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Can Obama Turn the Economy Around?

By Mike Davis, Tomdispatch.com. Posted October 17, 2008.


The Obama campaign's national security priorities may be at odds with its domestic policy goals, namely the financial crisis.

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Recently, while traveling in the West, I had lunch at a modest-sized casino set in a wild, barren-looking, craggy landscape. On the hills above it spun giant, ivory white, modernistic windmills, looking for all the world like Martian invaders from War of the Worlds. I hadn't been inside a casino since the 1970s -- my mistake -- and the experience was eye-poppingly wild. Venturing into its vast room of one-armed bandits and other games was like suddenly finding oneself inside a giant pinball machine for the digital age, everything gaudily lit, blinking, pinging, flashing, accompanied, of course, by a soundscape to match.

It was (as it was undoubtedly meant to be) strangely exhilarating, riveting, totally distracting, and a curious reminder right now of just how distracting "casino capitalism" -- as Mike Davis calls it in today's post -- really has been. For years, with all the economic bells and whistles, all the mansions and yachts, all those arcane derivatives, all the high-tech glamour and glory, with Americans pouring into the stock market (or at least their pension plans and mutual funds doing it for them), you could almost not notice the increasingly barren, rocky world outside the American casino. You could almost not notice the shrinking of real value, of actual productivity in this country. These last weeks, Americans -- those who weren't already outside, at least -- have been rudely shoved into the real world to assess what their value (personal, national, global) actually is.

The next president will look out over a new, far less dazzling, far more forbidding landscape. Mike Davis, author most recently of In Praise of Barbarians: Essays Against Empire, who is little short of a national treasure, offers his own incandescent view of the landscape, presidential, economic, and otherwise, from the ledge at the edge of the canyon. (While you're at it, check out a podcast of Davis discussing why the New Deal isn't relevant as a soluton today by clicking here.) Tom

Can Obama See the Grand Canyon?

On Presidential Blindness and Economic Catastrophe
By Mike Davis

Let me begin, very obliquely, with the Grand Canyon and the paradox of trying to see beyond cultural or historical precedent.

The first European to look into the depths of the great gorge was the conquistador Garcia Lopez de Cardenas in 1540. He was horrified by the sight and quickly retreated from the South Rim. More than three centuries passed before Lieutenant Joseph Christmas Ives of the U.S. Army Corps of Topographical Engineers led the second major expedition to the rim. Like Garcia Lopez, he recorded an "awe that was almost painful to behold." Ives's expedition included a well-known German artist, but his sketch of the Canyon was wildly distorted, almost hysterical.

Neither the conquistadors nor the Army engineers, in other words, could make sense of what they saw; they were simply overwhelmed by unexpected revelation. In a fundamental sense, they were blind because they lacked the concepts necessary to organize a coherent vision of an utterly new landscape.

Accurate portrayal of the Canyon only arrived a generation later when the Colorado River became the obsession of the one-armed Civil War hero John Wesley Powell and his celebrated teams of geologists and artists. They were like Victorian astronauts reconnoitering another planet. It took years of brilliant fieldwork to construct a conceptual framework for taking in the canyon. With "deep time" added as the critical dimension, it was finally possible for raw perception to be transformed into consistent vision.

The result of their work, The Tertiary History of the Grand Canyon District, published in 1882, is illustrated by masterpieces of draftsmanship that, as Powell's biographer Wallace Stegner once pointed out, "are more accurate than any photograph." That is because they reproduce details of stratigraphy usually obscured in camera images. When we visit one of the famous viewpoints today, most of us are oblivious to how profoundly our eyes have been trained by these iconic images or how much we have been influenced by the idea, popularized by Powell, of the Canyon as a museum of geological time.

But why am I talking about geology? Because, like the Grand Canyon's first explorers, we are looking into an unprecedented abyss of economic and social turmoil that confounds our previous perceptions of historical risk. Our vertigo is intensified by our ignorance of the depth of the crisis or any sense of how far we might ultimately fall.

