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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

The Fiscally Insane Bailout Bill Might Not Pass -- Here Are 5 Reasons It Shouldn't

By David Sirota, Blog for Our Future. Posted September 29, 2008.


The scheme would force taxpayers to absorb the pain, while Wall Street execs reap the gain.
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There was news Sunday afternoon of a congressional deal to bailout Wall Street fat cats with $700 billion of taxpayer cash (you can read the draft legislation here). Though the deal negotiated between congressional leaders and the White House is better than what Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson originally proposed early last week, it remains an insulting atrocity, having omitted even basic aid to homeowners, bankruptcy reforms and any modicum of future financial industry regulation. Now, the New York Times reports that the Democratic leadership may not have the votes to pass this bailout. So without further ado, here are the top 5 reasons (in no order) why every single member of Congress -- Democrat and Republican -- should vote this sucker down. Please feel free to copy and paste this post into an email to your congressperson. They are deciding right now -- let them hear your voice.

1.This Bailout's Inherent Fiscal Insanity Could Make Problem Worse

When an individual consumer uses a new credit card to pay off astounding debt from an old credit card, it's akin to check kiting, which is is illegal. Apparently, though, when the government does it, it's billed as Serious Public Policy. Because that's what this supposedly prudent bailout bill would do: Force taxpayers to borrow $700 billion from foreign banks to pay off the bad debt of Wall Street banks. During a crisis that is aimed at preventing interest rates from skyrocketing, nobody has been able to explain how adding almost a trillion dollars to the interest rate-exacerbating national debt would do anything other than undermine the plan's underlying objective. Worse, the U.S. Treasury Department itself admits that the $700 billion number is "not based on any particular data point" -- that is, they created it out of thin air because "We just wanted to choose a really large number." Slapping that amount of money onto the national credit card when our government can't even justify the amount is beyond absurd -- it is insane.

It didn't have to be this way, of course. As I noted in my newspaper column this week, Senator Bernie Sanders proposed a temporary tax on millionaires to finance part of this bailout. Similarly, Blue Dog Democrats proposed a future tax on financial firms if and when taxpayers lose cash on the deal. These proposals were discarded in favor of language asking the government to "submit a plan to Congress on how to recoup any losses," according to the Associated Press. Not only is that language toothless, but it opens up the possibility of a plan being submitted that says we should raise middle-class taxes or slash middle-class social programs to pay for Wall Street's misbehavior.

2. Experts on both the left and right say this bailout could make things worse

Primum non nocere is the latin phrase for "first do no harm" -- the priority principle for any EMT working on a sick patient. It should be the same priority for Congress at this moment -- and a growing group of esteemed experts on both the Right and Left are insisting that this bailout bill could make things worse. Here's a review:

  • The Washington Post reported on Friday, almost 200 academic economists "have signed a petition organized by a University of Chicago professor objecting to the plan on the grounds that it could create perverse incentives, that it is too vague and that its long-run effects are unclear."
  • NYU's Nouriel Roubini, the visionary who had been predicting this meltdown, says "The Treasury plan (even in its current version agreed with Congress) is very poorly conceived and does not contain many of the key elements of a sound and efficient and fair rescue plan."
  • Harvard's Ken Rogoff, a Former Federal Rerserve and IMF official, insists that the prospect of this bailout is, unto itself, taking a manageable problem and making it into a more intense crisis. He says that credit is frozen primarily because banks want to avoid dealing with other banks that might drive a hard bargain, and instead would rather wait for free money from the government. Without the prospect of that free money, Rogoff suggests that credit would probably begin moving again, if slowly.
  • Dean Baker of the Center on Economic and Policy Research says that spending so much cash so quickly on such a poorly conceived plan could have the effect of making it impossible to fund economic stimulus that is the real way out of this mess. "Suppose the Paulson plan goes through," he writes. "It is virtually certain that the economy will weaken further and the number of foreclosures and people without jobs will continue to rise. This is the fallout from a collapsing housing bubble…When families respond to their loss of home equity by cutting back their consumption it will deepen the recession. In this context it might prove very important to have the resources needed to provide a substantial stimulus. [and] there is no doubt that this bailout will make further stimulus much more difficult to sell politically."

