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Not My Financial Crisis -- I've Got Literally Nothing to Lose

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted October 13, 2008.


Like most people I know in their 20s and 30s, it takes a stretch of the imagination to understand that I have a stake in the national economy.

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In a literal sense, the financial meltdown has hit me close to home. The smoking ash piles on Wall Street lay just a 10-minute walk from my front door in New York's Chinatown. But my sense of proximity to events stops there. In terms of their impact on the soundness of my sleep, at least so far, the economy in question might as well be North Korea. My feeling of remove from the crisis is a product of the fact that I don't have much to lose. Like millions of Americans, I own nothing -- not property, not stock, not a 401(k) plan, not health insurance, not a car, nothing.

Like most people I know in their 20s and 30s, it takes a stretch of the imagination to understand that I have a stake in the national economy. In terms of day-to-day life, my only ties to large financial institutions are a Bank of America checking account, a single low-limit high-fee Visa card, and a Kilimanjaro of student debt, which I have come to accept as something I will die with, not from, like a benign but grapefruit-size tumor or peaceable parasite dwelling in my large intestine. When people use scary terms like "unchartered territory" and "total meltdown," my first thought is, "Would an economic cataclysm wipe out my student debt? If so, then let's press reset and start the whole damn thing over! Burn it clean!"

I haven't heard much from or about people like me in the last month. Watching the media report on the crisis, you'd think the United States had achieved the Republican dream of becoming a full-fledged "ownership society" populated by an upwardly mobile class of home-owning day traders sitting on fat nest eggs. But it hasn't. So here's a news flash from the young-and-indebted demographic: Those of us without retirement plans or health insurance, who just barely make rent and buy food in the real economy, a lot of us aren't as scared as maybe we should be. We have our own gut take on the disappearance of $9 trillion in electronic NYSE casino chips. And that is, we could give a shit.

There is even less angst when it comes to the popped housing bubble and fractured sub-prime mortgage mess that triggered the cascade. To paraphrase Stalin: no mortgage, no problem. If you occupy your home -- in my case, a small loft that I share with seven people -- on the basis of a month-to-month lease, you're not going to mourn a steep drop in housing prices. You are going to throw a party and hang a piñata in the shape of your landlord. If my landlord faces foreclosure on his property and I am evicted, my next crisis-era apartment will be that much cheaper, assuming I can find enough work to make rent. But what else is new?

I realize at some level that it's facile to think I don't have a stake in a stable economy, or that further meltdown will affect only those with the most to lose. As the economist Max Wolff told Josh Holland in his weekend roundup of progressive expert opinion on the crisis, "The banks' pain is ours. Millions will be fired. When it rains on the top of the hill, those who live on the bottom of the hill drown." I get that. Scraping by will likely become even harder in the days ahead for people in my income bracket. But it seems to me that a decade of scraping by is good practice for whatever's coming. And it's just a fact that this particular era of capitalism hasn't been very good for those of us at the bottom of the wealth pyramid. If it takes some creative destruction to herald a new, more egalitarian, better regulated economy, then so be it. Millions of us are waiting for the reckoning with belts already tightened. They've been tightened for as long as we can remember.

Even though I don't own a home and likely never will, I sympathize with those now trapped into mortgages they can't afford. I made the exact same mistake 16 years ago, when I signed a bunch of dotted lines in order to attend a private college. I learned my lesson early and have lived within my means ever since, getting by hand to mouth on an average freelancer's salary south of $25,000. Eighteen was a good age to learn the massive-debt lesson. Unlike all those foreclosed homes, nobody can take away my fancy if useless liberal arts degree. The best side effect of the tightening credit crunch is that U.S. banks are closing down their private student loan operations, saving a new generation of high school grads from borrowing tens of thousands of dollars at high interest rates just so they can play the prestige name game with a bunch of prep-schooled future investment bankers.


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Young people are screwed with an attitude like that...
Posted by: skoog5600 on Oct 13, 2008 1:32 AM   
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Wow, I can only say that for someone in their late 20s or 30s reflected in this author's attitude, you are going to be in bad shape for the rest of your life.

Rather than complain and piss and moan about having signed on the dotted line in order to obtain a school loan, why not look at what you might be able to do to make a difference. This is exactly the mentality most Americans young and old have. I don't have anything, but I want to be like those that have something so I will do what I can to live beyond my means.

It is a sad state of affairs in the US. I would venture to say that the US will someday be a 1st world, 2nd tier country servicing the powerful countries of China and India where young people work and study hard in order to excel and improve their countries situations. Do you see that in the US? No, just a freelance journalist pissing and moaning about what he doesn't have and doing nothing about it.

Good luck!

