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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Here's a Better Bailout Plan

By Joseph Stiglitz, TheNation.com. Posted October 1, 2008.


There are four fundamental problems with our financial system. The Paulson plan addresses only one.
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The champagne bottle corks were popping as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson announced his trillion-dollar bailout for the banks, buying up their toxic mortgages. To a skeptic, Paulson's proposal looks like another of those shell games that Wall Street has honed to a fine art. Wall Street has always made money by slicing, dicing and recombining risk. This "cure" is another one of these rearrangements: somehow, by stripping out the bad assets from the banks and paying fair market value for them, the value of the banks will soar.

There is, however, an alternative explanation for Wall Street's celebration: the banks realized that they were about to get a free ride at taxpayers' expense. No private firm was willing to buy these toxic mortgages at what the seller thought was a reasonable price; they finally had found a sucker who would take them off their hands -- called the American taxpayer.

The administration attempts to assure us that they will protect the American people by insisting on buying the mortgages at the lowest price at auction. Evidently, Paulson didn't learn the lessons of the information asymmetry that played such a large role in getting us into this mess. The banks will pass on their lousiest mortgages. Paulson may try to assure us that we will hire the best and brightest of Wall Street to make sure that this doesn't happen. (Wall Street firms are already licking their lips at the prospect of a new source of revenues: fees from the US Treasury.) But even Wall Street's best and brightest do not exactly have a credible record in asset valuation; if they had done better, we wouldn't be where we are. And that assumes that they are really working for the American people, not their long-term employers in financial markets. Even if they do use some fancy mathematical model to value different mortgages, those in Wall Street have long made money by gaming against these models. We will then wind up not with the absolutely lousiest mortgages, but with those in which Treasury's models most underpriced risk. Either way, we the taxpayers lose, and Wall Street gains.

And for what? In the S&L bailout, taxpayers were already on the hook, with their deposit guarantee. Part of the question then was how to minimize taxpayers' exposure. But not so this time. The objective of the bailout should not be to protect the banks' shareholders, or even their creditors, who facilitated this bad lending. The objective should be to maintain the flow of credit, especially to mortgages. But wasn't that what the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bailout was supposed to assure us?

There are four fundamental problems with our financial system, and the Paulson proposal addresses only one. The first is that the financial institutions have all these toxic products -- which they created -- and since no one trusts anyone about their value, no one is willing to lend to anyone else. The Paulson approach solves this by passing the risk to us, the taxpayer -- and for no return. The second problem is that there is a big and increasing hole in bank balance sheets -- banks lent money to people beyond their ability to repay -- and no financial alchemy will fix that. If, as Paulson claims, banks get paid fairly for their lousy mortgages and the complex products in which they are embedded, the hole in their balance sheet will remain. What is needed is a transparent equity injection, not the non-transparent ruse that the administration is proposing.

The third problem is that our economy has been supercharged by a housing bubble which has now burst. The best experts believe that prices still have a way to fall before the return to normal, and that means there will be more foreclosures. No amount of talking up the market is going to change that. The hidden agenda here may be taking large amounts of real estate off the market -- and letting it deteriorate at taxpayers' expense.

The fourth problem is a lack of trust, a credibility gap. Regrettably, the way the entire financial crisis has been handled has only made that gap larger.

Paulson and others in Wall Street are claiming that the bailout is necessary and that we are in deep trouble. Not long ago, they were telling us that we had turned a corner. The administration even turned down an effective stimulus package last February -- one that would have included increased unemployment benefits and aid to states and localities -- and they still say we don't need another stimulus. To be frank, the administration has a credibility and trust gap as big as that of Wall Street. If the crisis was as severe as they claim, why didn't they propose a more credible plan? With lack of oversight and transparency the cause of the current problem, how could they make a proposal so short in both? If a quick consensus is required, why not include provisions to stop the source of bleeding, to aid the millions of Americans that are losing their homes? Why not spend as much on them as on Wall Street? Do they still believe in trickle-down economics, when for the past eight years money has been trickling up to the wizards of Wall Street? Why not enact bankruptcy reform, to help Americans write down the value of the mortgage on their overvalued home? No one benefits from these costly foreclosures.


