.

We need to clean up the banks. Throwing money into banks won't work. We need an FDR style Bank Holiday or what has been referred to as the Swedish Plan. That is we first examine the books of the banks then decide who is viable (solvent) and who isn't (insolvent). The solvent banks are given help if they need it and the insolvent banks are liquidated where the account holders are made hole and transfered to solvent institutions. The process we are trying now , the TARP Program, is just picking winners and losers without knowing what the real losses are in the banks that are helped. And indeed there is ample evidence that this TARP Program is being guided by politics and favoritism rather than for the best interest of the public.

We need to nationalize the Federal Reserve. What has become clear is that this hybrid central bank has been and is being wrought by favoritism to the banks and special interests, and not being operated in the public interest. The current crisis and previous crises can be laid right at the feet of the Federal Reserve, through its operations, management and advisory malfeasance. What is needed is the reclamation of the sovereignty for the creation of currency and credit. We need a truly Public Central Bank as Canada has.

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Modern feudalism
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 15, 2008 1:20 AM   
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That's the Bush program in two words. The masters and the debt-slaves. Just hope some of that 700$ is left when Obama takes office. (Though if it's true he's appointing Hillary "Hawk" Clinton to State, my opinion of him stands revised - drastically.)

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» RE: Modern feudalism Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Clinton would be a lousy AG Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Clinton would be a lousy AG Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Clinton would be a lousy AG Posted by: Longdream
» RE: A good AG? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: A good AG? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: A good AG? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: A good AG? Posted by: Quannah
Here's reality as I understand such to be . . .
Posted by: charles000 on Nov 15, 2008 2:05 AM   
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Here's reality as I understand such to be.
 
I don't doubt Obama's sincerity for wanting to implement "change" in a progressive direction, and in essence, do the right thing.
 
Problem is - define the "right thing".
 
One thing that I do appreciate about Obama is that at least he shows the potential for trying something different, and yet, right from the start, he admits that he is not perfect, nor is any human being on the planet, and no doubt various plans and agendas may have to be reworked as their implementation is put into practice.  He freely admits this will be a work in progress, it's going to be a bumpy road for awhile, and it's not going to please everyone.  
 
At the very least, I give him a lot of credit for trying to say it like it is, and proceed henceforth.  
 
One thing I do know for certain, to have another 4 years of what we just went through via the Bush / Cheney debacle would be the final nail in the coffin for what the USA might have once have been.
 
The damage done is almost incalculable


Obama's biggest challenge is that he is going to have to uproot the very political machinery that helped put him into office.

Some very hard choices have to be made - political choices which will not be easy or well accepted among many "traditional" democrats from an earlier time.

But these choices have to be made.  The party's over - the old operational models are gone, and are not coming back.

He's going to have to get real, and if necessary, brutal if he wants to genuinely bring about change to a broken system.
 
I don't doubt that he is highly intelligent, and must be aware of the obvious.
 
To put it bluntly, there are a lot folks out there who have been living fake lives built on fake careers and titles, with fake pay grades and benefit packages that no industry could actually support.
 
There are many folks who have never known what it is to be self sufficient, or live without their entire lives being wrapped around government programs to support their otherwise valueless existence.  I know, that sounds harsh, but this is the reality.
 
Can any of this be changed?
 
I'll say this much, Barack Obama certainly has his work cut out for him.
 
That he may be willing to at least try to implement real change is laudable, and I support him in such context.
 
The reality is, however, that the Titanic is already taking on water, is listing heavily to port, and the rats are scurrying up to the top deck,
 
This is our last chance - either change, modernize, or perish

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» Obama's biggest challenge. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Obama's biggest challenge. Posted by: Longdream
» Yo, demagogue! Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yes, unruly mob? Posted by: Longdream
» Back for more? Posted by: GuitarBill
» I can say that with confidence. Posted by: Longdream
» Your first mistake Posted by: GuitarBill
» Typos Posted by: GuitarBill
» Where does that leave me? Posted by: Longdream
Your Reality Check is in Your Email®
Posted by: MizuInOz on Nov 15, 2008 2:11 AM   
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OK...
Some basic thoughts - castigate at will - but consider these "possibilities"

1) There are no accidents in politics.
2) There are no accidents in banking - most especially global banking.
3) There are no accidents in the financial markets.

New list:
1) There is no recession - there has been no shrinkage of the M1 - period. In fact it has grown by the infusion of the squillions of dollars that have gone into the global money supply.

2) This whole "debacle" is part of the process of implementing the Security and Prosperity Partnership between the USA, Canada and Mexico.

The only reason there is a contraction in spending and loss of jobs (as real as it may be) is the FUD factor.

I have an business partner in Europe who began transferring hundreds of billions of dollars OUT of the US into private houses in Europe and the Middle East three minutes after the "collapse" and hasn't stopped. (reread that again) There is no loss of money - it only moves house.


This whole game is to return the "common" citizen to where we were prior to the late 1800s.

The world banking cartel does not want you to be wealthy. They do not want you to prosper.

And finally - I am not a wingnut. I am a VERY progressive Democrat. BUT I do not support the DLC, of the which most of Obama's team are members.

Oh, and if you don't like what I am saying then do some research and you will find I am not blowing smoke.

Also take a look at Zeitgeist The Movie

Watch both films - make up your own mind.

As for Hillary being Sec of State - She is a leader in the DLC. (If you do not know what the DLC is then you need to do more research, don't you). Don't stop learning. Our democracy depends upon us being WELL informed.


Oh, how's this for an out of the box thought: Obama asks McCain to be Sec of Defence. I mean John did say he knows how to find Ben Ladin and can defeat al Qaeida. So, let's let him put his actions where is mouth is...

Cheers.

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» RE: Incompetence Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Incompetence Posted by: pdxjoe
ALL GOOD SUGGESTIONS
Posted by: fosters005 on Nov 15, 2008 2:14 AM   
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But, it's only been two months folks and THIS mess is going to take a looooong time to repair, if that's even possible.

With chaos comes great opportunity but one cannot be meek.

I do applaud all political newcomers who are FINALLY paying attention to politics. Good to be focusing on DC of course, but here I might suggest that you take a good look at your local city, county and state governments to see how they might be fleecing you, selling out your heritage to faceless corporate giants who likely understand your local permitting and land use processes far-better than you, and who are otherwise fucking with your life. To the curious, this might explain why these faceless cultural and economic vandals somehow manage to tear down architecturally interesting buildings, classic theaters and the like; the very buildings that give our communities character and a feeling of stability -- to put up overpriced cookie-cutter condos?

I'm 66 and after a lifetime of fighting for what I think is right, sorely-need to "...pass the torch to a new generation .." and had given up hope until this election. I can only hope that during this recent period of great national complacency and personal selfishness, that we haven't lost it all.

Our oceans are polluted and their fish stocks are collapsing, the rich continue to treat energy as though it were free, bank and cable charges are blowing through the roof -- and it's all happening because most Americans have not been paying attention to their government. So get to work right there at home -- where one can get in the soulless politician's faces! Help mount a recall campaign (throw a bum out!), march in a protest -- get directly involved! Find a local issue and take up the torch. Pray tell, what could possibly be more important? Scott Foster, Honolulu

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» RE: ALL GOOD SUGGESTIONS Posted by: Beck
The ecological roots of the current economic collapse...
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 15, 2008 2:43 AM   
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That's something to take into account. There were the hurricane hits on the insurance industry, for example, which contributed to AIG's problems. Likewise, people want fuel-efficient cars for ecological and economic reasons, which is why the U.S. automakers are going belly-up. Global crop harvests are under threat from drought and a destabilized climate, so that's another one.

We, as a planet, face serious problems - and the economic collapse is just one facet of a much larger picture.

However, it's not like the U.S. could have gone on using some 25% of the world's resources while having only 5% of the world population. What we really need to do is build an economy that isn't based on gross overconsumption of cheap products made in China.

Finally, note that this year has seen two of democracy's all-time high-water marks: one being the first House vote to nix the bailout, and the second being the election of the first black American president by a popular landslide.

