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How Positive Thinking Wrecked the Economy

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Barbaraehrenreich.com. Posted September 26, 2008.


Besides greed, another habit of mind should get its share of the blame: the delusional optimism of mainstream, all-American, positive thinking.
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(A shorter version of this appears as an op ed in the New York Times yesterday.)

Greed -- and its crafty sibling, speculation -- are the designated culprits for the ongoing financial crisis, but another, much admired, habit of mind should get its share of the blame: the delusional optimism of mainstream, all-American, positive thinking. As promoted by Oprah, scores of megachurch pastors, and an endless flow of self-help bestsellers, the idea is to firmly belief that you will get what you want, not only because it will make you feel better to do so, but because thinking things, "visualizing" them -- ardently and with concentration -- actually makes them happen. You will be able to pay that adjustable rate mortgage or, at the other end of the transaction, turn thousands of bad mortgages into giga-profits, the reasoning goes, if only you truly believe that you can.

Positive thinking is endemic to American culture -- from weight loss programs to cancer support groups -- and in the last two decades it put down deep roots in the corporate world as well. Everyone knows that you won't get a job paying more than $15 an hour unless you're a "positive person" -- doubt-free, uncritical, and smiling -- and no one becomes a CEO by issuing warnings of possible disaster.

According to a rare skeptic, a Washington-based crisis management consultant I interviewed on the eve of the credit meltdown in 2007, even the magical idea that you can have whatever you truly want has been "viral" in the business culture. All the tomes in airport bookstores' business sections scream out against "negativity" and advise the reader to be at all times upbeat, optimistic and brimming with confidence -- a message companies relentlessly reinforced by treating their white collar employees to manic motivational speakers and revival-like motivational events. The top guys, meanwhile, would go off to get pumped up in exotic locales with the likes of success guru Tony Robbins. Those who still failed to get with the program could be subjected to personal "coaching" or of course, shown to the door.

The same frothy wave of mandatory optimism swept through the once-sober finance industry. On their websites, scores of motivational speakers proudly list companies like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch among their clients. Angelo Mozilo, the former CEO of Countrywide Mortgage whose subprime ventures precipitated the entire crisis, was known for his congenital optimism and described in the Guardian earlier this year as "absurdly upbeat" even as his industry unraveled. No one was psychologically prepared for hard times, when they hit, because, according to the tenets of positive thinking, even to think of trouble is to bring it on. In May, the New York Times reported that Merrill, caught up short, was suddenly trying to "temper the Pollyannas in its ranks," and force its analysts to occasionally say the word "sell."

For those at the very top of the corporate hierarchy, all this positive thinking must not have seemed delusional at all. They actually could have almost anything they wanted, just by expressing the desire. CEO compensation has ballooned in recent years, creating the new class of billionaires and centi-millionaires who inhabit Lear jets and four-figure a night hotel rooms, who can dispatch a private plane to pick up a favorite wine, or a pet, they happen to have left in the Hamptons. According to a new book from the UK, Unjust Rewards by Polly Toynbee and David Walker, these masters of the universe tend to be seriously uninformed about how the other 99 percent lives and, Toynbee told me, often uncomprehending of the financial operations -- the derivatives, CDS's, etc. -- that their wealth is derived from. If you live in a bubble of perfect wish-fulfillment, how could you imagine that, for example, some poor fellow in Cleveland might run up against unexpected medical bills or car problems that could waylay his mortgage payments?

Americans did not start out as deluded optimists. The original ethos, at least of white Protestant settlers and their descendents, was a grim Calvinism that offered wealth only through hard work and savings, and even then made no promises at all. You might work hard and still fail; you certainly wouldn't get anywhere by adjusting your attitude or dreamily "visualizing" success. Calvinists thought "negatively" as we would say today, carrying a weight of guilt and foreboding that sometimes broke their spirits. It was in response to this harsh ethos that positive thinking arose -- among mystics, lay healers, and transcendentalists -- in the 19th century, with its crowd-pleasing message that God, or the universe, is really on your side, that you can actually have whatever you want, if the wanting is focused enough.

When it comes to how we think, "negative" is not the only alternative to "positive." As the case histories of depressives show, consistent pessimism can be just as baseless and deluded as its opposite. The alternative to both is realism -- seeing the risks, having the courage to bear bad news, and being prepared for famine as well as plenty. Now, with our savings, our homes and our livelihoods on the line, we ought to give it a try.

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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller Nickel and Dimed. A frequent contributor to the New York Times, Harpers, and the Progressive, she is a contributing writer to Time magazine. She lives in Florida.

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Pardon me for disagreeing, but thanks to President Bush...
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 26, 2008 12:35 AM   
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"positive thinking" in America died right after 9/11.

Old Man McCain and Stupid Sarah -- wrong for America, wrong for the world
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Remember: You can't say "Analyst" without saying "Anal"
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Sep 26, 2008 1:46 AM   
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Thank you Barbara.

I have been waiting so long for someone on AlterNet to pipe up and talk about the negative effects of Self Help and Positive Thinking.