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Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel laureate, is a professor of economics at Columbia University.


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Stiglitz Plan a Litttle Skimpy ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 1, 2008 12:47 AM   
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His analysis of the problems is of course excellent. His solution needs to be fleshed out.

Due to the Bum's Rush otherwise known as the Shock Doctrine of Disaster Capitalism being executed by Paulson, Bush, and the Wall Street Bankers on the the Media, Congress and the American population I recommend "The “No BAILOUTS Act” put forward in the House ...

The No Bailouts Act :

"We can do better," says DeFazio. "We should start again on a new package."

That's exactly what the Oregon populist is doing with a new proposal, the "No BAILOUTS Act" (Bringing Accountability, Increased Liquidity, Oversight, and Upholding Taxpayer Security). Introduced Tuesday with co-sponsorship from some of the most outspoken critics of the Paulson machinations – including Ohio Democrat Marcy Kaptur, a leader of the anti-bailout movement in Congress – the measure would impose a securities tax equivalent to one quarter of one percent of profits and empower the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to deal more effectively with bank failures.

The plan is based on a proposal made last week by former FDIC chair William Isaac, who recalled that in the 1980s Congress enacted a "net worth certificate" program – which allowed the federal agency to shore up the capital of weak banks to give them more time to resolve their problems – and the FDIC resolved a $100 billion insolvency in savings banks for a total cost of less than $2 billion.

"It was a big success and could work in the current climate," argued Isaac. "

The No Bailouts Act

Call Congress and recommend it ...

Zip Code Link to your representatives

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» "WHAT I WANT" Posted by: pearce
» RE: "WHAT I WANT" Posted by: Von
Glass-Steagall Act
Posted by: ozonehole on Oct 1, 2008 3:53 AM   
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The article is decent, but the author should have mentioned the Glass-Steagall Act, which was repealed in 1999 with the full support of Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and chief ogre Phil Gramm, along with the whole Republican congress. This set the stage for our current disaster.

The 1933 Glass-Steagall Act separated commercial banks from investment banks. It made banking boring again, and worked beautifully for 66 years. After it's repeal, boring old commercial banks such as Citibank and Wachovia became Wall Street gambling casinos, with disastrous results. At this moment, we should be separating commercial and investment banking - instead, we're seeing the opposite as commercial banks are being encouraged by the government to merge with insolvent investment banks.

How can Bernanke and Paulson get it so wrong?

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» Are we sure they got it wrong? Posted by: photon's feather
What about the Federal Reserve Bank Scam?
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 1, 2008 4:12 AM   
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why is it that no one other than Ron Paul has the nerve to say that the Federal Reserve Bank is the problem. Maybe because when John F. Kennedy passed an executive order empowering the federal government to print money based on a silver standard, he was dead in six months. Of course, he had other enemies like the CIA.


I have many videos on a current economic meltdown and the complicity of the White House and Congress in this unprecedented financial fraud perpetrated on the people of this country. There is a very informative video on why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated on the homepage of my website. please go to my website which is www.911inside job.net

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» I can name and document scams Posted by: ReallyBearish
Condition Red
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Oct 1, 2008 4:21 AM   
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CONTACT YOUR SENATOR:

http://www.senate.gov/
general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» Direct Democracy??? Posted by: gellero1
Always outside the loop
Posted by: talkville on Oct 1, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Excellent article! As usual, the most cogent and illuminating analyses and takes on an existing situation in our realm of political-economy seem to happen in the external environment, therefore rendered innefectual, neutralized and serviceable only for the future or the past, never for the here-and-now. As Mr Stiglitz indicates, no matter what the actually-existing outcome of this Arm-Twist is, we will be the ones who Own the Risk(s); they will be the ones who Own the Benefit(s). Count on it.

