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Union Card or Master Card -- How a Nation of Workers Became a Nation of Debtors

By Frank Joyce, AlterNet. Posted October 23, 2008.


Debt it is an important shaper of political and economic consciousness. The more you are in debt, the less likely you are to rock the boat.

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It has been apparent for some time that the 20th Century US social contract is defunct beyond repair. Now the economic system faces the prospect of collapse as well. Not surprisingly, these developments are related. They did not come about overnight.

Looking back, it's easy to see that the system which emerged from the post-Bolshevik revolution, mass industrial production era of the 1920's, 30's and 40's was beginning to unravel by the end of the 1970's.

Union membership provides a helpful lens through which to view the process.

During the 1960's union membership bounced up and down within a narrow range ending the decade slightly higher than it began. But starting in 1970, it began a steady decline. In 1970 union workers were 29.6 percent of the work force. At those numbers, unions were able to exert considerable leverage over the wages, benefits and working conditions of all workers. By 1980 union workers were down to 23.2 percent of the total workforce. By the year 2000, union members represented just 13.5 percent of all workers. Today it is about 12.1 percent.

Conventional wisdom holds that Ronald Reagan caused the decline of unions by busting the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) in 1981. Not so. What Reagan and his advisors understood was that union power was already on the wane. Did they know for certain that they could attack PATCO and get away with it? Probably. But even if they didn't, they deemed it a risk--a "probe," if you will--worth taking.

Either way, they did bust PATCO. Consequently, the message that unions could be beat came through for all to see. Employers got the point and stepped up their already fierce resistance at the bargaining table. And they devoted new and effective resources to defeating organizing efforts by their workers.

Workers also got it that unions were weakening. That too made organizing tougher. Corruption scandals and other difficulties added to problems of unions. As the power of unions declined, real wages for workers declined too. Most economists agree that measured in constant dollars, wages in the US have been effectively stagnant since about 1975.

Unions were indisputably an effective instrument for building a broad "middle" class. They did so by applying sufficient power to assure that workers shared in the value that they were helping to create. As industrialization brought enormous innovation and productivity, workers waged epic struggles that won them the wages to buy what they were making. Working conditions improved. Home ownership, car ownership and college for the children of workers became widespread. Pensions and employer paid health care became the norm.

But. But. But. For many reasons unions were less effective at sustaining the newly huge middle-class than they had been at creating it. (The how and the why of the inability of US unions to perceive, let alone counteract, the new forces coming into play in the 1970's is an interesting and important but different topic.)

Declining union membership and power is, however, only one variable in the equation that has brought us to the white hot economic and political meltdown now dominating our news and our lives. Another critical variable is this: as the wallets of workers held fewer and fewer union cards, credit cards were filling up those very same wallets. Workers were in effect trading union cards for MasterCard's.

In the process workers became the proverbial frogs in the pot on the stove. The temperature kept getting closer to the boiling point. But the water felt just fine. Because even though worker power was in decline, worker consumption was going up. Color TV's replaced black and white TV's, only to be replaced again by bigger screen TV's and now LCD's and Plasmas. Vehicles got bigger and better and working families had more of them. Shopping malls proliferated and shopping itself became the national religion. Cell phones, computers, video games, boats, iPods and snowmobiles--workers had stuff, lots and lots of stuff. The whole economy grew.

How could this happen in the face of stagnant real wages? Three reasons. Technological political and economic forces made global production both possible and necessary. That in turn made it possible to stabilize and in many cases lower costs and prices for goods and services.

The social upheaval of the 60's helped create conditions that brought women into the workforce in great numbers. The added income helped to offset the decline in wages for men.

Last and anything but least, credit, not wages, came to drive purchasing and consumption. For workers, debt came from all over: credit cards; longer and longer terms for auto loans; huge college loans; "creative" financing for mortgages. A whole kit and caboodle of financial entanglements enmeshed workers, students, just about everybody. The "middle" class became the debtor class.


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Frank Joyce is a journalist and labor communications consultant. He is writing a book on reinventing unions.

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Stagnent Wages
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 23, 2008 11:10 AM   
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As the article pointed out the real problem has been that for all but the wealthiest segment of America wages have been stagnent or even reduced . Productivity has gone up but the resulting profits have not gone to workers but rsther to Stockholdrs and CEO"s .
So what did the worker do he tried to sustain his standard he turned to credit cards . The
disaster that was known as Ronald Wilson Reagan
changed the tax laws to no longer allow for the deduction of Credit card Interest . They left in a loophole allowing people to take an equity loan and the interest on that WAS deductible . So when the card debt got too much , the worker took out an equity loan to pay them off . Of course the loan put his home at risk but he did it anyway . The obvious unfairness of the treatment of two classes of workers was unnoticed . The Homeowner could borrow and deduct his interest
while the poor renter could not borrow and so his interest could NOT be deducted .

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Experiment #666: Institutionalized Loan Sharking and Extortion
Posted by: derk_batten on Oct 23, 2008 6:44 PM   
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I'm all for capitalism. But for too long, those who run "the market" have denoted the American worker, as well as the workers of the world, as a commodity. Labor should not be a commodity to be traded on, let alone the debt incurred by those who perform the labor.

This is about the maintenance of control by the few for the benefit of the few. These bailouts are nothing short of corporate welfare designed to preserve a system that fails. How can so may positive currency amounts exist in so many bank accounts with so much debt pre-existing? It can't. The original debt must still exist. Wall Street and The Federal Reserve have manipulated our debt, created their own massive debts in the process by lending money they did not have and borrowing money they could not possibly pay back. And they worked hard to involve the remaining assets of the workers as well as involved international investors into a scam.