During the dot.com mania, I got a job as a QA tester in a startup (gotta love that word - what do startups do after they start up?). A QA tester tests the programs they write to see if they work properly. I made the mistake of pointing out their bugs and told them they needed to fix stuff. The other QA guy told them everything was great. Guess who kept his job? (Hint: it wasn't me.). That was when I learned the power of "Positive Thinking" and that hard work and honesty does not get you ahead in business.

I have watched so many people since the 90s get great self-esteem, who thought they could get rich and do anything. Every one of them has since crashed or died.

Yet, at the same time, I watch the Self Help section in Barnes and Noble growing out like a rampant fungus consuming every other genre in its wake (except the psychic/astrology section and chick-lit).

The result is people are getting stupider. Fewer and fewer people are interested in reading literature or learning anything that doesn't have an immediate financial reward, improve their Feng Shui or fix their love lives. Also, people are so caught up in a "Can Do" mentality that they can't see what they "Can't Do". Self Help books love telling you you are in the top 1 percent of Americans. Yet it is 99 times more likely you are in the other 99 percent somewhere. I know people who have whole libraries of Self Help books but have never read a real novel ever.

Folks, Self Help is an addiction. If you need more than one Self Help book to fix your problem, you have a Problem. Self Help books are good at defining your problem. The problem is they almost never get the right solution.

The Self Help industry has doubled and tripled in size every year since 2004. People like Deepak Chopra, Dr Wayne Dyer, Tony Robbins etc etc are all flying around in their private Learjets while suckers everywhere buy their books and healing remedies.

Self Help addicts are like gamblers going off to Vegas every weekend thinking this time they are going to hit the jackpot while they haven't bought a new pair of shoes in over a year and the rent is late. What they don't see is all the money and time they are losing. Money they could invest in something tangible and time that could be spent learning a real skill that could bring them real money.

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You can thank MSM
Posted by: weathered on Sep 26, 2008 2:25 AM   
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and the biz-press cartel:WSJ/FT...
for manipulating the myths.

Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the Lies.

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"Positive Thinking" - A Euphemism for Self-deception
Posted by: artie on Sep 26, 2008 2:55 AM   
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The "positive thinking" that rots the US society is simply self-deception: that the future will always be better (so, spend, spend, spend - who needs a savings), that I can free from myself from the HABIT of smoking by first cutting down, that I can reduce my weight by first eating low-calorie foods (I don't have to give up the 200 yard DRIVE to the grocer and start walking, or give up my pint-sized servings of ice cream, ...), that I can enjoy gardening an never have to get my hands dirty by simply driving in a stake of fertilizer next to my plants, that taking vitamins to supplement my processed-foods consumption habits is tantamount to a healthy diet, etc.
Compared to all the rubbish, the truth seems so much simpler!!

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Caesar77
Posted by: Caesar77 on Sep 26, 2008 3:08 AM   
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We Americans buy bullshit by the ton. Hell we even manufacture it by the ton. We have so much of it our leaders export it to other countries.
However most sane people see it for what it is, 'bullshit'
God bless America.

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» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: Lilykins
Reality
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 26, 2008 4:10 AM   
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The article's best point is that it's easy to be optimistic when reality doesn't affect you. That goes not just for corporate leaders, but government and other leaders as well.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the rank-and-file internalize this when they become the victims of corporate excess..."If only I had worked harder, had a better attitude, or took a few courses at the community college..." Thus, they are distracted from the political and structural realities that control their lives, as well as the crooked leadership who profit from them. Blaming the system is for hippies, communists, and sociology professors, not for hard-working, patriotic Americans.

It's absurd if you think about it: people with no resources holding themselves to a tougher standard than their leaders. Yet it seems to work as a convenient tool to maintain the status-quo. In that sense, it's bigger and more dangerous than a bunch of peppy gurus selling self-help books, leaders who don't want to face their mistakes, or even a big financial crisis. It's like a religion: If you're not healed, it's because you don't have enough faith. And if you have no faith, you're a heathen, and should be burned at the stake.

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» RE: the danger lies in lies Posted by: phoolish
Magical thinking is a sickness of religion, not just New Age
Posted by: Lilykins on Sep 26, 2008 4:28 AM   
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This isn't just a New Age problem, it's a Christian problem as well. Anyone who believes God or the Universe will come solve their problems if they sit at home and pray, or simply sit at home and "be happy" have bought into magical thinking.

True, healthy positive thinking isn't lazy or delusional, it motivates people to address their problems and take action to improve their life and community.
I've seen a lot of New-agers go from a healthy motivated state into a lazy, "I'll just sit back and let the universe handle everything" state.
I've seen many more Christians (only because I happen to know many more Christians than New-agers) who sit around doing nothing but praying because "God will take care of everything".
There is no point in singling out New-age, over Christians, the problem is wide-spread through many religions.