Weimar Returns in Limbaughland

Let me confess that, as an aging socialist, I suddenly find myself like the Jehovah's Witness who opens his window to see the stars actually falling out of the sky. Although I've been studying Marxist crisis theory for decades, I never believed I'd actually live to see financial capitalism commit suicide. Or hear the International Monetary Fund warn of imminent "systemic meltdown."


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Mike Davis is author, most recently, of the kids' adventure, 'Land of the Lost Mammoths' (Perceval Press, 2003) and co-author of 'Under the Perfect Sun: the San Diego Tourists Never See' (New Press, 2003). He is currently working on a book about the recent political earthquake in California, 'Heavy Metal Freeway' (to be published by Metropolitan Books).

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Can we (not Barack or John) secure our own future?
Posted by: aouie01 on Oct 17, 2008 12:41 AM   
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As has been alluded to by many articles on Alternet, it is important to have food security, health security, and in general access to sufficient resources to care for all. Whether or not Barack's or John's policies help turn the financial markets around sooner or later or never is less of a concern compared to the greater issues. Is Barack Obama or John McCain going to secure the world's resources for fair distribution to all? Are either of them going to put a stop to the plundering of the earth? Are either of them going to use our economic and military might for the greater good of all?

As we try to elect representatives who would do less harm and more good than others, we should watch out for the tendency to assign responsibilities, that belong to all of us, to just the elected representatives or the appointed ministers.

Can we secure the world's resources for a sustainable and fair distribution of the world's resources to all living beings? Can we ensure that whether or not people have any retirement assets (401Ks / homes), people can be provided with food, shelter and reasonable access to other resources (including entertainment, community, etc.)?

(As long as you are not a perfectionist) Yes, we can. For some ideas on how to do so, stay tuned to various bright ideas put forth by others and possibly by me at some point (hope to get Direct Representation details set up before the elections).

Sincerely,
Aouie

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Obama may not succeed in turning the economy around but...
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 1:51 AM   
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he damn sure will try, having worked with poor people in Chicago to improve their lives.

Conversely, McCain, who is married to a multi-millionare and owns seven homes plus 13 automobiles, including two foreign-made luxury cars, doesn't have a clue about what economic hardship is like.

Yesterday, for example, at one of his staged Stepford pep rallies, he talked about his 96-year-old mom traveling to Paris and wanting to rent a car. Because of her age, the rental agencies refused. "So," bragged McCain, "my mother bought a car and drove around France anyway."

Imagine that, being rich enough to purchase a car instead of renting one in a country most people can't afford to visit, much less arrange for private transportation.

Talk about being out of touch with ordinary Americans!

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The Financial Grand Canyon is An Artifical Construct- A Virtual Image Made By The Boys in The Casino
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 3:26 AM   
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Sure it looks as real as hell - and they have been doing their damndest to turn it into reality.

Certainly - they have stolen our money and hid it within the virtual image - but it hasn't disappeared. It's still there - we just can't see it.

Most of the players in the Casino - ie those working in Financial Services - actually thought they were doing something useful - and actually creating "wealth"

Their mental image was re-inforced - cos hey - look at my bonus - look at my Ferrari. This casino actually works - and we are all getting rich on it.

In reality the barrow boys were getting rich by draining the lubricating fluid of the entire World economy. Companies large and small across the World - who are/were producing goods and services that people actually need are suddenly denied that lubricating fluid and all the engines creating the real wealth seize up. They can't pay their suppliers, and they can't receive funds from their customers and they can't pay their staff.

So everyone loses there jobs. Services are no longer provided - and all but the casino boys starve to death.

This isn't an accident - it has been deliberately planned.

Paulson's solution is a joke. Check out Cash and Carry - the latest Golden Boy. This Guy is still in the Casino.

Are we just going to put up with this planned genocide? Cos that's what it is and the entire Game Plan has had a massive input and influence from those determined to save the planet at the expense of 95% of the human population.

This whole mess can be fixed relatively easily.

But it will take tremendous courage. The political and financial system is thoroughly rotten to the core - and it is now time for a few heros to stand up and start telling the truth. The corruption needs to be exposed at all levels.

