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Bailout Rejection Sends out Financial Shockwaves, But It's Also Good for Democracy

By William Greider, TheNation.com. Posted September 30, 2008.


Bowing to public outrage, the House rejected the bailout and Wall Street swoons. The political bedlam in Washington is as real as it gets.

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All of the political leaders blessed the deal, but the House of Representatives spit it out anyway. The Wall Street bailout is so odious to public opinion, the "people's house" rejected it today, 228-205. The fever chart in Wall Street -- better known as the stock market -- swooned instantly, with the Dow falling 700 points. The political bedlam in Washington is as real as it gets.

The party leaders will probably try again. I doubt they have the energy or courage to renegotiate the terms in any serious way. A majority of Democrats voted for the measure, but most Republicans took a walk. They will be scolded -- and pounded by captains of industry and finance -- for being "irresponsible." But I doubt the public will agree.

In all of elected Washington, representatives are closest to the people and they know a vote for this outrageous measure is going to end the careers of some colleagues -- maybe many of them. This time, the dissenters can claim principle and say they are voting with the folks, while also voting to save their own hides.

It adds another deep shock to the system, both in politics and economics, but what an invigorating moment for democracy.

The financial bloodbath will continue, but unless the deal on the table changes significantly, Henry Paulson gets to decide who lives and who dies. The former investment banker from Goldman Sachs would be empowered as treasury secretary to play savior or grim reaper, the liquidator who essentially pulls the plug on some banks and financial firms or the man who rescues them from ruin. Of course, Paulson would consult with other government officials. But you can be sure that, behind closed doors, he will ask former brethren in Wall Street to help decide which club members are worthy of saving. This power to pick winners and losers would remain in Paulson's hands until a new president arrives in January.

This the essence of "the deal" Congress worked out over the weekend and was stymied today. Some bells and whistles were added to make the transaction less obnoxious to public opinion, voters and taxpayers. They are not meaningless, but both parties lacked the nerve to tamper with Paulson's basic proposal. This is still a massive bailout of imploding Wall Street, financed with the public's money. And it is still a massive crap shoot for the American people.

If the billions from Washington somehow restore temporary calm and balance to global financial institutions and markets, then the usual cheerleaders will proclaim the "system" has worked. Most Americans, I predict, will not join the cheering. Too much destruction lies ahead, both in the financial system and in the real economy where people live and work. Too much bitterness and rage will be attached to the White Knight at Treasury when he dooms one pension fund or bank, but rescues others. Too much deceptive sleight-of-hand is already embedded in Paulson's approach for ordinary mortals to even recognize what Paulson intends to accomplish.

The essential political failure, in my view, is that Congress did not step up and assert the full emergency powers of government in this epic crisis, that is, take temporary control of the entire financial and banking system so regulators and policy makers can steer the US economy to safer ground, compelling the private institutions to follow their lead. This rescue plan remains essentially voluntary. Yes, the Treasury Secretary would be awarded gargantuan personal powers, but there is not much in writing to compel the banking behavior of private interests he chooses to rescue them. One assumes Paulson will demand some private deals and use his enormous leverage to squeeze anyone who resists. But there is nothing to guarantee this path is taken. The bailout will belong to the club and the club will manage it.


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William Greider is the author of, most recently, "The Soul of Capitalism" (Simon & Schuster).

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Keep Calling/ Faxing/ Emailing Capitol Hill
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2008 12:14 AM   
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Zip link to your Senators and Representative

Isn't it obvious by now that they intend to pass this bailout of Wall Street billionaires ...

Tell the NO ... Tell Them NO NOW !

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» Another quick petition site Posted by: fanny666
Hats off...
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 30, 2008 12:24 AM   
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to the Democrats and Republicans who voted AGAINST the Bush/Paulson giveaway plan.

Well done, ladies and gentlemen. You showed the world what REAL democracy was all about.

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» RE: Hats off... Posted by: Beck
» from the GOP Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: Hats off... Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: Hats off... Posted by: Von
Don't Buy Into Their Crap ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2008 12:29 AM   
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The Stock Market is not the problem ... The Credit Markets are the problem and this Bill does nothing to clear up the financial freeze.

The reason the financial markets are not running smoothly is that there are insolvent banks out there so no banks want to do business for fear of getting stuck with these banks bad debt. This Bill just throws money at the problem without addressing the problem of these insolvent banks.

This is a terrible Bill, a bailout that will be followed by another and another bailout because it doesn't address the fact that insolvent banks must be taken out of the system.

Please Keep calling Congress until this either passed or killed ... we just had a major victory today ... Do Not Give Up ...

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Amusing
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 30, 2008 12:46 AM   
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It's going to be interesting to see how the tune changes around here when companies are unable to make payroll.

dboy

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» So, in your opinion... Posted by: ~Fiona~
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: Hajoda
» RE: So, in your opinion... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Not (just) by the Fed... Posted by: photon's feather
» More 'amusing' Posted by: feduphoosier
» Extraordinarily MORE 'amusing' Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: xtraordinarily MORE 'dumb' Posted by: kungfoofighterx
» RE: xtraordinarily MORE 'dumb' Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Amusing Posted by: donl51
» RE: Amusing Posted by: Dboy
The Democrats Need Their Own Plan ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2008 1:56 AM   
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~A new plan such as the Brad De Long / Stiglitz Plan a la the Scandinavian Plan must be readied for implementation by the Democrats.

Why ? The Democrats must have an alternative to the Bush- Paulson giveaway ... In this way they have something they can pass and shove down Bush's throat and say they did something should the economy go south. A plan that would work and is recommended by notable economists is just the antidote for Shock Doctrine Treatment the Democrats are getting.