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» Hope? Posted by: benzene
» Good angry rant Posted by: skoog5600
» What's your point? Posted by: blogbooks
» Worthless education Posted by: Cathyc
» There you go playing the victim Posted by: skoog5600
Thanks for this.
Posted by: nihilozero on Oct 13, 2008 3:47 AM   
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I needed the laugh. Well written and funny. A bit too optimistic, but I enjoyed reading it anyway.
Nihilo Zero

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» Right ,this was funny Posted by: plantland
elc
Posted by: Songaweek on Oct 13, 2008 3:59 AM   
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I'm 50 something with little to lose as the economy founders. There are a lot of us with educations and no killer instinct who haven't prospered since our long ago graduations. When my millionaire employer got off the phone one morning last week and said to me, teary eyed, "Do I look like a woman who just lost half a million dollars of her own money?" I had trouble tacking the proper expression on my face. Meanwhile, I lose sleep every night over the plight of my children, two of whom are attending college on student loans and their own paychecks. I don't even know what they will owe when and if they graduate. One is in a PA state university and one is attending community college. That's as affordable as it gets, and for people like us, it is still nearly impossible to keep up with the extras, like books.

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» Well... Posted by: BreeMass
Now Hold On
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 13, 2008 4:31 AM   
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I am only 19 and I know the consequences if I lose my job in this shitty market. It is in the best interest of everyone to keep the market stable yet prepare for the worst. It is time to stop trying to live beyond our means and actually save away money.

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» RE: Now Hold On Posted by: lil ole me
Wallstreet did a Project Mayhem on itself
Posted by: merik on Oct 13, 2008 4:37 AM   
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Noam Chomsky recently said that the situation was too dire to indulge in schadenfreude. (I had to look it up too.) Nonetheless, I agree in sentiment with the author and some of the commentators. I was in my second year of college when Fight Club came out. I think that captured the feeling of a lot of us. We obeyed the cradle-to-grave advertising as our budgets and credit card balances allowed. We went to college. We did what we were told. It led to deeper slavery and deeper despair. In the climax of that movie, the Club blows up the headquarters of the credit card companies in order to cause a complete economic meltdown through the loss of credit. Who would have thought that we needed not Tyler Durden but patience? The System did a Project Mayhem on itself! I ain't gonna cry about it. In fact, I'm going to smile. Even though my father lost a big chunk of his retirement, the pain of the fat parasites in New York City is just too sweet. There's a crack in the American Dream and it's time, like the Berlin wall before it, to pull it down.

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» What a great analogy. Posted by: wolfgangmo75
Too Big To Go Down, Too Big To Be Believed
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Oct 13, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Alexander Zaitchik's biting comments represent a much needed scorn for those who embrace this idiotic mythology of medieval feudalism (should the peasants offer their forelock to the moneyed nobles, those titans of commercial paper fraud?). Only this morning on business television, I heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth for Morgan Stanley, who struggle to not be seen as the first in line, awaiting their government handout.

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» worse than slavery... Posted by: Cathyc
At the other end of the spectrum
Posted by: girvind on Oct 13, 2008 5:34 AM   
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I think what most bothers me about the current "crisis" is that no-one claims to have seen it coming whereas it has, in fact, been approaching with all the subtlety of a freight train for years. Lack of sustainability has been a prime feature of the American, and unfortunately by definition, the global economy for decades. I was a willing participant for many years and made a comfortable living working, in the good American way, far too many hours for not enough money but around 2001 became increasingly uneasy about my vulnerability to forces outside my immediate control. I became less and less comfortable with the predatory nature of US banking in general so when I turned 60, I sold my largish, highly mortgaged house (before the bubble burst), closed my one-woman business and moved to a less frenetic society. I purchased a much smaller fully paid up house (in Scotland) and settled down to live within my means. I am not particularly bright, so if I could see this, how come all these "experts" couldn't? This writer is correct, if you don't have too much, you are less likely to lose it!

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I'm lovin' it!
Posted by: Farasien on Oct 13, 2008 6:04 AM   
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As an member of the thirtysomething generation, I have to say, though Chomsky said Shadenfreud was un-called for, I'm taking mine where I can find it. Though I'm in better shape financially than most people in my generation, I'm definitely not and am almost certain-thanks to the rules now making it all but impossible (bankrupsy laws, corrupt corporate systems, etc.) to ever be rich. The current situation was waiting to happen, and I've been seeing the tower leaning for a long time. When people saw Google and other overpriced add agencies taking off and said it was a miracle and how the 'next big thing' was HERE, all I could think of was how these clowns, like investment bankers, were selling nothing but empty AIR to unwise, greedy idiots. When you look at the systems in place currently, the rules have been skewed in such a way to create and continue a slave-like state where workers' rights are stripped, the social safety nets-put in place after the LAST crash-are cancelled and upward mobility is made all but impossible for those who don't already sit near the top of the socioeconomic ladder. When things started breaking down, though I do have a little to lose, I was cheering for it- and I still am. If I were to lose everything and see the whole building collapse, I consider it a worthwhile expense. If I manage to live to see the vast majority of the assholes who lord over us all take a poverty missile, it'll make the pain I've lived through worth it.