This means that the public now has a unique chance to change how the federal, state and local governments operate - but only if people get involved - and that means making your own media. Really. Be your own press. It's the only way to go. You cannot rely on the PR monkeys of the corporate goons to either address or solve any real problems, that's for sure.

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WHERE TO NOW?
Posted by: LikeSoup on Nov 15, 2008 3:05 AM   
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It’s always hard to know where this is all headed but the best way to succeed in life as an individual is to identify work you enjoy which enables you to be happy and be with your family anyway. www.LikeSoup.com

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» RE: WHERE TO NOW? Posted by: Sparks56
Why bother? All we're gonna get is another Clintonian/Blair "replacement"
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 15, 2008 3:45 AM   
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I expected a lot of disappointment from Obama but not this much so far. But hey, what the FUCK? Just keep "bailing" out Wall $treet while giving Main Street the MIDDLE FINGER ! So this is what we get for those of us out there "nice" enough to give up voting for a real deal because he was pretty much put in nowhere mode thanks to the brain-damaged Obama-bots, eh? I guess I should have been a racist and voted Nader instead of Obama in the end instead of flip on the last minute. I didn't expect Nader to win much if anything at this point even if he were lucky to win the White House but like Clinton and Bush, I didn't expect this much of worse for a new admin. I guess I underestimated. Don't worry though. Obama will be another Clinton/Blair clone and the GOP will happily cash in on this and win in 2010 and 2012 when more of the youngsters who helped Obama become disillusioned and go back to not voting all the while the evangelies are back up again. I hope you Obama die-hards enjoy another NAFTA or even another Wall $treet bailout shoved up your ASS.

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Insane
Posted by: BeckyD on Nov 15, 2008 3:52 AM   
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It's not the foxes bailing out the henhouse, it's the foxes bailing out other foxes, and why is anybody surprised when all that's left of the hens is feathers?

I'm fairly conservative economically, but it's insane (and not at all conservative) not to have oversight of how the bailout money is being spent. It's not their money. It's ours, so we, via our representatives, need to know how it's being spent. And anyway, I thought the bailout law included oversight provisions. Congress needs to grow a pair.

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» RE: Insane Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: Insane Posted by: maxpayne
Simple
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Nov 15, 2008 3:55 AM   
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Let's vote on it.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» Pitchforks, torches and a Posted by: thekidde
» RE: Simple Posted by: amerijake
Not going to be buying anything until I ...
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 15, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Get a damn job and get rid of the debt I've incurred under 8 yrs of Feudalism.
want to help the economy, get US jobs to pay our bills.
Then go after the loan sharks called the credit card Co's who 'surcharge' US and rape Us on interest rates.
If Banks are able to get loans at a 2% interest rate, Why are they allowed to charge 9-23 % interest on the smaller amounts we borrow.I wnated to assure that if I did run into a 'dead zone' financially I wouldn't 'default ' on my credit cards, so I signed up for their insurance...I realized they were charging me a 100 a month more for this 'insurance' thus adding to the bottom line. When I called to cancel this 'insurance' my minimum went up two fold!
Frankly even if I get Job I won't be buying anything but necessities until I can begin to see the light of day on these credit cards.I'm a small business, Not a frivolous spender, and have had to span the chasm between lower income & higher cost through credit cards- Moden day Indentured slavery.
It' stime we revisit the old standards regarding justifiable interest rates and credit practice. Frankly I'd love to See Jesus destroy these 'money changers' Tables in Our market square.
So put as much money into the lending sect as much as you want but if no one is willing to use it, the economy will continue to spiral. Not only should they limit the amount of interest that can be legally charged, they must roll back the interest which has already been embezzled and extorted.The credit card industry has been strongarming consumers for Years...make them give it back. also considering our Dollar is of little value, why are they allowed to charge as if the value will continue to grow? They are banking on the future value of the dollar, and they have Lost!
So a stimulus package is great, but I will be dropping the entire amount on these cards so not to have the outragous balances and Loan shark interest rates!
Give US the money and we will pay the banks on our mortagages, credit cards and loans thus helping their bottom line too. Put sever limits on allowable interest rates on conusmer purchases and on unjust and whimsicle slide scale Hikes.

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» boycot the bastards Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
The only solution-repeal the Federal Reserve act
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 15, 2008 5:21 AM   
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64 Days And 1.485 Trillion Dollars


From July 28th to Oct 4th 2008 the Congress and the Senate raised the US debt ceiling limit from $9.815 trillion to $11.3 trillion. That is a staggeringly bone crushing 1.485 trillion dollars of new debt in just 64 days.


That is $23,203,125,000 a day. At that rate Washington will add $7.494 trillion to the national debt by Oct 1, 2009 which is the first day that President-elect Obama's budget will go into effect. Even if we add just $5 trillion to the national debt over the next 11 months the total debt will be 16.3 as opposed 18.794 trillion dollars. Either figure will crush the taxpayers.


There is a simple workable solution that will solve our current economic crisis. If you prefer, you can skip to the concluding paragraphs to read it.
There is exactly one solution to our problems. We must repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 as proposed by congressmen Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat, and Ron Paul, a Republican.

go to www.911insidejob.net for the rest of this article and many other articles and videos

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PLEASE-DON'T PUMP MONEY INTO A BROKEN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 15, 2008 5:28 AM   
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Pumping large sums of $ into a conceptually and fundamentally flawed US health care system should NOT be part of our economic crises solution

We have a bloated "disease care system" which harms in many cases arising out of the myth that more is better in health care.

I'm for infrastucture and green jobs

"JOBS is my health care plan"

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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» RE: Good point, but... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Good point, but... Posted by: drricklippin
how about this???
Posted by: ellie on Nov 15, 2008 5:31 AM   
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consumers are already cutting back on spending, so we keep on cutting back... food? keep it really simple, go out to eat? go to a local small restaurant where you know the actual owner... groceries, buy local, simple and cook it yourself... clothing? consignment shops or a shop where you know the owner... just consciously cut out as many corporations from your life as you can, support small businesses and forget credit!!!

remember to always focus on the difference between needs and wants... seriously!!! food, water, warmth, shelter all as simple as you can get...

the market is flooded with cheap crap we don't want anyway... it will take years for this junk to dissipate, so just don't buy it, ever...

think smaller, locally owned, personal transactions... cut off the profiteers at the knees... privately owned businesses will prosper and create jobs without the owners needing credit to survive...

the worst thing to capitalism in the global form is to quit spending for the hell of it and starve the beast to death... we just ignore banks, credit and wall street and create our own just, small and fair economies...

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» or just turn the damn thing off Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: Beck
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: ellie
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: StillStanding
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: ellie
» RE: how about this??? Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: don't forget local farmer's markets Posted by: Menopausal Mick
RE: You don't sound like a MINISTER
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 15, 2008 8:51 AM   
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In fact, you're a bit bloodthirsty for my comfort, about what I'm not really clear, and your desire to empower the FBI, no less, to arrest the greedy and powerful is downright frightening.

The God and law mix also sounds a bit familiar.

Could you let us know when that public forum is going to be so we can stay the hell out of DC that weekend?

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REwhy not demand compensation from americans and british for having destryed asian and rusisan ec.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 15, 2008 4:52 PM   
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if the americans can think of suing others maericans for ruining their wealth then why not the Russians who in 90s were forced to go into full capitalist spin to destroy their economy? and why not argentian. china. jqapan who have been forced by anglosqaxon bastrds to change to stock market oreinted economy so that their economy can be manipulted by the anglosaxon bastradss? bring them on let the imf and wrold bank be charged and money taken forcibly from their american and british enablers.

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Bleeding
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 15, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Makes sense to me. If it's as bad as they say, why not go with what we know works, FDR style, and get some of those 3-letter programs going which involve tangible things like food, dirt, people, cement, etc.?

We need jobs. We need to restore consumer confidence. We need money in consumers' pockets. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Why not take this opportunity to kill all those birds?