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» One article by Stiglitz: Posted by: photon's feather
Tinkle Down Economics!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 30, 2008 3:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We need a Consumer Based Economy more than Schlock!
Get America what Warren Buffet got for his money.
Preferred stock that pays a 10% Dividend.

* Re-Regulate the financial institutions, and take an ownership stake in exchange for any Taxpayer support
* Provide mortgage relief to ordinary Americans
* Putting millions to work by investing in new green energy jobs
* Investing in a Health care, Elderly care and a Dental plan that covers everyone
* Free the Media from corporate Control by Breaking up the Media Monopolies.

Multi-national Corporations are the problem,
The People are the solution.
Put the money where it is needed most, in the pockets of the American People.
Put America First!

Bailing out The Big Three is a Bad Joke,
If, after a 100 years they still have trouble building a decent car they should go out of business. The problem is that the C.E.O.s are stealing all of the money instead of putting it into the cars.
Ask G.M. where the EV-1 is?
The Corporate system is a complete and utter Failure!
It fails the People.
Greed is a negative human trait,
It is the EVIL that we must fight in America, today.
Unbridled Corporate GREED!
There is no money left for their incompetence.
Enough already!
They believe in a free market system.
He who lives by the sword must die by the sword.

Start over!
Build a Consumer Based economy.
They had their shot,
Now it is our turn.
Let’s create a system that provides Citizens with what they need and want instead a pile of GARBAGE.
Build a cleaner, more Efficient, Ecological friendly, locally Independent, Progressive, Self Sufficient, Sustainable, Socially Responsible, Model Society

A Trillion Dollars could buy us Millions of Green Energy Jobs and a way out of this mess.
Giving it to Wall Street will only postpone the inevitable,
We have more important work to do.
Start over with a clean slate.
America is drowning in Corporate Greed and Corruption.
Stop sinking money into the COR-PIRATE Black Hole and bail out Main Street U.S.A. instead.

Vote No!

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» RE: auto Posted by: jon B
» RE: Tinkle Down Economics! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Tinkle Down Economics! Posted by: wonkywriter
The MSM decries the Bailout rejection!!
Posted by: xvictor on Sep 30, 2008 4:52 AM   
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Not one major media source received the bailout rejection news as a positive outcome. They criticized those brave congress folks who voted 'no' on the wasteful, ill-conceived bill. This demonstrates an irrational bias bordering on the absurd. Not only that, they showed us what a bunch of unthinking cry babies they truly are!!

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Major Tax cut for Dividends??
Posted by: Inlander on Sep 30, 2008 4:55 AM   
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What does that have to do with rescueing failed banks? Isn't that what the Bush/wall st boys wanted all along. That and a huge taxpayer influx of cash known as the Social Security trust fund? Yeah, that would have been just great had it taken Washington and Wall st. all of a few years to lose all our country has gained over decades.

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You Must Be High
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 30, 2008 4:59 AM   
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No one bowed to public pressure. They just need more time to bury the bodies and cover up the paper trail.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: You Must Be High Posted by: EncinoM
» A better question Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: A better question Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: You Must Be High Posted by: Von
jdsmith1975
Posted by: Skippy on Sep 30, 2008 5:14 AM   
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I called my Republican congressman to vote "yes" on this rescue plan because he is a Republican and I want him, and all Republicans, to have to eat this one. His office flunky tried to blame this mess on Bill Clinton. I swear, Republicans will try to blame Adam and Eve's fall from the Garden of Eden on Bill Clinton! If my congressman was a Democrat, I would have urged a No vote.

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» RE: jdsmith1975 Posted by: badkitty68
» RE: jdsmith1975 Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: jdsmith1975 Posted by: Dboy
» Nancy is that you? Partisan Hack Alert Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: jdsmith1975 Posted by: HoboHomo
RE: Swindle Rejected By Alert Congressmen
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 30, 2008 9:49 AM   
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Remember that nobody can scare the crap out of people like republicans can. That's their greatest skill. This looks bad for McCain but the Rovian crew is on the case. By the time the election is here, it's certainly possible that they could twist the narrative to: "it's far too risky to hand the country over to an untested candidate like Obama in this time of national crisis. We need solid leadership from an experienced leader".. etc. It's quite doable.

dboy

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Ron Mro
Posted by: RON Mro on Sep 30, 2008 5:27 AM   
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Bill Greider, You are absolutely correct. The market should be left alone until we have a plan that really protects the American middle and poor class. The Republicans, using Reagan as a shining example of everything that is good is so much crap. Reagan and his so called "trickle down" economics won't work,mainly because the rich and those who wish they were are too greedy. Barack needs to stand up in the next debate and outline his specific plan,using some of your suggestions. FDR in the 30's took the hard steps and declared a bank holiday and other unpopular steps in order to sort out the mess. We need another leader ,such as Barack to assume the mantle of FDR and show real leadership. The Republicans have failed miserably in their leadership. While on the subject of buyouts-Why don't we buy out Bush and Cheney and let Pelosi do the dirty work before the next President comes on board. She is tough and capable.I am sure they have about $600,00 floating around of taxpayers money. Now that would be a worthy expense. Ron Mro

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» RE: on Mro Posted by: Dboy
» Ah, but... Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: Ah, but... Posted by: Dboy
Who Cares
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 30, 2008 5:42 AM   
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Personally, I could care less about the stupid DOW or even stupid Wall Street as a Whole! I dont CARE. And I dont think anyone from Main Street America cares about a bunch of over paid and under worked wall street snobs. I mean really. Keeping food on the table and gas in the tank is ALL that matters.

