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Obama vs. McCain: Progressive Voter Guide to the Economy

AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2008.


From the housing crisis to the minimum wage, a look at where the candidates stand on nine important economic issues.
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A Gallup poll released this week showed that a majority of Americans -- 53 percent -- are angry about the financial crisis. And 41 percent are afraid. The system, Americans believe, has failed them.

It only takes a glance at the morning news -- or a look at rising food and gas prices -- to see that these fears and frustrations are not without good reason. Every day, more and more people lose their homes and their health care and see their retirement funds erode. Or rather, they watch as these things get taken from them.

It's infuriating to watch and painful to experience, and it's understandable to be mad as hell. It's OK because when a large enough number of people get angry enough, that's when things start to change.

So, our question to you is, Are you mad enough yet? Because this crisis is about all of us. Are you sure your 401K is secure? Do you know how many of your tax dollars are being spent in Iraq -- a country that's sitting on an $80 billion surplus? Have you considered how you'll pay for your health care if Medicare goes broke?

The answers to these questions aren't pretty. Fortunately, Nov. 4 gives us a chance to change things.

But first we have to know where the candidates stand on the issues that matter the most, like the economy, the environment, health care, immigration and reproductive justice. It's no small task to get reliable information on anything, let alone politics, in an age of campaign attack ads, media bias and outright corruption. That's why AlterNet has put together some handy election guides to help you learn what you need to know about Barack Obama and John McCain before you make a trip to the ballot box. The guides aren't meant to be exhaustive, but they do cover a lot of ground. For the next two weeks, we'll be rolling out an election guide each day, starting today, with the economy.

We hope they're helpful, and we want to hear what you think. Let us know in the comment boards or by e-mailing us at feedback@alternet.org. -- The Editors

Election Guide to the Economy

The country is in a unique moment in its economic history, facing a deep, structural energy crisis, stagnant wages for most, and spiraling costs for health care, education and food.

The housing market isn't expected to hit bottom until the middle of next year, and the fallout from the housing crash now threatens the global economy -- so much so that on Sept. 20, the Bush administration proposed an unprecedented bailout of many of the biggest players on Wall Street, which came on the heels of the government's multibillion-dollar rescues of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and AIG.

There's now a consensus among economists that we have entered a recession. It marks the first time in the post-war era that the country has entered into a downturn before median family incomes had fully recovered from the previous recession. Over the past business cycle, poverty increased by more than 10 percent, and the number of people with employer-based health care dropped by about 8 percent.

The past year has been especially painful for America's working majority. In August, companies' payrolls shrank for the eighth consecutive month, resulting in a five-year high in unemployment.

Whoever ends up occupying the White House in January 2009 will be faced with the epic task of restoring Americans' sense of economic security. What will the next president do about energy? About the mortgage meltdown? What kind of trade policies will he put into place?

Read below for the answers. We've compiled these brief issue overviews to help you make an informed choice in November.

1. SPIRALING INEQUALITY AND ASSAULTS ON UNIONS

The past three decades have produced a historic concentration in American wealth. Economists estimate that 80 percent of the country's inflation-adjusted income growth since Ronald Reagan was elected has gone to the top 1 percent of the income ladder, and the incomes of all but the top 10 percent have actually declined since 1973.

A large body of data across different countries finds a strong correlation between the portion of the work force that's organized into "collective bargaining units" -- unions -- and wage inequality, and that's true in the United States, where the decline in unionization since the 1970s has corresponded with a dramatic increase in inequality.

Slightly less than 10 percent of the private sector work force is organized, but, according to the American Dream Survey (PDF) -- a study of non-managerial wage earners who make up about 80 percent of the working population -- "most American workers believe joining a union can help them achieve the American Dream," and 59 percent would be inclined to join a union if they were protected from retaliation from employers.


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Don't forget positions on rushing $700+ billion unwise debt assumption.
Posted by: aouie01 on Oct 9, 2008 12:15 AM   
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Both John McCain and Barack Obama were for rushing the $700+ billion Emergency Economic Recovery Act that is more likely to be most useful to the rich people to benefit from it, than most of the other people who are going to pay the trillion plus dollars to repay that debt.
Sincerely,
Aouie

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None of the Above ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 9, 2008 12:59 AM   
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Sure Obama beats the hell out of McCain but Obama's positions are largely Not progressive positions ... This is just the validation of the duopoly government that has ruined this country.

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Americans have three choices on November 4th.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 9, 2008 1:35 AM   
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1. Vote for McCain and help guarantee getting fucked if he wins.