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Not Deluded. Refuse to despair
Posted by: 12/21/12 on Sep 26, 2008 4:42 AM   
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I've carefully followed the decline of the financial systems practiced here in the United States and this should be no surprise to any thinking individual. But is it truly surprising that as for the quest of the general populous decries their needs for more bread and circuses, the grasping for straws of sanity varied and desperate. Drugs being pushed at them via TV and demonized on 100's of cop shows nightly. The citizenry isn't being told the truth about what their government is doing nor is the "integrity of journalism" what it used to be. Find peace with yourself. It doesn't have to be done with blinders on. But think not for one second, that as I travel this adventure known as life, I'm not smiling at the contrast and diversity that makes being alive a constant realization creation expands. Thank you for the sounding board.

P.S. Improve the world. Make someone happy.

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You are wrong
Posted by: nyscof on Sep 26, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Actually, George Bush gave a speech, years ago, where he said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were going to give loans to people who were in debt and/or could not secure loans otherwise based on their credit history or their income. In other words, the very people who would be expected to default.

Back in the day, the bank told my husband and me just how much we could afford to pay for a house based on our income. Otherwise we wouldn't have a clue. We weren't even shown houses out of our price range by real estate people.

People were fooled into believing that, if the bank agreed that they could afford the mortgage, than they probably could.

I doubt the people who are in debt (the ones losing their houses) ever heard of "The Secret" or ever practiced positive thinking.

This is corporate mismanagement exacerbated by lax laws of the Republican domination. The bail our is welfare to the rich

Maybe those who mismanaged their assets and are getting bailed out, not losing their jobs, pensions or golden parachutes, but should, are the ones who have been practiced "The Secret". It seems to be working for them

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A can do attitude in hyper-consumerist society
Posted by: 6399 on Sep 26, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Is an absolute must. If the big boys didn't blow pixy dust up everyone's asses in this country, the whole system would collapse. It's more difficult to sell useless shit to people whose world view and prospects are firmly rooted in reality.

I mean, look at Big Pharma - they make heart disease & asthma seem like life affirming afflictions. I want a hot partner with whom I can fly kites in fields of sunflowers.

The biggest lie they sell us is that we can have it all through hard work and determination. No, check that. We DESERVE to have it all. That only appeared to be possible in this country, until recently anyway, because we flooded it with enough cheap liquidity that mediocre people could easily attain what they otherwise would have had to struggle for. Three thousand square foot home and three cars in the garage? No problem - you're an up and comer in the janitorial field. You deserve that Escalade.

The whole system is currently unraveling. This subprime mortgage meltdown can be directly attributed to our deeply ingrained sense of entitlement that often goes hand in hand with flag-waving patriotism.

Funny thing . . . frugality and humility used to be among the most admired traits in this country. Now it's all about how much ass crack you can expose to the public (male and female) and how much attention can you draw to yourself through ostentatious displays of wealth. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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Grand Theft Auto--Home, College Education, Retirement--Kickin' It Wall Street Style
Posted by: ritadona69 on Sep 26, 2008 5:36 AM   
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The problem wasn't positive thinking. I don't think anything new in this world would ever get created without pie-in-the-sky dreaming. These guys were unscrupulous. They were crooks. THAT was the problem. They knew they were doing something that was, at the very least, unethical. They were making money off the hopes and dreams of average Americans who were led to believe by credit agencies/mortgage brokers/banks (the so-called experts--I mean, they have access to your credit scores, after all) that they COULD afford that home/car/new roof/college education, just sign here! And these same people went to work every day to make good on that faith that the creditor had in them in extending that credit. THEY weren't trying to get something for nothing. THEY had every intention of making those payments. They WERE making those payments.


So, if the banks are lying to you, where do you go? If the investment houses are lying to you, if the credit agencies are lying to you--who's looking out for the average American taxpayer who needs a new house/car/roof/college education/credit card?

It wasn't positive thinking that brought this upon us, it was the thought that they wouldn't get caught, that there would be no consequences for their behavior.

I think that's pretty cynical. Unfortunately, it looks like they were right.

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The folly of optimism
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 26, 2008 5:55 AM   
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I've been talking about the "folly of optimism" for years, disgusted as I see the silliness of "positive thinking" and "faith" permeate every endeavor in society. Our lifestyle is unsustainable and collapse is inevitable? No problem - I have "faith" that we'll pull through. Christianity was once a religion that focused, perhaps excessively, on how bad we were - now, just drop some money in a plate, speak in tongues, and God'll make you a CEO. All the dim-witted fools on Main Street buy big houses on ARM mortgages and have dim-witted kids they can't afford, racking up hundreds of dollars each month on credit cards, but it's all right, because they think positive.

What I see happening in America now is the end of optimism and the end of "faith" as a generic palliative against reason and realism. Good riddance to both.

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» RE: The folly of optimism Posted by: HoboHomo
Positive Thinking? No. FAITH-BASED THINKING
Posted by: Phred42 on Sep 26, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Lets not loose sight of their 'reality'

These problems were caused by greed and FAITH-BASED approaches to everything.

and it has failed every time

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Isn't most liberal ideology based on
Posted by: dover23 on Sep 26, 2008 6:32 AM   
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delusional positive thinking?

i.e. the faith that authority figures will use their coercive powers for the betterment of individuals?

Of course most Alternot readers would disagree with that, but accepted, that's the nature of delusional positive thinking.