Its about damn time there was a reshuffling of the deck. I just hope I'm there to see the boomers who perpetrated this horror line up in the bread lines right next to those they beggered.

Just desserts!

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» RE: I'm lovin' it! Posted by: lawana
Fact of life
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 13, 2008 6:14 AM   
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The richer just keep on getting richer (at Main Street Americas expense) and the poor, well you know...

Jiff
Is your ISP watching you?

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I Don't Remember the Great Depression
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 13, 2008 6:20 AM   
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Like nearly everyone still living, I don't remember the Great Depression but in reading this article it occurred to me that my generation (I'm in my 60's) is perhaps the last one who could see the influence that the Great Depression had on some people. By and large, was not a pretty picture.

I did not grow up in poverty, but my parents had known the hardships of the depression and the memory of those years was strong, particularly for my father. He never talked of it much, but he was so very careful about spending money it often seemed funny to me. It was not that in his later years he was particularly poor, it was that the Depression had left such an impression on him.

Spending money was always exceedingly painful for him. Whenever he finished eating an apple, the only thing left were the seeds. In going over his effects after he died, I found his wallet - probably the same one he had used for 30 or more years, the leather paper-thin and re-stitched by hand again and again to get a few more years of use from it.

A second and even Greater Depression is not at all a funny thing to contemplate, particularly for those of you just finishing school and with no resources to fall back on. Your concern should not be that of doing without television and a cell phone but instead about where your food, clothing and shelter will come from. Take a look at people now living on the streets to see what it might mean, even for someone with a newly earned bachelor's degree.

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» Responsibility Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Positive Effects Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» I have to quibble Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: I have to quibble Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: I have to quibble Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Yep, this country is too selfish. A too individualist society often ends up in failures such as this
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 13, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Try to get cooperation and sharing with one another involved and you get hissed and sneered at. No wonder

GOD IS SEVERELY PUNISHING THE USA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR BEING A NATION OF SELFISH ASSHOLES !!

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» Get a grip, max. Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» RE: Get a grip, max. Posted by: maxpayne
» There is no god, mad max... Posted by: Cathyc
Ironic Socialism
Posted by: benzene on Oct 13, 2008 6:35 AM   
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Can't help but see the glaring irony that, in the face of this economic collapse, the word "socialism" has suddenly become in vogue as a political insult. It's even funnier that the bailout itself was a form of economic socialism, invented to fix that which the Almighty Free Markets had wrought.

Socialist countries, e.g., Sweden, France, Germany, Cuba, are a whole lot better off in this international shock. I can't speak for their upper-crust (like a booger!) investment bankers, but I can confidently state that their citizens will be much better off if this keeps going than many people here. At least they'll continue to have free health care, housing, education, and access to food.

Having just graduated like the author, also under a pile of debt, I certainly understand his viewpoint. I'm happy just to be able to afford chicken breasts instead of butt meat. In my field, biotechnology, the only current high road to wealth remaining open is that of pharmaceutical development (let's cure Restless Leg Syndrome!). Those of us who actually like to do science are struggling to keep the research going in the face of less and less money to compete for. But that's a free market at work, right?

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» RE: Ironic Socialism Posted by: wolfgangmo
» RE: Ironic Socialism Posted by: richholland
» Beware that chicken meat! Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Ironic Socialism Posted by: richholland
use the 700 billion to pay off--
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 13, 2008 6:44 AM   
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all these student loans.

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» I SECOND THAT! Posted by: benzene
» RE: I SECOND THAT! Posted by: ellie
Amen
Posted by: Pinorrow on Oct 13, 2008 7:19 AM   
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Thanks for capturing my sentiments exactly.

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Why No Bailout for Student Loans?
Posted by: benzene on Oct 13, 2008 7:40 AM   
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The $700B bailout represents the worst of trickle-down economics. Gold doesn't run downwhill, however, shit does. The $700B bailout will allow the banking industry to put a Band-Aid over their superficial cut (it's all imaginary money anyway) and continue on as normal, thus not helping the normal people who really need it (sorry, but I don't really sympathize with the banker who can no longer afford a personal driver and $70 appetizers).