Jiff
Online Privacy when it Counts

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» RE: Who Cares Posted by: EncinoM
» YEAH! you tell 'em Posted by: donl51
» YEAH! you tell 'em Posted by: donl51
» RE: Who Cares? I sure as hell don't! Posted by: countingdaisies
Smartest guy in the room syndrome
Posted by: SteveO on Sep 30, 2008 5:46 AM   
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Paulson did the typical CEO thing, he said give me 700 billion dollars, no restrictions and trust me. The American people, after being screwed by these slimes for the last 30+ years finally said "NO".

Nancy the capitulator and Barney the reactionary need to step down. We need new leadership who is actually willing to lead, not just stand there with their eyes on their political barometers and their ears plugged into the banking lobby.

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A Prediction on Bailout
Posted by: US Citizen on Sep 30, 2008 5:55 AM   
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Prediction on the Bailout. The Bailout will pass.
For a few days, Wall Street will have a large rally. Some nimble traders will make billions of dollars in stock deals. These nimble traders will be praised widely in the media for their acumen, but they have actually received inside detailed information ahead of time, including exact timing and specifics of the bailout actions. After a few days, the market will start falling again, and we will be in the same financial crisis we are now, except minus $700 billion..

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» You can thank Schumer&Feinstein Posted by: weathered
Wall Street's Marie Antionette moment
Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 30, 2008 6:31 AM   
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This is really reminescent of what it must have been like in France 1789:

"What?!? How DARE those peasants refuse to give their tribute! What next--a Revolution?!?"

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Predictions?
Posted by: Hovey on Sep 30, 2008 6:49 AM   
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Since the big flurry after the defeat of the first bailout is. "We will be driven into a recession if we don't do something now." I have to predict it is here already. This is the cover for 8 years of failed policy.

Bush and Republicans in hindsight will say it was all caused by Congress not acting quickly enough. The recession was coming anyway, we as a country have a 9 trillion dollar debt and the free marketers in both parties have done nothing to stop its growth. Demodracts refuse to fight against the massive military spending while wanting to get something for lower income people. Republicans want the massive military becasue somewhere in their pea brains it makes them feel safer. They cut taxes (spineless dems again fail here) creating even more debt as the wage wars to keep the military supply companies rolling in deficit dough.

We voters, that about half the eligible adults in the country share in the failure every time we fall for a no new taxes pledge. Every time we think it is some other country that is the problem. Every time we create a new agency with tens of thousands of employees with benefits those of us in the private sector can only dream about.

In the end it had to collapse, so here we are. And what is the response to the conditions we created, more monopoly money. An utter failure of protecting our way of life for our kids and grandchildren. This is a fine mess we have gotten ourselves into. In hindsight we will blame those who did not agree with us and nothing would have changed.

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» RE: Predictions? Posted by: Von
Capitalism to Socialism
Posted by: solrev on Sep 30, 2008 7:16 AM   
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It is nice to see that conservatives won the battle yesterday. The people chose free market capitalism, and today they will start whining about free market capitalism and the evils it has wrought. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. Just out of curiosity would one of you geniuses tell me if the 5+ trillion freddies fanny hook you are on, does that include freddies fanny bad paper? If we already own freddies fanny, we may as well have gotten the rest of the bad paper and put it in the SS lockbox room, there is plenty of space. 700 hundred billion seemed like a cheap price for the American people to buy Wall Street. Since the 700 hundred billion is not exactly about Wall Street and thanks to the American people, never will be, we can get on with business as usual. I wonder how many of you know what the other 700000 billion out there is and how this bailout is connected to that money. Well you are going to get the bailout, so squeal little piggy like a stuck hog, but you have been rope a doped. For those of you folks who think, congress is going to wave a magic wand and create the New World order that you wish for, do not hold your breath. It would have been easier to buy Wall Street and change it, than build New Street. Next time and there will be a next time, use those rational minds a little better, don’t get even get ahead. Invest 700 and get a 700 hundred billion return or do not invest and go to zero. You should have bought Wall Street or at least had that illusion to use as propaganda for the revolution of 2012.

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The vote is in
Posted by: practical idealist on Sep 30, 2008 7:24 AM   
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We are too stupid to live!

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NO BAIL OUT
Posted by: grkjr on Sep 30, 2008 7:36 AM   
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It is indeed curious why congress, national news programs etc all seem to present only one side of the issue... to bail out one would think is the only thing to do.. the american people seem to be smarter than those in the "know".
1. They realize that the credit crunch is about the banks running scared, not the american people. After all, they can choose right now to loan money to qualified customers.. that is why they are in business.
2. The second group running scared are those, like wall street and individual high risk speculators, who are trying to recap their losses due to bad judgement brought about by greed. Not the american people.
This can be over before it starts if we hang tough, do not give in to congress pressure to run "scared" and let the market of the common man correct the economy by choosing where he makes his deposits; with those banks willing to lend money...letting those responsible for the scare by refusing to loan money to close shop.
If the banks not in this fix continue to close down credit, then they too deserve to fail and are truly shooting themselves in the foot and that will be them, not us, bringing this house of cards down beyond what is necessary.

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» RE: NO BAIL OUT Posted by: jon B
» RE: NO BAIL OUT Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: NO BAIL OUT Posted by: grkjr
RE: new bad boys
Posted by: jon B on Sep 30, 2008 8:18 AM   
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So, Paulson moved some big bad boys into bigger bad boys, that's a positive? You forgot Goldman Sachs, Paulson's last seat of power prior to Treasury Secretary.

But regardless, bailout or no bailout our economy is screwed until the housing market reaches bottom. Until then, no one can fully read this mess.

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RE: Don't Believe New Bailout Hype
Posted by: aussidawg on Sep 30, 2008 7:06 PM   
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Unfortunately, these three "bad boy" banks aren't on all that solid of ground themselves. All three (especially BOA) have many hundreds of billions of those pesky, insecure derivitives out there without the assets needed to cover them. I read somewhere recently that there are 500 trilion dollars in highly risky derivitives outstanding. That is five times the annual global GDP. The proposed $700,000,000 bailout wouldn't have even scratched the surface of the potential financial crisis that still exists.

