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Congress Is Resisting the Bailout Plan Now, But Wall Street Will Do Anything to Get Its Way

By Nomi Prins, AlterNet. Posted September 24, 2008.


The Bush-Paulson trillion-dollar payoff scheme won't save Wall Street from the mess it created.
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After a day of debate, a few bumps in the road to passing Paulson's $700 billion bailout package emerged. Paulson and Bernanke want a rush job. Democrats want more oversight and Main Street oriented provisions. Republicans want assurances this bailout will actually work. Both sides are aware there's an election around the corner. Neither side is wondering whether the bailout is necessary. So, even through the doubt, the question seems not if, but when and in what exact form, this bailout will be approved.

Sunday night meetings in Washington produce startling announcements: In March, there was the Fed's $30- billion backing of Bear Stearns' bad assets, as it was given to JPMorgan Chase; last week we had Lehman Brothers' declaration of bankruptcy; this week it's Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, changing their status to one equivalent to neighborhood banks, with all the emergency capital perks thrown in.

The shifting tides of Wall Street aren't over, and neither are the government bailouts. If Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's request for a $700 billion bailout is approved, it will bring the total government tab for saving Wall Street from itself to $1.25 trillion.

But, reading the fine print, that huge chunk of cash is just for one-time purchases. If the government buys $700 billion worth of assets whose value goes to zero, we could be on the hook for another bailout round before you know it.

Paulson considers this latest plan, "decisive action to fundamentally and comprehensively address the root cause of our financial system."

But it does no such thing. That's because his persistent focus on illiquid mortgage assets and the "housing correction" is not the bigger problem. It's merely the catalyst that revealed the systemic rot of overleveraged and reckless activities that define our financial system.

Blaming irresponsible lending and borrowing is a slick way of avoiding the deeper need for regulation. If the entire industry (from small lenders through big trading firms) were more transparent and less leveraged, a correction in housing wouldn't have brought down three major investment banks. It wouldn't have triggered the decision of the remaining two to become commercial banks, to gain more access to desperately needed capital through citizens' deposits and the Fed's emergency window.

That Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley positioned their request like a plea for regulation is a joke - it was a plea for money.

Yes, we need stricter lending practices instead of the ones that contributed to 5 million homeowners facing defaults or foreclosures. But we also need to restructure Wall Street - not by creating bigger, less-transparent entities, but by generating smaller ones whose risks are clear, as was done in 1933.

Meanwhile, Democrats in Congress want more constraints on Paulson's bailout package. They cite the need for independent oversight of the fund that will purchase the assets, a cap on executive compensation, and more help for borrowers through mortgage-debt reductions.

What's lacking, even from the Democrats' wish list, are demands to overhaul and re-regulate the entire banking industry, and that all financial institutions quantify their real credit losses - at the moment, only commercial banks report their exposures.

The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, passed late one December session by former Senate Banking Committee chairman Phil Gramm (R-Texas), deregulated the privately traded credit derivatives and swaps market. These derivatives have dangerously intertwined with mortgage-backed securities, and require the creditworthiness of the financial institutions that trade them to remain stable. (AIG is an example of one that didn't, and we know how that turned out.)

Also, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 - navigated by Gramm and cheerled by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who served under President Bill Clinton - repealed those 1933 protections and made it possible for investment banks, insurance companies and commercial banks to merge without requiring greater regulation.

Today's mess is a direct result of these two acts.

To steer this ship, Congress has to bone up on finance - if members don't know what CDOs (collateralized debt obligations) and credit derivatives really are, they can't understand the risk they have incurred on behalf of American taxpayers, and they'll be ill-prepared to evaluate Paulson's plan. And Congress must then regulate credit derivatives and the banking industry.

The goliath Bank of America-Merrill Lynch deal will take months to decipher. Goldman and Morgan's buying up smaller banking players - which they will - will add to the murkiness. None of this stabilizes the system. Instead, it sets it up as a bigger problem to solve later.

If our representatives in Washington are serious about fixing the problems that Wall Street has caused, they will shoot the roots of deregulation, not just the messenger of subprime-lending malpractice, or the toxic waste manufactured by Wall Street.

Congress also shouldn't let Paulson anywhere near the management of the buyout fund - and frankly, shouldn't feel compelled to approve a $700 billion bailout without strong regulatory protections for American citizens. But that requires a deeper understanding of the complicated mortgage and credit markets than Congress seems to have.

Meanwhile, stay tuned for more bank mergers and instability, punctuated by rest periods where Wall Street inhales government money. Or, I should say, our taxpayer money.

Editor's note: Make sure your voice is heard and help stop it. Check out: "Five Dangerous, Disastrous Things About the Proposed Bailout and What You Can Do to Help Stop It."

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Nomi Prins is a senior fellow at the public policy center Demos and author of Other People's Money and Jacked: How "Conservatives" are Picking your Pocket (Whether you voted for them or not).

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Listen to PNAC founder Bill Kristol.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 24, 2008 12:21 AM   
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I never thought I would agree with a neocon, especially someone as devious as Kristol, but he wants to cap corporate pay at a level no higher than what President Bush makes.

Don't tell me it can't be done. Nixon did a similar thing in 1971 by imposing wage and price controls and he wasn't a unitary chief executive!. Therefore, if Congress doesn't impose a pay cap, retired people and working stiffs who can barely afford to heat their houses this winter will be paying for mansions, yachts, private jets and luxury cars of the Power Elite.

Boy, are we stupid!

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections

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» X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
A Bailout is a Bailout is a Bailout ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 24, 2008 12:41 AM   
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What is Wrong with FDR's Solution ?

The first step we need to take is have a bank holiday. In actuality 99.9% of the bad mortgage paper is at 25 or 30 institutions. It wouldn't be hard to close these companies and since they own the vast majority of junk net out the money balances leaving the core bank assets for appraisal.

The good banks move on maybe with a cash infusion, the bad banks get liquidated, the assets merged with a solid bank, insured deposits honored while the stock and bond holders take the loss, Not the Tax Payers.

Under the plans being considered the tax payer is being tapped even before the stock and bond holders ! Even the equity stake idea lets the bond holders off the hook.

Where is the accountability for the investors that profited for all those fat years? If the stock and bond holders get reamed won't stock and bond holders from other companies demand tighter regulation ? I think yes ....

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NO EQUITY, NO BAILOUT, NO BULLSHIT!
Posted by: gazooks on Sep 24, 2008 2:44 AM   
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American citizens are simultaneously being asked to fund an enormous economic burden and suffer political disempowerment.