Why not use that $700B to buy out student debt. The institutions that made the loans would get their money now, thus giving them instant liquid capital and stabilizing them. The individuals whose loans get paid off would have their credit scores, disposable income, and health rise. These rises would in turn increase the ability of the individuals to buy more stuff, perhaps even invest through the very institutions that are foundering. This increase in disposable income increasing consumption would further stabilize the economy. Throw in a buy-out of bad mortgages, and then we have a happy society and a happier economy.

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THOSE WHO CALL FOR BOTTOM-FEEDER DEBT RELIEF AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION
Posted by: lexicon on Oct 13, 2008 8:31 AM   
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Here's the "411" on what it all means: YOUR debt is the engine of growth for the financial industry.

Eliminate YOUR debt, and you've eliminated THEIR money.

Here's a hint: I personally, purchased a parcel of land for CASH, some few years ago. In doing so, my debt burden went way down, and my CREDIT RATING went way down too. In fact, it tanked.

When you buy something on credit,(debt), you create money for the financial industry to play with, and they reward you by calling you a "preferred customer". When you CANCEL debt (as I did by "failing" to take out a mortgage on the land, instead of buying outright) you REMOVE money from their system.

Our economy used to be based on WEALTH. Now, it is based on MONEY. Those are two different things. Related, but different.

By rights, the financial industry (the trading and management of money) should be sized at about ((( GDP * interest rate) * 2) + "30 day transactions value"). This would result in a financial system that performs it's vital role, of providing for the clearing of value transactions between holders of wealth. In such a world where this equation were 'honored', the basis of the economy would be the transacting of, and conversion of, wealth.

Instead, the financial industry is many times that size...I've seen estimates that it's 40% of our GDP. what that means, is that instead of representing the movement of money to transact WEALTH, it is involved in the movement of MONEY to transact MORE MONEY.

See..."wealth" is tangible, physical stuff. It's "nouns". stuff you own or have. Trees on your land, minerals in the earth. The ability you have to work or create. The FUTURE ability you have to work or create. That's REAL WEALTH.

Money...money is not a "noun" thing...it's a "verb" thing. It's a FLOW. it's a transition of wealth between one state and the next. It DOESN'T REALLY EXIST. If you have 'wealth', you can say, "I have a CAR." If you have 'money', you would have to say, "I have a 50 miles-per-hour." The existence of MONEY happens when you put a unit of wealth "into play" in the economy.

...the problem is the movement of the economy away from "real" wealth, and toward "fake" wealth, or money.

Why does that matter? well, it's pretty simple. Even though money isn't "real", it DOES have some real characteristics. As a placeholder value for a wealth transaction, it represents the transactional value of that wealth transaction. If money itself becomes "worthless" (which is where we are headed), then the effect is, that the whole process of wealth transactions become "mis-calibrated", and mis-calibration means that arbitrage exists...and those who are positioned to take advantage of arbitrage (the very rich) will be able to consolidate and expand their holdings of real wealth (regardless of the value of the money), compared to those who are NOT in a position to arbitrage...who will lose ground.

In other words, the "financial bubble" will result inevitably in a wealth transfer up the chain. Happens in every depression.

High volatility in the value of money means real wealth will be stripped from the lower economic players, and conversely, high stability in the value of money results in the growth of real wealth in the lower economic tiers.

lexicon

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» You miss my point Posted by: benzene
» Wow... Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Wow... Posted by: lexicon
even more of us
Posted by: HoldmAccountable on Oct 13, 2008 8:49 AM   
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I'm in the top end of that age range - divorced when I was 40, after 16 years of marriage - with no retirement for my hard work. Supporting kids, even with a degree, in a lower paid job as an educator - I didn't get a pension unless I worked 14 years - by then I had to move to help elderly parents.
I'm depending upon social security - which these politicians say won't last - because THEY think it's more important to put our tax dollars into the MILITARY in stead of helping our citizens with education, health care and prosocial aspects that government should be spending tax on! Just look at the better position of people in countries where they DON'T spend the majority of their money on warfare!!
NEITHER CANDIDATE is talking about cutting the military budget - no, they're going to INCREASE IT!! We need a 2 party system again! (at least - we need the Green Party!)

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Leave a thought for the families
Posted by: MazdaMX5 on Oct 13, 2008 9:29 AM   
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I have been where this writer has been. I too was a student who shared house with people and even squatted. I owned nothing and left home at 14 due to a dysfunctional home life. But I studied a discourse which I knew would eventually give me a good income. I am now a successful accountant who has worked for every cent I own and I might add I am also a single mother. A hard working single mother who invested on the stockmarket. I too am down a fair bit, however, as I have not sold, nothing is lost. At the end of the day, only a fool invests more than they can afford to do without. Spare a thought for the struggling families. I know only too well the costs of bringing up children. Your food bill is tripple that of a single person, health costs are high...need I go on. My heart goes out to them (the struggling families) for doing the great job they are doing. I hope they havent lost the roof over their head. They are after all, bringing up our future.