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nostalgia
Posted by: imors on Sep 30, 2008 8:33 AM   
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I was very surprised to learn the bill didn't pass. It was almost nostalgic. However, I do not believe this is a new beginning. Not unless the people keep up the pressure on all fronts and take back their government ON ALL FRONTS. These cretins are only concerned with saving their seats, their clout and their contributors so that they can live to see another donation. They are only concerned with POWER. I do admit, though, that being blackmailed on both sides (Wall Street and the people), that the people, after so long at the mall, made the best argument: cease and desist or die (politically).

I also won't be surprised if we, the people, go right back to sleep and dream of shopping. Pleased to be proved wrong on this one.

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Wall Street wants us to panic, but stocks are just way overpriced.
Posted by: The Other Katherine Harris on Sep 30, 2008 8:41 AM   
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What's underway is simple Market Justice. Artificially inflated prices can't be sustained forever -- not for $700 billion or any amount of cash.

For years and years, the housing bubble fed the stock bubble and vice versa. Far too much money poured into both asset classes, so this isn't a problem more money will solve.

In every speculative market, there comes a time when those who bought too high get rebuked by reality. Wall Street doesn't like reality any more than homeowners who paid too much do, but the fall has to happen. It's healthy.

Just as the housing market will recover when the median price of a home regains its logical relationship with the median household income, stock prices will stabilize at a level that reflects their fundamental value. Trying to keep these prices unreasonably elevated by any sort of heroics is destined to fail.

Nothing will restore lending, until the banksters' quadrillion-dollar derivatives bomb is fully dismantled. As long as banks don't know who holds how much of this dreck, they won't lend even to each other.

It would be simple for them to nullify their worthless derivative contracts among themselves. Most are matched sets – A bet x and B bet the opposite of x – so the parties could just declare them void, no winners/no losers, and refund the small sums that were actually paid up front (a tiny fraction of what they're trying to make us pay). The hyperinflated "notional value" attached to these huge bets represents only fictitious capital, nothing real.

If they're allowed to uhload their worst garbage on us, $700 billion-worth at a time, we won't be left with money for anything else. It will complete the bankruptcy of America.

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Ron Paul
Posted by: Gisele on Sep 30, 2008 8:53 AM   
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was warning you of this a year ago - or more! Here's a link to 5 video's he's speaking in...all to do with exactly what happened.

As usual, the lapdog's we amusingly call media are sitting quietly, obediently in the laps of their masters instead of digging, drubbing, and displaying the truth. Otherwise it would likely be Ron Paul vs: Barack Obama. Go figure.

http://articles.
mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/30/
who-predicted-u-s-economic-
collapse-one-year-ago.aspx?source=nl

...just put the link back together again, no spaces before or after hyphens.

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No Mention Of We The People
Posted by: Southern Gal on Sep 30, 2008 8:54 AM   
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I watched C-Span and held my breath while the votes were tabulated. It seemed like a victory when the nays won. Those representatives were paying attention to their constituents back home and that usually doesn't happen. The concentrated effort to ram this legislation through is so frightening. They are using fear of the unknown to scare we the people into paying this fat cat bailout.

Why doesn't Congress use good sense and have extensive open hearings on this finanacial sitution. Have the economnists and policy makers from all sides of the issues represented. They should outline just how serious the issues are and repercussions if nothing is done. They should also consider what other countries have done.The secrecy of the negotiations and having the people invovled who helped make and continue this mess is not reassuring.I'm not sure that anyone completely understands the problems that we face. I've heard experts say to fix it from the bottom oup and others from the top down. They treat the people as a bunch of ignorant stupid sheep with no good input and no need to take part in the discussions.

There has been mention made of Main Street losing the value of their 401K's and pensions. I can't find any information on how many people in this country participate in those pension programs. I can't imagine that too many people in my neck of the woods have access to those financial savings. They are too busy working whatever job they can get, saving whatever money they have to pay off debts and cursing the leaders of this country who show so little concern for them and their plight.

Watching CNN yesterday everyone talked about the reasons for the votes, but none except Lou Dobbs eqated the vote to the pressure from we the constituents. It's as if we don't live in the same world with the people from Washington and media land.

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THIS is the kind of debate that should have been had on Iraq
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 30, 2008 9:10 AM   
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I find it amazing that our leaders are willing to tell Bush and Paulson where to stick it when they lacked the cajones to do that after 9-11. Part of the financial crisis can be laid on the doorstep of this blunder we call Iraq. Just think, some of those brave men and women fighting over there might be losing their homes this very moment because of the foreclosures. This is how our country repays its best and brightest.

If Paulson wants 700 billion, I want an itemized statement EVERY MONTH to see exactly where my money's going--and it better damn well NOT be in his pocket!