Maybe we should start with 9/11

Oh no - don't mention that you say

Well its been ignored and just look at the state we are in now

If we don't get to the truth and identify the real problems and bring the real criminals to justice then there really is no hope

Problems don't get fixed by being ignored

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8th Wonder of the World
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Oct 17, 2008 4:29 AM   
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Obamarama has Robert Rubin nailed to his hip as his economic adviser, he of the deregulation cadre that gutted Glass-Stegall under Clinton in 1999 with passage of Gramm-Leach-Bliley. Only 8 Senators voted against its passage [Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski, Shelby and Wellstone (deceased)]. There will be no return to sanity with repeal and resurrection of Glass-Stegall, thus voodoo economics will prevail. Obamarama and Biden voted for FISA amendments that assault constitutional governance and will buy into more enhancement of the Executive branch to the subjugation of dissent and opposition. Biden voted for every dumbass push to war and escalation advanced by Bush and will eagerly abet transfer from Iraq/Iran to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Obamarama already loves the notion. Will blunders never cease. Now that Congress has pissed away every earned asset from the national treasury, there is nothing left to attend to the reality of Depression and its aftermath. Bailing out banks has never and will never render them relevant and material to Main Street needs and values. What has emerged is a scam that lets one bank play interest games with another and through that trickle down process a few orts will be tossed to the lemmings. What the hell will that accomplish? I am designing a Chinese flag to fly...it should be pretty with its vivid colors and relevant with its caption: "The Commies own us, Karl Marx is right!" With all of the right-wing, neocon and Republican inspired bullshit over the years, isn't it high time we declared the demise of Emeriker to be the 8th Wonder of the World? After all, we went from "we're No. 1" to dead last in every measurable category and that is indeed a monumental Wonder deserving of proper distinction.

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the only possible way out...
Posted by: ellie on Oct 17, 2008 4:35 AM   
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is to start small even if we have to go back to the barter system... then each takes care of their neighbors... let the elite have their 'cash' because they're not going to let go of a cent on their own... we rebuild OUR economy on what WE need to survive and refuse to let the rich in on it... after all, it's only at most 5% of the people in this country that are stealing and hording... we 95% hold power just by sheer numbers... just refuse to buy into their game, stay out of the casino...

yes, guess Uncle Marx then Uncle Dahrendorf were right all along, so we have playbooks already in place to help...

why do I keep hearing Springsteen's song 'your own worst enemy' in the background???

will it work??? maybe... will we be allowed, that is the question...

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The Abyss
Posted by: chorton on Oct 17, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Thank you Mike Davis. The abyss looks indeed like nothing we've ever seen.

Back in '67 my fellow economics students and I worked out that the underlying factors - the declining rate of profits on productive assets and the increasing debt-to-national income ratio, would reach levels of 1929 by 1970. We speculated on how long all the mechanisms that had been put in place for regulating and stabilizing the economy could postpone it, how far the underlying pressures could build up and how it would finally fail. None of us guessed that it could hold together for 40 more years, or how high the pile of paper claims on the real economy would get!

What we are staring into is not just a depression, but the Mother of All Depressions, the consequence of a 40-year interruption of the economy's normal depression/capital-liquidation cycle. It is going to present us with a survival challenge. Waiting until the economy hits bottom and then starting the cycle over - as happened in every previous depression - will not be an option for the people. Our very survival will require setting up new forms of ownership and control, now, even as the old ones are still collapsing, and withholding assets from the effort to stop the financial collapse will involve accepting the liquidation of most of the wealth of the ruling class.

Needless to say, the political struggle will be intense, as is already foreshadowed in the fight over "the bailout". The slogan already is "bail out the people, not the bankers," and surprising new allies appeared determined to stop it!

The bankers won this round, with a sop to the people, but the collapsing financial house of cards is so huge - tens of trillions of dollars of un-repayable loans topped by scores of trillions of dollars of what amount to nothing more than betting slips - that shoring it up and rescuing its owners will soon leave nothing for anything else - and in the end this will fail anyway. The government would quickly exhaust its power to absorb more bad debt by borrowing, and will have to resort to printing money. The resulting hyper-inflation will wipe out the value of all bonds and bank deposits - and debts. The "above-ground" real economy would grind to a complete halt, and what production remained would be for barter.