If something like this were performed between Joe the Plumber and Tom the Carpenter...one of them would be called a loan shark and if he tried to collect the debt with threats of action which could destroy their financial futures...it would be called extortion. Apparently, borrowers and lenders saw deregulation as some sort of tool to avoid responsibility for future action.

They worked with simulated, not stimulated, cashflows. The money did not exist. It's like some demented lab experiment escaped the lab and went on a rampage across the nation, and is headed for the rest of the world.

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Excellent Article ... then there is ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 24, 2008 12:26 AM   
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The 2005 Bankruptcy Act that creates a virtual debtors prison for those that cannot pay ... and we know that over 50% of these people can't because of health care bills and another 25 % because of job loss.

Congress, in league with the Credit Industry, has created life long indebtedness, virtual debt slavery for millions. Student loans that cannot be dismissed, even in bankruptcy. Credit Cards that balloon interest payments even when their payments are current, because you have delayed paying another bill. Then there is the injustice of the well to do getting debt relief on yachts and second homes while the primary residences of the middle class and poor get no such treatment.

The most effective way to get out of this housing crisis is to have bankruptcy judges use 'cram downs' to lower house prices to market prices but the Debt Industry will have none of it. They would rather crash the economy than break the chains of America's debt servitude.

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It's become very chic amongst the recent generations...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 24, 2008 1:36 AM   
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...to envision that something can be had for nothing.

Witness the rise of credit card, auto (f)leases, no-money-down-60-year-ARMs, social security, and etc.

No free **** after all, it would seem. Just ask your Grandparents.

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Outstanding! A nation of production became a nation of debtors.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Oct 24, 2008 2:13 AM   
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This is an outstanding essay on the fact that the US used to be self dependent, working for good wages which started at the top and had a multiplier effect down to the small businessman. Since the large companies have off-shored production, the businesses in the US that used to feed the large companies with products and services are disappearing. The primary product that we have been left with is paper and debt.

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Master Card
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 24, 2008 2:26 AM   
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Immigrants and blacks have always been seen as bigger enemies than The Man. That goes back way farther than the decline of unions.

Another factor was the decline of manufacturing, leaving white collar and service jobs. Burger flippers and waitresses were never in unions, since those are considered "temporary" jobs. Culturally-speaking, white collar jobs are considered middle class and managerial. Wearing a suit and tie with a union hat is considered a fashion crime, even though you may be making the same or less than autoworkers or plumbers, and have less job security. Carrying the unions over to non-manufacturing jobs should have been a no-brainer, but it wasn't, due to these cultural barriers.

A good point brought up in the article is individual vs. structural responsibility. Many wage slaves do indeed buy cars and big screens they can't afford, in order to pretend that they're middle class, and have an excuse to identify politically with their oppressors. At the same time, there are still a handful of people who live within their means, and don't try to leverage the middle-class lifestyle. The former probably deserve their fate, but if the latter happen to need credit to get through some tough breaks like job loss, medical bills, etc., they are caught in the same maze of sucker traps.

It's this mixture of victims and suckers which makes the mortgage mess so messy. I remember lots of ordinary Joes bragging about the cool deal they got on a mortgage, and how they could buy more house than they can afford. Shouldn't they suffer for their lack of prudence? Then there's the widow whose son died in Iraq...

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Being a worker in Michigan sucks...
Posted by: gregoireb on Oct 24, 2008 4:01 AM   
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My family has gone from a two union worker household to a one union worker household... And that's with my wife and I both having graduate degrees! We're slowly paring back our debt now that I'm unable to get a new job and will never get into credit card debt again!

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It's patriotic to use your credit card.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 24, 2008 4:16 AM   
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Why else would President Bush ask us to go shopping after 9/11?

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Prepare to be a lot poorer in a few hours . . .
Posted by: 6399 on Oct 24, 2008 4:17 AM   
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World markets are tanking and the Dow futures are already down as low as they can possibly go. It's a good thing its Friday, because one more day like this, and the US economy as we know it would cease to exist.

I'm completely serious when I say this: you will probably see the market breaker tripped today. Martial law to follow thereafter? Not sure, but we're damn close

This shit is getting serious, folks. But don't despair too much. This only gives the sitting president unlimited powers, including the right to suspend elections indefinitely. Here's your October surprise.

Look for the US Treasury to step in and actually start buying up preferred stock to prop up the markets, comrade. We are now past fear and well into panic. If we're lucky we'll see a peaceful capitulation. If not, you better ready yourselves for something far more sinister.

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Bust a Union...Crash a Global Economy
Posted by: BobS on Oct 24, 2008 4:31 AM   
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Frank Joyce is pointing out what the Corporate Media does not have the courage to tell the people...that when you crush a labor movement you risk bringing down an entire economy. Across the planet beginning in the 1970's, the labor movement was under attack. From Augusto Pinochet, to Margaret Thatcher to Ronald Reagan and beyond, the word was out to destroy unions by whatever tactics your nation's political culture allowed.

So instead of wages, the global working class piled up debt and economic misery. This planet-wide war on the workers helped fuel the vast disparities of wealth and poverty which were a major factor in causing the economic distortions that led to the current crisis.

We here in the USA must accept much of the responsibility for this disaster. It was our "Chicago Boys" with their bizarre theories of unbridled greed that provided the intellectual cover. It was our "masters of the universe" on Wall Street who wrecked the global financial system and have us staring into the abyss of another Great Depression.

Could this have happened if the global labor movement had been healthy enough to to say "No!"? Maybe, but I don't think so.