The Paulson plan for bailing out the banking sector is tantamount to extortion. It leaves citizens with no oversight, control or equity in assuming the material responsibility for the massive imprudence and malfeasance of private bankers.

The "plan" as presented is outrageous to the integrity of both the economic and political basis of our Country. It is wholly consistent with the disregard repeatedly inflicted by this Administration on the principles and intent of our Constitution in granting dictatorial powers to executive authority. It should be clear to all that this represents a profound threat to our Republic.

We must forcefully resist Congressional acceptance of this brazen affront to American citizens and demand the accountability, oversight and equity to insure the rights earned in the struggles and blood of generations of patriotic Americans and granted explicitly by our Constitution.

NO EQUITY, NO BAILOUT, NO BULLSHIT!

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Thieves in high places
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 24, 2008 3:50 AM   
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Jim Hightower has it exactly right in his book titled "Thieves in High Palaces."
President Bush and his cronies are the biggest crooks ever! They make the Mafia look like child's play.
Fuck the Wall Street Bailout!

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So Typical
Posted by: mayall13 on Sep 24, 2008 4:12 AM   
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This is just another example of what deregulation has accomplished and what do they propose as a solution to the problem?...throw a bunch of money at it! And to what end? So that these banks can end up with better capitalization in order to keep on playing the same old game of greed? Its definitely time to step in and bring these jokers to heel with some serious regulation. Congress needs to step up to the plate and tell Wall Street that the joyride is over and Daddy is taking the keys to the car away.

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» RE: So Typical Posted by: VZEQICVA
Let's look at the bright side of the financial empire's overreach
Posted by: amacd on Sep 24, 2008 5:05 AM   
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The latest mass protests in Boston (and coming to NYC this week) against the Bush/Paulson “corporate financial Empire’s” demands on the people are lighting a fire that this empire will live to regret.

The news of mass protests from Boston is not a second Boston T(reasury) Party, but a continuation of the "outrage" against Empire that started the original Boston Tea Party!

This "outrage" in Boston is a new 'shot heard round the world' against a complete political economic empire (like the political AND economic British Empire) that allows a ruling-elite 'corporate/financial Empire' to metastasize from the economic realm and take-over the political realm.

We patriots need to now continue and culminate the American Revolution, that allows America's world-changing concept of 'democracy' to freely spread from the political realm to the whole of our indivisible political economy.

'Free market democracy' is a myth --- a lie that never existed and was made up by the ruling-elite's 'corporatist Empire' to make their economic take-over of our waning political democracy sound more friendly than the truthful term; 'fascism'.

What we're facing is a far bigger battle than just the fleecing of this supposed 'bailout'.

What we are facing is the final showdown between the economic empire of ruling-elite financial royalists against the very concept of America's most innovative contribution to the world: democracy --- vs. the chance, with our courage, to finally complete the American Revolution against the rule of empire in all aspects of our lives and liberty.

Today we have the opportunity of finally achieving the successful completion of the American Revolution; where the triumph of real democracy, rather than empire, in how men govern themselves, addresses the inexorably combined power of our indivisible political economy.

The good news of this epic crisis is that the real American innovation of democracy will finally (after 232 years) be applied to both the realms of political and economic self-governance, rather than only to the political sphere --- because empire, left alone in the economic sphere, has been perverting and trying to overthrow democracy since 1776.

This is not a choice between 'free market democracy' (which is only a PR lie told by the 'corporatist Empire' behind the facade of their two-party 'Vichy' government) and the scare term of 'socialism' --- but rather the long-delayed, final battle of the American Revolution, between democratic self-governance in the unified political economy of our country, or an economic empire of their corporatist/fascist elite metastasizing from the economic realm to the political realm and the whole of our society.

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» "socialism" is the wrong word -- Posted by: Last Chance
The banksters are hinting that they'll take revenge on Main Street if they don't get what they want
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 24, 2008 5:11 AM   
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Has anyone noticed how the stock market has dropped in the last two sessions? The steepest plunge is always in the last hour, and for much of the day, the Dow was in positive territory, as the major Wall Street players moved their assets around to protect them from the coming plunge. They're sending us all a message - give us total power, or we'll destroy your economy out of spite. If Congress passes a bill that limits executive compensation and includes penalties, expect the Dow to plunge 800 points the next day, while the banksters jump with their golden parachutes.

A government that wasn't already in the bankster's pocket would respond by promptly sending in marshals to halt stock trading and throwing the conspirators in jail, while repossessing all the millions they've paid themselves. But our government'll probably cave, offering a bill a few slap-on-the-wrist tokens to mollify the public.

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Freeze it ,Seize it and ship their asses to their Creditors!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 24, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Then Legally execute ONE for this High Crime of TREASON!
These Corp Criminals don't just Owe US for the 1 Trillion they are trying to get US to Co sign- they are responsible for the loss of the Suplus we had at the end of Clintons terms, and the 4 trillion they already have charge on OUR Credit line! Is it closer to 10 TRILLION Dollars this admin, their Corp associates and Profiteers have Illegally Stole from US?
Mccains 'Surge' was in their Pockets, The 'PURGE" is what they want to do to our Wallets, bank accounts, retirement plans- along with our younger generations lives and Futures!
This Congress had better tell all these top Execs to PAY UP, or be charge with TREASON! Pick your Poison Boys- Will it be the Poorhouse, or "The Green Mile"???
I have no problem equating the Two Unnecessary Wars, the 'Shit Rolls Down Hill 'Economics for the last 25 yrs, and the breaking of every Civil and Criminal law with TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND CRIES AGAINST HUMANITY.
I am not an advocate for the Death penality- However, Considering the Scope and Depth of these Crimes, I can make an Exception or two to that ethical stance.
Nor am I an advocate of indentured slavery- however this admin and their accomplices and sponsors have done just that to not only US, but our future generations!So Turnabout is FAIR PLAY...Why should I give a shit about what happens to their children, they have not given a shit about ours. Last report a child Born today- before the bailout- is in DEBT $16,000!!!!What's a Pretty little blonde Ex-heiress worth on the Asian Market These Days?
So Pay Up Boys- You have messed with our kids long enough...US "Momma's " are ready to rip you to Shreds! Sarah may be a Pitbull with Lipstick- but REAL WOMEN, DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' LIPSTICK TO EAT YOU FOR LUNCH!