Eventually, freed from old debts, the economy could restart, The winners would be those who had held onto ownership of land and productive assets.

The people cannot and will not allow the system to go through this collapse unchallenged. The consequences would be widespread misery, starvation, disease and despair. Our demand must be - indeed already is - for the power and resources of the government to be devoted *now* to keeping the real economy working and meeting the peoples' needs. Already Kucinich and others are calling for the government to start issuing a new currency, now, before the old one has collapsed, and to start constructing a new structure for financing the real economy now.

This program, the only way open for the people, poses a direct and mortal threat to the wealth and power of the top ranks of the ruling class. It is however a program that nearly all the rest of society can agree on, to the extent that they are not swept up by fascist and racist obscurantism. In the end there will be no room for compromise between these two paths. The rulers’ only alternatives will be to accept the liquidation of most of their wealth or to try to overthrow the government and rule by decree.

Defending our government and program from this will require a full mobilization of the people. Every trick, tool and tactic the "overlords" have learned as rulers of the Empire will be employed against us, while we, the most naive people on earth, will have to learn “on the job” how to resist and defeat them, and how to "think different"!

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» RE: The Abyss Posted by: richholland
Wonderful
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 17, 2008 6:28 AM   
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the way I see it is we have two options. If McBush wins next month, it will be 4 more years of the same old Bush Regime. If Obama wins next month, we might actualyl see change. Its obvious Obama actually CARES for Main Street America whereas McBush (like his side kick Dictator Bush) only cares about himself and the filthy rich.

Jiff
Whats hiding on your PC?

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Maybe
Posted by: solrev on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 AM   
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I do not know if Obama can accomplish much but at least he has the right idea. He spelled it out for you “j o b s”. Unfortunately he will have to deal with a worthless congress, the repuks have already voted that it is better to crash and burn and preserve an ideology, the demos will not do anything but try and grab a piece of the pie. If Obama can survive his first term and create a nationalist movement the future could be bright. Do the words provide for the common defense mean socialism; do the words promote the general welfare mean socialism; do the words institute a government that will secure the rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness mean socialism? It would be wise to stop using the word socialism because of the historic propaganda, in stead we should be nationalists. Those three dudes had it right “all for one and one for all”, and that other dude had it right “take from the rich and give to the poor”, and that other dude had it right “the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few”. Maybe it is human nature to be a nationalist.

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Giving more money to these Crooks is like: Giving a Drug Addict more Drugs without any Treatment
Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 17, 2008 6:46 AM   
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The Corpirate System is Flawed!
Corporate GREED is The Problem that must be eliminated from any Solution.

Everything you have been told is a Lie.
Bad programming and Evil conditioning.
McCain is right about one thing.
We are Prisoners.
He blurts out the Truth in fits of his Aristocratic anger.
The Kennedy intervention.

We live in a Cor-pirate Delusion.
Prisoners in a Delusion that becomes more transparent every day.
Corporations are inefficient, slow to change, top heavy, over centralized, Jaded and Corrupt.
Rule from the top down has never worked for the Little Guy.
It is a Failed Hypostasis.
The Free Market is a Myth perpetuated by wealthy Aristocrats.
They use the capital appendages called Corporations to Rule.
Giving money to Bankers is Socialism for The Rich.
The Wealthy hold all the chips.
They have stolen and Privatized everything.
They own 99% of everything already and
Now they want the rest.
The money is right there in their Pockets, they are Hording it.
They want to steal everything you own for Pennies on the Dollar, preferably using your money.
This is the last trick in the Book, the last card to be played from a Stacked deck.
The Game is FIXED!
The Cards are Stacked!
They want U.S. to buy, so they can run the same scam again and again.
Decades of Banking Crisis, War, Assassinations, Dictatorship, Greed, Poverty, Propaganda, Oil Shortages and Scandal after Scandals.
What has changed?
Nothing!
Same War, same Channel.
Opps, but, now you pay $40 dollars a month for your own Indoctrination.