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Now with 25% more paranoia!!
Posted by: cbishopp on Sep 30, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Our ruling body has done well with diversions and have learned that drama on the surface allows greater success under the table.
This very well could be just another event designed to make the market plummet and offer those who were prepared to clean up the shift in confidence they need to buy it all.
Let us recall that on 9-11 there was obvious insider trading that was never investigated (and why was that?). This would be just one of many operations in motion at this time. No one talks about Iraq or the other multi-billion dollar spending bill that was just passed. Neither candidate has stepped up to offer any real leadership which leads me to believe that they are not in control either. No one has been saddled with blame and no one will go to prison despite gross misconduct. Even John McCain announced that this is not the time for "finger pointing" we just need money fast. Is he joking? This is a hostage situation. We are the hostages.
I know I sound like a crazy guy in a shack in the woods but after the last 10 years of blatant deceit, direct obfuscation and thievery, protective laws repealed and other miscarriages of justice passed effortlessly by our own elected officials, Senators and Representatives carted to prison for gross misconduct, wars started and continued despite obvious lack of cause or support, hard working Americans losing everything they have while the news media blames this meltdown on average Americans who can't pay their mortgage (are you serious, that is not the main cause)....and I am paranoid??!!
Regardless of your opinion keep talking. Share your ideas, stay informed and help others understand that this is not just something that happens by accident.
It would be fatal to shrug your shoulders and leave these decisions to our government. They don't care about you or your kid in Iraq or your repossessed home or your expensive gas. If we don't give the banks what they want they are going to make it VERY hard. They have the ability to cut capital and raise prices overnight. They have the ability to blow up pension funds and retirement and reduce FDIC to rubble. They always have. Inflation and deflation is the game and you must suffer for them to make money. If we controlled our own money this might not be happening.
But don't listen to the crazy guy, look into this subject yourself.

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» I'm with you! Posted by: countingdaisies
Kucinich for Speaker!, Feingold for Senate Leader!
Posted by: Levon on Sep 30, 2008 10:01 AM   
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There I said it, I'm glad I said it and I'm not taking it back.

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Paulson for President!
Posted by: HoboHomo on Sep 30, 2008 10:06 AM   
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Click here.

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Paying for Social Engineering
Posted by: BCcovers on Sep 30, 2008 10:05 AM   
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This mess can be largely attributed to an attempt at social engineering by the government, and the subsequent greed it breed amongst our citizens.

In the 90's people in our government began to realize that some minoritiy groups were not recieving the mortgages in the same proportions as others in our country. This was deemed as "unfair" by the PC-police at the time. The rules were then loosened for Freddie and Fannie in order to get more people in a position where they could buy their own home. Mortgage brokers loved these new standards as there were now lots more demand due to the lower requirements. This along with the housing boom put people in a position to buy a much bigger home than they needed (greed on the consumer's part) and also the mortgage companies were now forced to accept people who had trouble paying rent on an apartment, let alone could afford a mortgage.

But the mortgages were sold nonetheless (greed on behalf of the coporations). So this worry that minorities weren't given as many loans, mostly due to the fact that they didn't meet the common sense requirements that the mortgage industry had been based on for 50 years prior started this mess. People have to realize that when it comes to banks, money is green, a person's color matters little. These people were not given mortgages in the same proportion for a financial reason. Forcing Fannie and Freddie to lower standards put a great deal of irresponisble people in their own homes. Furthermore it also prompted specualtion in house prices and the re-financing boom that also largely attributed to this mess.

Social eingineering, in this case, put people in homes they could not afford, and provided fertile ground for human greed in the housing industry. Usually, the free market can dictate what is "fair" in our financial markets. While we can get emtionally caught up in what it means to own a home, etc.; this situation has proven to the common man that these types of practices can do irrepairable harm to our whole world economy. It's not as simple as putting a low-income individual in their own home and walking away saying "mission accomplished, we've solved a grave injustice." We are now paying the price for such good intentions and hubris.

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It's an Election Year
Posted by: dudelette on Sep 30, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Of course they're kissing up to voters. But be wary of the conservatives. They're probably going to push an even worse sneaky, backdoor bailout plan.

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Still dollar is rising on the hope that bailout will happen -what a preverse economy!
Posted by: avatar_singh on Sep 30, 2008 10:20 AM   
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the marketmen have got the insider information from bush cronies that the bail out will pass come whatever.therefore the stock market shartes rallied. but if this bail out goes then dollar should fall due to dilution of dollar,s value from injection of so much unearned money-that is what standard economics say. but no. the dollar is rising on the same sentiment as thinking that bail out willhappen.
thios proves that anglosaxon economy is not based on any sound reasoning but is a shame and illusion to cheat ohters.

one thing more-. somebody has to laon to americans that money the maericans donot have. in otherwords the last taker would be the greatest fool. and that fo=ool happens to be increasingly central banks and sovering wealth fund of those w=countries called the thrid world. so why do they do it?
besides fromt eh fact theat americans have installed their agents in the thriwd world-like manmohan singh iof India-there is m-bigger reason for theat,
the anglosaxons have done creative destruction of the world on last twenty years more so aftert 1090. and this idea comes from england. ul =[k and american combined have detryed the third world economy and governance and instructed the chosen elites there to bring the money back to america and to lnodn. so w=third world is being made foola nd destitue.
one way to do destruction is vby invading or threatening to invade. there comes this incessant war wged by the angloamericans ont eh rest of the world,
itis to loot their wealth and to prop up bankrupt england and america that those wars and chaos is being created by uk and america.
there goes the cyslce of this anglosaxon barbarism and loot. we msut destroy this anglosaxon play of fraud on the world.

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jlondonace
Posted by: jlondonace on Sep 30, 2008 10:23 AM   
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how does one solve a debt/liquidity issue by paying in with more debt..? we are a society based upon structure of consumer debt and credit agencies that score people on that debt..if you do not buy on credit..owe nothing..you are a
non entity...those who thought they were fortunate to have investments under "management" or retirement accounts have just been hit with results of greed and corporate ill management...so now we are to pay off the offenders by assessing the individual more more debt...why not just give all people single and families $1,000,000. to make them liquid...
(actually just a partial payback for the robbery)...wall street and future players and banks with ARMs created the mess...let them cleanup their portion themselves...look at what Sweden did years back...learn from something that worked...why on earth is the common person always held responsible for what the "faucet" of trickle down economics spews..?

