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Will the Economic Crash Take Down Our Hopes for Clean Energy?

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted October 29, 2008.


This happened before, in 1981. But this time the renewable energy industry is in better shape for a fight.
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A century ago French philosopher and writer Paul Valery observed, "The central problem with our times is that the future is not what it used to be." He could have been commenting on current events.

In August, Alternet invited me to write a series of articles on energy policy leading up to the election. At the time the invitation was extended, the price of oil was about $135 a barrel. Gasoline prices had eclipsed $4 a gallon. Natural gas prices hovered around $11 per million BTUs. SUVs sales were down, but car companies were having some trouble keeping up with the demand for smaller cars.

Renewable energy was expanding rapidly. The most important energy issue was whether the renewable electricity credits, bottled up by Senate Republicans for the previous 12 months, would be extended before they expired at the end of 2008. The renewable fuel everyone loves to hate, ethanol, was blamed not only for the rapid rise in food prices but also for food riots around the world.

In August, the economy was still expanding at a rate near its historical average. The stock market, down from the beginning of the year, was holding steady. By all accounts, the Iraq War was going to be the dominant issue in the presidential election.

What a difference 60 days make! The price of oil has now dropped by more than 50 percent to just over $60 a barrel. The price of natural gas has declined in similar fashion. Nationally, gasoline prices have plummeted by about $1.30 a gallon. In Pittsburg, Kan., one can buy gasoline for under $2 a gallon. The relationship between ethanol and food prices has proven tenuous because ethanol production continues to expand while the price of corn drops by more than 50 percent and food prices don't decline at all.

The economy is contracting at a terrifying pace. The stock market has plunged by more than 35 percent. The Iraq War has all but disappeared from the presidential campaigns. Sales of SUVs continue to dive, but now sales of all cars are declining as well.

The context for energy policy has changed dramatically. This happened once before, in 1981. I discuss those changes in a new foreword to my 1982 book Self-Reliant Cities, available at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance next month.

Self-Reliant Cities: Energy and the Transformation of Urban America was published just as the first wave of local, state and national energy activism peaked and crashed. Two factors caused the crash. One was political: the election of Ronald Reagan, a man who saw government as the problem, never the solution. He shut down as many alternative energy programs as he could and made his position crystal clear on the issue when he dismantled the White House solar collector array Jimmy Carter had had installed.

The second factor was the collapse of the economy. In 1981, world trade contracted for the first time since 1931. From 1981 to 1985, the price of oil plunged by 75 percent, falling from $36 a barrel ($93 in today's prices) to about $12.

Will energy history repeat itself in 2009? The economic conditions are eerily similar. We may now be witnessing the first worldwide economic contraction since 1981. We're already deep into the worst financial collapse since the early 1930s. The renewable energy tax credits have been extended, one of the few welcome outcomes of the financial meltdown since the energy bill was tacked onto the second bailout bill, but even with that long-sought passage, renewable energy expansion is stalling because of the credit crunch.

Federal energy incentives and mandates appear safe, although they may be reduced or their timelines may be pushed back. At the state and local level, painful budget crunches may result in significant cutbacks in energy programs. And in the marketplace, will consumers still be willing to pay a premium for green electricity or green fuels?

The biggest difference between 1981 and 2008 is that in 1981 the renewable energy industry was embryonic. National sales were probably below $500 million for all renewable energy technologies. This year investments in wind, solar and biofuels alone may exceed $15 billion. The economic and credit crisis will undoubtedly weaken these industries; research and development will slow, but it will not cease, and sales will probably increase, although at a much slower pace.

If John McCain is elected president, these renewable and energy efficiency industries will face a man whose philosophy of government is similar to Reagan's, but they now possess sufficient political clout to defend themselves. And if Obama wins, we will see an activist government that could, and should, view renewable energy and energy efficiency as an important activity. If unemployment continues to rise, as many expect, approaching the 10 percent level, Obama could take a page from FDR's playbook and institute a massive public works program focusing on infrastructure that lends itself to a green orientation.