Bush/Cheney are Cor-pirate Parasites that feed off the blood, sweat and tears of
Americans.
They get a fat pension, socialized medicine and guards for life.
What did they ever produce?
Besides War, destruction, pain and suffering!
What did they invent?
Besides fake reasons to terrorize, torture and kill!
What have they created besides a line of BU__! SH__!
What did they ever build?
Besides a walls to separate, prisons, propaganda and a spying network?
They want to Destroy everything we hold dear:
Our families, friends, communities, Values, Goals and Ideals.
They are destroying the very Fabric of our own existence.

Disaster and Poverty follow in their wake.
Without a Patsy to victimize: there is no-game.
They’re ADDICTED to Power and Money!
Giving more money to these Corporate Crooks is like:
Giving a Drug Addict more Heroin without any Treatment,
Pouring water into a bucket with holes in it,
Giving a Blood Transfusion to a Person hemorrhaging with a bleeding artery without
Stopping the Bleeding, first!

Stop the Bleeding!
This Economic Crisis is only the Tip of The Iceberg.
It is an indication of something much more sinister at work.
The Whole Corporate System is ROTTEN to the Core.
They are Guilty of these Crimes against Humanity:
Lying,
Spying,
Thievery,
Corruption,
Censoring and the News,
Manipulating Information,
The Faux Media,
War,
Propaganda,
Terror &
Various other:
High Crimes and
Treason.
Our way of life is at stake!
Now is the Time for dramatic and sweeping Change instead of more of the Same.
Business as usual got U.S. into the mess and can never get U.S. out.
They had their chance.
Pull the Plug and start over.
Stop the BU__! SH__!

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

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Obama works for corporations
Posted by: nfamous on Oct 17, 2008 8:08 AM   
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Both political parties work for corporations and corporations alone. When are Americans going to get it? There is no right and left. Americans are Pavlovian dogs. The elite use race and propaganda to sway our opinions and Americans always fall for it to our own detriment.

You get the government you deserve and we definitely deserve what we have. We have been sitting on our butts, watching HDTV, driving SUV's, shopping and slurping beer and pizza for far too long. It's not even our choice anymore what type of government we have anymore. We elect the politicians that lie the best to us so we can go back to our brainwashed state of consumerist zombie-ism. Obama is one such liar. Bush promised change too remember? People in power never want change. Why would they?

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They Both have Caused This
Posted by: websmith on Oct 17, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Legislators and the banks have conspired to rip the wealth from the population. They shipped our jobs offshore, brought in millions of cheap foreign workers with H-1B visas and refused to protect us from an invasion of millions of illegal aliens. They have regulated energy to the point where up to $700 billion of our money is being sent out of the country to foreign oil producers every year and gotten us involved in an illegal war that serves only to give our money to the military industrial complex. They have allowed banks to take our money with loan shark type lending practices. They have legislated taxes, licenses and fines to the point where every single thing we do is now taxed.

There is no one left to sell products and services to.

It's time to make a change. http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html

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money is not the root of all evil.
Posted by: sirios on Oct 17, 2008 8:40 AM   
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It is the attachment to money or anything else that is the bases of the problem .You cannot fix the economy/money, when money is the problem. Even if greed was removed from the picture,the attachment to money as a way to fullfil desires would quickly reestablish greed,which in turn would bring us right back to a future problamatic here.

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» Greed is the root of all evil... Posted by: SevenStarHand
Financial Crisis For Dummies By FW Engdahl
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 9:04 AM   
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This may have been posted before on Alternet - or I may have read some of it elsewhere.

Anyway it's worth repeating because it gives an extremely easy to understand version of recent events.

Behind the Panic Financial Warfare over Future of Global Bank Power By F. William Engdahl, 10 October 2008

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Only if he quits pandering to the rightwing GOP.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 17, 2008 9:26 AM   
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Otherwise, FORGET IT !

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The best national security IS the economy!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 17, 2008 9:28 AM   
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A healthy economy IS the best way to insure national security!

And a TRUE reform and improvement of the economy will ONLY take place if the following are addressed:

1) stop outsourcing of jobs and manufacturing

2) the implementation of a national health care program

3) the increasing disparity of wealth distribution

4) economic policies that deliberately favor the ultra-high income groups

If the above are not addressed, then all the hot air about "improving the economy" will remain just that.