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Why worry? opps oh yeah the sky is falling but not for us
Posted by: The Big Raven on Sep 30, 2008 10:26 AM   
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Americas greed has been the MAIN reason for most of the worlds problems and we all know it and now that this made up crisis starts to take hold know that the poor and disenfranchised are still waiting for justice all the while the rest of the population worries about their futures.
Ha ha ha now just watch your skillful lying leaders BLAME this on everyone else except themselves the greedy bastards the lot of them and the fear-mongering fools you lot voted in.
Meanwhile back on the reservation people still are living way below the poverty line with no hope of ever joining the rest of the sheeple wait a second thats a good thing. It kinda fun watching all the greedy rats cry and whine and as normal BLAME everyone but the true culprits.

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Free Market? Baloney! ( A cartoon )
Posted by: what0now0toons on Sep 30, 2008 11:05 AM   
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I'm happy that America woke up on this one. We cannot bail out at the top and wait for the trickle down theory to work. It NEVER has and it NEVER will! This Con-Servative free market ponzi scheme has to end, Bring back FDR's policies.
And see my animated short film "Free Market Baloney" on you tube, here's the link;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8arYlKgYws

And see more cartoons at www.whatnowtoons.com

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Clear message from Republicans
Posted by: jaynna on Sep 30, 2008 11:49 AM   
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I find it curious that no one is commenting on the fact that it was the Republicans who made the failure of the bill passage decisive. Despite a presidential candidate who supported the bill, it was the Republicans who made a clear statement against it. Are the Republicans listening to their constituents more? Do Democratic constituents really support it? Did the Democratic constituents not speak up against it? Is this a statement of who sees bailing out essential for saving the economy? I could ramble on with possible theories but thought this could make an interesting discussion so will leave for others to put thoughts out there. I'm curious to hear thoughts on why the vote broke out on yes/no and rep/dem.

"Voting yes were 140 Democrats and 65 Republicans. Voting no were 95 Democrats and 133 Republicans."

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» RE: Clear message from Republicans Posted by: funnyfarm12
NYCartist
Posted by: NYCartist on Sep 30, 2008 12:09 PM   
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I don't like the "yes,the Treasury Secretary would be awarded gargantuan powers, but.." No, I don't think that's a good idea, and most people polled don't like it either. I hope I misunderstood the author.

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How can this be possible? A few thoughts.
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 30, 2008 12:14 PM   
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First we are told that this vast land called America today was discovered, how could it have been discovered when it was already here and inhabited by millions of indigenous peoples known as Native Indians?

We have 1,000,000 troops stationed in 130 foreign countries and 761 military bases throughout the world to maintain and a couple of wars going on at the present time.

God wanted us to have this land or God gave us this land or the real scenario - Europeans invaded this "Great Turtle Island", did genocide the Native Indians and stole all of the resources. Then we needed some cheap labor so we set sail for Africa to kidnap millions of blacks and enslaved them for free labor. All of this and now today we are facing a depression of untold magnitude, (broke), yet even in the midst of this mess we feel we are in a position to tell the rest of the world how they should behave or answer to us. There is something drastically wrong with this picture!!!

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Tim Matthews
Posted by: wormfarmer on Sep 30, 2008 12:14 PM   
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It seems the general opinion is skeptical, we need to watch these institutions CLOSELY, for we're right, a back door deal will at least be attempted. Don't let up, make sure our representatives do their JOB. They are working for US.
Fight the GOOD fight, for the "Will of the PEOPLE!"
Vote Sanity, Vote Nader.

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DON'T FORGET TO CALL
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 30, 2008 1:24 PM   
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and thank the good folks that refused to knuckle under to Pelosi!

final vote in House

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» RE: DON'T FORGET TO CALL Posted by: jnick
Sub Prime Simple Solution..Peg them to Fed Rate 2-3% above..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Sep 30, 2008 2:18 PM   
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We can solve the Sub Prime and Alt Prime part of this crisis by simply Pegging them at 2-3% above the Fed Rate and forgiving all penalties to date 1/2 of which are illegal anyway if not even more than half...not to go below a set rate like 6.25%..

The vast majority of borrowers can afford this and so stay in their houses and homes and the lenders would not lose any money..


Best of all not one dime of Tax Payers money would be involved..not one dime..!

This would then make them no longer toxic and lift the value of the packages they are bundled in..

As long as Bush and Paulson were waving these multi-hundreds of billions in bail out money in the lenders faces they would never agree to this but faced with real loses they should go along pretty quick..!

This is the fairest most equitable solution, and it can always be reviewed in 3-5 years..and many of these folks if need be can sell their houses by then as well..

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America wants to control their own destiny
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Sep 30, 2008 2:19 PM   
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I don't think you get it. America wants Wall Street to fail and I support that decision.

The first time I became painfully aware that Wall Street controlled this country was during the Carter Administration. That's when we watched the FED raise prime interest rates to over tweenty percent and begin the dismantling of America's domestic industrial base for a Global economy. (In case you have forgotten, our last trade surplus was during the Carter administration.)

In real simple but accurate terms, Wall Street represents and promotes investment in the global economy. The enemy of the global economy are legitimate, prosperous domestic economies.

America used to have a legitimate prosperous domestic economy, not any more. Wall Street (the puppet masters) used their puppets (the government) to destroy our prosperity and way of live. Then they came in and bought the pieces they wanted for pennies on a dollar.

You do not throw your executioner a life jacket when he slips off the boat, to save him from drowning. You either let it drown or you shoot it in the head to make sure it doesn't survive. Then if you want, you can feed on the carcas if that is your choice.