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David Sirota is a best-selling author whose newest book, "The Uprising," was just released this month. He is a fellow at the Campaign for America's Future and a board member of the Progressive States Network -- both nonpartisan organizations. His blog is at www.credoaction.com/sirota.


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How to REALLY save the economy-- and a whole lot more
Posted by: kwalla on Sep 29, 2008 12:08 AM   
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PUT PEOPLE TO WORK; FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING AND RAISE THE VALUE ON HOMES... here's how:

What we NEED to do is to stimulate the economy by spending public money to do "green remodeling" (adding insulation and other energy saving features/updates to buildings and also installing site-appropriate alternative energy generation: solar, wind). Such measures applied to both public and private property would:

- get money in the hands of skilled construction laborers who are out of work;
- reduce energy consumption and thus CO2 production as well as lower the utility bills at a time when energy prices are rising exponentially; and finally
- raise the value of residential and commercial real estate.

This is a WIN-WIN-WIN situation all around. This has been done in a very limited fashion via tax credits in the 2005 Energy Bill-- a number of which have been renewed or are currently slated to be renewed-- but we MUST increase the funding level dramatically. If the bottom line is that we need to inject significant public money into the economy in order to divert any of several different great depression-like scenarios, let us do it in a way that maximizes the benefits.

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» What? Posted by: photon's feather
» Umm, partially correct Posted by: 6399
If You Read Anything Read This :Financial Bailout: Thanks but No Thanks
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 29, 2008 12:09 AM   
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Financial Bailout: Thanks but No Thanks - What Lincoln would have said by Ellen Brown

lFinancial Bailout: Thanks but No Thanks

A must read about our financial system ...

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» what a bunch of BS Posted by: aalif ba ta tha
Plain Talk Express
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 29, 2008 12:19 AM   
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Oversight:

We're being raped and they're setting up bleachers.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Another "Nay" from Ohio!
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 29, 2008 12:33 AM   
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Kucinich, of course, is against this.

But here's an amusing way of looking at it,
courtesy of Ohio Rep. Marcy Kaptur (and youtube):

Let's Play Wall Street Bailout

Granted, it may be a bit over the top for some,
but I think we could use at least one note of levity.

(Plus, there are obviously some in this country
that seem to require this type of approach.)

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» RE: Another "Nay" from Ohio! Posted by: photon's feather
» Dont forget the House Republicans Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» "Let's Play Wall Street Bailout" Posted by: itzamirakul
QUESTION: Why is Bush grinning in the article's accompanying photograph on the home page?
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 29, 2008 12:38 AM   
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ANSWER: Because one group the bailout won't hurt is his treasonous neocon family

When Bush 41 was President Nixon's CIA chief, he formed the renegade conservative "Committee on Present Danger" -- predecessor of the rightwing extremist organization, "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC), founded years later by arch conservative Bill Kristol.

As president, Bush 41 fostered the imperialistic "New World Order" agenda that became a PNAC hallmark. Formed in 1997, PNAC advocated the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and dominating the world with U.S. military power. Jeb Bush, acting as the family surrogate, was a PNAC founder.

Also during the Bush 41 administration, the current no-bid DOD contract scam was created by Dick Cheney, then Secretary of Defense who later became a PNAC founder, along with his fellow Iraq invasion advocates, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby. All four enriched themselves with lucrative investments in military/industrial complex stocks.

After Big George lost his reelection bid, he joined the private investment firm, Carlyle Group, managed by PNAC member Frank Carlucci, former Reagan DOD Secretary.

Since its formation and primarly because of Iraq War 2, the Carlyle Group has reportedly earned Bush 41 almost a billion dollars on his original investment. Much of that wealth will be go to first son Dub-ya, who, not coincidentally, pushed for repeal of the "Death" (inheritance) tax.

One thing you can say about the Bushes. They know how to get rich -- at America's expense.

Finally, if you are an undecided voter, learn about the REAL John McCain and his so-called "heroic" war record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)

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Interesting Times
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 29, 2008 1:00 AM   
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Put yourself in the shoes of our beleaguered lawmakers. There sat Henry Paulson - representing the most incompetent, corrupt administration since the invention of dirt; an administration that lied the American people into an unecessary war that has thus far led to the deaths of a million people; an administration that has subverted the Constitution; an administration that squandered an astronomical monetary surplus on a tax cut for a class of people who already has more money than they knew what to do with; an administration that tried ro do away with habeaus corpus; an administration that has engaged in political persecutions - and this asshole wants the American people to entrust him with three quarters of a trillion dollars.