2. Vote for Obama and hope you won't get fucked.

3. Don't care if you get fucked by voting for somone else or not voting at all.

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McBush
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 9, 2008 5:32 AM   
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I find it very hard to believe that anyone with an inkling of common sense would be taking McBush/failin seriously. Pretty much everything out of McBushes mouth lately is either made up as he goes along or is just an outright LIE. How can anyone trust a man whose word obviously means NOTHING?

Jiff
Is your ISP Spying on you?

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» RE: McBush Posted by: donl51
» RE: McBush Posted by: nochicagoboys
Forgive debt
Posted by: EJW on Oct 9, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Across the board for US citizens and companies, forgive all debt. Doesn't take money to do and will free up lots of money in our local economies --- seems like a win/win to me.

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» RE: Forgive debt Posted by: nochicagoboys
» I have.... Posted by: EJW
» RE: I have.... Posted by: nochicagoboys
Debt
Posted by: EJW on Oct 9, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Why not just forgive all the debt for US citizens and start over. It doesn't cost anything and would free up huge amounts of money for our local economies.

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The Other Half of the Glass
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Oct 9, 2008 7:04 AM   
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The system is working like a Swiss watch for the Bush administration, the bankers and the rich.

Progressives need to stop wringing their hands, pissing and moaning and flagellating themselves and get ready to mount the ramparts.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Machines Will Steal Election for McCain-Positions Are Irrelevant
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 9, 2008 7:18 AM   
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Cyber Security Expert: Hackers Planning To Steal Election For McCain

Spoonamore says electronic voting machines represent national security threat, Israel, China and Russia have capability to rig presidential outcome

Paul Joseph Watson
[1] Prison Planet
Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Stephen Spoonamore warns in a new interview that electronic voting machines represent a national security threat and that hackers are already planning to steal the 2008 presidential election for John McCain.

Spoonamore is a GOP member and a lifelong Republican, having worked on election campaigns with Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg. He also has 20 years worth of experience in encrypted and networked communications systems for banks, TV, telecommunications, EMS, Military and other uses.

In an ten part You Tube interview, Spoonamore warns that hackers are planning to steal the election on behalf of the McCain camp and even predicts the margin of victory, that McCain will make a “shocking recovery” and win 51.2 percent of the vote with three electoral votes over Obama.

“This is a national security threat,” said Spoonamore, “it is very possible for a foreign government to begin manipulating that transmission of code just as they attempt to do fairly often with our financial data….we deal with it every day on the commercial side,” he added, noting that China, and not the American people, has a greater chance of choosing the next U.S. president.
Watch his videos on www.911insidejob.net

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The Age of Positivity and Community is coming!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 AM   
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Your help is needed. If you're ready for change, please share this video with all of your family and friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0



Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.

Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34

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If you want Progressive, VOTE NADER OR MCKINNEY, GOD DAMN IT !!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 AM   
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Anyone who still thinks that Obama/Biden are even remotely progressive is a fucking blind fool and ought to be smacked ! Sorry to sound a bit too rough but I am sick and tired of people lecturing others that if you want progressive, only Democrats will deliver. There are true progressives that just happen to be outside the two party duopoly god damn it !

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» What if... Posted by: pdxjoe
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» Choose To Enact Change? Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: Choose To Enact Change? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: What if... Posted by: lenioui
John McCain's TERRORISTS in Arizona
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 9, 2008 7:45 AM   
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John McCain's supports Arizona's Taliban because they all vote Republican.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

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It's Just More of the Same
Posted by: websmith on Oct 9, 2008 9:46 AM   
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It's hard to imagine that we will be able to borrow all of the money that these guys want to spend, let alone have the dollar be worth a penny if we do.

Both of these guys are offering major tax cuts. Tax cuts cost money and neither one of them has said how they're going to pay for them. Obama's tax increases on people making over $250K per year is not going to do it. This will lead to more borrowing and an increase in the national debt that will soon be $11 trillion, which will lead to inflation, which means we will all pay for the tax cuts. It doesn't matter if the tax cuts are for business or Citizens. We will pay.

This is business as usual at a time when our economy is collapsing. "Look", "my friends", this is total madness.

It's past time to stop doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time.

http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html

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Does any of that really matter?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 9, 2008 10:35 AM   
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We all know what their REAL economic positions are:

Give $700,000,000,000 of our borrowed money to the same banksters that broke the economy, just so they won't pull the trigger, which they pulled anyway.

Add to that another $150,000,000,00 in pork and Republican tax giveaways, to bribe protesting Republicans, and a few progressive Dems, into voting for it.