We know the bankers could easily piss away whatever we give them. But Joe Consumer has to eat, so money going directly to him is more likely to end up back in the economy than in offshore accounts.

The worst thing about giving money to the bankers is not that they'll waste it, but that if you give them something for nothing, where's the incentive not to repeat their mistakes? Funny, this bit of horse sense and free market wisdom was made very clear in several articles when the crisis first started, but seems to have been lost in the scramble for a taxpayer bailout.

Sounds fairly simple, except that all of the above ignores the giant pink elephant in the room: Joe Consumer pays taxes, but has no influence over government, like the bankers do.

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» RE: Bleeding Posted by: Beck
WE have the tools....
Posted by: Marlena on Nov 15, 2008 7:55 AM   
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to fix this mess, lets start with gov seizures of the places and arrests of the people who did this to us...we can use RICO & the Patriot act..Start by arresting paulson, bernake and greenspam, they are domestic terrorists... send them to gitmo..also arrest all the execs who don't want any strings attached to OUR money They have proved they cant run a lemonade stand, turn their companys into a quasi gov institution that's heavily regulated..do the same to wall street. they practice class warfare constantly, let them see what its like when we the people fight back!!

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you want jobs, let's push our green economy
Posted by: l_double_e on Nov 15, 2008 8:44 AM   
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seriously, no solar plant or wind farms is going to solve every state's energy nightmare, but one of each for every town will go a long way towards putting people to work in their local economy. people don't want to send their money overseas, i think that's why you are seeing less consumer spending; most of what you buy is made overseas. We need to keep our dollars here, this is not protectionist talk, this is economics. in addition to building renewable plants, we need to reinvest in small agriculture. Green belts around cities will produce cheaper fruits and vegetables (a better option for our overweight population) as well as producing the raw materials needed for "green" coal. And once it gets started, we'll need more than just one plant each for every town, thus putting even more people to work. Everyone wins, less pollution means less lung problems, more jobs, more affordable food; well everyone except the oil companies, but screw them, they're one of the reasons we're in this mess.

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» The Oil Companies? Posted by: gellero1
They know how to fix this.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 15, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Or, at least they should know; F.D.R. did it in the 1930's and China is going to mimic his successful programs soon, with the result being that they will further bury us as an economic power. So, why can't the Bush administration simply do what has worked before?

Because the Bush administration and its greedy Wall Street enablers care nothing for the american people and thus are not the "patriots" they claim to be. These quasi-treasonous people are willing to sacrifice the good, and possibly the survival, of America just so they can line their already bulging pockets. What kind of people are these, people who can hold tens of millions and even more than a billion dollars in assets each and still feel like it is not enough? People in whom greed has risen to the level of sickness, people who, in a rational society, would be committed to a mental ward, or at least not be allowed to hold any position of responsibility.

(We saw five of them just the other day, in yet another do-nothing phony congressional hearing, whining about how there just couldn't be anything wrong with committing fraud to get rich, and how a billion dollars was just compensation for the terribly hard work of selling worthless securities to the gullible.)

So, what we need to admit is that our nation is now in the hands of the mentally ill, and that we are, basically, 300+million minimum-wage extras in a vast new production of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

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» We don't have a new president YET. Posted by: monkeywrench
» RE: They know how to fix this. Posted by: JSquercia
Paulson should be fired.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 15, 2008 9:21 AM   
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He insisted that the he have absolute discretion to use the bailout money as he saw fit, and your Congress gave it to him.

The idea was for the government to buy from ailing banks their most troublesome, or "toxic" assets, and in that way unburden the banks from the effects of defaults.

Without a by-your-leave from anyone, Paulson used the money to invest in stocks in some of those banks, giving them capital, which they are free to use in any way they wish. Instead of using the infusion of money to benefit the consumer, the banks went back to their old tricks of buying up other banks.

I'm not saying the original idea was a good one. The government has absolutely no way of holding or managing foreclosed properties. They would have had to get up to speed really quickly, before the investment turned to rubble. But buying bank stock without specifying a single thing that the banks should do in obligation is the same kind of folly.

Your Treasury is a giant piggy bank, in the hands of bullies who DO NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO, least of all by us, their bosses. By passing this freedom from rules to the banking beneficiaries of their largesse with your money, and not restricting the banks to a rigorous program of stimulation for consumers, the bullies have done nothing to help the problem, and may have worsened it as banks buy up other banks and then fail anyway.

More than 300 billion gone, and STILL nobody is planning on messing with Paulson.

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» RE: Paulson should be fired. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Paulson should be fired. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Paulson should be fired. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Paulson should be fired. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Paulson should be fired. Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Your DEMOCRATIC Congress, Posted by: oregoncharles
We've seen it all before
Posted by: lclark on Nov 15, 2008 9:44 AM   
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A primary cause of the American Revolution was because England would not permit manufacturing in the colonies. Everything had to be imported. We've been returned to that condition under the guise of 'Free trade'. Multinational corporations', American in name only, have persued an intention exporting of manufacturing and created a consumption based economy to milk the wealth of this country while they repositioned overseas.
There is the financial economy and the productive economy. The bailout is funnelled towards the financial economy that has wide ranging investments all over the planet. And the money has gone towards allowing the larger institutions to gobble up smaller ones, not freeing up credit for normal economic activities. It is the biggest theft of the remaining wealth of the Republic we've ever seen. And it does NOTHING to address the previous decimation of the productive economy.
We've been scammed by both major political parties. 5 TRILLION in fabricated dollars will do nothing but water down the remaining value of the dollars everyday people have while allowing the large institutions to acquire REAL assets before that collapse. Perhaps Obama will do a massive conversion of our energy use to electrical using wind turbines, but now I'm beginnig to believe it will not happen. The people he is putting in place are the people that created this crisis.

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The example of China
Posted by: maggiemahar on Nov 15, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Josh--

This is a superb summary of what has
gone wrong.

And, you're right, we are heading into a deflationary spiral.

What China is doing is what we should be doing:- pouring "capital into construction and improving social services. In addition to beefing up its health care system, the cash will go to projects including low-income housing, rural infrastructure, water, electricity, transportation, the environment (and) technological innovation."

This is different from stimulating consumer spending. (Though of course, infoar as we create jobs, this will let people buy the things thing need.) But like China we need to be investing in things of permanent value that will add to the wealth of the nation, or provide social services to those who will be hit hardest.

But banks should not be making consumer loans so that more money can be spent on junk; and they should not be lending to small businessses that, in a severe recession, are likely to fail.

Banks should, however, be lending to anyone investing in a "social good" --and the government should be regulating banks to make sure that such projects get loans. Banks also need to work out deals with home-owners; one way to do it is to let the owner rent the home from the bank.

But we have gotten into this situation because
so many people (including Bush) have encouraged conspicuous consumption to keep the economy afloat. And consumers have poured billions into things of little or dubious value: gaz-guzzling enormous cars, over-priced homes,and gadgets and toys of all kinds.

Meanwhile, they've been borrowing the money to do this.

And our government has been borrowing the money to wage a tragic, utterly wasteul war.

At the end you write:

"China is not in the same position as the United States -- they've got huge cash reserves and a trade surplus, while we've got massive debt and a trade deficit. China also isn't hemorrhaging cash to maintain 700 military bases and occupy a couple of far-flung countries. But the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government is still worth something."

I'm afraid the "full faith and credit of the U.S." isn't worth nearly as much as it was ten years ago.

Already, foreign purchase of U.S. treasuries has slowed. (And, as you know, foreigners own 55 percent of government debt. We need them to keep buying to keep us afloat.)

Going forward, at some point in the not-too-distant future, I think we will have to raise the interest rates that we pay on our Treasuries in order to continue to attract buyers.

This means higher rates throughout the economy.

Just how much will we have to raise rates--and how soon? That depends on how we invest our capital going forward.

Years of deficit spending have undermined faith in the dollar. Now, we need to be very careful that insofar as the government must continue to borrow in order to spend, that the borrowed money is used very wisely.