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About time...
Posted by: Farasien on Sep 24, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Nice to see I'm not the only nut screaming into the void of cyberspace about this... As I've said many times, the mega Bastard politicians aren't serious about regulating anything. They just want to make some noise, pass a few symbolic gestures and make the people go back to sleep while they quietly rape them some more. The bastards at the top of the corporations wrote that theft package the three stooges are trying to blackmail the congress into passing, and it has more backdoors back into control of the economy than people realize. This isn't a bailout- its just a direct wealth transfer- a reward for the asshole elites for being such good stooges.

If congress really REALLY wanted to help people, they would send this bill back to the banker assholes with a big, fat 'FUCK NO!' stamped in red ink on it. Let the mega banks fail... Yes, it means pain for the public if they do, but nothing at all like the pain of passing this POS in ANY form at all. As I see it, we're in for pain no matter what- the only questions is weather the fun is shared with the bastards who started the whole mess to begin with.

Personally, I'd love to see the gillotines (literally) brought in, but then, I guess I'm an idealist.

Now back to your regularly-scheduled brainwashing...

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» RE: About time... Posted by: mahembar
What's Happening Is -->
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 24, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Bush and Wall Street are trying to establish a state-managed economy to eliminate social services, similar to Russia, and instigate the same kind of die-off that's been happening to them ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's the upper class solution to overpopulation and global warming!

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» RE: What's Happening Is --> Posted by: Last Chance
Detroit paper reports that now the auto loan industry wants in on the bailout
Posted by: Beck on Sep 24, 2008 6:00 AM   
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"The American Financial Services Association, a trade group of lenders, said in a statement Tuesday that the plan should be expanded to cover auto finance companies and car loans." Detroit Free Press, Sept. 24.

EXPANDED.

I guess Socialism for the Superrich isn't all-encompassing enough yet. It's good thing government DIDN'T get small enough to drown in a bathtub, eh? These new socialists would be SOL.

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» A misnomer -- Posted by: Last Chance
Continue the American Revolution
Posted by: amacd on Sep 24, 2008 6:01 AM   
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The continuation of the American Revolution in Boston and New York this week is being started 'by the people' not by the governors, senators, and others beholding to the Corporatist Empire --- just as the original American Revolution was stated 'by the people' in Boston, Lexington, and Concord, and NOT by King George's appointed governors and 'political tools' in the colonies.

Economic Empire will always subsume and destroy the indivisible political economy of any people if empire is expunged only from the political sphere and allow to fester and grow like a cancer spreading from the economic sphere of a hidden royalist ruling-elite.

That's why the American Revolutionary army drove the economic royalists all the way out of our country --- and kicked their asses from Castine Maine to St. Andrews!!!

No traitors loyal to economic empire can be allowed to stay in a democracy.

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And how about electing new non-monied independents to the House and Senate?
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 24, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Even if the House and/or Senate stops this one, they're only doing this for "election" stunt purposes. Once the election's over, they'll just go back to doing it but in smaller "installments".

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» Face The Reality -- Posted by: Last Chance
» Same Old Nut Case Posted by: Last Chance
Go Ahead...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 24, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Just Keep “Allowing” - Keep Denying The Realities -
It’s Not Like It’s Actually Getting Worse -
Much Worse - Blatantly And Faster.

by This Old Hippie Because The Sky IS Falling...

“A nation without the will, the courage, to revolt - is a nation doomed, and revolting.”

The Corporatists Say to America: ‘Give us the $700 Billion, or else...’
They demand that it be given to them - without regulation, without question, without any
means to take them to court, in short - ‘Give us the money, and shut up.’  And you will
allow ‘your representatives’ to do it.  Without any real protest, or revolt, as you have for
the entire history of this current sneeringly criminal administration.


The Melting Of The Arctic Permafrost - Is Real - Is Happening - And It Is Bad...
Giga Tons of CO2 and methane are being released, right now, and it’s rate of release is
increasing.  Not that you would do anything to mitigate it, or do something ‘revolting’ to
stop the corporatists... that are causing this to happen, through proven man-made global
warming effects of their criminal profiteering.  At least you haven’t done anything real to
stop them yet, except support their manufactured and purposeful denial - Right? - Even
as the reality ‘bubbles out’ of the melting permafrost.


Oh Come On - Admit It -  You’re denying the reality of this right now - Aren’t you?
Even though every single criminally profiteering lie, and every single prediction of the
global warming effects and affects - has been proven, and proven to be happening more
blatantly, and the global warming proven to be happening at an increasingly faster rate
than all of the predictions so far.  This is not happening in some abstract future - It is
happening now.  And you know it is all undeniable, that it is your immediate reality...

But for some unfathomable reason, you simply can’t find the will - nor courage - To revolt.

 

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» Go Ahead -- to what? Posted by: Last Chance
» It's worse than that -- Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Go Ahead... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Hi there Older Than Me Hippie Posted by: Menopausal Mick
» RE: Hi there Older Than Me Hippie Posted by: The Old Hippie
they gave a war and no body came....
Posted by: ellie on Sep 24, 2008 6:42 AM   
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stupid outside the box thinking this morning, but what if the majority in this country from all political persuasions just said HELL NO, NOT GONNA PLAY!!! from what has been heard on the street and the grocery stores (personal fave for getting a grip on the pulse of the community), no one wants this bailout in any form or fashion...

so far, cajoling, yelling and pleading haven't worked, extortion can only go so far if your family is down to bare bones for existence already which are most families in this hyper-inflating economy...

what's left, jail??? hell, jail is a roof, 3 meals a day and health care, better conditions then the abyss we are now looking at right now...

death, well, that's the end of the discussion and they can't get cash out of a corpse...

aren't most americans children of a treasonous past, survivors of a revolution, a country born of terrorism???

well????

back to coffee...

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» DON'T play. Posted by: Beck
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 24, 2008 6:44 AM   
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This Wall Street fiasco reminds me of Warren Jeffs predicting the end of the world and bankrupting the Ephraim Bank in Colorado City, Arizona.

The Ephraim bail out cost Arizona taxpayers 13 million, but nobody followed the money trail to Eldorado Texas where pedophile polygamists were erecting a Temple at YFZ Ranch.

We need some accountability folks!

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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Reinstate Glass-Siegel
Posted by: MikMouse on Sep 24, 2008 6:56 AM   
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So let us tack the Glass-Siegel Bank Regulation bill onto the bailout.

Breakup the big banks. Make them separate into individual units. Make them dump the stock operations and insurance operations. Big actually is bad, so bad it is about to destroy our economy.

Put the regulations back in place, fund enforcement big time. Stop the gross misconduct.

Capitalism works great when it is regulated. It fails massively when nobody is looking.

If nothing else we need to at least rigidly enforce existing laws.

Stop. The. Bailout!