Jay Lindberg
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Its Not Over and Yet Is...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Sep 30, 2008 2:26 PM   
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Do not think that the people pushing for this bailout will take it hands down, their will be more political pressure on the Nay-Sayers. However, in some sense it is over. How so? Those who Paulson-Bush-Fed Trio decides who still belongs and who will go under, may hopefully spur revolution and the shattering of illusions as to who is a real friend of the elite and who has been used. Greed divides, Hate Divides... This is the beginning of the end for the elite, if we continue to say NO! If people are united and say NO again and if they let it pass than you have reason to fear revolution from the people...

These guys walk on a tight rope, one wrong move is political and economic suicide for them and their backers. I say lets push these elitists off their tight rope!

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We Are Beginning... They Are Ending...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Sep 30, 2008 2:31 PM   
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Do not think that the people pushing for this bailout will take it hands down, their will be more political pressure on the Nay-Sayers. However, in some sense it is over. How so? Those who Paulson-Bush-Fed Trio decides who still belongs and who will go under, may hopefully spur revolution and the shattering of illusions as to who is a real friend of the elite and who has been used. Greed divides, Hate Divides... This is the beginning of the end for the elite, if we continue to say NO! If people are united and say NO again and if they let it pass than you have reason to fear revolution from the people...

These guys walk on a tight rope, one wrong move is political and economic suicide for them and their backers. I say lets push these elitists off their tight rope! Put a bit of pressure on the line!

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Dow closes up 485 points
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 30, 2008 2:33 PM   
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Well, the sky isn't falling today!

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» RE: Dow closes up 485 points Posted by: EncinoM
Today's Market response
Posted by: truthlover on Sep 30, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Interestingly, the Stock Markets listed by the BBC Marketwatch ticker:

FTSE 100
Dow Jones
Nasdaq
Dax
Cac 40
S&P 500
BBC Global 30

ALL show an upturn from yesterday. Yesterday the Dow dropped by 777 points, and today it is up by 485.

You would have thought (from the hype) that yesterday's news of the bailout being defeated would have been so "catastrophic" that the markets would have continued on their downward path.

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But there's an easy fix
Posted by: TheLimit on Sep 30, 2008 2:35 PM   
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All they have to do is take the 700 bil and pay off the mortgages. That will insure the solvency of the lending institutions as well as keep people in their homes.

One way or another this mess is goting to cause the taxpayers a bundle, and if that's going to happen, I'd rather my end was spread over the whole mess, not just bailing out the fat cats.

It's not going to happen, of course. The only possible transfer of assets in this country is from lower to upper, but it's a nice thought.

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To heck with Wal Street
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Sep 30, 2008 2:48 PM   
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Who cares about Wall Street? I sure dont! All I care about is food on my table and gas in my stupid tank! Everything else is a moot point. The banks dug their own hole now let them get out on their own. NOT MY PROBLEM.

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» I'm with you Posted by: TREEGUY
» Me, too! Posted by: countingdaisies
PAULSON’S BAIL-OUT BILL IS UNDESIRABLE AND UNNECESSARY!
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 30, 2008 3:29 PM   
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When Congress meets on Thursday, the Paulson Bail-Out Legislation should not be accepted in any form! Purchasing paper that the market says is worthless is no solution at all. Setting fair prices while avoiding graft and fraud will be very costly and probably impossible. Recent bail-outs have already cost the US taxpayers about $700bn. This bill will increase US debt to about $12 trillion while doing nothing to prevent further consolidation and restructuring by US banks.

Foreign lenders now hold about 40% of US debt. This bill may reassure them for a short while until they see that US debt continues to increase while GDP declines. It may delay but will certainly not prevent a recession in the US. This bill will reward and encourage further irresponsible behavior by bankers and investors. In effect this bail-out will transfer $700bn from the poorest 90% (taxpayers) to prevent losses incurred by the richest 10% (the wealthy investors who hold debt derivatives and shares in these investment banks). In addition to transferring public wealth to political friends of both parties in the Wall Street community (consulting fees will be huge), this bill will severely limit spending on social programs for many years to come! There is a better alternative.

Perhaps in anticipation of possible rejection of the Paulson plan, the five big investment banks: Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, have morphed into regular banks. In effect, the investment banks have increased their asset base while transferring their bad debt assets to commercial banks. I expect the bank executives believe the government will be less willing to allow these banks to fail.

The Paulson bill is not required! If these new banks require additional liquidity, existing regulations allow them to borrow from the Fed and/or sell assets to raise this capital themselves. If no private investors are interested and if one of these banks is unable to operate at a profit, we should allow that bank to fail and let any remaining assets be purchased by other investors. In the event that the remaining banks (including the many regional banks) are unable to provide consumer loans and adequate operating capital to US businesses, then and only then should the federal government buy or establish a national bank for this purpose.

Meanwhile we need to re-establish and enforce investment banking regulations. Also we need an independent investigation to understand how and why the investment banks and government got us into this liquidity crisis so it can be prevented in future. It is possible that stock manipulation and outright fraud has been committed in recent months.

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Republicans Poker stunt
Posted by: Falang on Sep 30, 2008 3:40 PM   
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No one is talking about the poker stunt from the republican congressmen, they bate the democrats saying that they have the votes for the bailout thinking that the majority of the democrats will vote for the bailout and than they can vote no for a bailout they wanted to pass without voting for it because it’s not popular with voters. Bate the democrats to pass the bill and pull the rug under their feet.
By doing that they also make the poker stunt of McSame crash, very bad move for McSame.

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» Poker Game Posted by: Cathyc
My goal
Posted by: fanchmd on Sep 30, 2008 3:59 PM   
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My goal is to cut conservative free market ideology down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.

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» RE: My goal Posted by: macdon1
Let em burn!!!
Posted by: TREEGUY on Sep 30, 2008 4:05 PM   
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I know it will be hard times. I keep hearing that main street will suffer (like that's new). These guys do not care one bit about the little guy. Let the people that made the mess clean it up.
I hear on the news how countries are asking America to fix the problem. So who is holding them back from lending a helping hand.
I am sick and tired of big corps getting big breaks.