Finally, upper-middle class as well as upper-class taxpayers will have to pay significantly higher taxes to fund the things we must fund--
getting our soldiers out of Iraq; providing the VA with the money it needs to care for them; extended unemployment insurance, food stamps,
expanded health services for the poor (Medicaid, SCHIP), infrascture repair, exploring altenrative sources of energy, rebuilding public schools in inner cities . .

What we cannot afford to do is to fund a war in Afghanistan--or anywhere else. The folly of our military exploits also has undermined faith in the dollar.

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Welcome to the Barter System
Posted by: Fetchcat on Nov 15, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Wasn't it Einstein (no slouch at numbers) who said a problem can't be solved by using the same mentality that created it? We have left the foxes in charge of the henhouse for too long, and now they're bringing in their friends, the coyotes and wolves. Everyone makes out but us poor hens.

I don't see the corporate driven government following the Sweden plan. Since when have we used the methods of other industrial countries as templates? If we did, we'd have national healthcare, better schools, and be competitive in manufacturing.

As I see it, by this time next year the dollar will not be the only currency. Be prepared for a barter state, where people trade services and household items for produce and fuel. The slogan "Will work for food" won't just be the province of bag people, but of many middle class Americans. Start planning your Hardship Gardens now, even if you have to grow beans and tomatoes in pots. Stock up on brown rice and candles. Hold onto anything with barter value, and learn a survival skill, like dressing game. And though it pains me to write it, buy a shotgun. We could end up back in pioneer days, where it's every community for itself. This might not happen, of course, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared.

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» RE: Poor Analogy Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Poor Analogy Posted by: Fetchcat
Sure about that?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 15, 2008 10:42 AM   
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"But the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government is still worth something,"

Joshua, you tell us just how bad it is, then you say that? Granted, a glimmer of hope is worth something, but that's a very weak feather to build a recovery on.

If the Chinese pull our credit line, we're through. Granted, as in Argentina, that could be the beginning of a real recovery; but we haven't overthrown 4 Presidents in a year, yet, as they had to.

Get back to me when the scepter is rolling in the gutter. Then we can talk.

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The Guys in the Chicken House Are Playing a Game - Just Ignore Them and Carry on as Usual
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 15, 2008 10:57 AM   
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They aren't all evil bastards - and they aren't all trying to kill all the chickens.

Their world is an esoteric one.

Sure they can starve us chickens of food for awhile - for a laugh - just to see us cluck in agony - and then if they want they can give us lots of food and water and stroke us such that we feel good and raise our feathers and bums and feel happy and want sex and we make eggs for them to eat.

If they kill us all they won't have any eggs.

Of course us Chickens stand no chance of getting really angry and launch a mass attack and peck all the arseholes to death.

Well that is not what Alfred Hitchcock thought possible in The Birds

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056869/

Tony

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skinny cat
Posted by: skinny cat on Nov 15, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Another good article by Joshua Holland.

I don’t remember the name of the Texas oilman who said: “Money is like horse manure. Pile it up and it stinks. Spread it around and things grow.” I do remember that no one called him a socialist.

The problem is not a lack of credit or credit worthiness. The problem is too much debt. Compound interest redistributes wealth from the productive to the nonproductive. That is especially true in a funny money system like the US. Why haven’t the political preachers and the Bible thumpers been screaming bloody murder about all this unchristian usury?

The productive must be made whole by extinguishing the inflated, fictitious debt that has piled up from coast to coast. George Bush, Henry (he ain’t got no bazooka in his pocket) Paulson, and those world beaters and great leaders in Congress have piled up even more money in the banks.

Congress should not spend a nickel or borrow a dime to help the banks. It should legislate that banks that do not make payroll, inventory, and consumer loans will be removed from the Federal Reserve system. The customers will be informed that their deposits are no longer insured by the FDIC. Auditors will insure that those banks are not loaning more money than they have in the vault.
The legislation will impose a mortgage foreclosure moratorium on mortgages against US citizens who occupy the mortgaged home. Any other agreement regarding the home or homeowner the will be void. The moratorium will run until September 2009. Homeowners may renegotiate the mortgage based on the market value of the house on any day the homeowner finds advantageous. Credit card debt in excess of $200 will be extinguished.
Homeowners who take advantage of the moratorium must obligate at least one month’s house payment to buy a one passenger commuter car the automakers will produce. Those whose credit card debt is forgiven must obligate at least 50% of that amount to purchase a commuter car.
The automakers would work 4 six-hour shifts, 24 hours a day to saturate the domestic market for commuter cars by September 2009. If the Chevy Volt gets 40 miles per battery charge, would a one-person commuter car go 60 miles per charge?
Production of the commuter car, infrastructure projects, single-payer health care, and revenue sharing with states and municipalities that rehire laid-off workers will bring the economy out of recession. Extending unemployment benefits and food stamps will help a lot more than buying poison dog food or killer Toys. The collateral economic benefits of single-payer will have a greater multiplier effect than infrastructure projects and government employment.

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The parasites are learning a hard lesson.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 15, 2008 11:29 AM   
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It's not a good idea to kill the host.

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Do they care?
Posted by: OjibwayAngel on Nov 15, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Do they really care?

They will bail out the banks and bail out the auto industry executives? But, they won't bail out the people. Instead they send us small crumbs in the form of money as a stimulus package.

Will it get worse?

Yes, if people don't start speaking out and protesting. Right now so many people are existing in the remnants of their comforts that they are complacent.

Take action and let your voice be heard!

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» RE: Do they care? Posted by: Fetchcat
Why don't the auto companies do this:
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 15, 2008 12:23 PM   
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Why don't they sell Americans some of the smaller, economical models that they sell by the millions in Europe and Asia?

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» RE: Congress Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Congress Posted by: Longdream
Wall Street always wins.
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 15, 2008 1:34 PM   
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Wall Street doesn't care if it goes up or goes down. All that matters is that it "goes," since they get their commissions on transactions. So we can expect the volume of churning (what else can you call weeks such as the one past?) to continue.

I keep looking for someone to give me an estimate of the amount of money made by traders after a week with 900 point swings in a day. But that might require some investigative journalism, and that's hard work compared to what Bob Sommerby at the Daily Howler here calls "writing novels" in place of journalism.

Thank you Mr. Holland for laying out the information, even though I can barely read it through my tears and fears.

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Death spiral now or in a few years - Doesn't matter
Posted by: 6399 on Nov 15, 2008 2:06 PM   
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We may not begin the ultimate downward descent this time 'round, but mark my words, we will go down for the count--and it won't be long now.

Unless the US can catapult back to the head of the class in terms of manufacturing, design and engineering, we are going down--permanently. We have failed to produce products and ideas that are both useful and beneficial to humankind (note: laser-guided missiles and predator drones are not useful, nor are they beneficial) and wrought havoc on our ecosystem in the process.

Don't bet on us doing the right thing. Our rapacious appetite for material acquisition and power is evidenced by the historic pillaging that is currently taking place under the auspices of TARP bailouts.

Just think about it for a second. We're confronting the worst financial crisis this country has endured in over 75 years, and we still DON'T HAVE ONE SOLITARY SITTING BOARD MEMBER on the TARP oversight committee. NO ONE IS MINDING THE STORE! The board exists in name only. I guess it's no wonder the Fed won't or cannot divulge the recipients of over $2 trillion.

The dollar will soon be in a death spiral. Look for a dollar revaluation within 18-24 months and complete collapse within 4 years. It was announced yesterday that our personal debt = our entire GDP ($14 trillion). If someone here on Alternet would care to explain how this is tenable over the long term, I'm all ears.

Finally, if you believe we'll "escape" this mess, if you can in fact call it that, and come in under $4-5 trillion, you're delusional. When the bailouts are added up, we'll have a $14+ trillion dollar national debt as well. How does that grab ya?