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» No Posted by: kepstein7777
I have been saying this for 15 years!
Posted by: Symp on Sep 26, 2008 6:42 AM   
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As a Franco-American dual national, I have been saying this for years. There is a lot of strength and dynamism in 'positive' thinking, but without a mature, well-balanced counter-analysis approach, all we will ever get are the ever-repeating 'boom and bust' or 'raze and rebuild' cycles. It is evident in all aspects of contemporary American culture, from outlandish individual credit debt to the quick-build architecture of residential homes and strip-malls. Another aspect of this is what I call the "Westward Ho!" mentality, whereas contrary to popular thinking, Americans are not individualistic, on average, but rather sheepish in the sense that most need to feel included within a larger group. Witness the quite effective marketing strategies centered on 'popularity' of a product: 'Toyota Camry is the best selling car [so shouldn't you buy one?]. The problem now is that perfectly valid criticisms on any given topic are not only ignored but mocked if the problem has not yet met 'critical mass', thereby defeating all natural preemptive diagnostics…

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Positive Thinking/Wish Upon A Star
Posted by: sunlakedude on Sep 26, 2008 7:23 AM   
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This "Wish Upon A Star" line of reasoning is also partnered with the desire to "Get Something For Nothing". After all, when a person buys a lotto ticket isn't that what they are really seeking? Huge riches for just a few bucks down. The fact that winning the lotto is an absurd long shot doesn't seem to matter. Pair unrealistic positive thinking with the wish to get something for nothing and you really have a disaster on your hands.

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The whole positive thinking alchemy
Posted by: alturn on Sep 26, 2008 7:31 AM   
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Actually, the original recipe went something like this:

You can have anything you want
As long as you know exactly what you want
And you persistently work for it
And are willing to pay the price

So we got what we wanted. Problem is, now we have to pay the price.

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Optimism and positive thinking, ALWAYS good!
Posted by: Todd Kimmell on Sep 26, 2008 7:41 AM   
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You're inexplicably trying to muddy 'Positive Thinking,' a self help method, and genuine positive thinking and optimism, traits that have carried me through tragedies and upheaval, and have allowed me to chase my own delightfully kooky version of the American Dream.

Practical personal economics needs to be a required course of study in high schools. Temper optimism with the practical realities of numbers crunching BEFORE you dive into something big, but NEVER suggest that optimism and positive thinking, in and of themselves, are anything less than beautiful.

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» on Contradiction Posted by: Tom Tele
marketing
Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on Sep 26, 2008 7:46 AM   
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It's all about marketing, baby. As long as you and your company LOOK good, regardless of what is going on inside, everything will be fine. It's all marketing, no content. Botox, hair implants, tanning beds, and then repairing potions to make up for all the chemicals to cover up our blemishes - that's on the personal level. Then there is the corporate level. As long as your sales team can keep moving packages - even if they are made of thin air - profits can be made.

Ever since I was a young punk and Micheal Jackson started looking really weird and doing Coke (or was it Pepsi?) commercials, I have always marveled at how lavish marketing budgets of companies must be. More recently, even as Country Wide was going down the tubes, they still ran prime time commercials, pretending that everything was still okey dokey. And we all remember the commercials during the Superbowl that one year, right before the dot com boom busted.

And so what do they sell in these lavish commercials? They sell Happiness, the same thing that religion and self-help gurus sell. In fact, they just follow the lead of our own Declaration of Independence, which lauds "The Pursuit of Happiness" as one of the unalienable rights of man, just behind "Life" and "Liberty." For some reason, the phrase got morphed from its original incarnation by John Locke as "the pursuit of property," which came from a line of thinking where property became indelibly attached to a person's status as well as to ideas about how wealth that is gained by labor of the land must be rewarded and never impinged upon - which ideology eventually ended up as Ayn Randian doublespeak about how selfishness is the highest moral code and coersed sacrifice (i.e. taxes) are evil and only encourage slackers to keep slacking... you know the drill.

What I am saying is the leaders of this nation have built a system based on the idea that by selling Happiness and Bright Futures and Looking Good no matter what, ("Mission Accomplished" - "We recommend that our employees continue to invest in Enron" - "The fundamentals of our economy are sound." !!!) and that Property equals Happiness, so the more people we sell houses to, the Happier everybody is, that we will be the Atlases of the entire frigging world, and "they will hate us for our freedom," so we will have to keep showing everyone who's the boss around here.

Well, here's a little free marketing of my own: to read excerpts on this very subject from the book I am trying to get published, go to my blog, http://julierbutler.blogspot.com/
This entry is titled, King Marketing and His Queen, Pursuit of Happiness
(then offer me a publishing deal!)

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» RE: marketing Posted by: HoboHomo
Finally
Posted by: zippoflash on Sep 26, 2008 7:55 AM   
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Thank-you Barbara for calling this B.S. down. I haven't had this much fun since I first read Voltaires' Candide.