In the 1920's the USA went on a unionbusting rampage and drank from the Wall Street Kool-Aid. We then proceeded to crash the global economy in 1929. That Crash was a major reason for the rise of Nazism and Stalinism and certainly gave a boost to fascism and Japanese militarism as well.

Do I have spell it out for you? World War II, the Nanking Massacre, the Holocaust, the atomic bombing of Japan and so on and so forth...

What new global horrors could be unleashed if this present economic mess takes a turn for the much worse? And tell me dear reader, which nation triggered the October 2008 Crash? Go ahead...look into the mirror if you dare.

Maybe we shouldn't sleep though our history classes if we are serious about living in a complex modern economy.

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» The other extreme... Posted by: Russianrocket
» RE: The other extreme... Posted by: Russianrocket
» RE: The other extreme... Posted by: Russianrocket
observer X pat
Posted by: davy on Oct 24, 2008 4:32 AM   
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I think it was in the early 7o's when I was sent my first credit card. Thought nothing of and stuffed it in a drawer. Shortly after I began to be asked for 2 forms of ID, a drivers license was no longer enough. SOOOOO, now I had to carry the credit card. Funny thing huh ??? We're in this mess for one reason, we were SET UP. Wonder how it will all turn out. with Paulson leading things I suggest that folks should pick another country and ask them for political asylum.

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Don Quixote
Posted by: Don Quixote on Oct 24, 2008 4:55 AM   
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Few Americans know the history of US debt. This started a century ago. See Zeitgeistmovie.com and understand how difficult it is to change things and who has the real power (money), not the White House, which is only the sales department.

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Three Words...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 24, 2008 5:01 AM   
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The Federal Reserve

Fake money > Money as debt > The Vale of the Dollar determined by National credit score > The Credit Score is Equivalent to The health of the National Economy.

We don't have to pay anything back because the money is as useless as $h17 on the road. Its counterfeit and its illegal. If it is illegal than guess what, it is our duty not to pay back this "debt"

Watch: "America: Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo - Organize - Join the Fight TO END THE FEDERAL RESERVE!

Ron Paul Revolution

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Mostly BS!
Posted by: pinnacle on Oct 24, 2008 5:04 AM   
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The proliferation of the credit card over the last 30 years or so is truly the basis of our current economic crisis. But it's not because of any reduction in unions! That's pure nonsense.

Yes, it's ridiculous that the credit card companies are able to charge such outlandish interest rates and that should be changed. But, didn't your mothers teach you anything? Don't blame your problems on anyone else when you are the cause! Or are you simply stupid?

The real problem is that we have allowed our wants to become our needs! This has happened as a result of our ready acceptance of easy credit. Why not get the new flatscreen TV when you can bring it home and not pay any interest for 2-3-years. What the hell, everyone else has one! This is total stupidity. What happened to the "Lay Away" plan where you pay for the item before you take it home? Worked well for my mother for years. Her Christmas shopping started on January 2nd. Now our society shops, as if for Christmas, all year long but the "present" is taken home and immediately opened. Tell me how that's related to a reduction in union membership. BS!

I get several credit card offers per week right now. Do you? What crisis? The damned fools are still digging their own graves. Why must we be fools and accept the offers? That's stupid!

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» RE: Mostly BS! Posted by: Russianrocket
» Wants and Needs Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Mostly BS! Posted by: cmaciain
» And your fix is?????? Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Hidden Strategy?
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 24, 2008 5:46 AM   
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Corporate profits depend totally on billions of people with money to spend, without which there is no market, no profits and no prosperity. Have right-wing businessmen forgotten this, or is there a secret agenda behind all their criminal manipulations -- like a corporate aristocracy under permanent Republican Party dictatorship?

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Scary
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 24, 2008 6:16 AM   
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When you really think about it, it is quite scary what we have come to be. Sad part is we owe it all to bankers GREED.

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Most unions corrupt, akin to the Mafia or street gangs
Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 24, 2008 6:52 AM   
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And the decline in unions is I am afraid the fault of unions. When they started to pay union bosses six figure salaries and put them up in big mansions, you could tell the movement was shot dead.

They then thought they were politicians and started behaving like it. And in the process, they stopped caring about the poor, poor wages, and anyone except their members (and there only for the dues they pay).

As for credit cards and debt, all of it is the fault of the person. We choose as an act of free will to take on this debt. You are in control of your consumer desires, don't blame 'society'.

The only debt I feel sorry for people about is healthcare debt, and student debt: two debts you can't do anything about in life. For all other debts, there is Mastercard.

I strongly resent this country going down the toilet because somebody got some fake wooden floors in their monster home.

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» Why Stop There? Posted by: Gravitas
A new civilization will be born
Posted by: Cathyc on Oct 24, 2008 4:08 PM   
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So you say, melpol. But, was America ever truly civilized in the first place? I wouldn't say it was.

People who are trained from birth, generation after generation, to believe they are superior to their fellow humans - and who have to keep 'proving' this myth by acquiring bigger and better stuff that they don't actually need, are (in my mind) like kids, really - and serously emotionally-deprived kids at that!