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» Breeders are irresponsible, in a sense Posted by: inverse_agonist
Reality Check
Posted by: ozonekidd on Oct 13, 2008 9:32 AM   
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Perched atop my pile of Boomer wealth, a paid-up mortgage and low credit debt, I can still see the struggles of my son's generation, most of them unaware of how badly they have been cornered. Mr. Zaitchek has expressed what I've often viscerally known: student loans, credit cards and the ethos of conspicuous consumption have screwed this generation to the deck, and the ship just struck an iceberg.
My kid got lucky: a non-genius, he did not have the grades or an acceptable sport for a scholarship (he played soccer), but he got a job where his Dad worked, a Naval Shipyard. Federal blue-collar positions still exist, with a decent wage, a fair advancement structure and a health and pension package. Even with all this, he can't afford a home in the still-inflated Northwest market. If he had gone to college, he'd be swamped like the author of this eloquent piece. If he'd joined the military, he might be dead or wounded by now. The Shipyard has helper-to-journeyman programs, and a traditional Apprentice program. As two graduates, my son and I can attest to their efficacy for training a skilled workforce. When our government and our culture begin to sponsor the idea of educating skilled workers in the new energy and bio-tech jobs opening up, we might just turn the economy around. If we as a nation keep hawking useless degrees to bourgeois wannabes, we guarantee the failure of this decrepit system, and the concommitant destruction of the broad mass of American society.
There should be no stigma attached to, and no financial penalty for becoming a production worker. Most work requires skill, so I don't hold with the old AFL-defined dichotomy between "skilled" and "unskilled". The pay should be a living wage, with guaranteed health coverage for self, partner and children. A defined benefit pension allows workers to have peace of mind, and become highly productive. Employee rights in the workplace must be re-emphasized, which will allow for innovation in work scheduling and flexible leave time for pregnant or temporarily troubled employees. In short, we must replace the anti-worker policies of recent US Governments with those that will reward the populace for their patriotism and productivity. We have proven that we can abide by all environmental and safety regulations and remain competitive, putting out product (the US Fleet) on time and under-budget. The US workforce is as good as they are treated, but needs to be encouraged, protected and rewarded for its efforts. Instead of war production, let's turn this machine towards production for peace, and give our youth the opportunity to excel at saving the world, while also paying their way without loans and credit cards.

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Good article, and I agree completely
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 AM   
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Housing prices are crashing? Oh noes! Maybe I'll be able to afford to purchase a home before I'm 50. The median income for a man around these parts is $60,000 a year (most of those men at the median and higher range aren't under 30 years old). The average TOWN HOME was selling for $400,000 before the bubble burst. Do the math.

Equities prices are going down? Sounds like a buying opportunity to me. I've got $0 in the markets. No 401K, nothing.

Oil prices going down? Oh noes, maybe I'll be able to spent a smaller percentage of my monthly income on transportation costs.

Men with nothing to lose are the most dangerous sort. The Baby Boom generation, which has enjoyed the most prosperous and affluent life style that any generation of humans will ever experience (on average), has squandered America's wealth and rigged the system against young people so that their only choice is to service their elder's needs in their declining years (have you seen the job outlook for nurses in next 2-3 decades? Wow.).

Our entire economy has converted to a service sector one for the explicit purposes of servicing the needs of the Baby Boomers that have taken all of America's wealth and squandered it on themselves, driving their children and grand children into debt, poverty, and homelessness.

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devalued dollar
Posted by: fomented on Oct 13, 2008 10:13 AM   
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No one is uneffected if severe inflation hits from a devalued dollar. It's not just about investments. Free lance work can dry up and options for all will get much, much smaller.

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You/we are in the majority -----
Posted by: symcokid on Oct 13, 2008 10:13 AM   
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we have little or nothing to lose - you can work all of your life and never get ahead which is the way our government wants it to be. That way they can keep us in debt so that it can remain a self perpetuating government and we can pay forever. We own nothing, this government owns everything.

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Income South of $25,000....
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 13, 2008 10:22 AM   
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My income North of $50,000 allows me such luxuries as living with only 3 other people to make our $2,200 a month rent for our townhouse vs. the article writer's 6 other people in the loft.

Believe me, even those of us that majored in a "high paying" subject area and are out there making "good money for our age" ain't exactly living high on the hog.