All's I gotta say about these last 40 years or so is: "Thanks, Mr Mugger, for your 'friendly', 'civil' and oh, so refined manner of mugging. I only wish that watch you took was of a finer make than that Timex; that that wallet you took had had so much more money in it than I was able to provide! And now, Mr Mugger, thanks ever so much for being the very one that's gonna save me and make me feel alright! If only all of us slaves of fortune had masters as benevolent and good as you!"

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Skimmed over 2 Points
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 1, 2008 5:12 AM   
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First in reference to the first S&L Scandal...The Current Republican Presidential Nominees first 'Get out of Jail Free' Card.
I do not need to have bread crumbs laid before me to KNOW this Economic Meltdown leads Right to McCains Door...Just need to look over his Right Shoulder,and theres Phil Gramm, and Over his Left is Rick Davis.Let's not waste Our time Or Money on a Trial- Just Prosecute THEM!
Second Interesting Point You made but failed to follow to it's logical conclusions was in regardss to a national reserve for such Calamities.It is easy to misunderstand the term 'Federal Reserve' ,since it was intended to do just that- They Are not 'Federal' Nor ar they a 'Reserve' for US.The First 'For Profit' Private Contractor to ever be allowed to Fleece the American People - the Granddaddy of them ALL the Profiteers Sucking the American Teat Dry!
We must immediately FIRE THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!They have NOT lived up to their Contractual obligations..Were allowed to form this Banking Comglomerate under the Guise of assuring another Depression would never befall this country..Unfortunately What they Meant is that Bankers would never Suffer from another Depression- because The Federal Reserve would Pose as Gov't Agency and Highjack the American People to Save themselves, Instead.
So instead of POOR BANKERS Jumping out their Windows again- it would only be the Average Citizen Who would be Pushed off the Roof! Since the inception of this Organized Crime Syndicate, the US Treasury has been nothing more than a Whore Working the Streets for this Pimp! Paulson is an employee of the Banking firm called the 'Federal Reserve', funny how Our True Federal Angency now plays lap dog to the Private Contractor! Just like the EPA & Dept of the Interior work for Big Oil.
Lets Stop the Tail from Wagging the Dog- Fire the Federal Reserve,(and nationalize All forms of Energy) and have the Balls to Convict Sen Benedict McCain and his cronies for the High Crime of TREASON related to the War in Iraq AND Deadly Attacks on Main Street!

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wrong
Posted by: siamdave on Oct 1, 2008 5:23 AM   
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There is one and only one fundamental problem with the current financial system - private banks are allowed to create money out of thin air for private profit, with no effective 'public' oversight. Bankers, and investors, do not operate with the primary motive of a stable economy, but with maximising their profits. All else follows. More at BANKETEERING http://www.rudemacedon.ca/lgi/banketeering.html
First we take back our brains, then we go for the country.

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An Addendum....
Posted by: FP2U on Oct 1, 2008 5:26 AM   
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If this thing goes through I want Congress to set up several "accounts" on behalf of the taxpayers. Label them according to what won't get funded in the next 4-8 years because of the diversion of our money to bail out Wall Street. Then, when Wall Street starts paying us back, they can fund "Alternative Fuel", "Social Security", etc. and whatever.

AND I want the pay back to be readily accessible via the shocked media that hyped all this.

Let Wall Street fund the things we have been needing that $700B should have gone to.

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Here's a better bailout plan ! VOTE PRO MAIN STREEET INDEPENDENT ALL THE WAY !!
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 1, 2008 5:59 AM   
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And let the motherfuckers on Wall $treet BURN IN HELL ! Most Democrats and Republicans are strongly beholden to Wall $treet and have no respect for Main Street. Unless the Democrat or Republican can prove that he or she actually stands up for Main Street first, voting for either party is DUMB DUMB DUMB !!