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Only if he takes-on the 'corporatist Empire'
Posted by: amacd on Oct 17, 2008 10:05 AM   
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Obama might possibly turn around our economy (and more importantly our whole faded political economy, society, and democracy) if he actually has the guts to take-on the 'corporatist Empire' whose ruling-elite is hiding behind the facade of their two-party, 'Vichy' charade of a government.

Will Obama actually fight the 'corporatist Empire' that Clinton and Gore caved to?

Will Obama show the courage of 'democracy advocate' Ralph Nader and dare to fight ththis 'corporatist Empire' (and call it out as the EMPIRE that it really is)??

Will Obama be a true patriot and minute-man for democracy, and continue the American Revolution to overcome BOTH the political AND economic oppression of Empire that our fore-fathers and Constitution stood and fought for???

You tell me, Obama.

Haven't heard shit yet.

Your recent (third debate) reprise of Gore's brief 2000 campaign promise (when he came down from the mountains in fatigues and a Castro beard and said, "I'll fight for you against those powerful corporate interests") seems just as hollow as his was then ---- although Gore seems to have 'grown some' since writing his most insightful "The Assault on Reason", in which he acknowledges that our country has been fully captured by a "faction" (I would have preferred he was more honest and called empire, "Empire"), and noted that they are "contemptuous that the concept of a 'public good' even exists".

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A more apt metaphor is a bottomless pit.
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 AM   
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Consider how money, religion, and politics are inseparable because of the inescapable trap (bottomless pit) they form. The conceptual and physical aspects of the world's currencies and monetary systems creates an endless loop. The math of debt-based money forms a debt generating engine that creates a true virtual vortex that is in fact, purposeful slavery by proxy.

The symbolism of the bottomless pit refers both to an ancient trap (pit) and to its associated deceptions, hence the inability to "get to the bottom of it." We are all trapped in a web of deception woven with money, religion, and politics. The great evils that bedevil us all will never cease until humanity finally awakens, shakes off these strong delusions, and forges a new path to the future.

Furthermore, money, religion, and politics are each purposeful logic traps and delusions that present themselves as myriad deceptive lures that are always illusions that can’t be attained or maintained. It’s a well-sculpted shell (and shill) game rigged so most lose while the Vatican and its secret society cohorts (those atop the pyramid) continue to win. Once humanity understands that they are laboring under imposed delusions and finally understands the truth, the power of the illusion will vanish into thin air, just like the darkness does when the lights are turned on, and like smoke does when a strong wind blows.

A little light for dark times...

It's no wonder the Vatican and its many cohorts fear the truth more than anything else.

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He might slow the crash
Posted by: billwald on Oct 17, 2008 1:37 PM   
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but the destruction of the middle class is a done deal. Our large middle class is a post WW2 freak phenomenon and we are reverting to the world historical norm of a rich class and the working poor.

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No way -- there will be NO MONEY to implement ANY of the U.S. government programs Obama speaks of...
Posted by: Physiocrat on Oct 17, 2008 1:41 PM   
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I feel very sorry for Obama because he has to inherit all of these horrible financial/economic woes when his administration takes office in January 2009.

I'm not a Republican in any way, but all of you clueless folk who blame ALL of these economic problems on the Bush administration are flat wrong...all of these economic problems and issues are not entirely the fault of Bush-Cheney Corp. -- many can be traced back to to the Clinton-Gore admin...and don't forget that the Democratically controlled Congress has for the past 2 years done nothing but exacerbate this crisis with their weak policies and extensive involvement with Fannie/Freddie.

Obama will not be able to implement universal healthcare like he promised, nor work very much on infrastructure, or early childhood education, or much of ANYTHING else. Most of his time will be spent managing dwindling government funds for the federally-run bread lines and soup kitchens that will pop up across America once the economy really tanks. The Obama admin. will be able to save a lot of money by drastically cutting the budget of the U.S. military, but it still won't be enough -- cutting the military's budget will in some ways backfire by massively increasing unemployment amongst White/conservative military-aged men (aged 18-40) who will then probably turn to radical right-wing politics in order to help quell their economic anxiety (remember Weimar Germany, anyone?).