There is an important reason investments in alternative energy and energy efficiency may prove attractive in a time of economic hardship: Many if not most of these investments save money by reducing operating costs. In other words, the investment pays itself back. The additional cost of an energy-efficient building pays itself back several times over during the life of the building, as does the cost of a geothermal system.

This fundamental feature of energy investments could lead the next president to mandate maximum efficiency wherever he has the authority to do so (e.g. large appliances, cars), and to work with states and cities to maximize efficiency wherever they have authority (e.g. buildings). The next president could, for example, insist that car companies taking advantage of the newly available $25 billion in federal loans retool their assembly lines to produce very high efficiency electrified vehicles whose additional investment repays itself within the life of the vehicle.

Even where an initial energy investment does not fully repay itself from reducing operating cost, it often is an attractive investment from a national perspective because of its indirect impacts. Wind energy pays itself back from a regional and national perspective by reducing the need for, and therefore the price of, natural gas. Electric vehicles repay the initial additional cost from a national perspective by reducing the dollars exported to pay for oil.

Starting the day after the election, the president-elect must involve himself directly in shaping policy that rights the listing financial ship of state. He can't wait until he takes office. A part of that task must involve resurrecting the New Deal restraints on greed and speculation that were systematically dismantled by the Clinton and Bush administrations.

One goal of that task, aside from achieving financial stability, must be to dramatically reduce the financial sector's share of the economy. Twenty-five years ago the manufacturing sector was about twice the size of the financial sector. Today the financial sector is about a third larger than the manufacturing sector. Over the last 15 years, our primary job engines have been symbolized by the growth of Wal-Mart and Lehman Brothers.

We need to get back to creating domestic high-paying design and manufacturing jobs. The good news is that today, unlike in 1981, such an effort may be bolstered by a government that believes in public action. And today, unlike in 1981, our renewable energy and energy efficiency industries are big enough and capable enough to shoulder the responsibility of strengthening the economy by massively reducing our energy operating costs and equally massively displacing imported fuels with domestic and sustainable energy sources.

The New Deal didn't pull America out of a deep recession. But New Deal investments did benefit succeeding generations. Publicly funded workers planted millions of acres of new forests, farmers were paid to reduce soil erosion, federally assisted cooperatives brought electricity to rural areas, and public works projects like water systems were built all over the country.

The next president and Congress will spend hundreds of billions of dollars to revive the economy. We should insist that they be invested in a way that enriches the common wealth and builds a new physical foundation that can benefit generations to come.

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David Morris is co-founder and vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance in Minneapolis, Minn., and director of its New Rules Project.

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We can always ask for help from Germany, Japan, China, Australia...
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 29, 2008 2:03 AM   
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Let's see... $700 billion for Wall Street banks and nothing for wind and solar development... and all the biggest utilities in the U.S. are dependent on coal, by and large.

To see some examples of how large-scale renewable energy projects work in Germany, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR8gEMpzos4

That said, the users of electricity across the country are realizing that they're being held hostage to the Enron crowd. This is leading to some nice solar and wind projects in the U.S.

One of the more promising is to combine renewable energy with agriculture to create fossil-fuel free agricultural systems. Here's one example:

SOLAR DAILY: Perpetual Power Citrus Orchard

There are hundreds of other examples. However, the main resistance to their expansion is coming from the entrenched fossil fuel sectors, the traders who deal in oil and coal, the railroads that transport the coal from the mine to the power plant, and the banks who invest heavily in all of these areas.

Those are the biggest banks in the world, by the way. They just got a nice $700 billion bailout from the federal government - but no, they won't be investing that money in renewable energy.

Furthermore, during this "economic collapse" the oil companies and their crony financiers are not doing so bad at all - BP just announced another record-breaking profit level.

Cartel capitalism in action. A free market in energy? Solar and wind just cost too much? What a farce.