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It wasn't "positive" thinking. It was DEVILISH thinking that empowered this mess in the first place.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 26, 2008 8:08 AM   
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People want "cheap" shit and they don't give a damn about quality. Well? This kind of mentality in the minds of the people of putting quantity over quality grew in the minds of people and businesses. And that, folks, is what empowered the "conservative" ideology. Even now, too many people in the lower/middle/working classes are deluded into believing that tax cuts for the wealthy will somehow make them as "rich" as Donald Trump even as the rising costs of living eat away what little they received of the tax cuts. Worse, some will still fall for day trading and counting on perpetual home price growth to make them "rich" even as the wages, benefits, and even their jobs get blown away. Until the American electorate unites and stops buying into the "Greed is good" Rayguneque mentality, Wall $treet will keep winning while Main Street is left holding the poverty bag.

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» Thank you. Posted by: maxpayne
Hope?
Posted by: wildbill on Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM   
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In America there is a saying and an attitude that "Hope springs eternal," from a poem by Englishman Alexander Pope in the 1700s. The Russians have a similar saying, though perhaps a bit more grim and realistic, "Hope is the last to die."

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Happy-happy craptasms
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 26, 2008 9:36 AM   
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It's all a function of the owning class. The sky's the limit... sure, when your "ground" is in the sky, it sure is the limit.

Fundamentalist Xtianity preaches this shit in abundance, Oprah has the uncanny ability to bamboozle tens of millions of 'Merkins with the secret, MSW and PhD therapists teach positivism religion in their CBT applications, Big Phram has drugs that purport to ensure you stay happy-happy... it's all sunshine to allow the owning class to keep their chokehold on the wealth of the world and ensuring that they'll be safe from retribution by those of us left with the leavings and crumbs from their tables.

Been saying it for years and now that Barb has said it, it'll still fall on deaf ears.

Quick, just vote for 'Bamarama because everything's gonna be just fine....

It's still here, the owning class delusion and mind control. You know where the owning class lives, you know their furniture burns as well as ours. Go show 'em you no longer want to drink the kool aid... I dare ya.

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» RE: Happy-happy craptasms Posted by: HoboHomo
Barbara's rant
Posted by: jrpolitics on Sep 26, 2008 9:38 AM   
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The concept of turning thousands of bad mortgages into giga-profits was not based on positive or wishful thinking, but on the speculation that you could pull one over on an unsuspecting audience for personal profit, and let others pay for it. It is really no different from knowingly selling bad merchandise, hoping that the buyer won't notice. This hope has nothing to do with positive thinking, because the speculators did not truly believe that they sold good merchandise. America's devotion to untethered individualism, which ignores any responsibility for others and for the common good, makes such behavior socially acceptable.
Their buyers may have had a vague optimism about the quality of the goods. However, this optimism has nothing to do with positive thinking, rather with the lack of thinking and with negligence. There is no evidence that a true believe was involved here. Barbara's piece reveals how realism and blame fit together.

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I disagree with this article... I think the opposite has happened...
Posted by: Prophit on Sep 26, 2008 9:46 AM   
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I think we are being brainwashed into deeply believing that we have no choices, no power to affect change, and no one to turn to. That is the work that has been done to us.... here check out what we have done to little children to make sure they grow up believing they are helpless......watch this video and then tell me what is causing our national malaise.. this current crisis is the first real awakening of Americans to their plight and their reaction which is ANGER AND THE FIRST STEP IN HEALING FROM FEAR...... Thank goodness.....

Now, how many of you have read about any of these directives in the press??? Do you feel empowered now??? NO??? That is the objective, to strip you of your BELIEF THAT YOU CAN AFFECT YOUR OWN LIFE, THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE YOU ARE THEIR PROPERTY FOR THEM TO CONTROL AS THEY WISH.... CATTLE, FODDER, HELPLESS ANIMALS TO BE HERDED AROUND.

Brainwashing children

Then check out this list and tell me again how "positive thinking" has ruined us? No way, its this kind of activity that strips us of our power or even our sense of power....we saw that at the conventions blatantly and both conventions as welll.... FEAR WAS THE PURPOSE AND HELPLESSNESS THE GOAL... YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE DEMONSTRATORS AND THE REPORTERS FACES...

Here is the list of all the elements that have been introduced to achieve that destruction of positive thinking within us as individuals.

All unconstitutional executive orders to be rescinded. These would include, but not be limited to:

10996 - allows for government takeover of all media.

10997 - allowing the President to seize all power plants, fuels and minerals.

10998 - allowing the President to seize and control all farms and food distribution mechanisms

11000 - allows the President to forcibly form work brigades made up of whomever he chooses.

11004 - allows the President to relocate any populations within the United States borders.

11005 - allows the President to seize control of all railways, waterways and storage facilities.

11921 - allows the government to shut any or all the communications networks and hand over operations and control to the military.

11921 - allows the government to confiscate guns, gold, cars and whatever else they deem to need.

So tell me again the Power of Positive thinking is ruining us??? I don't think so, maybe they are trying to counter what the police state in existance today is trying to do, but we are certainly not a nation being converted to the empowerment of our environment at all..... except for a few of us who went immediately to anger from fear...... and we will be the first ones picked up to go.