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Thanks from a Union Carpenters Wife
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 24, 2008 7:59 AM   
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We live in a 130,000 Home (20,000 less than Sarahs Shopping Spree)
I drive a Ford Escape which costs me 232.00 a month,and have good driving record at 45
My husband would love to par down from a full sized Pick up...but he actually Needs such a large vehicle and it's finally paid Off!
We paid the child support faithfully to his ex every month for 12 yrs. We help as we can ever since.
We have only taken ONE Non Family visit vacation besides our Honeymoon in 16 yrs. Our 7 day trip ended in 3 due to Ivan (figures)
We have two off brand TV's, We own a 3 yr od computer (replacing the one we had for about 5 yrs)
I have a Bachelors and have worked the entire time we have been married.
We have about 30,000 in credit debt, have another 23 yrs of paying off our house, and about 3 yrs left to pay off the Escape.
We are not extravant Nor High Mantenence and Yet We are drowning in debt.
We play the Lottery- 2-3 tickets maybe once a week (figuring fate denotes no need to purchase more).We don't even care about Millions, we just want to get 'Even', or Just see a light at the end!
WE have savings and could easily pull ourselves out of it...But the ability to draw money out of these funds was cut off about 10 yrs ago. At one time we could 'borrow' from ourselves, pay an admisntration fee and Re pay ourselves back at about 7%. No More.
Funny how all the concern is aobut keeping th ebanks afloat, yet not helping to replenish them by helping people pay them off!
WE ARE NOT LOOKNG FOR MORE CREDIT!!!
So those grilling the Economic Terrorist like Greenspan are performing an act with Smoke & mirrors.There is no money in Those accounts and that is why they refuse to allow US access to them.Paper and Promises.
If there was and thye opened them back up to th eRank & File We'd pay off our credit cards, car payments, mortgage payments,colleg loans and thus fed money back into the banks who are lacking capitol. But it is not Capitol they lack it is 'Liquidity' which means the WEll Is DRY!they can't give US our money to help ourselves out of this mess because they have Lost it All!
It doesn't take an economic "Guru" to realize that when 'Trickle Down' (Feudalism) Does not, the bottom runs Dry.
Only through redistirbution the wealth back towards the bottom will the Well replenish it self. they want US to do this FOR them ..AGAIN.
But How can we since we have nothing to draw from?
Well perhaps it's time to find the 'liquidity' somewhere else...Freeze & Seize assets of the top 1%, who have benefited from Ill gotten gains (Predatory leanding and economic deprivation) and failed to replenish the Well (with jobs, Living Wages, Benefits, Limiting 'Money changer'charges..)
If that is Too severe, then atleast knock off part of the debt we have incurred DUE to these Practices..Which are INNATELY UNAMERICAN.
'Trickle Down' was the economic Structure of the country WE fought for Our Independence.
Greenspan et al should face Treason Charges, Instituting a Monarchial Caste System into America. He was 'Surprised' and realized his thinking was 'Flawed' just recently MY ASS!

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» Interesting personal situation Posted by: billwald
Bambozzled, again......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 24, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Excellent points in this article! Yes, it's that whole "ownership" society, well, the only ones that "own" anything are the corporations to whom this nation has become indebted! Even "our government" is indebted to the corporations! I say ENOUGH! It is time that we all get a mental shift going! What we all NEED: FOOD, CLOTHING, SHELTER, FAMILY, LOVE! Everything else is a want, period. So, maybe we can't get that plasma t.v. - doesn't the old one still work! Maybe we can cut some of those cable channels that aren't necessary - maybe we need to start reading more newspapers, and writing those letters to the editors when we realize they are not giving us real news!

Maybe, what we need to do is to really start living within our means. I know it is a shock to our system, and those of our children. But hey you've got to start somewhere. Maybe the first step in taking back our power as a people in this nation, is to start with the man/woman in the mirror!

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» Maybe... Posted by: Cathyc
I just joined a union last year and bought a mortgage... er... house.
Posted by: sean000 on Oct 24, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Excellent article, and one that should be circulated well beyond the regular readership of this site. I will be sending a link to more than a few people. I would proof it again though... just a few mistakes here and there.

This is particularly interesting to me for its timeliness. Last year my wife and I bought our first home... which includes a big mortgage. Yes we got a good interest rate, and yes it's fixed. Everyone told us it's a good investment, and I suppose it will be if we stay put long enough... but for now it certainly limits our options. As the article states we are now in a risky situation, which makes us shy away from taking additional risks like making a career change or challenging the authorities at our respective workplaces.

My place of work is already unionized, and I joined my first union when I took the job last year. I've been familiar with unions for much of my life, and for the most part viewed them as a necessity that helps workers bargain for fair wages, healthy working conditions, healthcare, retirement, fair treatment, etc. I am also aware of some of the downsides... that as some unions grew they became corrupt. My current union just seems sort of non-threatening. Most members do not participate at all... kind of like the way most Americans do not participate in Democracy beyond voting (and many don't even do that). Like many Americans, some members in my union assume that they either don't have any influence as individuals, or that the more active union members will act in their best interest anyway... so why worry? This article also makes a good point that people living in debt are so focused on making those payments that they aren't willing, and don't have the time or energy, to get involved and risk rocking the boat.

I have yet to take an active role in my union, but I'm starting to wonder some things: Like why my union job pays less than the same job I used to have at a non-unionized private organization? Why I had a 9 to 5 job in the private sector, and now as a union member I have to work 8 to 5? Why was the pension plan recently replaced with a 401k plan? What exactly is my union doing for me? Doesn't seem like much since I used to get better benefits when I didn't have a union job... although I'll admit that my previous employer provided above average benefits. Still... my union job seems to be below average in some areas. The only thing I can figure is that at some point my union lost some clout at the bargaining table. Maybe it's because of the reasons quoted in this article. It sure seems that way... most members don't want to participate, and even those that do don't want to bargain too aggressively. Not when they have debt to pay down every month. Well now that the era of cheap credit may be coming to an end... Now that the middle class may no longer be able to afford luxuries... maybe people will realize that their quality of life has been declining in important ways: We are working longer hours with less vacation, retirement benefits are disappearing, healthcare is worse than ever, and many people have serious problems balancing work and their personal lives.