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Say what?
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 29, 2008 4:25 AM   
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Starting the day after the election, the president-elect must involve himself directly in shaping policy that rights the listing financial ship of state. He can't wait until he takes office. A part of that task must involve resurrecting the New Deal restraints on greed and speculation that were systematically dismantled by the Clinton and Bush administrations.

Care to explain how somebody can act as President before he has the job? Isn't that approach usually scored as a coup?

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» RE: Say what? Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» RE: Say what? Posted by: westomoon
We can't get Derailed
Posted by: theDoctor912 on Oct 29, 2008 5:18 AM   
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There is no question that the Wall Street meltdown and the unavailability of credit will make large investments of any kind more challenging. But we cannot be pushed off of this critical pursuit. Wind Power Generation is not only clean and renewable, but because it gets us off of Foreign Oil and the huge transfer of wealth flowing out of the economy.

It’s a time of reckoning to be sure. The economy is in deep recession. We are in serious trouble. But here’s the thing, and there is just no getting around it. We cannot continue to export our wealth to satisfy our huge addiction to oil. Whether the number is $350 Billion annually or $700 Billion annual (depending on the spot price of the day) matters little. If we keep it up…we’re doomed.

The challenges, domestically and internationally, are so complex and so tangled that every decision and every action is wrong to some portion of the world. And the truth is neither candidate looks like they are going to be a very good President. But they could be a truly great President, if they are able to rally this country in a great mission to set us on the right path with respect to Alternative Energy and our addiction to oil.

I am really down on our politicians and our leadership. They couldn’t see this thing coming? They voted in the reinstatement of derivatives, with no checks and balances or even a method to track the total value of them. The ethics committee’s are disgraceful. Our Congressman and Senators dabble in grey areas during their careers until “politically motivated” investigations remind them of their desire to be with their family and retire with all the perks. We are an embarrassment to ourselves and to the world.

We want a change. Not the kind change Obama and McCain are talking about because they can’t even sell it…let alone do it. We are tired of the “I reached across the aisle” crap like it’s some kind of ultimate sacrifice or worthy of an “Atta boy”.

T. Boone Pickens. He’s got a Plan. It’s elegant, the technology behind it is here now, and it will work. At least 80% of it will. A good bet and enough to go forward with it. The sooner, the better.

Where there is will there is a way. We’ll find the money for the Wind Turbines and the infrastructure…Obama…McCain…lead us.

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Of course it will
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 29, 2008 6:04 AM   
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when the neocons steal this election by computer fraud and voter suppression, there will be more wars and even less money to spend on anything to help people.

As George Carlin said in one of his comedy routines, which in fact was very true and less funny, the people in power do not care about us. Their main intention is to dumb us down, lie to us until we believe their lies and then go about getting more power and money.

Until people realize that the system is completely bankrupt and corrupted and that the election of any particular person will mean very little in the scheme of things, there is no hope for change.

To see more about what I am talking about, please go to my website which is www.911inside job.net

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» Not this time Posted by: LeaderofMen
Dictator Bush
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 29, 2008 6:11 AM   
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I think once we get Dictator Bush out of the picture things will change.

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And the fight for cleaner renewable energy will be a win if only more people quit writing off HEMP !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 29, 2008 6:28 AM   
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And you can use that plant to make better plastics with it. Let's shut down the phoney "war on drugs", get rid of the ban on Cannabis, and make better plastics out of it instead of relying on petroleum for plastics. Hell, who wants to say no to hemp-built wind turbines and solar panals ?

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Reform and Devolve
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 29, 2008 6:45 AM   
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Capitalism is an addictive economic system in which the lust for more and more money corrupts everything. Instead, all industries should be cooperatively owned and operated for local production. Produce for family and community. Trade is good, but only for mutual benefit, not profit.

Then, peacefully reduce the human population through family planning clinics Worldwide. That way the human race can return to living in balance with the Earth's ability to support us with harm to none.