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More Than Positive Thinking
Posted by: Shankari46 on Sep 26, 2008 9:52 AM   
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Although I will say that these fluffy happy bunnies also think that it is negative to think we could all die because of Global Warming. Jesus or some space alien will surely save us. Right.

I think another problem is our belief that money is the meaning of life. Having a bunch of stuff in your house and driving a Hummer gives us meaning. If we don't have a gas guzzler, a giant house, expensive clothing then we have not found the meaning in life. We are too spoiled to give up everything and do what countless others have done to find meaning. We are too spoiled to take the hard lessons in life and find meaning within the difficult lessons. We look down upon those who are thrifty, or those who live within their humble limits. Now they are falling. Thank goodness. Let's just don't give them a handout. Let 'em learn the hard lessons, and learn how to be realistic.

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Every Day in Every Way I am Getting Better and Better!
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM   
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This was the Emil Coue chant of the 1920s. Logical positivism. It might have helped individuals but there was a little problem at the end with stock investing.

Now we have Christian logical positivism. Whole megachurches are teaching this prosperity gospel to their flock. Somehow God is a bank account and when you give vast sums to the church's owner, not only does he get incredibly rich, but you will too.

As Americans we ignore the billions of hungry people who work from generation unto generation so that we can have sugar cane, coffee and little plastic dog toys that were made in China. Many peasants in Guatemala wanted to better themselves over the past 50 years. They have been slaughtered consistently by death squads using American bullets. Tell me God, when are they going to get better and better?

Finally, when are Americans going to see that the laws of economics, as practiced over and over again in other countries, are equally valid in the United States too?

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You say Negativity, I say Reality
Posted by: Elmo409 on Sep 26, 2008 10:13 AM   
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19 years ago I was a sales rep who had recently received yet another new sales manager. This one wanted me to swap out a strategy based on slow growth, great customer service, and a very high retention rate for one which aimed at rapid growth by concentrating on a few "blockbuster" accounts. I knew those potential customers. I knew that they changed suppliers every year or two. My new manager was looking for big numbers so he could claim success, grab a big bonus and move on to something else leaving me to account for the sudden loss of business.

I pointed out these facts and was accused of being negative and having a lot of negativity. I found a different line of work. Sure enough 2 years later he was gone -- fired for account fudging.

Moral of the story is that Polonius gave really great advice to Hamlet:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

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Nothing wrong with self-help....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:36 AM   
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There is nothing wrong with self-help, the problem is that it has reached delusional proportions! People have been told over and over that "negative" thinking is wrong, and somehow if things don't work out the way that people want them to, it's because they weren't positive enough!

The real problem is that with the "busy-ness" of everyday life, many Americans no longer utilize those critical thinking and analysis skills! The problem is that Americans have bought into too much "Reality tv" where everyone is beautiful, rich, and no one has a problem that can't be solved in 24hrs or less! In trying to talk to these people that don't want to face the real world: you know a Congress that has continued to deregulate, an Imperial President, lies and deception from our "elected" officials, lobbiests buying what they want from "our leaders", and just flat out incompetence - they don't want to hear it! Whether it's because they don't fully comprehend the issues, or whether it's because they are awaiting the Apocolypse to be "Raptured", I don't know! Hopefully if this finance fiasco does nothing else it may make them wake-up and join the real world!

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Oh goody
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 26, 2008 10:44 AM   
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Does this mean we can stop using all those New Age definitions of words, like "challenge" for "problem"? I'm so tired of hearing people mangle the English language to sound positive instead of realistic. And I'm tired of being the only one in meetings not using positive-speak because I am the oldest one in the room.

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» RE: Oh goody Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Oh goody Posted by: beautifulady2003
useless
Posted by: jstepp590 on Sep 26, 2008 10:46 AM   
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This article is fairly useless to the current situation. What does positive/negative thinking have to do with repealing the regulations put in place after the Great Depression to stop these things from happening again?

Reinstating those regulation is the only thing that matters. If we don't reinstate them we will keep going through bailout after bailout and everyones retirement and 401k's will continue to get raped no matter how many times we bail them out.

If we don't reinstate those regulations Wall Street and our financial system will bleed us dry. We as citizens will be better off letting it crash without those regulations in place protecting us. It'll still hurt but at least the bleeding will stop.

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» RE: It will fall regardless Posted by: phoolish
slight misnomer
Posted by: cbishopp on Sep 26, 2008 11:08 AM   
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I don't think that positive thinking was under attack as much as the power of the individual.
Wall street wants confidence because that is all that fuels it. Without consumer confidence capital trading falls like the house of cards it was built to be.
Self help on the other hand is just another tool to make one feel inadequate and unhealthy. Much like the constant drug commercials reminding you of your pain and equating slight discomfort with long term illness.
so what's wrong with you anyway? do you need help? do you ever feel lonely or have headaches? you should have more. you deserve more. eat this pill, read this book, invest your money, wear this, drive this.
This consumer culture feeds us our own inadequacy and keeps us positive enough to stay in line and confident enough to doubt our own potential.