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» "WHAT I WANT" Posted by: pearce
BUISNESS AS USUAL!
Posted by: Big Kahuna on Oct 1, 2008 6:13 AM   
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As Radio personality Ed Schultz has stated numerous times,"AND NOBODYS GOING TO JAIL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enuff said...... Another disgusting ruse to centeralize even more power in the executive branch(with crony friends included of course! Goose stepping the rest of us over the edge of the cliff. Who ever said "crime doesn't pay" just didn't have the right connections.

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Stiglitz hits the right notes, but it isn't yet a tune...
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Oct 1, 2008 6:15 AM   
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The bubble-du-jour has burst, leaving a huge number of homeowners with negative equity. Worse yet, many may be prospective homeless-owners.

Having worked on both the Sales and Home Office side of the insurance industry, I can tell you that while selling is not intrinsically dishonest, it is tremendously manipulative. Couple that manipulation and "motivation" with lifelong propagandizing of the Consumerist American Dream, and it is easy to see that no one had to threaten those predatory-lending victims with anything other than the prospect of being the last to arrive at the BIG PARTY, and having to settle for less than they "deserved" as Consumers. Those folks were putty in the Real Estate and Mortgage industries' hands.

And of course the money-for-nothing brigands let Greenspan give his Buishite buddies a five-year bubble to ride while they shoveled Wealthy-Fare up to the top 1/75th of 1% richest households, home turf of our Greed Culture.

The only generally correct truism in the sell-up of the housing boom was that home ownership is a Good Thing. The problem I see in most of the bailout "thinking" is that it ignores both the Good Thing and a basic solution: Change The Game.

First, even though it does not come naturally to them, the bankers are capable of projecting "post-bubble" arm's-length valuations for all the homes under threat.

Then, we the people, through our Hired Help on Capitol Hill, can legislate that the new arm's length valuation shall become the principal loan, and that a fair interest rate (as in a rate one of the Forbes 400 Richest Americans would be given) will be charged, and that these will form the new structure for the bailout, with the government aiding those who need it, and the Greed Culture taking the loss as it should under the principle of risk.

The Forbes 400 (that's a mere 400 households) was worth over One Trillion Dollars before the bubble burst, so they are good for the loss, and for the penance they should pay, given their support of Greenie, Rubin, et al. The 400 wouldn't even get the whole bill, though I'd shed no tears if they did.

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Take America back from Corporate State- Call/Write your public servants
Posted by: Lifesabeach on Oct 1, 2008 6:25 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Please consider the following suggestions to help solve the economic crisis:

1. END THE WAR IN IRAQ - Use the money saved to create emergency jobs for Americans to reduce our dependence on foreign oil through green energy expansion AND get America back to work in America.

2. Improve Education through innovation - setting up a cabinet position that finds new fields of study ahead of the curve, increases apprenticeships for high school, etc.

3. ESTABLISH A TRUE LIVING WAGE SCALE- rewarding corporations for providing a living wage, full health care benefits, matching retirement funds, family/wellness/sickness leave plans with healthy tax cuts.

4. REGULATE ALL MORTGAGES - PROVIDE A FIXED RATE OF 3-4% to all Americans as an emergency stimulus package, temporarily reducing our output until income catches up to expense inflation.

5. CREATE A NEW HOMESTEAD ACT and IMPROVE HOPE for HOMEOWNER's ACT - providing homes and jobs for all American's through Ameri-Corp, cleaning up America, improving our infra-structure.

6. FREEZE FORECLOSURES - get people back in homes they have lost through #5 above.
7. CREATE REGULATORY LEGISLATION ON BOTH PROFITS AND WAGES thus allowing the American people to earn a living wage now and in the future.

8. BROKER A DEAL WITH AMERICA'S WEALTHIEST to buy out the failing Wall St. giants and let them govern it's recovery with their experience and new regulatory controls.