THAT'S their real economic policy, both the same. In fact, the Democrats bought the plan wholesale, made it their own, and then pushed it through over the dead bodies of protesting Republicans. Bush never got such service from his own.

Obama & Biden both voted for it, no surprise by now; Obama worked the phones persuading reluctant Dems to vote for it. He owns it now; that's the Obama economic plan: pure, outrageous, unprecedented graft.

The Democratic Party, and their nominees, just took the Progressive Democrat "strategy" out in the alley and shot it in the head. If we don't get the message after that performance, we need neurosurgery. Something isn't connected.

HOW MANY BETRAYALS DOES IT TAKE?

If you'd like to see a real, progressive economic proposal, check out Cynthia McKinney's at http://votetruth08.com/.

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There's an elephant in the room.
Posted by: Gary Kleppe on Oct 9, 2008 10:40 AM   
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Health care is key to the economy. You mention it in your preamble but don't list it as an issue. Going to a single-payer system would solve the number one cause of bankruptcy in the country.

The Iraq and Afghanistan problem is sort of another elephant. You say we should "rein in spending" on them, but don't suggest the obvious way of doing that, which is to get out of both countries, forthwith and all, preferably then putting the people responsible for getting us into them on trial for war crimes.

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Reaganomics
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 9, 2008 10:38 AM   
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The source of our problem can be traced back to Reaganomics . His destruction of Unions and his reducing the Top Marginal rate from 70 to 50 percent As well as his deregulation . I believe he eventually cut it 28% . During WWII and I believe in the Eisenhower Administration the top rate was 91%
This has created an inquality unmatched since the Robber Barons Era . They wealthy decided that rather than Invest in traditional Manufacturing activities they would instead invest in Financial Services as the returns were greater . The problem compounded as in effort to attract more Capital those in Financial Services Industry created ever more exoctic instruments that lacked any intrinsic

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» How they got started. Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: eaganomics Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
Neither of these two candidates is progressive.
Posted by: lindat on Oct 9, 2008 10:43 AM   
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They're just two corporate-owned, AIPAC-led patsys there to serve the establishment.

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Mad as Hell!!!!!!
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 9, 2008 10:51 AM   
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Yes, I am mad as hell! Just electing Sen. Obama to be President is just a start! Instead of listening to those that are promoting the fear, lies, and still don't have a clue/plan eg. McShame/Failin, maybe you can work your way past it and vote for Sen. Obama! No, I am not naive, what I understand is that it is going to take the collective will of all Americans! It will mean that we the people will have to roll up our collective sleeves - write your elected officials and hold their collective feet to the fire, it will mean that we all have to pay closer attention to the issues! It will mean a shared sacrifice by all Americans, not just the 80% that may just be getting by!

Yes, you are your brothers/sisters keeper, and while you may have issues with: the conservative/ fat/ skinny/ liberal/ gay/ straight/ rich/ poor/homeless/ Asian/ Muslim/ Christian/ Hindi/ handicapped/ non English speaking/ redneck/ progressive/ illiterate/ middle class/ Hebrew/ cigarette smoking/ alcoholic/ drug addicted/ ex-con/ environmentalist/ abortion providing/ hippie - we are all in this experiment in a democratic republic together! We will either sink or swim together, so get over yourselves already, and let us get to work!

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» RE: Mad as Hell!!!!!! Posted by: Maxemum
Question
Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 9, 2008 1:41 PM   
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Is this the ultimate "economic hit" (read the book 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman'), and if so, then also a first IMF/World Bank move to further monetary centralization on a global scale as envisagned by some -- Illuminati style?

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» RE: Question Posted by: nochicagoboys
One Question
Posted by: Coa on Oct 9, 2008 1:58 PM   
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I only have one question: why didn’t this article factor in the cost of war? It seems obvious that this high priced item is affecting the economy. We have a huge money pit; almost 15 billion dollars per month goes to war with no end in sight. Should I mention the number of people, who have been killed, on all sides? As this article clearly points out: our economy is in trouble, ignoring the war and billions of dollars and its effect on the economy seems short sighted. Is the war the elephant in the room?

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» RE: One Question Posted by: Coa
Game over for sovereignty
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 9, 2008 2:36 PM   
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How do you bring about true globalism and one world government without fighting WW3?

Well, you create a global economic system upon which everyone is dependent for survival, then you crash the system and nationalize all the banks.

Welcome to 2008.

All major banks are being "nationalized", i.e. direct government control of the global economic system.