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I'm Done, Finished, Finito
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 15, 2008 2:12 PM   
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I am a senior citizen on social security. Like many, I knew social security wasn't enough so I saved as much as I could and invested in a 5 star mutual fund. Last year I had to start drawing a set amount from principle every month to supplement my social security check, which is under $900. My fund has now lost 1/2 its value and has been demoted to 3 stars. Food has gone up 30%, along with most everything else. I have no car, own no property and am at the mercy of landlords. I won't have enough money now to last me and I need to get a job, although there really aren't any out there in this economy and I'm OLD! I'm eating less, buying nothing and just making the bills, along with tens of thousands of others like me. We're all done for.

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» RE: I'm Done, Finished, Finito Posted by: monkeywrench
Mentally Lame Duck
Posted by: jmmartin on Nov 15, 2008 2:37 PM   
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If anyone wonders what Boris and Nicolas are joking about, look no further than the departure speech of George W. at the close of the G-20 sit-down. He actually said, "We're trying to reach some agreements that are substanative[sic]." I kid you not. SUB-STAN-A-TIVE. Yeltzin and Sarkozy speak better English than Bush.

Worse, instead of giving the media an FDR-like pep talk complete with "fear only fear itself," we get W. hinting we're headed for "a depression worse than the Great Depression." Not exactly inspiring, is he?

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I recall when UAW members
Posted by: Von on Nov 15, 2008 3:32 PM   
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were so pissed off about Toyota & Honda moving in on their "American made" turf. Toyotas, Hondas and the like that sat in restaurant or mall parking lots were sometimes the victims of kicks, keying or door bangs.

Now though, I guess its ok for UAW members to build cars and ship THEM overseas. What selfish hypocrites.

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» Solidarity Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Solidarity Posted by: Von
Washington IS the bleeding
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 15, 2008 4:13 PM   
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Washington has managed to borrow ten trillion dollars off of the suckers who won't see it again. Oh, wait, that's you! I'm really sorry about that. Fortunately, this borrowing does not include touching the Social Security trust fund. Unfortunately, none of Washington's creditors think this is the least bit true.

Washington has managed to borrow off of the infants in many more creative ways:

We inherited productive and fertile soil. We're stripping it of nutrients so that we can sell more corn this year.

Washington has taken the Appalachian Mountains and sawed them off flat. Now they don't catch as much wind.

Washington has let the bridges go. Now they're collapsing at rush hour.

We created half a million messed-up Iraq veterans. Many can't handle a job anymore. We'll have to feed them and provide medical care for fifty years, unless we want to stiff them and let them die in the streets.

In the name of free enterprise manufacturing we have one hundred million cancer patients and classrooms full of hyperactive ADD kids. They're not going to be particularly productive in their lifetimes. Let's go drink some endocrine disruptors to celebrate.

For that matter we have far more than one hundred million fat bellies in the U.S. Yo-yo dieting is the norm, and healthy muscle tone is the exception. Lots of kids have sugar diabetes.

We have at least two million cons in jail, most of which will be released onto the streets someday.

Oh, and we're dependent on Middle East kingdoms for our national lifeblood.

Basically our politicians have pushed dozens of our national problems back, and back, and like a maxed out credit card the bills are no longer ignorable.

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The Insanity of the Basic Bailout Concept baffles me
Posted by: marid on Nov 15, 2008 4:26 PM   
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But of course I am easily baffled.

How the hell can we expect any changes or solutions to come from the exact people and institutions that caused this theft of Americas wealth? The classic line of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

When you prune plants to accelerate growth or ward off a disease you start at the top. If we do not start at the top of the problem we will never get to the bottom of it.

I love the car company employee ownership idea.

The people at the top of the auto industry need to be removed before any more money is given to bail them out. New management teams must be put in place. If the auto industry has more obligations to its pensions than it can afford, is this not the fault of management? If US automakers are not producing the cars we want to buy is this not the fault of management? If Cafe (gas mileage) standards have been ignored or stifled is this not the fault of management? To see the lack of intelligence, imagination, and honesty on the parts of management teams is shameful. They all need to go before we give them a dime. It has nothing to do with socialism or some other crap we will hear thrown around. It has everything to do with a broken system based on lies and fairy tales. (Quiet, Shhhhh, there is no free market past me trading my tomatoes for your cucumbers) All markets are managed, the questions are by whom, and for whose benefit?

On a lighter note, anyone who was employed on Wall Street and did not howl about the wolves eating us should be immediately be removed, period. To even consider letting these parasites on the ass of America receive even a single penny of taxpayer money as a bonus is criminal. Bonus for what??????

Wall Street has been a fairy tale since its inception and is only used to reap the fruits of workers labors. It has only created hollow corporations that are the embodiment of the soulless, heartless monster that shall eat us all alive. Again the people at the top should be stripped of their jobs, wealth, and positions of privelege. Then force the bastards go out and get a job at minimum wage as the only means to avoid prosecution for crimes against the people of America. Won't happen though. They ( the Corpse)have done a masterful job of bambozzeling most of the American people with their fairy tales and tactics of using fear to keep us in line.

Can Obama make a difference? Not sure but we have to hope he tries. Whose welfare does he really have at heart, the Corpse, or the people?

Stay tuned or sometimes it helps to get tuned.

Oh and by the way, Joseph Stiglitz for Treasury Secretary.

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Is there a court to bring suit agasint IMF and world bank and angloamerican banks?
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 15, 2008 4:39 PM   
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Is there a system or court whereby argentian, Russia, east asian countries and many third world countries can go to bring a damage suit agasint IMF and world bank and the angloamerican banks for having criticised them-(in 90s)and third world coutries and forcing them to suffer while the same IMf is praising the bail out of americans and british firms?
isit not high time that thse stupid asian central banks-those not in pay of americans-trealize that the whole bretton wood agreemnet was doen to help britian get rrescuded after war amd nothing to do with world econmomy?
destroy the anglosaxon econoimic system and liberate the world from these pirates?

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Out here in orchard country...
Posted by: pangolin on Nov 15, 2008 6:08 PM   
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The trees will sometimes get knocked over in storms. We've learned that there's nothing you can really do to save a tree with broken roots.

We cut out what we can for firewood and pile up an burn the rest. Then we plant new trees where the old and damaged trees were. I can think of a few "orchards" in Wall Street that need to get the dead wood out.

All you need are an ax and some matches.

(Metaphor walking down the road, whistling past the graveyard)

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I Remember Hearing This Song in 1969 - Lemmy - Hawkwind - Lost Johnny
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 15, 2008 7:59 PM   
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I also saw Hawkwind Play Live with Lemmy - Before He Got Busted Crossing The US/Canadian Border

And We are Going To See Motorhead Next Saturday in London....

LOST JOHNNY - Hawkwind - Lemmy

You only get a single chance
The rules are very plain,
The truth is well concealed inside
The details of the game,
You can hear it coming,
You can see it from afar,
It's pale and it glimmers
Like a faded movie star
And out there in the castle,
They're trying to make us scream,
By sticking thumb tags in a flash
And cancelling the dream,
Can you find the Valium,
Can you bring them soon,
Lost Johnny's out there,
Baying at the moon

The time has come for you to choose,
You'd better get it right,
Pulling girls with sharp white teeth
Are waiting in the night,
But you want to really get some,
It surely can't be hard,
There's always trouble lurking
When you leave your own backyard

Underneath the city,
The alligators sing,
Of how the fool he cannot dance,
When someone cuts the strings,
Can you find the morphine,
Try to be so brief,
Lost Johnny's out there,
Looking for relief

That laddie looks so evil,
And you know he really tries,
But every time he makes a play,
That battle compromise,
And shall I find their underwear,
From a store where no-one goes,
She makes it big in dugs,
On the strength of what she shows,

And here inside the waiting room,
The radio still screams,
And we're shooting children,
To murder all young things,
Can you find your credit card,
For god's sake make it quick,
Lost Johnny's out there,
Trying to turn a trick

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Maybe What I Am Trying To Say Is That Ordinary English Blokes Actually Care About Ordinary People
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 15, 2008 8:34 PM   
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Across The World

Cos We Travel When We are Young

Americans Tend Not To - except behind the Barrel of a Gun

English Kids Just Do It - without any Guns at all

And Then They Go To University - If They Want To

Tony

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» Most English people... Posted by: Bobsays
Ron Paul to the Rescue
Posted by: jbpaz on Nov 16, 2008 2:40 AM   
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To me, Ron Paul presented a coherent and far-reaching agenda. We rejected it as being too radical and unrealistic. Freedom, justice and the rule of law require hard work and some thought. Tasks clearly beyond our capabilities, we are unlikely to climb out of the grave we have dug for ourselves.
Yet, we have the Constitution and the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If enforced, they would serve as guides for a better future.
The population sat on its hands during the passing of the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts. We allowed our military to stumble into two Asian land wars they can not win. The politicians and the bankers have picked our carcass clean. One might infer we are not ready for self-government.
Ron Paul suggested we leave Asia immediately. He urged us to scrap the IRS and all the other alphabet soup agencies.
Why not?
Under NSPD51 most GS/9 and above government employees are enemy combatants. They can man prison work gangs to rebuild the Ninth Ward in New Orleans for example.