So thank you for this article. I'm going to start attending some union meetings and asking some questions.

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They Figured It Out!!!
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 24, 2008 9:39 AM   
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The most profound line in the article:
"The more you are in debt, the less likely you are to rock the boat."
Wow! I always knew that the guilt we have over eating and other health related lifestyle issues was easily exploited by the kelptocrats. But I never really stopped to think about debt too hard! Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And we did not really LET ourselves get into debt as much as being manipulated into it. There is an excellent BBC doc called the Century of Self. It takes a bit of discipline to watch it, but it is well worth it. It is about how Freud's nephew Ed Bernays used his uncle's work to help corporations and the government manipulate the masses. They felt if you could tap into their unconscious desires and fulfill their needs with products, not only could you make a mint, it could actually serve as a way to control the population. Don't forget, this is the first time mass media was available as a tool of propaganda. A naive population fell right into the trap!!!

I am NOT trying to excuse anyone from personal responsibility. But personal responsibility means knowing what you are up against. You have to know your enemy before you can defeat him. We have to learn just how we were seduced to exercise more self control.

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» Know your Enemies Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Know your Enemies Posted by: Von
Deregulation caused credit card proliferation
Posted by: tom1946 on Oct 24, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Credit card proliferation & high debt for people who can't afford to pay it back is yet another side effect of deregulation. Prior to the inflation spike of the mid 70's, most states limited credit card interest rates to a maximum of 1% per month or 12%/year. Given this limit, banks were disciplined, giving cards only to the most credit-worthy. With inflation averaging 10%, states began repealing their usary laws under pressure from the banks. Freed from this limitation, banks realised that they could give credit to more people, merely charging higher rates to cover the inevitable defaults.

Does this sound familiar??? This is virtually the same scenario that took place in the mortgage market of the last 8 years. Freed from regulations that prevented lending to the less credit-worthy, banks just raised rates and pushed money out the door at higher rates to anybody with a job. When the invention of the CDO allowed them to quickly get rid of all of the risk in these sub-prime loans they lost all inhibitions. Why limit who you lend to if there is zero risk (to you) of default? In the end, mortgages were given to anybody who could sign their name.

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Industrial Mass Production is Not Gone
Posted by: pdxjoe on Oct 24, 2008 9:46 AM   
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"Looking back, it's easy to see that the system which emerged from the post-Bolshevik revolution, mass industrial production era of the 1920's, 30's and 40's was beginning to unravel by the end of the 1970's."

It has simply been exported overseas. What began to unravel is the profitability of an industrial economy organized around the nation-state. Of course, not all industrial mass production has ceased in the United States. Our culture industry has been turning out more mass culture for the last 30-50 years than at any other time in history.

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And what about people who engage in FRIVOLOUS spending and condescending the frugals?
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 24, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Just look at what happened in the recent months when gas prices were ARTIFICIALLY "lowered". More gas guzzling SUVs and more GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING frivolous drivers causing extreme traffic delays which normally don't occur even on rush hour ! And you think that's bad ?!?!? Think again ! Instead of people learning to pack their lunches, they're ready to drive 10 miles to their favorite crummy restaurants and spend like DRUNKEN SAILORS. You know what that does ? It depletes the fucking oil supplies faster and this is the kind of SHIT that artificially drives up demand for oil !!

I may sound like some crazy mad man to some of you out there but answer this. When the FUCK will America learn to accept and tolerate the notion of frugality and less materialism for a REAL CHANGE ? DO NOT even think of blaming the pols at this point. It is we the FUCKING LOSERS on Main Street that are engaging in the same old habits of persecuting those who choose not to spend and that my friends is why Wall $treet is laughing their FUCKING ASSES all the way to the FUCKING banks ! And it's about to happen again because America will NEVER EVER learn !!

And if you think gas prices won't go back up right after the election is over, you had better start paying attention because you're about to face another HELL and don't say I didn't warn you !

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Ya load sixteen tons
Posted by: willymack on Oct 24, 2008 10:06 AM   
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Waddya get?
Another day older
An' deeper in debt
St Peter dontcha call me 'cause I cain't go
Ah owe mah soul
To the company sto'.
So sang Tennesee Earnie Ford these many years ago. He was singing about the life of an Appalachian coal miner, but he could well have been describing most American citizens. The corporate crooks look upon ordinary citizens-you know who those folks are-the ones without bags of money to bribe crooked politicians with, in otherwords, most of us, as mules to do the grunt work, and fools to steal most of their earnings from. It didn't have to come to this sorry state, and it sure as hell doesn't have to remain that way. Positive change can only take place if Americans come together in large numbers (like with unions) and demand that change-or else. Remember the signs union picketers used to wave around? "No contract, no work". We need to do this on a national level whether we're union or not.

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» That's not going to happen Posted by: Cathyc
100% Correct
Posted by: ron heringhauser on Oct 24, 2008 10:12 AM   
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Dear Mr. Joyce, You have spelled out the crisis very well. The central bankers of the world (The Federal Reserve) and their fiat currency are the culprits. Having been a lifelong union democrat; I awakened 2 years ago and supported Ron Paul. Both parties are owned and controlled by this evil cartel. We must and will banish this evil from the earth.

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» RE: 100% Correct and you are. Posted by: symcokid
Credit Cards are the next credit bubble to burst.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 24, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Why? Well starting back in the 1960's credit card companies started giving away cards to grad students,to the point that they could have five credit cards before they finnish schooling. Just like the military,credit card companies go after the most vulnerable in our society,the young. They feed them just what everybody and their brother is short of....money,and then let the students pile up card debts to go along with their school debts.