Call now...help them "flesh out" the details - but not on our backs!

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The Ultimate Bailout Plan!
Posted by: TarryFaster on Oct 1, 2008 7:04 AM   
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I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a 'We Deserve It Dividend.'

To make the math simple, lets assume there are 200,000,000

bonafide adults in the U.S.A.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman

and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18 + as a

We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.

So lets assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.

That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.

A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

Pay off your mortgage -- housing crisis solved.

Repay college loans -- what a great boost to new grads

Put away money for college -- it'll be there

Save in a bank -- create money to loan to entrepreneurs.

Buy a new car -- create jobs

Invest in the market -- capital drives growth

Pay for your parents medical insurance -- health care improves

Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean -- or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks

Who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company

that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we are going to redistribute wealth lets really do it...instead of trickling out

a puny $1000.00 ( a vote buy ) economic incentive.

If we are going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG -- liquidate it.

Sell off its parts.

Let American General go back to being American General.

Sell off the real estate.

Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can never work.

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion

We Deserve a Dividend more than the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

And remember, This plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned

instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

So, contact your respective Congress members and purpose THIS idea for a "bailout."

---


T.

By knowing, we are freed. Therefore, ignorance is just regret waiting to happen.

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» Yeah... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: The Ultimate Bailout Plan! Posted by: percipi22
» Your arithmetic is lousy. Posted by: WhatNow?
» Yeah I got that email too Posted by: jreal
Ooops!
Posted by: TarryFaster on Oct 1, 2008 7:19 AM   
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The math doesn't work. $85,000,000,000 divided by 200,000,000 only equals $425 and not $425,000. Sorry for the short-lived fantasy.

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The Source of the Problem
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 1, 2008 7:34 AM   
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appears to be the "adjustable rate mortgages" that allowed speculators to profit on the debts which raised the monthly payments beyond the ability of the new home owners to pay. The only just solution is to ban and outlaw "adjustable rate mortgages" and return all those homes to the people for the monthly payments they originally signed for. Instead, the government wants to use our taxes to pay for everything and still hold onto the houses for future sale, an obviously crooked deal without any justification except Bush's fear-mongering lies. THAT is why people are furious. The whole thing is a gigantic fraud!

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» RE: The Source of the Problem Posted by: badkitty
» 50%? Please...! Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: 50%? Please...! Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: The Source of the Problem Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: The Source of the Problem Posted by: badkitty
"WHAT I WANT"
Posted by: pearce on Oct 1, 2008 7:40 AM   
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BEWARE BAILOUT RD 11, NEW SHADE OF LIPSTICK

By David Swanson
SNIP:

I want a bill immediately to ban predatory mortgage lending, ban states
from preventing cities from restricting predatory lending, and commit
the federal government to allowing states full freedom to restrict
predatory lending.

I want a bill establishing a maximum wage at 10 times the minimum wage,
and including all forms of income in that calculation (and raising the
minimum wage how ever much required to pass the bill). I want the tax
system created by that bill to pay for any necessary bailouts, and want
such bailouts enacted and overseen by Congress.

I also want a Tobin tax on all transactions in finance, insurance, and
real estate, including currency transactions.

I want Congress to haul fraudulent bankers into Washington and force
them to testify, fire them without compensation as part of any bailouts,
and refer them to the Justice Department for prosecution.

I want serious regulation of Wall Street.

I want a five-year moratorium on foreclosures, and a bailout of
homeowners equal to any bailout of bankers.

And, finally, I want $700 billion invested in green energy jobs
immediately, to be paid for by a tax on carbon emissions.

In fact, I would like to see all of these steps included in a single
bill called the "Honest Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008."
Somebody explain to me why that wouldn't be a good move for our economy
and a smart political step for those who propose it.

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The Only People Who Deserve To Be Bailed Out
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 1, 2008 7:43 AM   
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are the home owners who were swindled and bankrupted by "adjustable rate mortgages" and the speculators who walked away with the money.