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The US rests on a giant pile of BS
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 16, 2008 4:12 AM   
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And as long as it stays on this pile of BS, it will never, ever correct its problems. Not correcting its problems means more violence and poverty and conflict for the US and the rest of the world.

Here is a realistic plan to gain control of events:

1) Border controls: real border controls. The myth of unlimited migration into the US must be stopped. Keep immigration to no more than 200,000/year.
2) Address the toxic culture of welfarism and bad behaviour that has dragged not only the US down the toilet, but also many other countries where the youth have adopted this bad-ass US urban culture.
3)Education, skills and most important of all, deportmant and good behaviour: these things need to be the focus because a well-run life will lead to a well-run economy and society.
4) Stop launching wars on the world. Handover global security responsibilities to a global coalition, including Russia, China.
5) Stop making excuses: the US is the world epicentre for excuse-making on bad behaviour. Just call bad behaviour bad behaviour.
6) Stop the racial zero-sum game that has gripped the US since the 1960s.

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Time for the Slave to Buy their Freedom
Posted by: edgar1 on Nov 16, 2008 7:01 AM   
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"What we need to do right now is throw concerns about the deficit out the window and spend money on programs that will create jobs, keep more homeowners from foreclosure and limit the pain of those who are already in trouble"

Seems reasonable given the growing number of consumers without jobs or income, and the vulnerability of banks to mortgage default.

However Holland correctly points out China can initiate big spending on infrastructure while it is a major international creditor. We are an international debtor. Will China "allow" us to rebuild our economy? Any idea we are sovereign and can do what we want with "our" money is naive. We are a neo-colonial dependency of China and other nations. Essentially Obama is what used to be called by the British in India as a "viceroy". We are stuck in Iraq to the end of 2011 according to the latest agreement the Iraqis demand; Iran can play games with us forever. We need to cut spending, defense as well as civilian, and sharply raise taxes on everyone (except for the unemployed). Pay off the debt and avoid new debt, i.e., auto payoff to the incompetents in Detroit.

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Your Messiah will do NOTHING
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 16, 2008 8:17 AM   
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The Messiah has no clue, really, what's going on in finances.....he's not even old enough to remember sound money ( pre 1974 ).

And Mr. Holland is probably no different.

Any local actions ( USA ) cannot help us because the situation is worldwide, and has to do with MONEY ( NOT wealth ).

Our current doomed scenario started when the DEMOCRATS and there WALL STREET BACKERS deregulated the financial industry ( remember them telling us how good it would be in the 'service economy ).

The Messiah has said NOTHING about the 'toxic paper' of the Derivitives Market.How many HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS is out there is anyones guess.

That's what the G4-G20 is meeting about this week with the President.

And it really doesn't matter who is President.... Yo Mamma Obama, McLame, whoever.........The same people in the financial world will call these shots.

I would ask Mr. Holland to look much deeper, and figure what kind of 'change' a different/same power structure will provide the hoi poloi with.

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It's a Barnum & Bailey world
Posted by: willymack on Nov 16, 2008 10:17 AM   
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Just as phony as it can be. As usual we have someone to blame (our fake prezdint and the chumps around him) for all our ills. Now we're looking for Obama & co. to wave a magic wand and make things "right" again. Things were NEVER right in the first place, as we lived in an American dream that was polluting, mindless, wasteful, and unsustainable. The limits of this delusional mindset are only now beginning to show themselves,and things may well get much worse if solutions are sought aimed at returning us to the same old crap. The people responsible for two phony wars, enviornmental degradation, theft of our national treasure, and manifold other crimes need to be ferreted out, exposed, arrested, tried, and imprisoned, along with their stooges in Washington. This won't be easy, even if possible. Some very large rocks need to be turned over to find the Shadow People, and will take a truly dedicated, courageous, and patriotic team of people to accomplish the task. They'll need all the support from our people that they can get. Are we up to it? We won't know that unless we try it, will we?

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I Still Think Gordon Brown is a Hero Perhaps America Can Do The American Equivalent of Knighting Him
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 10:44 AM   
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10599

Extract

Financial Crisis: Paulson Panics as UK, Germany find own solution

by F. William Engdahl

America’s de facto Finance Czar, US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has reached for the panic button and made a dramatic 180-degree reversal of his financial bailout plan passed only days before. On September 23 in testimony before the US Congress, Paulson, former CEO of the politically influential Wall Street investment firm, Goldman Sachs, declared his adamant opposition to the idea of the US Government taking equity stakes in troubled major banks in order to provide them capital and stabilize the frozen interbank trading market. On October 13, that opposition to ‘nationalization’ collapsed. What happened to cause that sudden reverse is what interests us here. It shows the utter lack of coherency in the US financial elites over how to deal with their home-grown securitization of risk fiasco.

The Paulson plan was widely criticized among more sober US bankers and economists, including Paulson’s predecessor as Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill who simply called the concept of using $700 billion taxpayer bailout fund to buy ‘toxic debt’ from banks, as ‘crazy.’ All critics agreed the Paulson approach was far the most costly model and far from guaranteed to solve the underlying problem—inadequate bank capitalization following hundreds of billions of dollars in sub-prime and other security losses.

Yet the Secretary adamantly refused to alter his plan, even after Congress rejected it in the first vote. He allowed non-related Democratic items to be glued on to his original TARP plan, a plan that gave the Treasury Secretary virtual dictatorial powers over the US finance and de facto the economy. It was referred to widely as ‘the financial equivalent of the US Patriots Act.’

Then, on October 8 the unexpected took place. Gordon Brown, former British finance minister and now Prime Minister, facing a literal meltdown of the British banking system, on advice of senior staff of the Bank of England, swallowed his own opposition to bank nationalization and adopted an emergency nationalization scheme. He announced that the UK Treasury had made € 64 billion available to buy bank preferred shares in eight UK banks designated by the Government as strategic. The nationalization was to be partial but effective and included a €260 billion ‘special liquidity scheme’ of Treasury cash to inject into the frozen inter-bank market, consisting of UK Treasury bills in exchange for bank less liquid assets as collateral.

The relevance of 1931

The move was a replay of the dramatic decision by the British Government in 1931. At that time, Britain and members of the British Commonwealth ‘broke the rules of the game’ and unilaterally abandoned the international Gold Standard. In September 1931, after months of debate, the UK abandoned monetary orthodoxy and unilaterally left the Gold Standard it had rejoined in 1925.

Germany had preceded the UK, under far different circumstances, by some weeks in August 1931 by abandoning the Gold Standard.

Germany, under emergency rule without Parliament under Chancellor Brüning, faced a crisis in the wake of the French decision to punish the German-Austrian economic entente. France had precipitated a banking crisis in Austria’s largest bank, the Vienna Credit-Anstalt.

The role of J.P. Morgan Bank in New York, the leading private creditor of the German banking system since the end of Hyperinflation in 1923, and the Morgan controlled New York Federal Reserve under Governor George L. Harrison, was instrumental in precipitating the German banking crisis of 1931.