Truth is...if you give folks money,in any form, they will spend it. That's why sending billions into the low and middle income sectors would be better than bailing out Wall Street. Bailing out the truly greedy is insane.
Bailing out Mr. and Mrs. Main St and their kids will pump vast amounts of money into the system via paid bills.

It's not that people are bad a managing money. It's the ever rising costs of everything to feed the greed machine that dangles 'credit',like a carrot in front of the citizen mule, that's the real problem.

You know, credit is how Washington got New England away from the Indians. He said " Let them have credit and when they pile up enough debt they will give away all the land just to get out ftrom under it."

Between governments,greed soaked bankers and speculators,the middle class and the low income
peoples of the World, maybe it's time to give serious consideration to giving everyone everywhere a zero balance sheet. Wipe out all debts for all people. Seems to me it would be a lot easier than all this bitching about who's getting better treatment than whoever else.

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» Middle Class America? Posted by: Cathyc
Meals of Crow For Americans
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Oct 24, 2008 10:23 AM   
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Credit card debt: It's what's for dinner. From a personal view, I never considered myself middle class, but I accumulated my debt in college when I held three part-time jobs.
The money barely covered my expenses. Then one day, the bottom fell out. I became sick and I had no health benefits. The aging car I had needed a transmission. On top of that I needed dental work. Altogether it cost me $7,000+.
How to pay for it? Well, I had to use two credit cards. I knew it would set me on a downward spiral of years of payments and evening calls from collection agencies. And believe me, the agencies are ruthless.
I'll be honest and share with AlterNet readers that I never used them for frivolous spending. That is a mistake. I've had lots of sleepless nights, thinking of ways to eliminate the debt.
So now a consumer credit agency is handling my debts, and I have successfully paid off one, and the balance is under $5,000. It's going to take some time. I learned my lesson.
As the article notes, if you're affluent, you have little anxiety over debts.
We're caught in a vicious cycle of debt and it affects everyone.
If we could turn back the hands of time when credit wasn't in vogue and union cards were universal, then we wouldn't be in this mess now. But I hope we all can live a successful life without so many credit cards.

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» RE: Meals of Crow For Americans Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
Sales are down
Posted by: Von on Oct 24, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Its so ironic to me that so many businesses / corporations around the World are posting low sales ( for instance the car manufacturers ).

Corporations were and are like hound dogs sniffing to find countries where their bottom line would increase. This meant in many instances leaving the US and heading to Mexico or Asia. So they then decreased their expenses on a number of matters and of course paid the workers in those countries shit-pay.

I bet its safe to say that those workers in other countries that work for companies that moved there from other countries,may not even be able to afford to buy the products that they help to produce.

When a US company moves overseas, Americans can then become jobless and we all know good paying jobs are difficult to find. Noincome or extremely limited income equals no buying of products, Surely these businesses dont have to scratch their heads and wonder why sales are down do they??

What I am trying to say is that when companies move overseas and pay workers peanuts, they are not in a position to buy the products that help to manufacture. Couple this with unemployment or a limited cash flow in the US and American are unable to buy new products. Doesnt it seem like its all coming full circle?

Each time I see a headlins that reads such & such reports low sales, I think to myself...no shit, you guys created it.

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» Sales are down. No shit! Posted by: Cathyc
It's the State of Denial
Posted by: websmith on Oct 24, 2008 11:42 AM   
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When the legislators denied that the Constitution existed and passed the Federal Reserve Act, we were sold into serfdom. The Fed has since assumed that the population's wealth was a bottomless pit that could be plundered.

The government's state of denial that a Constitution exists has become psychopathic. They have run up a $12 trillion debt for things that they mostly are not supposed to be doing. They have allowed our military to be illegally used to transfer wealth. They have allowed our rights and liberties to be stripped. They have allowed an army of 12 million illegal aliens to invade the country and now want to give them amnesty. They have wrapped the hands of foreign oil around our throats. They have shipped our jobs offshore and given them away to cheap foreign workers. They grow bigger while saying that they want to grow smaller. They have raised our taxes while saying that they want to reduce them. They have caused the future of every child born in the world to become harder and more uncertain. They have protected bankers while they strip us of our wealth. They deny who they work for.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html

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Easiest endeavor known to mankind -----
Posted by: symcokid on Oct 24, 2008 11:42 AM   
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to become a nation of debtors that is. This government controls everything and every facet of our lives and if they don't want us peons to get ahead they will keep us from getting ahead by making attainment an impossibility - just out of our reach.

So most people wish to get ahead and keep up with the Jones' and the first thing you know people are overburded with Credit Cards and thusly playing right into this crooked government's hands - in debt up to ther ass.

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The Rest of the World
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Oct 24, 2008 12:58 PM   
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sits in astonishment...

that Amerikans actually think JOE 'MasterCard' Biden & the AT&T-supported Democratic Party is supposedly going to 'fix' the problems of the incredibly corrupt Republican Party.

We sit in utter astonishment...

transfixed by the resplendence of the Amerikan 2-Party System which eats away at the futures, security & prosperity of every NON-Amerikan on Earth.

We don't get a vote, but we sure as hell get the shaft... because APPARENTLY corruption that screws over non-Americans is always in 'America's Interest'

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The Most Obscene Debt Is The Imposition of Student Loans
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 24, 2008 1:02 PM   
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I was born a few years after the end of WWII. All my Brothers and Sisters were born during WWII.

Our Country Was Totally Devasted. We were Bombed To Hell and Almost Completely Bankrupt...