Gosh, we live in interesting times! We really do!
Someone has accurately described it as privatized profit and socialized loss. How much more proof do the clueless American people need? The mask has been yanked away from the phantom of this stupid operetta and the real, ugly face of the so-called "Reagan Revolution" is revealed for all to behold. THEY are allowed to run roughshod through our social and economic infrastucture. WE are expected to clean up THEIR mess.THEY walk away from the economic carnage relatively unscathed, their tax cuts and quarterly dividend checks still firmly in place, while WE are left to bear the burden of THEIR greed and recklessness. Fuck THEM!

We must confront the ominous truth that what happened on Wall Street on September 15, 2008 was only the dawn of what I fear will prove to be years of hardship for the people of the United States and the world. You can take that to the bank....

On second thought, stuff it under your mattress.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
APOCALIPSTICK NOW

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» RE: Interesting Times Posted by: johnjmccarthy
» Laugh so you do not cry Posted by: Grandma Crabby
Bad News
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 29, 2008 1:08 AM   
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We must confront the ominous truth that what happened on Wall Street on September 15, 2008 was only the dawn of what I fear will be years, possibly decades of hardship for the people of the United States and the world. You can take that th the bank....

....On second thought, stuff it under your mattress.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
APOCALIPSTICK NOW

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» Forgive the double posting.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Bad News Posted by: weathered
Doom and gloom
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Sep 29, 2008 1:12 AM   
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Our government has seriously proven itself to be both utterly irresponsible and utterly inept. Both the executive and legislative branches (Dems and Repugs) treat taxpayer dollars like money grows on trees. When a Treasury spokesperson responded to how the $700 million dollars was chosen for bailout, the response was: we just decided to throw out a 'large' figure.....Add to that the automakers bailout and increased funding for the war (which has been largely unnoticed) and it is clear that our republic run by lunatics is in charge of the asylum. It should be clear by now that this is not a democracy nor a democratically run republic - it's throwing money around like you're playing monopoly dollars.

How about we just eliminate any federal income tax on taxpayers who earn under $100,000. Eliminate all state income tax across the board. Tax large corporations and individuals who earn over 100,000, with a graduated index. Institute universal health care for all citizens and stop spending billions of dollars on all the elaborate military bases, overseas state department employees, ambassadors, and the like. What do they do, anyway?

Our elected officials have already judged Americans to be beyond stupid - this is why McSame/Palin can keep lying over and over and over and not expect to be called on it. News anchors like Brokaw act like they have lost their minds - overseas citizens cannot believe someone like Rush Lindbaugh is even allowed to have a hatemongering program like he has.

Is there any point in even bothering to vote? If you can believe RFK, Jr.'s article about voter fraud which is going to occur in 08, we might as well give up. No one in Congress cares enough to even address this issue with Diebold. Yet congressmen/women want to rush back to their districts to campaign. The way I see it - only about a forth of the Congress should be returned to their positions.

Americans - where are your spines? What does it take to unite the middle class to stand up and find your voices - take to the streets in every city in the US or converge on Washington - this is our last chance!

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» Mea culpa, georgiaorwell! Posted by: photon's feather
A Trillion 4 WAR, A Trillion 4 The Money Lenders, sounds Kosher to me!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 29, 2008 4:16 AM   
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Raa, Ra, Shiz, Boom, Baa!
Click your heels and
Kick your Boot
Into the Ass of the
Middle Class
The C.E.O.s are Laughing
All the way to their Bank

The Largest Transfer of wealth in
The History of The World!
To the Cor-pirate C.E.O.s.

Time to get off:
The Cor-pirate Merry Go Round of
Lies, Spies, Torture and Deceit.
The System is broken,
The pipes have Burst!
There is a hole in the Economic Bucket
The Wealthy are siphoning all the Wealth.
When someone has all the chips in a Poker Game
The Game is Over.