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» RE: einstate Glass-Siegel Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: einstate Glass-Siegel Posted by: EncinoM
» Idiot Posted by: leafsong1
THE BAIL-OUT MERRY-GO-ROUND PART 1
Posted by: hoorah on Sep 24, 2008 7:04 AM   
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Here we go again. This is not the first year Big Brother Uncle Sam has stepped in to bail out the banking and investment industries. I guess they will have to bail all of them out as they continue to crumble one-by-one. The government-sponsored bail-outs are nothing more than a band-aid, a so-called solution to a largely man-made economic crisis. I read recently that some executive(s) in the automotive industry wanted a U.S. government "LOAN" due to the automotive sales slump and "necessary" facility updates. I wonder why these people can't or don't get loans from the countries where they've out-sourced jobs, built automotive plants, etc.? These type of moves by major U.S. corporations helped to further create economic deficits and unemployment in this country. Of course the tax write-offs, and lower employee wages are more than enough financial incentives to build and/or move U.S. companies to Mexico, Latin and South America, the Caribbean Islands (including the Cayman Islands), Europe and the rest of the world where they'll gladly let us set up shop. As they say. "The chickens have come home to roost." It's too bad you have to tear down one economy to build up another.

What does the government bailouts of banking and investment firms, etc. has to do with the average American citizen? Increased deficits and taxes that the blue and white-color workers of this country will have to pay back. I heard some propaganda that it would be harder for consumers to get home loans if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were not bailed out of bankruptcy. That's a load of bull! How can people qualify for homeowner loans, etc. if they are unemployed, under-capitalized and under-funded in the first place? About the AIG insurance bailout crap. I wonder how much service we'll get from the health, automotive and homeowner insurance plans we're pumping thousands of dollars into annually when we need that? Will the U.S. government come to our rescue and bail out the "taxpaying consumers" out of our financial messes when we cry for help? Will we see one dime of our retirement savings and money we were "forced" to contribute to social security. I doubt it! Those who have embezzled and gambled away other financial assets are probably planning or are already having a field day now with what could have been our retirement incomes. God forbid you survive a hurricane, etc. with nothing left but the clothes on your back.

Another economic loss to the U.S. economy was the closing of U.S. military bases. I learned recently that there are over 350 U.S. military bases in countries outside the U.S.! It's logical to assume that every military base that was closed in the U.S. had a negative, financial impact on those local communities. We are probably losing trillions of dollars from our states while our servicemen/women are spending their service pay in other countries. Hello. Where will our military be if or when they are needed to protect and defend the U.S? On foreign soil. That's where. I think the original intent of the Founding Fathers of the United States was to have a military located in and available to guard the U.S. Instead we are spending about $1,000,000,000 daily to "police the world". More money wasted and added to the national debt pushing us all into deeper poverty.

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CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 24, 2008 7:12 AM   
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This time they may have to listen to the voters and taxpayers, imagine that. True, something has to be done but a check for $700 Billion, no questions asked somehow got everyone's attention. There is room here for some horse trading. It's election time! Warren Buffet is in for $5 billion Goldman Sachs (stock and warrants). If we collect the Golden Parachutes of just the past year it could be billions more. These companies should be forced to buy back some of their own assets. That's what they want me to do. So let's make it a joint effort. If it's a good enough 'deal' for the taxpayers it should be good enough for them. High risk, yes but also an opportunity. While they're writing checks it's time to write some rules. Now, not when they get around to it. I'd like to know what they plan to do about upcoming forclosures now in the millions. If that's what started the whole mess it seems logical to address that first. Cut if off at the pass, so to speak. I think the brilliant minds that prevail are finding out that most of us are not village idiots. Thanks, ANNA

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Extortion Racket Again.
Posted by: weslen1 on Sep 24, 2008 7:17 AM   
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These are the exact same extortion tactics the Bush Administration used to get the FISA bill passed and anyone in congress who votes YES should be systematically voted out of office the first time they come up for reelection. That includes the entire House of Representatives in November. After the FISA FIASCO, if they fall for this, they are too dumb or cowardly to represent ANY of us.
For MONTHS the Bush Administration preached and ranted that if FISA wasn't passed this country was doomed. We would be attacked again. We would not be able to track the terrorists and hold them off. On and on, day after day we were bombarded with threats. More Americans will die. BUT!!!!!! Bush would VETO any bill that did not include "TELECOM IMMUNITY". Even as John Boehner was SUING another Rep. for publishing a recorded telephone conversation of HIS and being awarded 1 1/2 MILLION dollars, he was RIGHT UP THERE PREACHING THE GOSPEL of immunity for telecom CEOs who CHOSE to BREAK THE LAW and wire tap every man woman and child in this COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. They SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE CRIMES. After all, it was JUST ordinary citizens and why should the LAWYERS make money anyway, OTHER THAN HIS OWN THAT IS. No immunity, no bill. Even if it would mean, according to the hype, that this country would be wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow. That's how important immunity for law breakers was.
NOW, we're getting the same old same old BS about this bail out. Our country is DOOMED, if we don't do this YESTERDAY. Our economy will COLLAPSE if we don't do this YESTERDAY. No oversight, no questioning, no investigation. Pass this NOW! BUT!!!!!!!!! If the CEOs who caused this mess and raked in millions or even billions of dollars running these corporations into the ground lose ONE DIME of their ill gotten gains, NO DEAL. Bush will VETO this bill even if this country goes down the tubes so far we'll never recover. That's how important it is to pass this bail out bill with NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
And yet, these same people who would consider this passed, in the bankruptcy reform bill a provision that, in the case of a defaulted student loan, a disabled person, getting less than $700 a month, can have their Social Security Disability check garnished, EVEN if it puts them out on the street. And it doesn't matter how much of that student loan you PAY, because for every dime you pay, an equal amount is added on as fees and interest so you pay your whole life and never make a dent in that debt.
When Willie Nelson and Redd Foxx owed back taxes the IRS swooped in and seized every single thing they owned, even down to Redd Foxx's treasured Mickey Mouse Watch. In the cases of these two men, everything was fair game because for these two, even an old birthday card could make a profit at the tax sales. And the troubles of these two men was not even their fault. They both had hired "financial advisors" to handle their money and those "experts" ripped them off. TOO BAD. "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse." That is, unless you're a corrupt president or vice president ripping off a whole country.
But we're just supposed to bend over and kiss the rings of the Paulson crowd and Bush Buddies because they shouldn't actually have to pay back a dime of the money they embezzled from their companies, they shouldn't lose one penny of their "golden parachutes". After all, they worked VERY HARD for those millions, lobbying congress to give them the store.
What congress needs to do is hire a totally independent financial EXPERT not tied to Bush to come in an oversee any "FIX" they come up with,until the next administration comes into office and pass a bill holding the CEOs accountable, seizing ALL assets held by CEOs involved, putting it all into a pool going directly to such reparation as possible to the problems they caused and then and ONLY then use tax payers dollars and only as much as absolutely necessary to shore up the rest.