But My Totally Bankrupt Country England Could Afford To PAY My Brother and I a GRANT to go to University

And sure we were working class - but that didn't matter - it was the same for Everyone who wanted to go to University. We were all paid a Grant.

And so what does our Generation - The Richest EVER in the history of the Human Race inflict on our kids

Student Loans

We are Completely Disgusting

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Some Exceedingly Good Things Come From Economic Crashes After The Death of Millions of People
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 24, 2008 2:08 PM   
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For Example - The Economic Crash of The Union Of Social Soviet Republics - Caused The Death of Millions of Russians and Many Other Nationalities ( Yes Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys Pulled That One Off - with a little help of their Friends)

Fucking Killed By Impoverishment Millions of Russians

The Only Positive Side Was That a Significant Number - (Actually an ENORMOUS Number)

Of Old Nuclear Missiles Were Disarmed on Both Sides

Perhaps we can get rid of ALL the Nuclear Missiles now and convert their fuel into Energy With a New Range of Nuclear Power Stations Across The World

Building New Nuclear Power Stations Is The Only Way To Safely Dispose of These Nuclear Weapons

And then we can stop burning coal to keep us warm and make stuff like the Internet continue working

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Is the AFL-CIO dispensing Credit Card poison?
Posted by: Getorganized on Oct 24, 2008 2:29 PM   
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One point which this otherwise fine article seemed to miss is that the AFL-CIO, and many of its affiliates, peddle union credit cards to their members.

In that respect, they are partners with the bankers in undermining their own movement.

Why would they do such a thing?

Because they collect one-quarter percent off the top for all charges made on those cards and those funds help to underwrite their other operations! And that's not chicken feed. It amounts to millions of dollars each year.

So, every time a union member charges something on one of those cards, they drive another nail into the coffin of the labor movement.

Their unions are handing them the nails and the banks provide the hammer.


It's but one more example of how "business unionism" works against the interests of working people.

When unions operate as "services" for a fee (dues), and members are turned into consumers of that service rather than participants in a social movement, it's no surprise that union leaders (many of whom see themselves as CEOs and aspire to be paid like their corporate counterparts) consider marketing credit cards as but one more revenue opportunity.

Is that any different from parents who pour a little whiskey into their crying baby's formula to shut them up and then later wonder why their adolescent children become alcoholics?

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an IMF is for what?-to favour britain and america and punish others.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 24, 2008 4:22 PM   
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http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/24/iceland-

Iceland Given Versailles Treatment
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October 24, 2008 (LPAC)--Icelanders feel they are being given the same treatment as Germany was given at Versailles after World War I despite the fact that they never launched a war. It is reported that the IMF refuses to consider any loan to Iceland until it settles with Great Britain. The latter is demanding that Iceland take a 3 billion pound loan in order to pay off British depositors. Icelandic parliamentarian Petur Bloendal said it is unlikely the parliament would approve the British loan, that the demands by the British and Dutch "amounted to the equivalent for every Icelander of three or four times the reparations that were imposed on Germany after World War I," according to the Financial Times.

The Icelandic Central Bank Governor David Oddson, revealed in the FT that they had held talks over the summer with the Fed, the Bank of England and the ECB and the Icelandic banks themselves over what they saw as a major banking crisis about to break, but no one responded.

The Anglo-Dutch financial oligarchy expects every Icelander, men, women and children to be responsible for the loses of their private banks.

In response to the British claim of "legal right", Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde told the Icelandic Parliament that "Icelandic authorities do not intend to agree to obligations other than those for which they are required to honor according to law. We do not agree to the legal interpretation that Britain has submitted."

Foreign Minister Gísladóttir added, "We are not prepared to bind the nation to this burden that Britain is referring to because we believe it would be beyond our mean

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Rethink required on imitating the American model of development
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 24, 2008 6:44 PM   
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Rethink required on imitating the American model of development
R Vaidyanathan
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 03:47 IST
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Recent events show a failure of many of the model’s basic premises

The evolving crisis in the American financial system is only a symptom and the disease is more deep rooted.

The American model of development is itself in doubt. It is based on many important premises, some of them related to concepts such as “market is always right,” “lower taxation,” “trickledown effect,” the role of the “hidden hand,” issues of “moral hazard” and of course the greatness of “consumption driven society.” It is also stressed that prudential self-regulation will guide the affairs than prescriptive regulations.

The recent crisis has to a large extent shows the king without clothes. The way institutions are bailed out by the government makes us wonder about the role of “moral hazard”. The senior executives who are partly responsible have not been adequately punished, nor their retirement benefits confiscated. The low-saving American household has been rudely made to accept the reality that consumption cannot just be continued with multiple credit cards. The algo traders and swap insurers needed more prudent regulations. The regulator needed more knowledge of the products and the over-the-counter products actually needed more disclosure and clearing mechanisms. But these are symptoms. The basic malaise is deeper. Throughout the seventies and eighties, it was globalisation of product markets and manufacturing facilities.

The anecdotal evidence often told in many a business school classroom used to be something like this: The doors of the Ford car are made in Barcelona, the seat cushions near Budapest, gearbox in the suburbs of Paris, music system in Osaka and the assembly is done at Kula Lumpur, and the car is sold in Shanghai. So, what’s American about it? It is transnational and the geographical boundaries are crumbling. Think global and act local, we were told, and bringing in the term “glocal.”

This was the ultimate in the process of global integration of economic activities through integration of manufacturing facilities to reduce cost, take advantage of specialised skills and pool the resources available in the global market. It was to move manufacturing nearer to material centres or to markets. It also argued about “standardisation” of lifestyles - mostly the American standards - in terms of jeans, processed food and cola drinks; heated food became the in thing and not hot food.