LET EM BURN!!!!!!

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» You got it right! Posted by: countingdaisies
Lets not forget freedom of speech
Posted by: realrufus on Sep 30, 2008 7:15 PM   
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Oddly enough it may just be the internet that caused the bailout to be rejected. It's essentially free no matter how much you use it, unlike old fashioned telephones and actually going to meet people. It can react to a situation publically that would make politicians envious. The underground press is alive and well and communicates freely and honestly (well everyone has a little bias). You can be sure that the instigators of this financial crisis are really worried that this intertnet thing might just be the ruin of oligarchy and the future of true Democracy.

Alternet rules!

Good article by the way

Rufe

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Amazing
Posted by: jnick on Sep 30, 2008 7:45 PM   
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Jeepers, I didn't know there were so many qualified economists commenting at AlterNet, or I would've sought counsel here a year ago and avoided the slippage in my IRA. Hell, I coulda cashed in while the gettin' was good.

Unfortunately, that was not the case. All the geniuses here apparently didn't see this coming; odd, in that they now have the solutions to this mess.

The hysteria in this country has reached a pitch that grows deafening. I know that we haven't been listening to each other for years - we only hear each other parroting what we want to hear - but I'm beginning to think that we've become deaf to ourselves. Kinda like the old couple that constantly squabbles because both have tuned the other out after so many years of living together.

Ranting and raving in a comment area does little to ameliorate the political/economic situation. Step away from your computers very slowly.

Now, quickly-go-agitate-with-your-friends-and-neighbors to-change-your-little-piece-of-the-world!

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How Sad The Reality
Posted by: bessie on Sep 30, 2008 10:30 PM   
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I've tried to read as much as I could and have listened to as much as I could. I've watched my husband's business dry up with the real estate market and I've endured the humiliation of trying to get a loan at a bank when I thought it would have been a given. So, to me, much of this news is rather old. What is being proposed with this bailout is quite muddled. The real problem is the credit crunch and the inability to sell or buy or to get credit. That's the reality. So people who scream "Let it burn" - what are they talking about? Our credit, our homes, or the ability to sell? Reminds me of the times during the MLK riots when people burned down their very own community grocery stores. Guess what? They were never rebuilt. I'm not sure what the answers are here exactly but if prices reach rock bottom then for sure the very rich will win as they buy every piece of land and property for that rock bottom price. So let's get real about what might work and how we can get the job done without hurting everyone else who had nothing to do with situation but to have a 401K .

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The BS Bailout is not the answer
Posted by: macdon1 on Sep 30, 2008 10:42 PM   
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The credit market is being held hostage to try and force the taxpayers to accept the bailout. It's a matter of who blinks first. I read the bill AND I DON'T LIKE IT. There is nothing in it for the majority of us.
Keep saying no people!!!

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Payday Loan Advocate for Alternet.org
Posted by: davidnofaxpaydayloan on Sep 30, 2008 11:15 PM   
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With our economy falling behind, the war on terror, pork barreling legislation, corruption, and criminal activity on the rise, payday loans should be the last thing on politicians’ minds. Yet, for some reason, high profile politicians like Obama are focusing on this issue. Some states have banned them, such as Georgia and North Carolina, and more are in the process. Instead of fixing the important issues, they are trying to take out the payday loan industry for personal and political gain. Payday loans are simply for short term financial assistance for the all-American family to cover some cost that wasn’t budgeted or an emergency that they couldn’t pay for at that moment. They provide help to citizens during these financially troubling times with loans that the government otherwise couldn’t provide themselves. Stop the potential loss of thousands of jobs and the loss of a viable financial option by voicing your opinion to the legislature, before a nationwide ban becomes in effect.


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» What? Are you being sarcastic? Posted by: countingdaisies
Do You have The Corage to save America?
Posted by: drblack on Oct 1, 2008 3:11 AM   
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If you believe in Freedom,The United States and the Constitution you will put your money where your mouth is.
Freedom is gained by people willing to die for it. All you have to do is risk money.
This is your chance to take back your country.
Do you have the courage to stand up for Freedom and America?

No bailout unless regular Americans are given help,regulations are placed on ALL financial systems(hedge funds included.)
Bankruptcy law is put back to where it was before it was changed a few years ago in favor of the credit card companies. No one should go broke getting medical attention and strict limits are placed on interest.
Foreclosures are to be stopped and loans renegotiated.
No business can be "Too Big To Fail" and those that are to be broken up.
Business must pay its taxes and NO ONE can have secret off-shore accounts.
Those who created this mess should be investigated and treated like the criminals they are. No more shielding of the rich.
There must be harsh penalties for anyone who breaks laws related to finance.

This is your chance to save the USA and restore Freedom,Justice and the Constitution.

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WHAT SHOCK? WHAT DEFEAT? there was no defeat...
Posted by: ashbaines on Oct 1, 2008 8:51 AM   
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WAIT JUST A MINUTE -- Bush and the FED pumped $630 billion into the sytem Monday morning... just before the vote. Not a peep anywhere but a Bloomberg story... like the weather.

The NEXT DAY - Bush signs a $630 billion dollar spending bill... WHAT? we are supposed to think it's the same money?

And now we are still hearing about the $700 billion bailout.

They've spent 1 TRILLION, 260 BILLION in TWO DAYS !?!?!? and they want MORE????

Why are these men still breathing? -- Where are the gallows? the pitchforks?--the Jacobins??? --

NOt a PEEP anywhere but Crooks & Liars and Bloomberg.... not a fucking peep!!

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