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Simple Fair Solution
Posted by: james_allen on Sep 24, 2008 7:18 AM   
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There is a much simpler, fairer way for the "bailout" to proceed. I hope a Democrat Congressman counterproposes it soon.

Simply force banks to raise capital. (It might be enough to insist on "mark to market" accounting.) Treasury would still be the capital provider of last resort (if no billionaires step forth to buy fresh bank stocks the Treasury (taxpayer) buys it for a pittance), but instead of getting toxic debt paper in return, we get equity. If Paulsen won't do this, fire him and find someone who can. I'm no card-carrying Marxist, but if the present crisis doesn't discredit post-literate American capitalism nothing will.

The way Paulsen insists on a quick 700 billion dollars (quick as in "before November") and dictatorial power over the money reminds me of Naomi Klein's account of South Africa and retention of pre-ANC central bank authority in post-ANC government.

A trillion for the Iraq adventure, a trillion for Wall Street, a trillion in tax cuts for the rich .... after a while, you're talking real money.

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» RE: Simple Fair Solution Posted by: peskyfly1
just had another brain fart...
Posted by: ellie on Sep 24, 2008 7:19 AM   
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could all this mess be because no other country or financial organization will give this country another dime in the form of a loan??? did wall street finally max out the credit cards???

who, outside this country actually owns this place that was put up as collateral for the original loans??? what if these 'others' want to foreclose on the actual land mass called the US??? is this hunt for money actually the sheriff's sale????

let's see... 4 states actually belong to china, 6 states actually belong to the uae... on down the line...

really back to coffee this time...

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» Not just yet, ellie Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: just had another brain fart... Posted by: Menopausal Mick
Just like before the Iraq invasion
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 24, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Once again, like in 2003, the White House is shouting "WOLFowitz!" (with
Wall Street joining in) and Congress will surrender the way it did about WMDs.

This time, it's Words of Mass Deception.

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections
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Scenario
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 24, 2008 7:41 AM   
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What does anyone in their right mind believe this IOUSofA would do if they were pressured to pay back their Foreign debts. This country would declare it was a conspiracy, deny that we owe the monies, invade that country, blow everything to hell and steal their resources.

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feeding evil
Posted by: alturn on Sep 24, 2008 7:43 AM   
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It has been indicated that what could be termed world "evil" is anchored in three countries - one in Eastern Europe, Israel and the United States. The group in the United States was said to be a group in the Pentagon and another within the corporate community.

From that perspective, George Bush, who has been said to be a "channel" for this evil, rewarded the group in the Pentagon with the "war on terrorism" and the Iraq war. Now, at the end of his term, he is ensuring the other anchor of evil within America - which works through Wall Street - gets a blank check to do what it wills with American finances.

The question remains as to when Americans will sufficiently awaken to the insidious evil within our boundaries and perform the necessary exorcism to enable the real, true American spirit to be seen again.

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THE BAIL-OUT MERRY-GO-ROUND PART 2
Posted by: hoorah on Sep 24, 2008 8:34 AM   
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Funny we haven't heard any government bail-out requests from the gas and oil companies yet. Are they next in line for a government handout? I suppose the utility companies will follow suit. How about the internet service providers? I suspect that by lifting the off-shore, wildlife refugees, national parks and national forests, etc. oil drilling bans. This will be the perfect "excuse" for the oil companies and their investors to continually jack up gas and oil prices. Because it has become oh "so expensive" to drill for oil. And oil drilling equipment and exploration costs "are eating up our profits".

In this scenario it will be "mandatory" that the U.S. government rescue the oil and gas industries. Meanwhile we will continue to pay anywhere from four to twenty plus dollars per gallon of gas. Or either we'll walk, ride bicycles or scooters to have money left over for anything else in life. It's pathetic that gas prices have risen at least $2 per gallon in less than one year! I hate to burst your bubble. The new drilling fanaticism won't keep any extra money in your wallets. Neither will the corporate bail-outs!

The government bail-out lists could go on and on with no end in sight. And while I'm on the subject of gas and oil. What are the billions of gas and oil reserves being saved for? I don't know where they are located or who controls the distribution of such. If ever there was a time we needed to release some of those reserves. It is now! I've heard recently that the State Of Alaska has enough oil to last the United States for 200 years. I can't prove or disprove that statement. I have to ask the following question. "Who's fooling who?" If what I hear is correct. The knowledge and the technology is "already available" that can be implemented to eliminate the need for coal, gas, oil or other traditional energy sources. The technology has/is being suppressed and wasn't/isn't being used because it would "wipe out too many profits." It was reported a few days ago that an "electric-powered" car was built in the Silicon Valley (CA) that could get up to 60 mph in less than one or two minutes. Supposedly the car wasn't made by a "major" U.S. car manufacturer.

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Joke
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 24, 2008 8:44 AM   
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What a pathetic joke. How about what the SHEEPLE want? Your average joe American cant afford to play the stupid stock market, he is too worried about groceries and keeping gas in the car. When is the Regime going to start listening to the Sheeple again? As long as Dictator Bush is in charge, never obviosuly.

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» RE: Joke Posted by: Zeugitai
And
Posted by: helenwheels on Sep 24, 2008 8:50 AM   
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Bill Clinton got impeached for a blowjob.

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THE BAIL-OUT MERRY-GO-ROUND PART 3
Posted by: hoorah on Sep 24, 2008 8:57 AM   
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Furthermore. Assuming that my source is correct. I've also learned that the entire American continent (Canada, The United States, Latin and South America) are sitting on numerous natural gas reservoirs. The reservoirs are reportedly linked from state to state (in the U.S.) and from country to country on the North and South American continents (interconnected)!

I saw pictures supposedly of one or two cities in the state of Pennsylvania (U.S.) where there were what looked like steel-like tubes with vents, seated in wire garbage cans above ground. Danger signs were posted all over the place. It was reported that, that was the only known measure to ensure against further underground gas explosions that were capable of further decimating the mentioned communities, and causing untold damage to surrounding communities. Ultimately a catastrophic chain reaction could result that would wipe out the entire North and South American continents.