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» RE: another british propaganda. Posted by: avatar_singh
AMERICA Did 9/11 TO THEMSELVES
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 4:15 PM   
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A Moment of SELF DESTRUCTION

Us English Just Wouldn't Do That

Cos We LOVE Each Other

Americans are Completely CRAZY

And Don't Give Me The Excuse That You Have Got Israel Controlling Your Government

Its Got Fuck All To Do With Us

We are ENGLISH

Tony

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We will Be in India on January 1st 2009 And We Won't Be There
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 4:30 PM   
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Discussing how we can bring Fresh Water to the Poorest People in India

By bringing with us loads of Pumps and Pipework and Complete Water Systems to Be Deployed in The Most Rural Parts of India

No

We will be in INDIA

To Celebrate The NEW YEAR and the fact that we totally LOVE The People of INDIA

Tony

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» I want 2 know more Posted by: gellero1
the evil twats are of course the neocon war machines but the global warmers are even more dangerous
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 5:21 PM   
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I was brought up as a pure scientist - and I studied pure physics and maths after I had discarded the catholic religion when I was 15 and I went to confession and said naughty rude and cheating

And the priest wanted to know all the naughty bits

So I was 15 and I fed him all the fantasies in my mind about how I had had sex with all the girls in my class at school - giving him all the intimate details

And the Priest was wanking himself off on my fantasies

And After he had Regained His Composure

He Said

Bless You Son

You are Forgiven

And For Your Penance

You Need to Do

3 Hail Mary's

And I thought Fuck

He Wants Me to Shag Even More Girls

I Didn't Admit I was a VIRGIN

So I GAVE UP RELIGION

And Started Studying GIRLS

Tony

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I DO NOT ACCEPT CORRUPT DATA ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 5:56 PM   
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And The Muppet Should Be in JAIL

Tony

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What 90 percent of ORDINARY Americans KNEW ALL ALONG!
Posted by: weslen1 on Nov 16, 2008 6:09 PM   
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Congress now KNOWS what most of US knew all along. That the "bailout/handout" was ONLY meant to "fill the old coffers" of Bush/Cheney/and friends. Congress now needs to hang onto the OTHER $350 billion for at least the next 8 weeks and call in whatever FEW honest people are left to call in, and do it RIGHT from now on. I wouldn't hand over $350 DOLLARS to the likes of Paulson or any of the rest of those criminal extortionists, let alone $350 BILLION. And no MATTER WHAT "could" happen in the next 8 weeks, they HAVE TO say a RESOUNDING NO to Bush's pet Columbian "free trade" agreement. If he won't sign without that OR there's a possibility he might do it on his OWN with a "signing statement" we will be better off to wait the 8 weeks. It hasn't gotten any worse in the 8 weeks or so since Paulson et al told us ALL the whole world would crumble if the bailout wasn't done over night, even though they have done NOTHING but hand out money hand over fist that has not gone anywhere except the 400 Thousand for a banquet for AIG and more for others. It's not going to make much difference THERE if we wait until Bush is gone once and for all and will be a whole LOT better for the rest of US AND the WORLD.

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» LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Posted by: gellero1
The Reality Is That The gun boat diplomiamaniac - the man with no name is talking through his arse
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 6:18 PM   
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The reality is that this winter could be extremely severe

And the people living in canal boats on canals all over the English Countryside

Have not covered their boats with solar cells and windmills

They have covered their boats with sacks of

COAL

Cos they want to survive the Winter

Now the gun boat diplomat or the man with no name - I forget his original handle - but he writes with eloquence and passion and his knowledge of economics is nearly as good as Joshua Holland's

But its all bollocks in the theoretical world

In the Real World People Need to Keep Warm over WINTER

Tony

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You See All The GREEN Fascists Are Trying To Turn All The ENERGY OFF - And Kill The Poor
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 6:36 PM   
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Whilst The Poor just want to drag these Green Fascists Out Of Their Warm Ivory Towers and Throw Them All In The Canal

Do You Want a Nice Warm Coal Heated Boat - Or Do You Want To FREEZE To Death

Yes - that is your windmill and your solar panel over there

Try and Blow it

Tony

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So non-person why do you deny the obvious truth about 9/11 for instance
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 6:55 PM   
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Look - you are a really clever kid - yes I can accept that you went to university and have got a degree in a science - I forgot what it -was -the sexual life of a frog was it?

I'm still trying to remember your original handle

Because you do realise that the stuff you write is instantly recognisable

That is good - its like a Guitar Player who has got a unique sound

Which ain't bad for what are you - 25 years old?

I will hopefully remember your original handle before I press send

I gave you massive support when you got banned for naming all the people and organisations who financed this site

But I still can't remember your name

Lauren suggested Alternet should give you a job as a journalist

And Joshua responded - what him?

He won't even reply to emails

And I can't remember the name of your handle

And it is beginning to piss me off

non person?

gun boat diplomat?

Tony

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thoughtcriminal = non person = gunboat diplomat = great writer
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 16, 2008 7:11 PM   
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I might disagree with most of what you write - but you write with passion and some of your stuff is awesome

Why not just post as

thoughtcriminal

That is such a BRILLIANT handle - how could you ever give it up?

compo

I got banned

Tony

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WE SAVED THE BANKER'S HOUSES. LOOK AT US. AREN'T WE NICE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 16, 2008 8:46 PM   
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guys? Something is amiss here. We are now on our third energy shock. Each of them has caused a recession. The recession is world wide. The price of oil went crazy world wide. What an interesting co-oincidence.

The subprime mess didn't happen world wide. We have been squeezing the ordinary folks through 30 years of republican presidencies. The subprime mess is a symptom. It is not a cause. Yes, the bankers are guilty of predatory lending. The Savings and Loans were regulated. Reagan fixed that.

The solution to the problem is to create the soverign wealth funds that the rest of the world is slowly moving toward. We, the public, must own one of each kind of business. We keep our businesses stable. When private enterprise goes crazy, we avoid the temptation.

The Bush, NEOCON, Freidman, Hayek, mantra is that pure freemarket activity can't go crazy. The current recession-depression has been caused by too much socialism. If you believe that, our conversation has come to an end.

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SO do ya want "Change" or Chains? Remember, Remember, the 5th-o-November.
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 16, 2008 10:14 PM   
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"There's something terribly wrong with this country" -V

I knew as I finished high school in the seventies there was no way in hell it could continue in an endless upward spiral as the "boomers" started their peak drive. The math just didn't hold up. I was right....oh, and yah, the Fat lady has already sung! What you want another Encore? More "stimulas checks made out of fiat money?" shit...........

As a structural Steel Engineer, when I saw the Towers fall, I said, "No fucking way. Those suckers where brought down deliberately. (and not by the two jets either. Same goes for Building 7 & and The Pentagon. But NOOO everyone just lets the lies linger on, in denial. "America wouldn't do that!."

Well unlike "Mission Accomplished" George, If there even is an Osama Bin Laden. He won! Now that was a smart cookie!

Because dumb ass Americans let their kneejerk emotions and denial control their better judgement and not stop to think before they let Bush run their whole country right down the road to hell.
It wasn't any terrorist but our own government that let this all come to this point. Ill qualified by very cunning!

I'm not quite at the retirement age (except my back) and have a few more years, maybe a decade or more before I can give in. So I'm still in the fight of my life. But one thing for sure. I've put no faithful hope, blood sweat and tears into the false illusion of the Good life American dream myth of retirement in a bottomless pit as most. And even if I don't come out all rosy, I'm in the same place as everyone else but I didn't have to fall here!
Welcome to hell! The devil is cranking up the furnaces now. Put some more of that coconut oil on folks. Why worry about cancer. You're all gettimg cooked!