This is how I know the system is fundamentally broken and due for some severe shocks. There is one number that cannot be artificially manipulated - population. There simply aren't enough qualified first time home buyers to prop housing prices up any longer. The baby boomers are retiring, selling, and moving to condos in Flordia/Arizona. Who is going to buy these homes if the college grad making $60,000 a year can't? The illegal immigrant family pulling down 30K?

And hence you see where the "liar loans" came into play. A temporary measure to keep the bubble from bursting - until it became obvious that the rich have already fucked all our money out of us. You can't get blood from a stone.

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Scarier are those completing their 'Bucket list'
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM   
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"Ignorance is Bliss' At least for the time being for those in their '20s & '30s.
What I find far more Disturbing are those who should be finishing up on their 'Bucket List'.
I actually had a women about 85 boast about having lived through One Depression so she was not too concerned abouta another One. Well Of course not s he may not live to see the reprocussions, or will be under the care of a younger adult.What a Sweetheart Ah? People like her make you wish the idiots had put social security on the Stock Market and privatized Medicare years ago!Luckily I was brought Up by mature adults who educated me in my Responsilbities as a torch Bearer. Not just to pass on something better than I had to the next genreation, but to Recieve the Torch from those who struggled and sacrificed Before Me.
Seems some of These Old Torch bearers are working to extinguish the Flame, Or Burn their Descendants with it.
So to the 20 & 30's crowd, enjoy it while you can, My generation will try to carry this burden as far as we can before we have no choice but saddle you with what remains.

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The author is right on...
Posted by: whathaway on Oct 13, 2008 11:53 AM   
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Though I am now in my early 40s, I know of what the author speaks. I spent my 20s and 30s eking out a living arduously working my and my family's way into to some semblance of the middle class.

The irony being that I was the first to get a masters degree in my family (actually the first to ever graduate from any form of college) with little to really show for it, while my father was fairly well ensconced in the lower middle class thanks to a good paying factory job. While he is decently retired in a house that he spent most of his adult life in (and has paid off), I and my wife rarely even consider the possibility of buying housing.

I and my wife are largely cash people (99% of our debt is in student loans and one car loan), we live in a formerly subsidized rental building (so the rents haven't actually caught up with the market yet), and we watch our meager little investments for retirement just melt away.

While my job is relatively stable, my wife's business relies largely providing services to the financial district types. And now business is SLOW.

We, with more than a little cynicism, mildly guffaw when we hear the candidates and pundits describe the economic crisis.

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Half the kids with college loans will NEVER break even
Posted by: billwald on Oct 13, 2008 12:19 PM   
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For the first year, half are only finishing high school in college. Half will never get a job in their chosen field. When most everyone has a 2 year "degree" then 2 years of college will be required to drive a garbage truck. The job title will be "recycle engineering."

The need in the real world is for people who can actually do something. Half the people in community college would be dollars ahead in a union apprentice program, electrician, plumber, aircraft welding . . . .

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Middle class
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 13, 2008 1:36 PM   
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I had to laugh, although in a rather "if things aren't funny they really suck" kind of way, when Sarah Palin called her family "middle class." With a net worth of $1.2 million or thereabouts, she is not among the middle class people I know.

The middle class families of my acquaintance are able to get by, but are often a paycheck or two away from poverty. They worry about their pensions and whether or not a serious illness will bankrupt them in spite of their (very expensive) health insurance.

I have a friend who works at Walmart whose wife had a job working with computers. She lost her job recently. They were in a panic because they are both in their early 50s in a tight job market. They "own" their very modest home, but owe money on it - funny how we say "own" when we are far from actually in full ownership.

My son and his wife live in Baltimore. When they first moved to the area, they both got work in D.C. Since they couldn't afford to live there, they bought a home on the other side of Baltimore, planning to get jobs closer to home. But unfortunately, they had to commute at least 1 1/2 hours each way for nearly a year and, if the traffic was bad, sometimes up to 3 hours one way, because after hundreds of resumes from each of them, they still could not find work. And they both were well qualified.

To add insult to injury, their department moved to Virginia which was about a 3 hour drive from them, but since they were not fired, they could not get unemployment insurance. They both worked for temp agencies for several months with no health insurance until one of them got a real full time job. After a couple of years, they both finally are working. And they really, really need those incomes to pay their bills.

The way I did it was to buy 60 acres of cheap land in West Virginia 27 years ago and live in my basement for 13 years because my ex-husband and I paid for building materials as we built. We did the entire home without any contractors except the basement excavation and basement block walls. I had no indoor toilet for 15 years and no central heat. I'm remarried, but my husband is an artist with very little added income - by agreement, he stayed home to complete the building and now takes care of the house and land, which is really a full time unpaid job.