With the number of billionaires, millionaires, and hundred-thousandaires in America also quickly dwindling (because most of their money is not actually in cash but in complex and nebulous investments like hedge funds/stocks/bonds/etc which are tanking big-time) the Obama admin. will clearly NOT be able to gain as much tax revenue from them than he thinks he will; also, even though many of these people made their money here in America, many of them have already moved much of their big-bucks offshore anyhow, far out of the reach of the American tax system. All hail globalization!

The U.S. government will also default on its debt obligations sometime during the first year of the Obama administration, leading to even more economic chaos if not the systemic collapse of almost the entire U.S. government.

Sorry Mr. Obama...come January 2009 you will inherit one hell of an American mess! I sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now, you are clearly in over your head...and I bet McCain is secretly telling himself he is GLAD Obama will win because then he won't have to deal with all of these converging crises during the next 4 years but will simply get to comfortably finish out his Senate term and then retire to one or more of his 48189532789 homes.

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No one can turn Wall St. Around...
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 17, 2008 3:00 PM   
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They're too fucking greeedy. They own most of the politicians and the ones they don't own other outfits do. There's only one way any President is goping to make the economy better for Mr. and Mrs Main St. as well as 3rd and 4th Street.
'Declare a State of Domestic Emergency' in the middle and lower incomes,fuck the rich, and give every one in those income brackets whatever the FDIC insurance amount is. Right now it's 250K.

What's going to happen? First thr rich will bitch because their private wealth lost it's public subsidy but folks will payoff debts,put their kids money in the bank and the money will move up the system like it's supposed to and not the other way around.

So far no one has the balls to do that. Which only proves how 'bought and paid for' they are. They keep talking about how hard things will be on us,the working stiffs,but what if we made it hard on them by not buying their crap. No big screen TV's,No fancy houses,
No gas gulping luxury SUV's,none of the high-end crap they peddle to us as 'needed to be 'in'.' That would hurt them and they deserve it. They poison our air and water,give us poisoned food,toys,baby medicines,toothpaste
and we let them have worthless stocks that sell for 10 grand a pop. What's wrong with this picture?

You turn Wall ST.around by funneling cash into 3rd St. 4th St. Jeffreson Ave. and all the side streets real Americans live on.

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Steal Back Your Vote,
Posted by: cori on Oct 17, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast released today

Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging” ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.

There's more:

- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."

Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.

The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.

"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."

The investigators level a deadly serious charge:

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. [Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via interviews@gregpalast.com.]

Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone investigative report what they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org

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why does this brawn defend the hedge fund?-because it is british inspired scam.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 17, 2008 5:19 PM   
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http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/17/


LaRouche: "It's Either Civilization, Or the Hedge Funds"
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October 17, 2008 (LPAC)--"What's ongoing now, is a general war by the hedge funds, against everybody," Lyndon LaRouche said this morning. "The hedge funds are trying to clear out of their own mess, and naturally, doing what they would do in that case. And, everything is that. It has to be evaluated as that.

"Now the hedge funds are in a panic flight," he went on, "and they're hitting out in all directions, and they're hitting out at anyone who might get in the way of their getting clear of their own crimes. They're trying to dump their garbage on national governmnents and everyone else, and anyone who gets in the way of their stealing.

"And if you want to understand them," LaRouche explained, "you have to understand that the hedge fund method, is essentially what was considered a crime, when it was being done by Michael Milken. And therefore, when you're dealing with hedge funds, you're dealing with international criminal elements. That's what has to be understood: the hedge funds, by instinct, are international criminal elements, and should be so treated. People should stop treating them as having legitimate claims. They don't have any legitimate claims. They never made any legitimate agreements,-- how can they have legitimate claims? This is a form of thievery! This is a swindle! These guys are morally criminals, and have all the characteristics of criminal instincts, and should be so treated.