The author stated that a vacuum was created when the gas in the reservoirs was pumped. He stated that an equal amount of water needed to be pumped back into the gas reservoirs to replace the gas that had been removed. That was not being done according to the author. This could be one of the main reasons there have been a tremendous amount of "wild fires" in the United States in the past five years alone. On another note. I believe the author of this article stated that Canada was the #2 oil exporter to the United States. The middle east was not number one on that list.

In closing here is another possible bail-out scenario I've been educated about. What I'm about to say may resemble a science fiction movie. In all probability this information is true reality. There is a select group of "elite" people. Most if not all of them are wealthy, specialists in some sort of field or another. In case of a nuclear war, an outbreak of anarchy or some other form of uncontrollable chaos. Certain people would have access to an abundant supply of food, natural resources or whatever they needed that has been stored in underground bases. The rest of society would have to fend for themselves or die in the midst of the chaos.

It's been reported that the Russian citizens (the common people) are better protected from nuclear war than the U.S. citizens. Supposedly underground bomb shelters are in place in Russia that are covered with 400 feet of dirt and 100 feet of concrete! It's reported that these shelters are loaded with food and other basic necessities of life. What are the United States bail-out plans of any type for its poor and middle class populations? None that I know about. It doesn't look like honesty is the best policy anymore.

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Systemic failings will not be addressed
Posted by: 6399 on Sep 24, 2008 9:23 AM   
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There are far greater problems confronting the US economy than a sharp decline in home prices. The fact of the matter is that home prices were super-inflated over the last 5 years and MUST fall. This isn't a bad thing by any means. Given declining real wages, most Americans simply cannot afford home ownership at current reduced prices anyway.

Irresponsible lending practices, coupled with ingrained American avarice in the form of excessive material acquisition, is the root of all our financial problems. Scumbag lenders were merely carrying out practices that the Fed was promoting, and shallow, materialistic American mega consumers readily went along with it. When home prices were seen to be on a never ending upward trajectory, we didn't hear many complaints, but now that the easy money has dried up and home prices are plummeting, Americans are up in arms.

The American people were certainly duped but they are not absolved of culpability by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone is to blame for this, including people who thought they were getting something for practically nothing. The biggest problem with this bailout is that it reinforces that notion that we are always working with a net - Uncle Sam will always be there to catch you when you fall. Bankers clean their books and start over with the next ponzi scheme.

With new, tougher lending requirements, almost no one will qualify for loans. Twenty five (25%) down on a $200,000 home? Really, how many Americans have that kind of money laying around? Problem is, home prices will soon be skyrocketing again and $200K will be an average price. Good luck getting lending. The lenders have to make money, so what will they do? Lower lending standards to get that liquidity sloshing around out there, making money. Guess where that will lead us? But now we've got a notional $11.325 trillion dollar debt to service. Anyone care to take a stab at debt service payments? Try 4-5% of our GDP.

My point is this: we are screwed no matter what With an $11+ trillion debt and another $40-$50 trillion of unfunded obligations, this country is running on borrowed time. Our credit is going to be downgraded so like the Rent-a-Center welfare set, we'll be paying 10% interest on our debt . . . if they buy our negative return treasuries at all. God help us.

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has anyone noticed
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 24, 2008 9:27 AM   
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that some of the Repub legislators are actually on our side on this? Dick Cheney got shouted down at a meeting of House Repubs yesterday. Whatever comes out of this in the days or weeks to come, Bushco. is NOT going to get everything they want; they might not get anything they want.

call your congersspersons - it's WORKING. No let-up!

jdfu!

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» RE: has anyone noticed Posted by: VZEQICVA
Bushco.
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 24, 2008 9:28 AM   
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has been drawing up the plans for this "request/demand" for months now. They knew this shit was coming.

jdfu!

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NO BAILOUT FOR WALL STREET!!!!!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 24, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Ask yourself this.... If I lost all my money on bad investments and such, will Uncle Sam bail me out?
If your answer is 'NO' then that's how we should handle Wall Street. For far too long now we,the People, have been made to suffer under failed financial policies,using our tax money to prop up some jerks that will just blow it anyway. If you don't give money to hmoeless alchoholics,crackheads and junkies then why the hell should we give it Wall St. Junkies high on money?
Don't let the media hype fool you,the rich are not hurting behind this 'market correction'. Truth is stocks have been greatly over-valued for 20 years so a dip of this type is long over do. For the country to be hurting like they're trying to make it seem,the market would have to lose half it's value or in plain terms $5000 in a day's trading. Even then it would'nt matter to most Americans because we live on 50K a year or less and we know how to get by on not much in the bank. Mr. Golden Underpants however would probably jump out a window.
No we should not save Wall Street. They should be made to suffer the fruits of bad money handleing and take the fall. That would pave the way for more honest financial people. But then again, HONESTY is just what this system is very short on.

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One Question
Posted by: FSadley on Sep 24, 2008 9:58 AM   
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Would these banks loan this amount of money to ANYBODY at these terms?

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A lousy system
Posted by: Zeugitai on Sep 24, 2008 10:56 AM   
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Wall Street is a lousy system not worth saving. CEOs practically drive companies into oblivion and take hundreds of millions of dollars for themselves; and the American pisants who actually do some productive work and are the real economy are yoked like oxen to pay off the debts of those companies? This is a system worth saving? This so-called system can't sustain itself. It is evil in every dimension: workers and resources are utterly exploited to enrich the managers and once their pure and extreme selfish greed has driven the thing into the ground those same fools who did all the work for low pay, the mindless workers, become responsible for the aftermath. American democracy isn't what it purports to be. It is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the minds of any people since the dawn of time.

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What Doesn't Kill Us Only Makes Us Stronger
Posted by: pdxjoe on Sep 24, 2008 1:42 PM   
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As much as I would hate to see the immediate suffering caused by another depression, and I know there are some readers here who can remember that time (I heard much about it from my grand-parents), it is the only thing the financial markets have against the American people and its government. However, compared to the financial markets, it did not take us half a century or more to get our shit together. It took us about 10-15 years, and that was with no prior experience with an economic meltdown of the proportions or pervasiveness of the Crash and ensuing Depression. We have a back-up plan and the Capitalists do not. The Capitalists have a single-shot blackmail against America; The People and its government have history on their side.

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» The War Will Save Us Posted by: pdxjoe
Paying the fox to count the chickens?
Posted by: ibemee on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 PM   
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FEARTALK IS THE BUSH LANGUAGE. Thay believe We, The People are so stupid all they have to do is shake a dire threat in our faces and we'll crumble.
Now... they're threatening us that if we don't pour a trillion bucks into their bottomless bucket we'll be in a recession...