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There is only one Bailout Plan that will work. We would have a surplus if -
Posted by: symcokid on Oct 1, 2008 9:02 AM   
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we got our one million troop's asses out of the one hundred and thirty countries they are in, abolish the 761 military bases we have scattered around the world and quit warring with countries at a whim because we want to steal ther resources and force our form of Democracy down their throats!

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This guy got a Nobel Prize?
Posted by: grindermonkey on Oct 1, 2008 9:29 AM   
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In what area of study? This is the same old blame game that is being foisted upon the public in an effort to divide us into bill payers and dead beats. We did not do this to ourselves. It was done to us, or rather PUT to us, by the repeal of the Glass Steagal Act of 1933 by the Gramm Bliley Act of 1999. Yes, the next Republican Treasury Secretary, Phil Gramm, mad professor of economics from Texas ginned this up on his own. A "free market" is free from oversight, responsibility, accountability and now reality.

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» Yep, he sure did Posted by: franny59
No bail-outs! Let the chips fall so they come back within reach!
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2008 9:34 AM   
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Speculation on the part of investors and greed on the part of home-borrowers ("homeowner" is a laughable misnomer), banks, and investment firms in collusion with the federal government created a situation that drove housing prices sky high.

They were never worth what you paid/borrowed for them, no matter whether you were borrowing for a home, buying up those mortgages, or buying up packages of them by the hundreds or thousands!

YOU PAID MORE THAN YOU SHOULD HAVE, AND IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS WAGE EARNERS TO INSULATE YOU FROM YOUR BAD DECISIONS.

Period. This bailout mess is going to make this so-called crisis drag on for possible decades, instead of a painful year or two.

Damn all you junior Warren Buffets who want to steal from the rest of us to support your housing choices, your investments, and your lifestyles.

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Ralph Nader and Ron Paul on "A Better Bailout Plan"
Posted by: fanny666 on Oct 1, 2008 10:28 AM   
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It seems like, the more "mainstream" a politician is, the worse s/he is on the issue. Here's 2 non-mainstream politicians who "get it."

Ron Paul

Ralph Nader

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Incomes Need To Rise
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Oct 1, 2008 10:31 AM   
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I like deductive instrumentalism Bush's speech writers gave for him to use in his speech urging support for the Paulson bailout plan. If we would just take the bad assets off the books of the banks, then they will resume lending again.

Since when did the financial health of a bank have anything to do with weather or not you got approved for a credit card, or a car and/or home loan? Last time I checked, factors like past credit history and the ability of the potential borrower to pay are what a bank uses to determine if it is going to issue credit.

Somewhere along the way people's incomes are going to need to rise in order for home owners in trouble to get out of the mess they are in over the long term. A combination of increased public spending to increase employment and more progressive taxation can have this desired effect on the economy. Banks won't start lending more until people are in better shape financially. Giving the banks a hand out without increasing incomes won't help.

Yes, adjustable rate mortgages need to be done away with. Plus, banks need to tighten up their standards for who gets a home mortgage. Too many people are being encouraged to buy homes, when a lot of them simply don't have the means to own a home over the long term.

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» RE: Incomes Need To Rise Posted by: EncinoM
» Incomes Need To Rise Posted by: jooljetkmae
All of this is a Bum Rush......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 1, 2008 10:45 AM   
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This whole fiasco is Bushco's last freebies to the titans of Wall Street! Once again Joe Main Street is bent over (w/o vaseline!) to take it up, as the titans go skipping off to their mansions in the hills!

Those great lies "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" would be absolutely hysterical if this were a movie! Sadly, this whole group of thugs needs to be soundly horse-whipped, then put into jail!

I blame Congress, both Repugnikans (who've controlled Congress for the last 15 years) and their complicit Democratic buddies! They have repealed all the laws that were put into place to guard against such atrocities (Glass-Stegall, the Morality law - yes there really was one, bankruptcy, et al.)!