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Economic Chaos or Cooperation?
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 29, 2008 7:00 AM   
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This recession offers an opportunity to shift to cooperatively owned and managed industry and agriculture. No more boom and bust, no more pump and dump or bait and switch, no more polluting corporations and their "golden parachutes", just the people working in their own regional network of communities for their own cooperative enterprises to freely share and trade with each other.

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If the government has its way, it's not going to happen
Posted by: websmith on Oct 29, 2008 8:49 AM   
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The government is controlled by special interests who don't want the country to stop using oil. Congress and the Senate batted renewable tax credits back and forth until the solar and wind energy sectors flattened out. In spite of this, wind and solar projects now exists in 34 states. The people in Congress and the Senate need to be changed out so we can move into the 21st century.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html

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The failure of environmental capitalism?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 29, 2008 11:27 AM   
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So, the invention of the carboncred, by innovative carbontrepreneurs, seems even more worthless now that real dollars are becoming worth less and less real food, real estate, and real products.

Even Germany's Merkel has described the Kyoto protocol as "ill-advised". Indeed, when first-world countries seek to starve their people of energy, they are promoting a transcendence to third-world energy states--burning filth for heat, and cooking in the dark. That is, of course, as the most rabid of the environmental whacko's would have our species.

No. Promote cheaper energy, and use a portion of the revenue of human capital for environmental conservation. We can conserve, and prosper at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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» RE: sustainable population Posted by: DaBear
Buy wind now
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 29, 2008 12:53 PM   
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First, get real. Sen. Obama is going to win even if McCain calls him Adolf Hitler's pal and Palin calls him the Antichrist. Even if Ohio is embezzled as usual, Sen. Obama is going to cruise.

So, President Obama looks at the middle east and says "we have to cut our oil usage". Then he looks at the price of alternative energy. Wind clearly wins. Up go the turbine blades. Up goes the price of pure wind turbine manufacturers.

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How to set off a technological explosion
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 29, 2008 1:06 PM   
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It's easy. As always, inventors are going to the grave with their secrets. Here's what President Obama and a Democratic Congress can do:

You've heard of the Civilian Conservation Corps in the 1930s? This time, put ten thousand starving inventors to work. Pay them a poverty level wage, no more, and give them lab space. Why dig a hole all day when instead you can cut the price of solar electricity in half with a few reflectors? Be scrupulously honest and give them patent lawyers as needed, and in exchange take away some of their patent development rights. Monitor their work -- the government wants 1% of their inventors to hit it big and pay the government back for the other 99%. When the government hits the jackpot, build a couple of prototypes and then grease the skids to put the device into production.

Isn't this the smartest government plan you've seen all year?

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Bush Handed Billions to Thieving Banks
Posted by: Shankari46 on Oct 29, 2008 3:09 PM   
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How do you fix that and still have money for alternative energy? Easy. As soon as the commander in thief exits, bust the banks up and scoop all the money off the thieves who stole it. Nationalize the whole system and fire off the top, the parasites, not the bottom. Nationalize big oil and force them to pay for the programs to get off of big oil. THEN DUMP THE ENTIRE EMPIRE. Close all the bases down overseas. Cease production of weapons and force them to make green energy products. Dry up all the contracts with war profiteers.

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Banking on air
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 29, 2008 3:32 PM   
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The next president and Congress will spend hundreds of billions of dollars to revive the economy.

Please cite the basis for this claim. Everyone keeps saying it, but the evidence is that if Obama does win, we have a commitment to clean coal (which is anything but)and a miniscule paltry attempt to mention renewables. That's insufficient on the whole.

Sounds like you're banking on hot air from a rich guy. How honorable are the rich these days... hmmm? Lie cheat steal, do whatever you want and make others pay for it. Then behave insulted when people call you on your shit. Behind every rich person there's a crime.

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The key to clean energy conversion
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 29, 2008 4:08 PM   
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The key to clean energy conversion is decentralization; site specific combined with efficiency (which necessarily means lifestyle changes from what we do now--which everyone pisses and moans about but poor people are already adjusting their lifestyle so the owning-classers and middling serfs can go fuck themselves with their moanin'--every human being better adapt, or they die. Period). Unfortunately for the owning class do-gooders, that means they'll have to pony up the cash for the working poor and lower middlings who cannot afford the front-end costs of site-specific decentralized energy generation. Given the efficiency of PV and wind, it's absurd that these things still cost more than a new car, something most people on the planet can only dream of anyway.