In the first place, those wall st corporate cronies of Bushco don't know what WE PEOPLE know: that we ARE in a recession, and HAVE BEEN for quite awhile! DUH!

God forbid the BigShots may have to discover what it's like down here on the bottom of the pile... where we grope from paycheck to paycheck, and so many of us don't even HAVE a paycheck anymore. It isn't all due to the mortgage mess --- it began with Bush's invasion of Iraq which has drained all the money out of America.
...wouldn't it be nice if WE could just print up more money when we run out, or tell the US Treasury to cut US a check for a few thousand whenever WE spend more than we've got?

I say let it roll - WE can certainly survive it better than the FatCats who are accustomed to their luxury yachts, multiple condos, superior health care, etc etc etc.... Maybe another Great Depression is the only EQUALIZER left to America.

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NO CASH FOR WORTHLESS PAPER!
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 24, 2008 3:09 PM   
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1. There is no need for the federal government to buy any derivatives paper - this paper is absolutely worthless and should not be purchased by the government! If Congress is convinced that a cash injection is needed, there are at least three better alternatives: provide credit through an existing bank that was not involved in this derivatives fraud/casino OR buy a bank outright and issue new credit through this bank OR create a new federal bank for this purpose. Let the investment banks and insurance companies that did gamble with derivatives fail as they should. There is no reason to support these socially harmful operators. Also, this credit injection need not be the full $700 billion, but should be injected only as needed.

2. Regarding homeowners facing mortgage default, these owners got in over their head by choice. If they believe that a lender defrauded them, they should initiate a law suit against the bank that they believe defrauded them. The public should not assume any responsibility for these mortgages.

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$163,987,000
Posted by: MisterWu on Sep 24, 2008 3:46 PM   
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Just a reminder of what Henry Paulson took home in a single year as the CEO of Goldman Sachs in 2006 before joing Team Bush. He had almost two years to plan this October Surprize..now back to the fleecing of America...

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Who is Henry Paulson?
Posted by: Democritus on Sep 24, 2008 4:11 PM   
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So now comes Henry Paulson,Treasury Secretary, hat in hand for at least $700 billion to bail out the miscreants of the universe. But Paulson is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, a firm up to its ears in this financial debacle of greed on steroids. So we know where his allegiance lies.

Come January 20, Paulson will slink back to his old firm, having tried his best to get them and their fellow bankers off the hook. In a just world, Paulson would be taken out behind the barn and shot. But since he's living in our world, the best we can hope for is that he suffers a miserable life.

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...hear what BUSh said on the TV Tonight? He threatened US.
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 24, 2008 9:01 PM   
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As a spokesman for instilling faith in the plans and decissions by anyone or himself, Bush is the worst one to address the nation.

I mean I'd rather listen to Cheney, because everyone know he's pure evil. The too if Rove was hired as an out side contractor to write Bush's BS it all stands to reason.

(Hey, Isn't congress suppose to have cheney indicted ? WHat happen to that? It seems this whole debacle is another redirection of attention tactic to get the congress to take their eye off the criminals balls. Doesn't it?
It's like everytime the hammer is about to come down on these bastards they ignite another distraction tactic.
JUST IMPEACH THE BASTARDS AND STOP LISTENING TO THEIR SHIT.
We can run the country without them)


The truth is we have been lead to believe the life of opulance the nation has been living the last 30+ years was a normal and continues expection. Yet it was and is a distorted fantasy. Nice ride. But Pelosi did say , "The Party is over". I wonder if she realizes how profound a thing she said. I think she was pointing at the Corporate/ WallStreet/ Banking and Realestate opportunists.

But I real think the party of expectating the
economy to be based on continues using debt as the dominating MO of the US system has been a lie that has had light shed on it. And now we must all realize you've all been spending your kids college fund, and future for that fact.

So now. Start asking yourselves, How do you want your children to accumulate wealth? That's because it isn't going to happen the way we've all been lead to believe it was suppose to. Especially now that the nation, over all, is in debt well over 10 trillion dollars.
That's 10 million, million.
That's a 1 with 13 zeros behind it. Don't forget someone owes that already without the interest. (Let's see. What the interest rate on 10 Trillion, compounded ...what daily, weeekly, monthly, annually?)

All of congress says they aren't that versed in economics.
Let me tell you, Bernake and Paulson are rethoric scammers.
If they knew what they were talking about they wouldn't be saying that we/they are "working out the complex particulars. NO ONE CAN FATHOM THE COMPLEXITIES. It will take years of rearranging the economic pyramid scam so we "believe " they are fixing it. That is but for their benefit not ours!

What is happening is they want the plan to be their way and to hell with anyone elses approach. AND don't believe that "they" really give a shit about the people. The people of the planet have been brainwashed and given their lifes blood working as blind trusters in the plans of pirates. Now the ship may be patched up. But the pirates are still fighting of the mutantiers.

This is our moment to take back the ship or forever live in economic slavery.

Not allowing the bail out might be painful. But at least the hells fire will have been put out and we can start anew. That is working hopfully with a true sense of reality.

(Man, am I dreaming..it ain't going to happen)

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Bail Out = Bull S**t
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 PM   
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Let's face the facts, the banks in trouble are INVESTMENT BANKS not your local Savings Bank. The Investment guys blew up their companies and deserve to fail/go out of business. Let's take the $700 Billion and invest in jobs; highway construction, replacing worn out bridges, building up rapid transit, investing in alternative energy, invest in new middle-class JOBS. Those wages will rebuild the economy better than more of this "trickle down crap" where all we get is wet. Anything but giving $700 billion to the morons of Wall Street. 20 years ago we had a banking crisis, this is an investment crisis and I see no benefit in buying Wall Street's bad paper. So No Billions for You, Wall Street!

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Clinton repealed law separating banks and financial houses
Posted by: racetoinfinity on Sep 25, 2008 2:09 AM   
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There was also the repealing during the Clinton admin. of an act/law (forgot the name) passed during The New Deal which put a wall between banks and financial houses, that has been cited as one of the prime causes of this mess. This was no doubt also pushed by Gramm and Rubin. Depressing fact - Rubin is one of Obama's primary economic advisers.

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US Citizen O7
Posted by: US Citizen 07 on Sep 25, 2008 2:14 AM   
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I received this, this morning from Ron Paul. And a note to all that really care about America, he IS one of the "few" fighting for "the people".

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Dear Friends,

The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."

That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.

The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

• The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

• Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

• Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.

There goes your country.

Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.

Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

In liberty,

Ron Paul

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CASH FOR EQUITY, NOT FOR WORTHLESS PAPER!
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
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The US Congress is currently under pressure to quickly pass Paulson’s $700 billion bail-out proposal. Paulson's initial proposal will give the Bush administration incredible power to privatize profits while socializing the losses!

If any company is given federal assistance, the US government should receive equity in the company otherwise any massive cash infusion will merely reward those banks that got deepest in debt. Buying their worthless paper makes no sense. There is no clear method to evaluate the paper to be 'bought' and worst of all, no regulations to address the real cause or to investigate possible criminal activity. Buying this worthless paper without enforcing new regulations will merely encourage continued derivatives trading and increase the total debt. If this occurs, does anyone believe that $700 billion will be enough? I expect total bail-out costs could run into the tens of trillions if foreign banks are included.

On the other hand, government ownership will ensure that future profits (if any) are returned to the people and that new regulations to manage derivatives trading - assuming Congress writes them - are followed. If and when these banks become profitable and socially responsible, they can be sold back to private investors.

I do not trust Treasury Secretary Paulson and the Bush administration to administer this huge 'bail-out/buy-out'. As with the war in Iraq, I fear that most of this money will go to political allies and cronies.

A separate bi-partisan committee/agency should be created to assess other alternatives. If it is agreed to buy these failing banks at their current market value, the guidelines and restrictions must be transparent to all. All purchase offers should be subject to review and approval by Congress.

I believe it is highly likely that conspiracy to defraud and outright fraud has occurred before and may occur during this 'rescue' plan. An independent agency should be assigned to investigate fraud/conspiracy and these investigations should begin immediately.

The current approach uses "fear of imminent financial collapse and appeals to the need for public sacrifice" combined with a rush to push a "clean" bill through a Congress distracted by “how to protect the interests of homeowners facing foreclosure”, without allowing adequate time for assessment. This reminds me of the method that President Bush used to pass the bill to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

There is no need to reward investment banks for their reckless behavior. Here are two recommendations for your consideration.

1. There is no need to buy any derivatives paper - this paper is absolutely worthless and should not be purchased by the government! If Congress is convinced that a cash injection is needed (and I am not convinced), there are at least three better alternatives: provide credit through an existing bank that was not involved in this derivatives fraud/casino OR buy an existing bank outright and issue new credit through this bank OR create a new federal bank for this purpose. A new bi-partisan committee should be created to assess the need and to administer this activity. Let the investment banks and insurance companies that did gamble with derivatives fail as they should. There is no reason to bail out these irresponsible and socially harmful operators. This credit injection need not be the full $700 billion, but should be injected in small pieces to legitimate borrowers and only if absolutely needed.

2. Regarding homeowners facing mortgage default, these owners got in over their head by choice. They and their lenders chose to speculate in the housing market. If they believe that a lender defrauded them, they should initiate a law suit against the bank that gave them their mortgage. The federal government should not assume any responsibility for these mortgages.

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"Deja Vu All Over Again"..Come On people!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 25, 2008 6:34 AM   
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A rush to Pre-emptive attacks against Iraq began the Same Way.
McCain was the One who Intentionally LIED to US about Where the Anthrax Strain originated From! He already Knew it was OURS!
Now Paulson KNEW 6 Months ago These Bankers Were heading down the Drain- Even spent 5 minutes to write up a 'Ransom' note he finally used to Threaten US and Congress to comply with Immediately Just the other day!
It is one of Two Explanatons for Paulson & Bernekes Actions and Inactions....they knew it was coming and did nothing to stop it (Like Bush and 9/11) Or It has taken them this long to MAKE IT HAPPEN. Could Davis' firm have actually been WORKING to bring down Freddie so we'd have some 'catastrophe' for McCain to stage is "Knight in shining Armour ' Act. Lest we forget WHO HAS WORKED HIS ENTIRE CAREER PUSHING 'SHIT ROLLS DOWN HILL' AND 'IT'S A FREE FOR ALL AT THE CASINO' Economics.Phil Gramm's shit eating Smile standing behind Mac at nearly every rally (until of course his Wet nurse Showed up) Lest we forget WHO was Responsible for the last monumental Banking Bailout- 300 Billion after Keating 5!
If it Looks like a Duck,Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck , It's a Fucking DUCK!
MCCain and his accomplices should not be on stage facing audiences- they should be facing Sentencing for High Crimes!
Who still thinks this Economic disaster Was not a result of Insiders and Election Riggers?
Here's the perfect example of How Mac has used "Projection"- He claims Obama has ties to Freddie Mac- at best tangential.the very next week It is Revealed His Campaign maanger is either still working as a paid Lobbist for Freddie Mac or is Embezzling From them- being paid for No Service- sounds like Fraud to me. So Pick, Mac's Puppetmasters, which is it? Your Candidate is guilty of taking Bribes, or is an accomplice of Fraud & embezzlement from a Corp which holds Thousands of AMERICANS Home Mortgages AGAIN, Resulting in it's need to be bailed out,AGAIN? Both are Criminal!
Gen.Benedict Arnold was our Nations First Traitor in High Ranking, Will McCain be the next in the Line as One of the most agregious Traitors.

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Wall Streets wants a loan? Give us a mortgage!
Posted by: singer222 on Sep 25, 2008 2:20 PM   
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700 Billion isn't sitting in Fort Knox. The US will be borrowing this money from foreign sources, including the Saudis or China. We are paying interest on existing loans and will on these new loans too.
The cost of these loans must be passed on to the Wall Street characters who incurred this huge debt by their market manipulations and profiteering. Why the hell are we giving interest-free money to the very people who charge us interest on the loans we obtain from THEM? Who can run a business like that? Do they think we're stupid?
Alternatively, we should be owners of these companies. After all, if we are good enough to give them money, we are good enough to have their companies as security for those loans; just like the mortgage I pay every month - at 8%.

Each Senator and U.S. Representative has a fiduciary duty to preserve my money, and to be responsible to me, as a constituent. I, and most citizens in this district elected each. This decision will create a debt for my children, and my new grandchild. It will affect our whole country. A 700 billion dollar decision will affect a generation or two. This is no decision to be made under the impetus of a manufactured deadline. How do we know this is a financial crisis? Because Bush says so? I wouldn't believe Bush if he told me staring at the sun would be bad for my eyes.

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Who are these guys?
Posted by: Paisano1 on Sep 30, 2008 8:23 PM   
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The DTCC controls tens of trillions of dollars in assets, but have you ever heard of them?

http://yourmortgageoryourlife.com

99% of all securities list their subsidiary CEDE as the owner - you are just the beneficiary!

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