Insatiable Greed and Corruption will never fulfill our needs.
The are the victims,
The Patsy,
The Poverty, Bodies and broken Families are everywhere.
We live in an occupied Country.
When we ask for accountability
The Black Army bashes in your head
In the Middle of Main Street.
When the Police arrest U.S. instead of serving and protecting us.
What good are they?
Pull the Plug
Our Government is 80% Privatized
It is a shambles
When Corporations run Government
It is FASCISM.

BUSH/CHAINY/McCRIPT
Are Aristo-Trash
They swear allegiance to their class:
Billionaires-R-Us.
They’ve been causing problems since the 70’s
What did you expect?
That’s their JOB!
Oil gouge after Oil gouging,
Torture after Terror,
Lying after spying,
Disaster after Disaster,
Tax Cut after Tax Cuts,
War after WAR,
Scam after scams,
Bailout after Bailouts,
Banking scandal after banking scandals!
Anyone else would be FIRED!
They give themselves a pat on the back and a Raise.
Socialized Medicine, Cor-pirate Welfare, Pensions and Bailouts are good for them but,
None for you.
Sorry!
We’re Broke.

You pay the bills and they get all the benefits.
Good for them and
Very Bad for you.
When will it stop?

When we STOP them!
They work for their own self interest.
They have broken the BANK!
When we try to exercise our Rights as Citizens we are treated like Criminals.
What’s that all about?
They are the CRIMINALS!
You are the victim.

We have tried everything, else.
SHUT IT DOWN!

STRIKE!

All you have to loose:
Is your Fear.

When the Horse is Dead,
GET OFF!
KICK the Horse Thief and the Forty Thieves
Out of The Black House.

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

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Paulson must go
Posted by: Democritus on Sep 29, 2008 4:19 AM   
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Henry Paulson is the front man for the biggest ripoff yet contemplated by this inept administration. As former CEO of Goldman Sachs, he knows who really butters his bread. After January 20 he plans to slink back to his former firm. Well, why don't we insist that he go back early and try to clean up the mess there? To have him in charge of a taxpayer bailout for banks is like having Adolf Eichmann judging the fate of Nazi war criminals.

We've heard this plaintive wail, "The sky is falling down," before--when the Bush administration argued for invading Iraq. The Chicken Littles in Congress went along then--with disastrous results--and now they're about to be taken in again. The solution to this so-called crisis is simple: Do nothing. Let the banks sort out their bad paper, take their losses, fold if they have to, and let the government pick up the pieces. Once the bankers see that they're not going to get any more free money, they'll take their lumps and the credit crisis will eventuallly take care of itself. After all, the greed of the investment bankers in marketing their deceptive derivatives is what caused the problem. Stern medicine is needed now so they won't be tempted to create another bubble somewhere else.

What's needed is a new Treasury Secretary who's not connected to the banks or investment companies. The stick he should wield to make the bankers clean up their own mess is the threat of nationalizing any bank that won't or can't cooperate. It had to be done with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It might have to be done with other private banks, as well. If we're going to have to pay for the pie, we shouldn't let the bankers eat it.

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» RE: Paulson must go Posted by: sliver
not enough pandering? please
Posted by: davescott on Sep 29, 2008 4:27 AM   
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You write "America is a country where our leaders dishonestly invoke the concepts of "Statesmanship" and "Seriousness" and their supposed hatred of "pandering" to justify ignoring what the public wants."

If this country suffers from a shortage of pandering, it's sure news to me.

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» and you're in what grade? Posted by: photon's feather
omission
Posted by: davescott on Sep 29, 2008 4:34 AM   
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What is cheap about your column is your failure to acknowledge that this bailout isn't a politically motivated move. There's nothing in it for anybody. That doesnt necessarily make it the right move, of course, but the nastiness of your tone is not appropriate to the difficulty these leaders face.

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» RE: omission Posted by: Symp
» RE: omission Posted by: dmstern
» RE: omission Posted by: Lauren
Welcome to the Future
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 29, 2008 4:34 AM   
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This whole hyped up and manufactured crisis is helping the moneyed class tighten its grip on the power structure of the US. As it has been mentioned once again in this article, we don't even know just whaat the "crisis" is, nor do we know how much money is "needed" to bail out these parasites.