The nineties saw the globalisation of financial markets. If you wanted to set up a facility in Mumbai, you could now think of raising funds from New York stock exchange if the project was attractive enough. Funds were looking for markets and “geographical diversification” became the buzzword. The correlations between stock indices of New York and Timbuktu were constructed to justify that low correlated Timbuktu offer good portfolio possibility along with New York since low or ideally negative correlation implies risk reduction. This whole development was initiated by the USA and sincerely followed by countries like India. It premised on the belief that free financial markets and flow of funds would facilitate faster growth.

Then came the idea of consumption-led growth and greed as the norm. On May 18, 1986, Ivan Boesky gave the commencement address at the University of California at Berkeley’s business school. “I think greed is healthy,”

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For Lauren
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 24, 2008 7:05 PM   
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A free people?
Posted by: madregal on Oct 24, 2008 7:08 PM   
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FDR saind it years ago - A people who are in debt is not a free people. The big boys have always known this, and made sure that debt became the millstone around the necks of the poor. The Federal Reserve serves this purpose very well. It's time to do away with it.

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Nowt Wrong With a Bit Of Debt Except If You Don't Pay - They Send The Heavy Mob Around
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 24, 2008 7:29 PM   
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And I Didn'r Pay - Because Their Crappy TV Service Had Been Discountinued By Mutual Agreement 2 Years Before

Yet They still kept send me bills

And I occasionaly tried to contact them

But there was a 45 minute wait on the phone - and so I would explain it in Great Deatil that we didn't owe them anything

And I sent them about 3 letters over two years

But still they kept sending the bills for a service we hadn't received for 2 years

And then they sent these too hoodlums round to Demand Money With Menaces

And My Wife Politely Told Them To Fuck Off

And I Politely Contacted The Managing Director - And I said If You Don't Apologise For Sending Your Collection Agency Around - I Will Sue The Fucking Arse off You For Terrorising My Wife

So He Sent Her a Bunch of Flowers

And I forgot About It

And had a sick smile on my face when the company went bust

Wankers

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OleManRiver
Posted by: OleManRiver on Oct 24, 2008 10:47 PM   
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Except fr [sic] the typographical errors (which are rampant elsewhere as well, such as at CounterPunch), this is an excellent and long overdue article. We are now living in the midst of an economic crisis only a very few people can possibly understand at the level of intricacies, while the vast majority can begin to comprehend the global implications and the personal disasters we may face, or are already facing (foreclosure, disemployment, etc.).
The juxtaposition of the union card and the credit card is brilliant. Also historically dead on.
It needs to be noted, also, that historically, "enlightened" Republican scholars such as Sumner Schlicter supported the idea of unions for the same reason that any army fighting a war needs to know who is "leading" the opposition. Thus, internationally, the Bush Administration has complained, as has Israel in the case of Palestine, that they had no adversary with which to conduct "negotiations."

I still have my own old union cards. American Newspaper Guild. Teamsters (and yeah I know Hoffa and Daley were bastards...). Back when I did not need health insurance I had it. Today I have no debt and a little bit of money but no health insurance, so one medical "event" could bankrupt me in a Washington Moment. Back in the day, it was unions like the United Auto Workers that assured health insurance and pensions thus helping to create the Middle Class that is now tanking. The author is absolutely correct in recognizing the concerted effort of Regressives to destroy unions.

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Best article on Alternet in a long time.
Posted by: centure7 on Oct 25, 2008 12:30 AM   
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This is the reason I read Alternet articles. This kind of learning about history is not something you'll ever find in the USA Today, whose sole purpose is to scare people into giving up their freedoms and their money to bankers.

My only point of disagreement is how AlterNet authors believe bankers are responsible for consumers going bankrupt. No, consumers are responsible for consumers going bankrupt. Debt is not ordinarily a necessary part of life. It is the new American view that debt is necessary that puts them self in a bankrupt position. In fact the whole country will go bankrupt because of that horrible mindset.

Yes sometimes you have medical expenses where you really have to take on debt. But sorry that is not even 5% of the debts that are out there. The majority of the debt the US has should have never been taken out in the first place.

Bankers have the freedom of expression in America by which they can offer the consumer whatever they want and use whatever high-pressure tactics they want. It is then the consumers free choice to reject such an offer. How Alternet authors and the majority of their readers do not see this I believe I will never understand. I enjoy my freedom in America and so I hate for irresponsible consumers to ruin it for me. Let bankers make all the stupid decisions they want, and let consumers make all the smart decisions they want. As long as no direct lies are involved or hidden fees they don't tell you about, the deal is fair. And let banks leverage as much as they want, because ultimately it is stockholders responsibility to ensure their companies are not taking on excessive risks.

If they put new rules in place on banks they should involve simply forcing the banks to disclose all of their risks and more specific information about their holdings so that stockholders can make wise decisions. With that in place regulations would not be necessary as there WOULD be pressure on the banks not to take excessive risk.

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I don't want to be pedantic but
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Oct 25, 2008 1:21 AM   
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Have writers in general forgotten how to form the perfect tenses, or have they merely decided not to bother? I seem to see "beat" instead of "beaten" in sentences that require the perfect tense far more frequently than before.

"Either way, they did bust PATCO. Consequently, the message that unions could be beat came through for all to see."

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"Zeitgeist Addendum" movie reveals economic slavery. US history.
Posted by: thevideoqueen on Oct 26, 2008 9:00 AM   
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It's free to watch--
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

or watch on google here--
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

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