Now, because I have a decent job - after 22 years, I still make under $50,000, but that's great pay in this area - I am quite comfortable, but I think I earned it in many ways. I will be able to retire at the age of 62. But it will be a struggle even without house payments because of health insurance costs. I am willing to make the sacrifice because I grow most of my food and am able to make a little extra money teaching art or in other innovative ways.

Now THAT is middle class. That's the middle class struggle people like Bush, McCain, Palin, and the other know-nothings with their 7-or-is-it-8 houses, are totally unaware of.

It's offensive to hear someone like Palin spouting off about being a "hockey mom" as if the rest of us, educated or not, who live on or near the East Coast or some other highfalutin' place, somehow don't get it from our elite perches in our ivory towers.

Even if we own a decent home, a car (often second hand, as mine is along with most of my friends), or a tiny retirement fund, the vast majority of Americans are not a true part of that ownership society Bush is so fond of promoting.

It's disgusting to witness the horrendous greed supported by the US government. Isn't it the "conservative" Republicans who used to cry "throwing money at the problem isn't the answer" when it came to education, health care, and other social issues?

Oh. Right. I forgot. The standards for really, really, really obscenely wealthy people are quite different from those for everyone else. Sorry.

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» RE: Middle class Posted by: cef
Great item
Posted by: kingharvest on Oct 13, 2008 2:01 PM   
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Funny and well-written. The author deserves more than $25,000 a year. Seriously, I am in my mid-50s and, much like the author, watching the "meltdown" from the sidelines. I know, I know, the stock market is our stock market and trickle down is the way to go, but if you don't really benefit from the good times, you don't really suffer in the bad times. We hope. Most of us don't deserve to suffer any more than we already have. The rich, hell, they'll line their pockets with the $700 billion and ride out the storm anyway.

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A Disgrace to Liberal Arts Degrees
Posted by: Gitaiba on Oct 13, 2008 4:55 PM   
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How damn ignorant of the way the economy works are you? You're not looking at a lower standard of living. You're looking at homelessness. A freelance writer? There ain't a whole lot of call for those in a smoldering economy. Toss in the massive inflation that's likely to occur, and you won't see your housing costs decline, but increase along with your food and utility bills. Throw in the horrific social consequences of economic despondency, and it's not unlikely you're going to get stabbed for a piece of bread or your comfy cardboard box.

My God, a liberal arts degree is the greatest thing in the world because you're supposed to learn critical thinking skills. My time at UW-Seattle opened the world to me and allowed me look beyond the surface. If you would apply the skills you were supposed to learn, you might find out that we're all interconnected, that this is deeper than the assholes at Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual who are reaping what they've sown, and see that this affects all of us. Based on your attitude and apparent inability to do anything beyond penning ignorant cliches, I have a feeling there will be a lot more qualified people ahead of you in the job lines that will crisscross America.

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» Ridiculous Posted by: andabottleof_rum
Sentiment of the young
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 13, 2008 5:59 PM   
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And, the writer is probably correct. He will live long enough to recover from whatever far-removed financial impact this crisis might have on his life. Likely the effects will be indirect, so he will feel that he's escaped it. I remember the S&L collapse of the early 1990s. It caused a great deal of panic at the time, and tens of thousands of people were severely and irreparably damaged financially. I watched as an impartial outsider. I had no money except that which flowed through my bank from my job to my mortgage payment, groceries, gas, and the cost of raising children. I did not feel the financial crisis impacted me, although I'm sure it did in the slow economic times that made it hard to make a living month in and month out. Now that I approach retirement, today's financial troubles will have a direct bearing on many of the plans I'd made for income sources in retirement. It will affect the eventual sale of the family home, where most of our "wealth" has been sequestered with the hope that it would help fund those fabled golden years. It's all about luck and timing.

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I couldn't have said it better myself
Posted by: smiler7700 on Oct 13, 2008 6:32 PM   
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Mr. Zaitchik, Thank you for your honesty. I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel exactly as you do, and I'm just beyond my 30s (I'm 40). It's nice to read an article like yours. And I like how you acknowledge that, of course, this crisis does affect us, but....I just really enjoyed your honesty. Not many people speak/write like you, and I feel better knowing that I am not alone in this thinking. Thank you. And by the way, those people can also send a few thousand over my way, too, to help me pay down my student loans, too!

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it'll be your meltdown...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Oct 13, 2008 7:08 PM   
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when you lose your job and can't find another...

though i agree with you and the poster just above (i'm 40+) and don't have much of anything to lose (other than life insurance i bought 15 years ago)...but i've been out of work since graduating with my master's degree in 2007...