Obviously, something has gone very wrong here, but no one in the government, including our beloved presidential candidates, wants to see that the problem is rooted in the very structure of our financial system. The whole thing is run by people who behave as if they're playing the roulette wheel at Vegas. This has to stop, obviously. Endless borrowing has made the US a nation of debtors, and this entire mentality, of "speculation" and spending money you do not have is destroying it more certainly than any phantom "terrorists." The US is weak and ripe for picking by the fascists, who probably planned it that way all along.

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» RE: Welcome to the Future Posted by: Lauren
cocacolocao
Posted by: cocacolocao on Sep 29, 2008 4:38 AM   
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The Fiscally Insane Bailout Bill Might Not Pass -- Here's 5 Reasons It Shouldn't

A: There is only one clear reason it shouldn't.
This is the perfect opportunity to remove the empty heads of the ruling elite who got us into this mess, once and for all, without bloodshed. Fuck it, I pay my taxes, I wanna see these assholes throw 'emselves out of windows. I want the family trusts dissolved, i want the estates redistributed to the homeless, and the GI's who went away and died for a system the system wasn't even prepared to look after, wdf?

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Fascist Capitalism?
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 29, 2008 5:02 AM   
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It is obvious that they've discovered fear is a very effective tool in manipulating the public and in silencing dissent. What has worked so well since 9/11 now will work in the economic sector, and we will see the shift to fascism complete itself as it occurs in all segments of our society.

This administration has reinstated fear in all facets of American life. When people are afraid, they can be conrolled. Couple that with simple repetition of propagandistic misinformation, and voila! The sheep are lining up for the slaughter.

It's going to happen because most people in the US just don't care. They don't want to know anything, they believe that what is happening does not and will not affect them. This makes it easy to vote for a vapid, brainless Nazi hockey mom and her political sugar daddy, or for the corporate lackey/disaster capitalist masquerading as a populist and his militaristic running mate. Well, they either don't care or else they don't believe there's anything they can do about it. So much for democracy, in any event. They've taken our civil liberties, brought back racism and bigotry, glorified anti-intellectualism, made "elite" a dirty word, and now they're going to take our money in the ultimate ponzi scheme. Brilliant.

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» RE: Fascist Capitalism? Posted by: Lauren
Bearing The Bailout Burden
Posted by: melpol on Sep 29, 2008 5:07 AM   
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The billions given to fearless gamblers in the banking system will have to be paid back by somebody but it wont be by the bankers who lost the money--it will be by hard working taxpayers. They will have to pay more taxes and also see the spending power of their dollar cut in half. The poor will also contribute by having to pay more for food, electricity, clothing, and everything.
One suggestion is for the IRS to keep income tax refunds next year and use it to fund the Wall Street bailout package. Others say the wealthy should return the money that they have made in the last twenty years of prosperity---they must share the responsibility for our governments huge national debt.
Most agree a bailout was necessary to prevent a financial meltdown and a worldwide depression. But it also means life in America will not be the same for at least the next ten years until the cost of the trillion dollar bailout is paid in full. Until then we must do our best to survive by working hard and pay our share of the national debt knowing that one day we will be free and clear.
melpol

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remember the bankruptcy reform bill of 2005
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Sep 29, 2008 5:20 AM   
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Something of a double standard here as we are asked for more than half a trillion to prop up failing business. How about concern for failing households?

Remember how the new Congress of 2005 rushed to pass the bankruptcy reform bill of 2005, aka the credit industry wish list. And it wasn't just the Republicans acting en bloc to continue squeezing the public - New Democrats wrote to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert urging him to advance the bill.

Judging from its place on the schedule, this action was far more important at the time than 1) basic health care for the 1 in 6 uninsured in this country 2) ending the war in Iraq with its terrible human cost and $11 billion per month price tag 3) regulating out-of-control lenders.

The major cause of personal bankruptcy per the Harvard bankruptcy study - medical bills.

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» See: Joe Biden Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 29, 2008 5:24 AM   
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From here in Europe it appears most important:

1. that taxpayer's money should not be risked to feather the nests of those bankers and derivatives inventors who are responsible for what is after all sheer dishonesty (knowingly repackaging bad stuff with good - think Chinese baby food). Such a precedent would be most deleterious for us in Europe (and indeed elsewhere in the world).