The sudden disappointment of a hope leaves a scar which the ultimate fulfillment of that hope never entirely removes.
--Thomas Hardy

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Situational vs. constitutional optimism
Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 26, 2008 12:16 PM   
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One should make the distinction between situational optimism (and pessimism), and optimism as a habit of thought, or constitutional optimism. One is justified, the other dangerous. Here's what I mean:

It's the bottom of the eighth inning and our team is down 12 to 1. How is this game likely to end up? I am pessimistic about our chances because I am realistic. Does this make me a pessimist? No. I would say that my pessimism is situational, that is, it pertains to how I expect this situation to play out. Again, does that make me a pessimist, i.e., habitually or constitutionally pessimistic? No. A constitutional pessimist is the guy who expects to lose when his team is AHEAD 12 to 1. In the situational case, I say that I am pessimistic about the situation, whereas in the constitutional case, I would say that I am a pessimist. Being pessimistic occasionally when the situation justifies it is not being a pessimist.

If I am merely cheerful and hopeful for a lucky reversal, and don't head for the parking lot yet, but still realize that a bad outcome is much more likely, am I either an optimist or being optimistic? You might say yes, but I would say no. I’d say that I’m pessimistic but hopeful, and that is the best way to be in a grim situation: realistic, but not without good wishes.

What if I chose optimism in such a situation? Such a conclusion would be intellectually dishonest and would serve no purpose other than to make me feel better at the risk of giving me an inaccurate map of reality from which to navigate. In some situations, there's not much wrong I could do or any serious mistake that I could make. But in general, unjustified optimism is potentially as dangerous as unjustified pessimism.

For example, optimism will not serve you well when trying to decide whether or not to take the threat of global warming seriously. If you think ignoring that issue is OK because you habitually assume that things will work out well, you may be well on your way to committing a tragic blunder. I may hope that we see the light about this serious matter in time, or that if we don't, that we don't pay too dearly for our mistake. But that is just hope, not optimism. Being optimistic about that matter is not a healthy mind set. That is why constitutional optimism is just as dangerous as constitutional pessimism. As an aside, those counting on Armageddon to resolve the issue are also, in my opinion, being unjustifiably and dangerously optimistic.

So I don't choose optimism. Nor do I choose pessimism. The situation dictates which to choose in each case.

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Being Positive Doesn't Mean You Throw Aside Common Sense
Posted by: oldhippie on Sep 26, 2008 12:29 PM   
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I think Barbara is wrong is most of what she is saying. Without hope for a better life or better future, we would all go out and kill ourselves. You have to have some hope of things getting better or why continue living? Out of the Great Depression of the 1930s came a song called "Keep on the Sunny Side." That's good advice for these days, too

Being positive doesn't mean you've thrown common sense out the window. Everyone should live within their income and not incur a lot of debt. (even the national government) For me, that has been difficult because during the past 15 years, I've been unemployed more than I've been employed. I've kept on going with contract jobs for a few months at a time. Sometimes things are really lean and I don't know how to pay my utility bills. I've not been able to go to the dentist to have needed work done. But I'm still positive. And, things are looking up. This week, I've had some extra work coming in. (I'm a writer.) And, it looks like I may even get a permanent job soon. So, expecting good to come into your life is not a bad thing to do.

Yes, I am quite discouraged about the political scene. So many people seem to think that imbeciles such as Sarah Palin are qualified to hold a national office. That tells me that there are even more imbeciles lurking out there. It's just more than I can understand.

And visualization has been proven to heal illnesses. Back in the 1970s, a book called "Getting Well Again" by Dr. Carl O. Simonton came out, telling of how this cancer specialist had helped many of his patients recover by using meditation and visualization. It works! I knew someone who recovered from a malignant brain tumor using this method. I tried it and recovered from an autoimmune disease.

So, Barbara, don't knock these things until you've tried them.

No, I don't expect to become fabuously wealthy, but I do expect my needs to be met. And, I will keep on visualizing and thinking positively. It makes life a whole lot easier and more pleasant.

I don't think positive thinking has wrecked the economy. Greed and poor judgment have wrecked the economy. Rampant consumerism has wrecked the economy. And, placing your faith and your money in the stock market is not wise. It's like playing the horses.

Let's return to realistic ways of living, but think positively about our lives and how we can enjoy each day and who we are.

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It's morning in America
Posted by: yesman on Sep 26, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Of course, this current insidious wave of delusional "positive" thinking really began in 1979, when a majority of American voters chose to believe that "It's morning in America," and therefore no action is required of us, rather than facing up to reality and beginning to put together an energy plan which would have long ago freed us from dependency on foreign oil. Carter became the "malaise" President for asking Americans to face at least part of the truth. They chose Reagan's delusional BS instead, and all of the problems which we now face ensued. Had we faced up to reality at that pivotal moment, Iraq would now probably be a relatively unknown backwater, the Twin Towers would probably still be standing, and we would still have a solvent financial sector guided by the lessons of the first Great Depression.

Or maybe we would have found some other pernicious BS to believe in.