"Trying to be nice to these guys, not to say bad things about them, is really a mistake," he went on. "They ARE criminals! Look at the condition of humanity; isn't that a crime against humanity? Hedge funds have shown themselves to be a crime against humanity, not only in principle, but in substance. They were criminal when people like Michael Milkin were pushing them. They were criminal when Alan Greenspan pushed them. Greenspan just legalized the crime; it's nothing but legalized crime, and has no moral claims. They have NOTHING coming to them.

"It's either civilization or the hedge funds," LaRouche summed it up. "That's what it is right now, and everyone knows it; it's just a question of what you're going to do about it. You have to decide which side you're on. If you accept the hedge funds, you're not on the side of humanity.

More broadly, "It must be repeated that the entire international system is hopelessly bankrupt," LaRouche concluded, "and only a new system being introduced immediately, would get the world out of the mess. It's those who are trying to defend the existing system, who are in effect, whether they intend to be or not, are in effect criminals."

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Crony capitalism of the anglosaxon variety to loot the rest of the world.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 17, 2008 6:11 PM   
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Turn Them Into Public Utilities
No More Investment Banks

By MIKE WHITNEY
From--http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney10172008.html



Author F. William Engdahl sees a more nefarious motive behind Paulson's maneuvering and he lays it out in his article, "Behind the Panic: Financial Warfare and the Future of Global Bank Power":

"It now would appear that the Paulson strategy was to use a crisis... to panic the more conservative European Union governments into rushing to the rescue of US toxic waste assets. Were that to have happened, it would in the process destroy what was left of sound EU banking and financial institutions, bringing the world one step closer to a global money market controlled by Paulson’s cronies—US-style Crony Capitalism. Crony Capitalism is certainly appropriate here. Paulson’s predecessor at both Goldman Sachs and at Treasury, Robert Rubin, liked to accuse the Asian bankers of Thailand, Indonesia and other lands hit with the speculative attacks of US-financed hedge funds in 1997 of ‘crony capitalism,’ leaving the impression the crisis was home grown in Asia and not the result of a deliberate executed attack by US-financed financial institutions to eliminate the Asia Tiger model among other goals, and turn Asia into the funder of US debt.

Interesting to note is that Rubin is now a Director of Citigroup, obviously one of Paulson’s crony bank ‘survivors,’ and the bank which to date has had to write off the largest sum in toxic waste securitized assets.

The Paulson plan is now clearly part of a project to create three colossal global financial giants—Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and, of course, Paulson’s own Goldman Sachs, now conveniently enough a bank. Having successfully used fear and panic to wrestle a $700 billion bailout from the US taxpayers, now the big three will try to use their unprecedented muscle to ravage European banks in the years ahead. The reorganized US financial power of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase could potentially regroup and advance their global agenda over the coming several years, walking over the ashes of a bankrupt American economy made bankrupt by their follies.... This is a fight for the survival of the American Century which has been built since 1939 on the twin pillars of American financial dominance and American military dominance—Full Spectrum, Dominance." (F. William Engdahl, "Behind the Panic: Financial Warfare and the Future of Global Bank Power" Global Research)

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Plan W
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Oct 17, 2008 7:45 PM   
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Barack Obama is about to be Carterized by the economic meltdown.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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new markets for labor
Posted by: richholland on Oct 17, 2008 8:47 PM   
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seen on tv; bin laden has ablack beard, terrorists have black beards..
11.000.000 illegal immigrants, many mexicans, have a black moustache.

if all illegal people wear black beards and all terrorists moustaches McCain can give 11.ooo.ooo jobs to terroriststfighters....
I demand a subsidy of $ 700 billion for the idea; intellectual property,

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new markets for labor
Posted by: richholland on Oct 17, 2008 8:47 PM   
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seen on tv; bin laden has ablack beard, terrorists have black beards..
11.000.000 illegal immigrants, many mexicans, have a black moustache.

if all illegal people wear black beards and all terrorists moustaches McCain can give 11.ooo.ooo jobs to terroriststfighters....
I demand a subsidy of $ 700 billion for the idea; intellectual property,

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the economy will turn around regardless
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Oct 18, 2008 10:17 AM   
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...the question is what will it be based on.

jdfu!

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