Now "we" are in a crisis! Exactly which "we" does that refer to - is it the "we" that profited off of these excesses, or is it the "we" that took out the loans, or maybe it's the "we" that received these huge Golden Parachutes!! What I do understand is that this bill really does nothing to compensate the "we" whose tax dollars will be used! What I understand is that "we" will not be "compensated" whether the form is relief for home-owners currently in foreclosure, repeal or re-institution of laws separating investment houses from banks, more much more transparency, or immediate suspension of those Golden Parachutes, or whether "we" receive a future stake in the "newly prosperous" Wall Street!

Enough is Enough!!!!!

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discuss the economy in local free assemblies
Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Oct 1, 2008 11:33 AM   
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This economy was never meant to be. As it falls, if government props it up, government is the next to fall, and government may be meant to be.

Our economy is deceptive and keeps us from putting our heads together.

The economy should be discussed at a local level by the people in free assembly, and the people should talk about and decide upon what makes sense to them, and these assemblies should be frequent.

That local discussion is subverted by local officials in violation of the tenth amendment's reservation of powers to the state or the people, of which local officials are neither, and free assembly, means we have to be kind to the local officials who turn themselves in and repent, fully knowing in their heart the dilema of representing many at a local level.

An economy based on the wisdom of frequent local discussion of the people, is so natural, that the falling of this false way, illuminates what the people have known so long.

The government is not a bank. How can we trust these anxious men. Their mistakes show the need for rectitude, not enablement.

It is obvious by the media push for the bail-out, that the media, through its assumption of the sacrosanctity of the written word, is where the evil flows. Let's up congress can step up to the box, the tv box, we have to think outside of. We all have the obligation to talk about the economy with each other, and see what we want, than let it be so removed from us, that that kind of sustainable thinking..

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The good ol' days
Posted by: kattfish on Oct 1, 2008 12:46 PM   
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Ah, I long for the days when I was naive and thought the only difference beween the 2 parties was that the Democrats gave you a kiss afterwards.


My thoughts on this bail-out? Just say no! But, just as it failed as a motto for the "war on drugs" it is doomed to fail now.

Wall Street has an addiction (substitute greed for the drug) Our Congress are the enablers, the co-dependants. They are so entwined that they feed off each other, one depends on the other to keep the addiction secret.

It's time for an ol' fashion intervention. It's already started with "main street" revolting by way of email, phone calls and letters. Let's keep it up, folks. Write your Reps and let them know how you feel, it's an election year, they might even feel the need to listen.

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Sweden soved this in the 90's
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 1, 2008 12:51 PM   
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The Swedes had a similar crisis in the 90's and solved it by FIRST forcing the banks to write down the bad assets . The banks with bad debts were then taken over by the Government which then ran the banks and eventually the government returned them to private hands by selling them off .
I understand that the Swedish Ambassador has been telling ANYONE in DC who will listen that hey WE KNOW how to do this , we've DONE it and we will SHOW you WHAT to do

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» RE: Sweden soved this in the 90's Posted by: richholland
is anyone listening??
Posted by: percipi22 on Oct 1, 2008 6:22 PM   
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I hear all of you say NO to this loud and clear. This gov. worked hard to get us all so pissed off and by god that can't complain about it now when they want to rip us off again. They could care less. And I am leaning more to the anarchist side of things...let them bail and the gov. will fail shortly therafter

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A Bailout based on Market Prices
Posted by: janvdb on Oct 1, 2008 7:44 PM   
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Disaggregate the toxic mortgage backed securities and all their derivitive products.

Pass a law which would unbundle these packages of bonds down to their constituent mortgages, then distribute the underlying mortgages to the current owners of these products on a prorata basis using estimates of the value of their current holdings.