America is a suckers heaven. The System will rape you your whole life and tell you it's going to be OK in the end. The very system everyone's lead to follow is corrupt by design. But the fact is this place is like a sea of carneferious zombies feeding off each other until they are the ones being fed off, ( oh, like now ?). The God damn Catholic think suffering is saintly and protestants miser their lives away saving for a future of unaffordable medical bills. All while working for the military Industrial complex under the guise of protecting an undefinable freedom from a mythical enemy far away. Mean while their own country devours itself like an animal caught in a iron-jaw trap they set themselves, gnawing it's leg off to escape only to bleed to death.

America does nothing for the people but robs them for the greedy 1% . and the people just lolly gags themselves into stupidity in High Definition ( as mandated by law!) and lets the system steam roller over them day after day after day with no revolt.

Hell, America gets what the it deserves.
The only reason you're all not really fighting back is you're not hungry enough......................but you will be!

My only hope now is maybe, just maybe, I can get you all pissed off enough to actually do something instead of whine and bitch, for the childrens sake.
Damn the torpedos and rip the throats out of the bastards that have lead us here.
Now don't let The congress give the pardon approval rubber stamp to letting the Bush Regime off scot free.

Accountability is the only way to unite the country under a common cause for real truth, justice and democracy.

Making these bastards accountable will unit the world and point to true equanimity of people in the world. Then we can save the planet together.
To Hell with fiat money. We will have each other hand in hand.
That's a real United States!
We can do it. Together. or
............kiss this country Hasta lavista baby.

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Trottydt
Posted by: Trottydt on Nov 18, 2008 5:58 AM   
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No man is an island; this is a global crisis and and the entire global community must be involved. The G-20 recommendation to establish a "college of supervisors" to rein in the transnationals is a start. We also need to understand the cause and effect relationships at work here. To this end attached are excerpts from a paper I wrote in 2002 and circulated among academia.



THE GLOBAL/DEBT CRISIS
(A Perspective from the Periphery)



Modern human civilization has been ordered by two predominant ideas:

1. The Christian-Judaic work/worth ethic underpinning societal well-being and providing the basis for the allocation of output—“by the sweat of your brow” you shall eat bread served all societies well up to the dawn of the modern technological era.

2. The “might is right” principle of the jungle now threatened by the ubiquity of weapons of mass destruction and the motivation to use them.

Both of these long established “principles” have fallen victim to technological advancement which has created the possibility of “plenty” as well as the poor man’s atomic bomb in the form of biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction.

Technological advancement has created the capability to produce more with less; less people, less hardware (raw materials) but more software, know-how and technology.

If you happen to have decent shelter, access to potable water, reasonable sanitation, three meals daily and are properly clothed you are in the privileged 2% of world population!. Yet, globally the technological capacity now exists to produce sufficient for every man, woman and child alive. What the global economy lacks is leadership with the volition to provide a basis for keeping production mobilized and a concomitant equitable allocation/distribution of output.


Up to the late 80’s trade has been the driver of the world economy. In the early 90’s the value of capital flows exceeded trade for the first time. It is capital flows that now drive the world economy and over 90% of capital flows are short term (read speculative), ready for flight the minute trend indicators show negative.

The fact is that the present global recession is a crisis brought about because it is capital rather than trade that is driving the world economy. This fact is manifested in “over-production” in the Pacific Rim countries and the domino devaluations recently witnessed as countries strive to maintain external markets. The problems that have emerged with capital in respect to both production and trade is largely due to its mobility and concentration.


In its latest report the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) backs the call of “Jubilee-2000” campaigns around the world, for an independent process for managing the debt crisis, by allowing countries to unilaterally declare standstills in debt payments and to establish an independent panel for sanctioning such decisions.

Based on the foregoing and out experience with globalization thus far, it should be clear that the development of the productive forces globally have outgrown the narrow limits of private capital and the nation state. The global challenge is therefore to create more / different types of capital. It may also be necessary to supplant or modify the role of capital especially with respect to trade; globalization has been relatively successful on the production side as distinct to the distribution of output. The changes ought to approached by piggy-backing on the emerging mega-trend towards a global “managed trade system”. Going back to basics – it is not money that really matters most, but the things that money can buy.

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Language mythology
Posted by: troy on Nov 19, 2008 5:29 PM   
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As long a people continue to be led by inaccurate language designed to mislead, we will continue to be used and abused.
1) We do not have a free market economy. We need to stop saying it. If we had a free market economy every taxpayer would be getting stocks in the mail from every company we are bailing out so we can prosper when (if) these companies get on their feet again. If we lived in a free market economy we would be able to opt out of the bailout if we thought it economically unsound. What are the chances of that?
We live in a corporate socialist state. Corporate loses are being socialized by us as we speak.
2) We do not live in a representative democracy. When we replace one politician who served the interests of the rich and powerful we replaced them with another politician who serves the rich and powerful. Can anyone sincerely say that the New Democratic Leadership does not serve Wall Street, the weapons industry, Big Oil, and the insurance industry?
3) We do not have a free press. With media consolidation the majority of people get their news through large corporations who have a financial interest in them thinking in ways that profit themselves and the sponsors who advertise through them.
I try to correct anyone I hear using conventional propaganda language. Its not much but its a small step in the right direction.

T Roy

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» KLINTON III IT IS NOT Posted by: reelman
Why is CHANGE starting to look like THE SAME OLD ****?
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 20, 2008 2:35 PM   
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When we had BUSH II REGIME it was like NIXON again. Only they caught HIS CROOKED Vice-President and HE had to RESIGN! THIS crooked vice-president was a close advisor in the Nixon White House and apparently he learned enough not to get caught so he gets big cuts of no-bid contracts for when he is out of office!
NOW BARACK OBAMA is elected and WHO is HE appointing? ALL OF THE OLD CLINTONISTA HACKS! THAT'S CHANGE?
Well, since Clinton and Bush I ( former director of the CIA not exactly the spotlight on open and honest government) are FRIENDS dating back from the Mena Arkansas Airport contraband deliveries--as in Iran Contra) have a GREAT working relationship and always have had one, even joining together in a charitable foundation ( charity for THEM).. HOW DIFFERENT IS IT GOING TO BE? HOW DIFFERENT IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE? I HATED NIXON, FORD was just a front man,CARTER was an idiot who sold us out to Red China,REAGAN gave us a breath of fresh air ( He did NOT want Bush as his running mate!) THINGS BEGAN TO GO TO HELL WHNE GEORGE HW BUSH TOOK OVER. He went around telling eveyone that it was time for the New World Order. Barack may be Clinton's surrogate and a continuation of Bush I policy. Ultimately, I fear Hillary will find a way to get him.It seems that people who could prevent her from getting what she wants have things that happen to them...I feel sorry for the African AMERICANS who think that Obama is one of them. NOT A CHANCE! I DO NOT SEE CHANGE. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING HAD MY ENTIRE LIFE DISRUPTED BY ALL OF THESE ECONOMIC RECESSIONS AND DEPRESSIONS AND STAGFLATIONS while the Wall Street crowd attempts to awe us with smoke and mirrors and intimidation...Where did all that pre-Bail-Out funding go? Try the Cayman Islands.

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Credit repair for Assurance..
Posted by: Quick money loans on Nov 20, 2008 10:19 PM   
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It appears that a TARP was not enough to cover up the mortgage crisis. Endangered mortgage homeowners could not benefit from the kind of credit repair scores presented by Treasury Secretary Paulson’s Troubled Asset Relief Program. This can cause a damage that seems difficult to overcome. On the contrary, 1.5 million homeowners can obtain a sense of security when they’re facing foreclosure through the Federal Insurance Corp Chairman Sheila Bair’s new mortgage modification program. This straightforward system, a $24.4 billion program drawn from the $700 billion pool that TARP set up, will allow lenders a stipend of $1,000 per loan they renegotiate with financially stuck homeowners. In the event of default on a loan, the FDIC has pledged to take on up to 50 percent of the loss. While Paulson proclaims this as a mere spending that will only bankrupt the FDIC, many view Bair’s movement as a needed investment to maintain the liquidity in the mortgage industry. While this won’t solve all the problems immediately, it’s certainly a bold effort to help repair credit. Click to read more in Credit Repair.

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