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Alexander, you're...
Posted by: jzelensk on Oct 13, 2008 7:29 PM   
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the Man! Yours is a message that oh, too few Americans are hearing.

Why does America ignore (to be charitable) such bright minds as his in favor of palin-airheads?

It never ceases to amaze.

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Your degree was 'useless'??
Posted by: gellero1 on Oct 13, 2008 8:23 PM   
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So how exactly did you get the ability to write this piece? Reading comic books?

Or did you think your university was a trade school???

Genius........Your education was so could at least hold an intelligent conversation with the likes of us, and not be looked down upon as an uneducated windbag ! Congratulations

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» That's 'so you could'...LOL Posted by: gellero1
Great read!
Posted by: Ghoulman on Oct 13, 2008 8:50 PM   
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... thanx Alexander Zaitchik. Know how ya feel. ;)

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young man Go West
Posted by: richholland on Oct 13, 2008 9:10 PM   
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Here in Chiangmai are young american people teaching English.

In amsterdam young american boys paint and repair houses. (minimum wages US$ 12,)

please switch of the TV for an hour and google to obtain information.

Asume thousands of nurses would leave USA, who would keep all the old billionaires alive???

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The meek stand tall amongst the wicked
Posted by: Hachino on Oct 13, 2008 11:21 PM   
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I'm 40 plus, with much the same story only a little longer living it. We are the thin, scrappy and strong who will do well as the bloated corpse of crony capitalism rots all around us. Take heart in your training and carry the lessons of modesty and integrity it has given you like a lantern. Shine it's brightness into the hearts of the millions who will soon need our help to navigate through the wake of destruction which will follow the collapse of our hollow civilization's empty ways. We the meek are about to inherit our reward, and those who have troubled our house, the wind.

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I Have NOTHING to Lose Either
Posted by: Poet4Peace on Oct 14, 2008 10:26 AM   
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The comment that people like us in our 20s and 30s without assets like a home, a 401K and the like are basically screwed for life offends me and is a definite display of naivete in the current America.

I have a Bachelors degree and a Masters degree, and therefore have student loans I have to defer payment toward because after 7 years of undergrad and grad studies, the job that took me a year to find after my graduate degree pays very very modestly. I am doing about 2 jobs for the modest pay of one and I think this is the case for many in their 20s and 30s. It is naive and frankly ignorant to assume that if one does not possess the fruits of what the "American dream" mentality tells us too ... the car, the house, the career that coasts you into a retirement, you have somehow failed. Everyone wants a stable life in all ways, but what many realize this seemingly simple life goal is hard to come by.

I am striving to move into a better career and have been for the 5+ years I have been in my current job. Sure, like anyone, there are some 20 and 30-somethings who function on apathy and therefore are in this situation. But ... it is by no means the case for all of us.

Crazy me! I was going on the American Dream of "education = career = a stable financial future".

I agree completely that this is a discussion being avoided in the midst of this financial temper tantrum, a direct biproduct of greed. The greed that has ruined the true American Dream.

Here's to the American Dream finally returning to all of us ...

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Cheers!
Posted by: WizardofOhm on Oct 16, 2008 8:44 PM   
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I don't think anybody could have resinated with my sentiments more effictively!
I am only 23 and the most impact I have seen from this crisis is in the lifes of my parents (who fortunately are in a position to weather this storm) The only way I differ from the author is in that I don't have any mounting debt. I have not attended college (but don't dare call me uneducated) so my nonexistant assists are pretty stable right now.

While I, by default, work a low end, low income job, I believe it is pretty stable (in fact I just got a raise to a whopping 11 dollars an hour!) I have responsibly maintained a very low monthly overhead and live WELL within my means. As do the majority of my peers (despite those damned student loans) So to all those who posted above about my generation's irresponsibility and naivity...well, I will refrain from profanity. All I will say is I am sorry that your unfortunate situation has made you resort to anomosity towards the undeserving. Please don't forget that the one's who deserve your angry sentiments are those on wall street, on capital hill, and to some degree (some more so than others, obviously) yourselves.

To those you condescendingly ask what we, the youth, will do when we lose our shitty dead end jobs- well, we will have a hell of a lot more oppertunity in a depression economy than you will since labor will be the driving force in ressurecting our economy. My young and able body will be much more valuable than your aging egos. So when purplegirl said "My generation will try to carry this burden as far as we can before we have no choice but saddle you with what remains." I say to you that your generation has already dropped the ball, get over yourselves and pass us the reigns already.

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» oh yeah Posted by: WizardofOhm
maybe more people need to get into the spirit
Posted by: bejane08 on Oct 17, 2008 9:38 PM   
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http://www.bejane.com/node/2857

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