2. That the houseowner 'purchasers' of sub- prime mortgages, talked into taking out what they could not properly afford (typically the least wealthy, least educated, least capable of seeing the risk they were taking on)should not suffer where the really guilty get away with it. An effort must be made to identify all of the sub-prime mortgages, purchase them dirt cheap through the Fed. and then renegotiate for each the interest rates to what can be afforded. Keeping people in their houses, ending their nightmare, is first and foremost the way to help the economy - once houseowners feel safe an house prices stabilise, spending on main street will keep up.
please see our website: www.dipconsult.eu

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» RE: dipconsult Posted by: VZEQICVA
Nice
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 29, 2008 5:29 AM   
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I think the bailout is stupid

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Yup
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 29, 2008 5:39 AM   
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Stupid is as Stupid does! makes sense to me.

Privacy-Center

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Socialism
Posted by: vicentelll on Sep 29, 2008 5:43 AM   
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I started as an activist Jan.1969. During that time and for the next 15 years everything we did for the workers, the unions, the orgs. for groups, everything, was called socialism. Even when Hillary wanted universal health care it was call socialism. What do you call this bailout if not a form of socialism for the the few at the top. Tlamatini-vicente

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Can Americans Resist?
Posted by: had-enough on Sep 29, 2008 5:49 AM   
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The real question here is do enough American voters have the balls to vote against the people who are doing this?

My Senator, Durbin, is supposedly one of the most liberal in Congress, but if this bailout passes, I'm voting against him, regardless of how he votes, because I know he won't have done anything proactive to stop it--there will be no Durbin filibuster, for instance, you can bet on that. On top of no impeachment, no more attempt at reform, etc. I've had it with him. He hasn't done anything to prove to me that he's working to change things--he and the others simply vote the paths of least resistance.

Will others do the same? I think not, and things will stay just the same. The American peoples' pitchforks and torches are made of tissue paper: lots of whining, and no definitive action, not even in their voting.

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If Bush can get these idiots' attention with empty threats,...
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 29, 2008 5:57 AM   
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why can't we?!

First, let me say that I have always been registered as an Independent.

I am calling the Democratic 'Leadership' in both the House and the Senate and identifying myself as a Democrat. I am telling them that, if the House/Senate (as applicable) passes this outrage, I will vote third party in November. (I suppose that means Cynthia McKinney.) Further, I will not vote for a Representative that votes for this catastrophe - even if it means voting Republican. (I hope that doesn't stick in my throat!)

Then, (oh, were there a god to help me!), I am doing the same with the Republicans - with the modifications: I will vote for Ron Paul; for the House: I will vote for the Democrat.

Naturally, I haven't forgotten Obama and McCain. They are at the top of the list.

Link to Leadership names and positions in both chambers:

leadership positions

Phone number for Capitol Hill switchboard: 202-224-3121

Some research turned up toll-free numbers, but I do not how which may or may not be valid. (Try them all, if you have to.)

1-800-426-8073
1-800-833-6354
1-800-862-5530
1-800-828-0498

1-866-220-0044
1-866-808-0065
1-866-340-9281

1-877-851-6437
1-877-762-8762

1-888-355-3588

Should I never post another comment: I died from saying that so times that I would vote Republican - or, worse, that I am a Republican. (Well, it's a good cause.)

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Everybody ought to grow up and accept this - the bailout is neccessary
Posted by: dmstern on Sep 29, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Its just too easy to sit on the sidelines and gripe about this bailout. Republicans never stop looking for the angles, separating themselves from responsibility - dems too ashamed to admit they've been asleep at the regulatory wheel for so long. Everyone treating the word 'government' like its a dirty word. I say this is good - it will usher in a new era of strict regulation and accountability. The 'free market rules' era is over. And what do you know, everyone comes running home to mama - big government.

Never should have left in the first place.

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» Dreaming of a new era Posted by: jon B
congress is just as guilty as wall street
Posted by: xvictor on Sep 29, 2008 6:23 AM   
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The financial lobbyists bought every one of those congresscritters and are demanding payment in full, with their bush-supplied treasury secretary as the enforcer. The congress is complying, with heads bowed.

"you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

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