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Exactly what is
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Sep 26, 2008 3:03 PM   
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Wrong with looking on the sunny side of life? You have a choice as to how to experience life... There are an awful lot of people in the cemetery who would gladly trade places with you...
All that said. I do understand the optimism that she speaks of... the reality is that is not truly positive thinking. Positive thinking in relation to getting what you want in life requires action on your part.Anything else is just plain BS. So maybe she should rail against BS and not positive thinking. Positive thinking is way more attractive than any negative attitude ever will be.. Smile its today.

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POSITIVE THINKING AND REALITY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 26, 2008 3:27 PM   
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Can co-exist. In a bad situation such as losing a job, there can be no moving forward without positive thinking. I don't mean a constant state of make believe and wishful thinking. A healthy amount of faith in yourself. There is no one else in some situations. Half the people working at Walmart wouldn't be there if they didn't buy into the mentality that's been sold to them. Namely, this is the best you can do, learn to like it. Sorry, A healthy amount of positive thinking along with some talking to yourself works. Been there, done that. Thanks, ANNA

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ENTITLEMENT
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 26, 2008 5:44 PM   
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Americans are just plain spoiled. For generations, 3 and 4 cars sat in the driveways, there was an annual trip to Disney, the little woman schlepped around a Coach handbag, the homestead was remodeled and refurnished every few years, and oh how those credit cards came in handy. Now everyone's pissed off and scared because ohmygod, you mean I might not be able to keep my SUV and I can't go to Disney this year? Oh shit, what's the world coming to?

What!? You mean all I have to do is wish real, real hard for what I want, like Oprah says, and I can have it?

This isn't religion, and the posters here who claim that it is not only insult religion but make a joke out of a pathetic mind set in our pop culture. Real religion is the soul's reaching out to God. It isn't about wishing or praying for money. The prosperity gospel is a sin and a travesty. The book "The Secret" never made anyone rich except its author, who no doubt laughed all the way to the bank. How pathetic Americans are. They don't know how to manage their lives and so they literally buy into nonsensical new age crap for instant happiness and simple answers.

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How about the middle, Realistic
Posted by: hilly7 on Sep 26, 2008 8:03 PM   
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I don't see anything wrong with positive thinking, its when it becomes delusional that it becomes a problem. The is a happy medium that is between the Pessimist and Optimist, its called the Realists.

Perhaps when we lost our ability to reason, to muse, to problem solve, we lost the ability to know the difference between. So sad. The Optimist as well as the Pessimist are out of balance, the is a medium ground.

Then we come up with Politically Correct. That also softened up the mind and the will. I use to buy parts for my old cars at a junk yard, now its a salvage yard, we have pre-owned instead of used, authenic reproduction instead of fake... and we wonder why we get all screwed up. Like African Americans when most black people have never seen Africa and other divisions. Divided we can not stand.

We read 1/2 right junk and remember, 1/2 right is also 1/2 wrong. Can you tell which half is right or wrong? We have spin doctors (what use to be called liars), and the most amazing thing is.....we're stupid enough to believe them! One read of any board shows the stupidity of people when politics are concerned. They blame all kinds of groups (as long as it's not theirs). Wake up, its not the small banks, its the world banks that run the governments.

Most go off sadly 1/2 cocked and none the less dangerous. The danger of disinformation and even worse, wrong information spreads like wildfire. Hitler once said you do not have to disprove anything, just place a doubt.

These bastards should reap what they sowed. With no mercy, no kindness, no morals, no good intentions, greed, and prowless, they preyed upon the people. Sure, there were those that fell for it because it benefitted then, but by and large most did not. Did they show mercy, no. Google Tent City. These people should sleep in the bed they made, and then some. 700 billion? For what, screwing their fellow man. They worked themselves into this hole, and some followed them. Neither cared who they stepped on going in.

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An open-minded approach to achievement
Posted by: Tim V on Sep 27, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Besides being unrealistic - no matter how hard I might have tried, for example, I could never have become a major league sports figure - the idea that "you can acomplish anything you want if you just put your mind, body and soul into it" goes hand-in-hand with "I made it, why can't you?!"

In fact, a lot of human traits/abilities (Ex. IQ) are more genetically-based for some people than they are for others! So a generally negative outlook isn't realistic either.

The best approach is to just try to accomplish as much as you can and see how far you can go. - Set a sequence of small goals for yourself and see if you can develop them into a big accomplishment.

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How do I say this positively?
Posted by: Emerson13 on Sep 28, 2008 10:54 PM   
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Um,...

Ms. Ehrenreich, you're wrong.

You are projecting your cynicism upon history and upon this present moment.

So what if you found ample evidence to support your negative attitude and pre-determined conclusion. That's not analysis. That's nothing more than a rambling. flawed, uneducated opinion.

Your generalization about "Wall Street" is simplistic, unthoughtful & lazy-minded.

(I read a column you wrote about the movie, "The Secret," and it was equally unhelpful & not well thought out. If I recall, you commented about the movie before you actually even saw the movie.)

The world is reflecting what you are projecting. You are stuck in your own loop.

For your sake, I wish you could see this.

Perhaps it's time for you to climb out of the well and see what the other frogs are all talking about.

Ribbit. Ribbit. :)

Sincerely,

Emerson

P.S. I wish you the best. I really do.

Much love to you, as well.

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