All current holders of these products --a specified list of troubled bonds compiled by Treasury -- would be given 48 hours to report exactly what they have to Treasury, so the ownership of everything would be of record.

The underlying mortgages are easily valued using standard software for calculating the discounted present value of a Deed of Trust (DoT). Missed payments take a specified nick from the value of the DoT. Mortgages near or in foreclosure can be valued at the independently appraised value of the underlying real estate.

Even the sickest real estate in the sickest parts of California and Florida is selling to vultures. It has a price.

The total of the discounted present value of the constituent mortgages and foreclosed-on real estate underlying a specific bond tranche is the value of that bond tranche and all its derivitives.

The underlying mortgages in each bond should be ranked by quality (determined by payment history) and distributed to the holders of the various "slices" of the bundle based on the risk level of the crap they bought.

The bozos who bought high-risk "equity slices," for instance, should get the stuff now in foreclosure.

As for the most exotic products, something which is "difficult to value," and "illiquid" is worthless. Those who produce and buy this garbage should deal with the consequences of their own actions.

Unbundling would release significant increases in value, possibly enough to re-capitalize most holders of the products.

Re-do corporate books with these new values. THEN, Paulsen can use taxpayer money to buy newly-issued stock in those banks which are still short of capital and too big to fail, at current stock prices (without releasing the results of the revaluation).

Taxpayers would almost certainly make money over 5 years.

Buy no toxic assets!!

Remember, the point of this exercise is to preserve the flow of loans to Main Street. Investment banks and hedge funds don't make loans, so let them fail.

Even at 8% unemployment, something like 95% of US mortgage payments will continue to be made. The vast majority of US mortgages are still solid.

The problem is the way Wall Street has bundled the bonds and then sliced up the bundles to make these toxic products.

The individual Deeds of Trust or Mortgages inside these ugly wraps are going to continue to produce payment income in the vast majority of cases, even in a depression.

It is the packaging, slapped on by Wall Street, which is destroying the value of these DoTs.

Looking forward, let's not package mortgages. They are too diverse and need closer management.

Jan VanDenBerg

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This is definetely a gimme
Posted by: jreal on Oct 1, 2008 9:13 PM   
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Bail out the honchos.

Next all the smaller banks will fail and they won't get bailed out.

There won't be enough money for health insurance either. Money will be stretched too far.

So Republicans brought us socialism. Only it's socialism for the rich.

Next stop, facism against those favoring trickle down socialism.

Thanks Republicans... You no good Nazi pigs.

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» Get your History Straight Posted by: gellero1
Joseph Stigbits is a numb skull, too
Posted by: logansafi on Oct 2, 2008 9:19 AM   
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How can such an esteemed (by liberals) economist not mention government deficit spending on the Pentagon-military-policing-industrial complex as not being the main cause of The Crash? Throwing paper money at the supposed problem (the terrorist shadow created by government and military) has certainly devalued the current world currency, the increasingly deflated dollar. Our master economist seems to take note of none of that? That's kind of incredible.

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Ranting about the Rip Off Isn't Enough
Posted by: RichardfromHB on Oct 2, 2008 1:31 PM   
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I have read a lot of blogs about the bailout. The bloggers/articles/economists provide a wealth of info supporting the need to think it through a little better. It appears that about 75% of the public is against the give-away to the wealthy. The MSM say things like it wasn't explained well enough to us by Bush and Hanky-Panky. The self dealers on wall street drop the market (painting stock market) and set high overnight lending rates to scare the low-information public. Effective info dispersal has lessened the impact of those scare tactics. But ranting is not enough. It is still likely that Congress will pass the give away over public calls, emails, and faxes. How come? We're stuck on the 1's and 0's, and have not made the transition into action. I'm not advocating machine guns, just something creative that can't be ignored or lied about (After stocks went down 777, "public opinion changed"). How about everyone blowing their horns during the House vote, especially around Washington? I don't know, I'm not creative, and I still think the 1's and 0's are real neat.

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