So until the rich stop insisting that everyone work for them for nothing or a pittance, until the owning and ruling classes grow up and start pulling their weight plus some extra for those who cannot, we're all fucked. Totally.

Government activism is limited mostly to back end solutions (tax breaks and rebates) but those only matter to those who have the cash to convert their place to net-inter-tie or off grid generation systems and efficiency upgrades. The rest of us cannot. AND then there're the legal barriers the owning classes and ruling shitheads can't seem to be bothered with changing... oh no, I can't let my tenant make changes to my property, oh no I can't let an HOA actually encourage solar and wind systems or *gasp* encourage HOA's to use reserve funds to pay for efficiency and commonwealth power systems... oh nooooooo! Oh No, we cannot let an HOA become a cohousing consensus based collective... oh noooooO! Workers owning the means of production?! Good god, man, are you mad?! All those unwashed making decisions?! Hell no!

But for the owning and ruling class we could actually get shit done. But as long as these idiots maintain their chokehold on power, energy and policy, we're all flat-out fucked. Period.

And you'll NEVER see a writer on even Alternet write about that little icky factor. (Josh, you listening.... I'll be you a beer, any kind you like ;-)

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The need to put an end to coal has not changed at all.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 29, 2008 4:37 PM   
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Global Warming can lead to Hydrogen Sulfide gas coming out of
the oceans. Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo
Sap will go EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken NOW.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:

Scientific American

....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
PennState

"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

Astrobiology 1

Astrobiology 2

Astrobiology 3

Astrobiology 4

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
Six Degrees

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

OIL SHALE, TAR SANDS AND COAL MUST BE LEFT IN
THE GROUND TO AVOID THE EXTINCTION OF US
HUMANS.
We have to convert to plug-in hybrid cars so that electricity made
by low-CO2 methods powers most of our driving. Nuclear power
produces the least CO2 of ANY source of electricity.
32 countries have nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb.
The top 4 producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal
fired power plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China,
India and Russia. Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050
requires drastic action in the USA, China, India and Russia.
Coal, oil shale and tar sands must be left untouched in the ground.

I have no connection to the nuclear power industry.

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The greenest source of electricity, nuclear, is also the cheapest.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 29, 2008 4:53 PM   
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Nuclear power is cheapest in spite of coal company propaganda.
"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.

Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.

Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.

Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.

Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:

nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no
subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.
[Supposed subsidies cover the cost caused by irrational protesters. That is a cost
of civil order, not a cost of nuclear power. The price would be lower if the safety
level were lowered to equal other sources of electricity.]

from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price

from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price

from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price

Wind fits in here.

solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price

American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity

geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity

coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity

hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity

natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity

wind at 27 percent capacity

solar at 19 percent capacity

[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour.]

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Did George W. Bush create this depression to prevent investment in cleaner energy?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 29, 2008 6:36 PM   
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It seems absurd, but I wouldn't put anything past him. Having
less wealth does take away from our ability to invest in anything
cleaner than fossil fuels. Since the economy won't get bad
enough to seriously dent our use of electricity, the depression
prolongs our use of coal.

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WE ARE BEING SCREWED AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE
Posted by: cori on Oct 30, 2008 3:40 PM   
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After killing nearly a million men, women and children in the Iraq war and destroying the country, we are sitting on the 2nd biggest oil deposit on earth, while we are being sucked dry for this war economically at the same time oil companies are making record profits at the pump. How mauch more can we get ripped off? They ain't finsihed yet. Now we will pay billions to the oil companies to build oil riggs that won't produce for at least 10 years. bIG OIL AND COAL DON'T PLAN TO GIVE ANY GROUND.

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