Is this the "New World Order" mentioned by Bush #1? Concerted efforts by international banks around the world. The take over of all failed banks. Take overs by whom? You can rest assured the central bankers aren't being "taken over."

The Central Banks are making another power grab and bringing about the next stage towards true, totalitarian, one world government under their corporatist/fascist system.

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» RE: Game over for sovereignty Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: Game over for sovereignty Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
You call this a progressive voter guide?
Posted by: holypigeon on Oct 9, 2008 3:14 PM   
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Where is the discussion about third party candidates? Shame on you AlterNet for doing as the rest of the media does! If you're gonna label anything progressive, you'd better paste the faces of McKinney/Clemente or Nader/Gonzalez all over it. This "guide" is a joke.

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Nader
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Oct 9, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Nader Nader Nader.

What was telling about the debate was not what was discussed, but what was left out. They both want to drill baby drill, without even any lip service to the environment, marine life, mercury in fish. Both want "clean coal" technology and nuclear power (yikes). Both allowed social security to be couched in the neo-CON term "entitlement", and even then neither one really said anything about it. When asked to prioritize energy, the economy and social security, Obama said "energy, the economy and education". Nice dodge Ho bama! Then there was the weird "fine" for people who don't buy insurance (stolen from Hillary, and when he disagreed with her on that point during one of the primaries debates, the crowd cheered, yet he went on, in politician fashion, to steal the idea, which makes me think it's something that insurance lobbyists want). Both want to spend tons more taxpayer money, just in different ways.

I'd urge anyone to go to votenader.org and see what's really possible, if only we all believe and act together.

Nader Nader Nader Nader Nader Nader

It could have been Cynthia McKinney, but as Nader complains, the Green party isn't organized enough, and she won't be on enough states' ballots.

Love and kisses.

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» RE: Nader or Ron Paul Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: Nader or Ron Paul Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Yes, I'm angry ...
Posted by: Daniel35 on Oct 9, 2008 8:28 PM   
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First of all because the wrong issues were put forth here. They don't include the two crises we seem to have forgotten about, the one involving the whole biosphere, 'global heating', and the one that's probably too little and too late to save us from that, peak oil, which we're seeing as high fuel prices, no doubt a factor we've ignored in the collapse.

And more immediately, I'm angry because these crises and this latest collapse, like many in human history, were because of excessive greed and lack of foresight (and besides, most of the solutions given are insufficient, or just wrong).

I see myself as a "Gaian", meaning my first priority is to the larger community, ultimately Gaia, the Earth's biosphere, on which we're all dependent. Secondly to humanity as the most important species, whether as Gaia's brain, or cancer. I'd like to say my third priority is to country, but these days I'd have to specify which aspect of it. And so on down through various levels of community to me as an individual. I tend to judge various aspects of society by these values.

I'm not "afraid" of the economic crisis, because I've been preparing for it for about 40 years, while at the same time preaching about it. I'm not preparing by gathering money, but gathering survival skills (free lance handyman skills for instance), attitudes, independence from the American economic system as well as class system. More recently I'm also gathering things I might not be able to buy a few years from now. But I'm very afraid of the environmental crisis.

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» RE: Yes, I'm angry ... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Sarcastic Posted by: pdxjoe
RE: Progressive Voter Guide to the Economy
Posted by: payday_loan_advocate on Oct 15, 2008 12:50 AM   
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One of the most watched events in recent television programming was the presidential debate, “town hall” style. Like many other Americans, I tuned in to watch despite my disillusionment with American government over the last couple of decades. I watched it without many expectations, knowing that no matter how direct a question was asked, the responses would be somewhat non-committal, and sound bite ready. The major news journals in the United States were certainly taking notes, as the New York Times depicted the debate as “90 minutes of forced cordiality” and the Boston Globe stated that it was “mercifully free” from the personal attacks I was beginning to get used to and tired of. It certainly was full of tension and made for good T.V., to say the least. McCain continues to pursue policies nearly identical to George W. Bush despite his “maverick” status, such as off shore drilling and staying the course in Iraq. (The irony is astounding: what makes him a maverick is that he wants to do the same things as one of the most unpopular presidents in living memory. The BIG joke is that he is rebelling against the American public.) Obama relied heavily on criticizing the Republican Party, stating that they were the ones that created this mess and he’s going to get us out of it. If we had to go by what they actually said, there’s no telling just which one is the best for getting our economy out of these turbulent times. Obama’s position on “predatory lending” is not a good solution – it’s sure to lead to more unemployment - is more a declaration of intent to appease the banking industry.

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Financial Terrorists
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Oct 19, 2008 8:32 PM   
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